The Horizon goes 6-0 tonight, with some nice wins. In addition to the our 31 point victory over GSU:
Cleveland St. wins by 43 over Grambling.
Detroit beat N. Michigan by 35.
Loyola beats Toledo by 12. LU was a 4 point favorite.
Wright St., a 10 point underdog at Idaho, wins by 10.
Milwaukee beats University of Mary, a D-II school by 30.
Special tribute to Milwaukee
The Wind Cries Mary - the Jimi Hendrix Experience (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Diw3gu104#)
make that 8-0 as YSU took down George Washington and GB beat Chicago State. Very nice start for the HL.
You might want to check that YSU score, 72. A HL team couldn't possibly beat an A-10 team on the road.
Nice start to the season. Hopefully all schools keep it up!
Great Start:
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html)
:thumbsup:
Quote from: motowntitan on November 11, 2012, 09:23:14 AM
Great Start:
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html)
:thumbsup:
better take a pic and frame that, b/c it doesn't happen very often, even at the start of the season.
Sunday games:
South Carolina 82, Milwaukee 75 (OT)
UIC 59, UC Riverside 52
This makes the HL 9-1 (7-1 vs. D-1) after the first week. I'm guessing this is better than any start in the 6 years we've been a part of the league.
We are 4th in conf. RPI:
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/conferencerpi (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/conferencerpi)
Youngstown State up 25-14 at the half at Georgia. Airing on ESPNU.
CSU beat Bowling Green in OT. YSU up 14 now, with 8 plus to go!
YSU wins by 12 at Georgia, in front of MAYBE 500. Hope Nebraska gets a similar turnout Thursday! BTW, YSU is a load. Very thin but athletic and can really shoot it.
The A10 and the SEC! Quite a start for YSU! Even if Georgia had a losing record last year, etc.
Don't you love box score attendance? 4,275 in Athens.
Even though Georgia is not good at basketball, always good to beat an SEC team.
The bad...
Michigan 42 Cleveland State 14 - Half
Detroit squeaked out a loss vs. St. John's. Ugh, so close!
Those are the games the HL needs to win in order to garner some national respect now that Butler left. The mid major wins are nice, but BCS wins are critical in the grand scheme of things.
Quote from: milanmiracle on November 13, 2012, 08:26:14 PM
The bad...
Michigan 42 Cleveland State 14 - Half
Detroit squeaked out a loss vs. St. John's. Ugh, so close!
Those are the games the HL needs to win in order to garner some national respect now that Butler left. The mid major wins are nice, but BCS wins are critical in the grand scheme of things.
Detroit and Milwaukee (or a Valpo loss to Nebraska) is bad for the league. It could be the difference between a Horizon League team playing a 2-seed Kentucky or playing a more reasonable 5-seed mid Big Ten team.
I don't quite get St. John's beating Detroit. I mean St. John's played really well two years ago, prior to Lavin's cancer diagnosis, then under the assistant coach they would struggle running the same system. How are most of these same players able to adjust under Steve Lavin to beat Detroit?
We obviously know Detroit's strengths are McCallum's game and when he gets the ball to a Doug Anderson or Nick Minnerath for a dunk. Does Ray Sr. not know how to keep his kid in check to get the proper adjustments from guys like Anderson and Minnerath, or does he just give up and let his kid run the show, leading to losses that should have been a win yesterday over St. John's?
Does anyone keep track of shooting percentage on 2nd chance opportunities? Detroit appeared to miss a lot of gimmies & put backs (even a couple dunks) when St. John's made its second half come back
Quote from: valporun on November 14, 2012, 12:28:00 PMWe obviously know Detroit's strengths are McCallum's game and when he gets the ball to a Doug Anderson or Nick Minnerath for a dunk. Does Ray Sr. not know how to keep his kid in check to get the proper adjustments from guys like Anderson and Minnerath, or does he just give up and let his kid run the show, leading to losses that should have been a win yesterday over St. John's?
As I said on the Recognition for Rowdy thread... Detroit looked like... uhm... Detroit, athletic, erratic and unable to run half court sets when they needed to be disciplined. In free wheeling fast full court games they excel but when it comes down to the last five minutes of a fairly tight game they often come up empty like today.
And the 7 a.m. Nov. 13 vs NIU thread... I understand the need to run clock when you have the lead in the closing minutes of the game, but repeatedly compressing a one dimensional offense ( Ray Jr ) into a 7 or 8 second window and watching it fail possession after possession is crazy.
Either he is letting the kid run the show or the kid just flat out doesn't listen to coaching, one or the other. I think that sums it up.
The conference is now 17-6 with no "bad" losses, our loss to Nebraska notwithstanding. Loyola lost to Western Michigan, not sure how that was suppose to come out. Saw that UIC lost to New Mexico by 7.
A couple of nice wins tonight as Milwaukee beats Davidson and Detroit beats Drake. Loyola loses to So. Florida. On balance, the conference should continue to gain in status. Milwaukee looked pretty good in a very tough environment as the Kolache (sp?) was packed and lots of students in their band box.
Quote from: vu72 on November 17, 2012, 09:27:06 PM
A couple of nice wins tonight as Milwaukee beats Davidson and Detroit beats Drake. Loyola loses to So. Florida. On balance, the conference should continue to gain in status. Milwaukee looked pretty good in a very tough environment as the Kolache (sp?) was packed and lots of students in their band box.
Klotsche
Quote from: vu72 on November 17, 2012, 09:27:06 PM
A couple of nice wins tonight as Milwaukee beats Davidson and Detroit beats Drake. Loyola loses to So. Florida. On balance, the conference should continue to gain in status. Milwaukee looked pretty good in a very tough environment as the Kolache (sp?) was packed and lots of students in their band box.
Davidson was the overwhelming pre-season favorite to win the SoCon's South Division. They return all 5 starters from last year's NCAA Tournament team.
Quote from: vu72 on November 17, 2012, 09:27:06 PMMilwaukee looked pretty good in a very tough environment as the Kolache (sp?) was packed and lots of students in their band box.
Would you say Milwaukee is going to suffer this year from all the fans pouring into a tight space and getting stuck?
I've heard they call that malady Flood Klotsche.
HEYO
Quote from: vu72 on November 17, 2012, 09:27:06 PMMilwaukee looked pretty good in a very tough environment as the Kolache (sp?) was packed and lots of students in their band box.
But more importantly was the Klotsche band packed into their Klotsche band box?
What's a band box without a band?
Only a box!
Quote from: vu72 on November 17, 2012, 09:27:06 PMMilwaukee looked pretty good in a very tough environment as the Kolache (sp?) was packed
I think I finally figured out the code. Since the Kolache was packed it was very sweet. There must have been an unusual crowd of Czech and Slovak mothers at the game (also some extra, shall we say, large people). Even a basketball alumnus by the name of Ayres was in attendance. This all lead to the band box not having room for the band.
Kolache /kɵˈlɑːtʃi/ (also spelled kolace, kolach, or kolacky, from the Czech and Slovak plural koláče, sg. koláč) is a type of pastry that holds a dollop of fruit rimmed by a puffy pillow of supple dough.[1] Originating as a semisweet wedding dessert from Central Europe, they have become popular in parts of the United States. The word kolache (колаче) itself means 'a small cookie' in Macedonian.I think the real problem here is that J.Martin Klotsche should have simply changed his name.
J. Martin Klotsche (November 28, 1907-4 February 1995), was an American professor of history and the first chancellor of the University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee. A native of Scribner, Nebraska, Johannes Martin Klotsche ("Joe") was a high school graduate at age 13 and a college graduate at 17; Definition of BANDBOX
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: a usually cylindrical box of cardboard or thin wood for holding light articles of attireSo in conclusion when one talks about the Klotsche bandbox they are really talking about where "Joe" kept his light articles of attire.
Oh, my!
bbtds, you've got too much time on your hand! ;)
Quote from: vu72 on November 17, 2012, 08:48:44 AM
The conference is now 17-6 with no "bad" losses, our loss to Nebraska notwithstanding. Loyola lost to Western Michigan, not sure how that was suppose to come out. Saw that UIC lost to New Mexico by 7.
And after a rough few days, the Horizon is now 21-16 (DI games only) and has fallen to #22 in conference RPI. http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html)
More concerning is the #31 SOS ranking. Valpo is clearly leading the way in RPI and SOS ( http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_horiz_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_horiz_Men.html) ), but they need the rest of the league to step and win some games. Valpo has done their part putting together a great non-conference schedule, but unless something changes in the next month, will take an RPI hit during the Horizon schedule.
Detroit at 276 and GB at 325 are killing us right now.
As soon as Detroit plays a few more games, and hopefully comes away with some wins, their ranking should rebound some playing against Miami and Pittsburgh.
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 23, 2012, 02:18:35 PMValpo is clearly leading the way in RPI and SOS ( http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_horiz_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_horiz_Men.html) ), but they need the rest of the league to step and win some games.
These things still seem really volatile at this point in the season. UIC's climbed ahead of us in RPI and our strengths of schedule is... 4th. I guess home games against low RPI teams will do that for you. It is interesting that 7 of 9 teams have sub-500 SOS. I guess the league's scheduling winnable games... and then not necessarily winning them?
ESPN the magazine had some pre-season rankings that seemed like a nice rough guess. That magazine likely not very expert on the low and mid-majors but the top 100 seemed on track.
I didn't write down all the ranks, but here are the notables:
SLU at #25, New Mexico #26, Murray St. #50.
Horizon had roughly these rankings:
Detroit in the 80s, Valpo at #106, Green Bay in the #110s, Cleveland in the #140s, Milwaukee in the #170s and then a big drop into the 200s for the others.
Kent and Nebraska were mid-pack in the 150s and 170s. with Nebraska higher. Kent beat them by a lot though and I think in Lincoln.
Alphabeters from Indiana were in the low 200s so we can't afford a loss to either one.
Wow. Now Detroit's lost to Bowling Green. 70-65. Bowling Green's first D1 win, after losses to e.g. IUPUI and Cleveland State. Bowling Green's RPI (336) is still a hair lower than Detroit's (307).
The Horizon League's conference RPI is really not going to be pretty this year, is it?
Terrible loss to a terrible team. Jr. scored 25 but took a 3rd of their shots and had only 1 assist. The whole team only had 9 assists for the game.
Geez, thanks Detroit! At least our Nebraska loss will be against a mid-range RPI team since they play in the Big 10. What happened to them? They must really be missing Lowe and Holman as I thought they might. Ray sucks as well, the piece of crap :)