Basketball is on everyone's mind, but there is still one more football game remaining. Valpo travels to Kain tuc kee to take on an Eagles team that can put points on the board.
In a 44-28 loss, WR Donte Sawyer pulled in a career-best 13 receptions for 152 yards on Saturday against PFL foe San Diego. Senior quarterback Zach Lewis, who owns MSU career passing records for completions (924), attempts (1,485), yards (10,044) and touchdowns (69), eclipsed 10,000 yards for his career with 316 yards vs. San Diego. Morehead rushed for only 92 yards on 26 attempts (3.2 yd per rush).
Score at the half was 14-17 USD. It was 21-31 after 3 quarters.
In other games of interest they've scored 55 against Southern Virginia (W), barely lost to Drake 25-28 and Butler 35-39 and scored 119 points against Campbell (W) and Davidson (W) in the two weekends prior to USD.
This could get :censored: ugly.
Morehead St. 56
Valpo 22
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 12, 2012, 06:49:42 PMValpo travels to Kain tuc kee
Is this a reference to Daniel Day-Lewis in Last of the Mohicans?
Morehead St. 49
Valpo 14
Quote from: FWalum on November 13, 2012, 12:07:40 AMIs this a reference to Daniel Day-Lewis in Last of the Mohicans?
DALE CARLSON! STAY ALIVE! I WILL FIND YOU!
Quote from: FWalum on November 13, 2012, 12:07:40 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 12, 2012, 06:49:42 PMValpo travels to Kain tuc kee
Is this a reference to Daniel Day-Lewis in Last of the Mohicans?
It certainly might be. Loved that flick.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 13, 2012, 09:05:10 AM
Quote from: FWalum on November 13, 2012, 12:07:40 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 12, 2012, 06:49:42 PMValpo travels to Kain tuc kee
Is this a reference to Daniel Day-Lewis in Last of the Mohicans?
It certainly might be. Loved that flick.
Absolutely one of my all time favorites. :thumbsup:
More appropriate Daniel Day-Lewis reference on this topic would be from There Will be Blood.
Of course if we miss one more PAT this year, they may ask me to use My Left Foot.
chef, at least that LINCOLN wasn't a VAMPIRE SLAYER.
If this were the gangs of New York we would be the Plug Uglies.
Got a lot of Jokers around here.
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you all crack me up. a perfect example of what i love about this board. if only the cardinals forum i'm on was this civil and entertaining.
Quote from: chef on November 13, 2012, 10:58:23 AM
Of course if we miss one more PAT this year, they may ask me to use My Left Foot.
Too funny!!!
Gosh, I hope we keep this one close.
Morehead 38
Valpo 30
Morehead 45 Valpo 13 (missed extra point)
On a positive note...this is the last game of the season! :thumbsup:
Quote from: milanmiracle on November 13, 2012, 09:05:10 PMOn a positive note...this is the last game of the season! :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: ;)
I just can't watch this anymore already. Our coverage is always 3 steps behind their receivers, and our offensive play call is again pitiful. This pistol stuff does not work for our offense, yet we keep it up. Continually running from 5-6 yds behind the line of scrimmage is just a stupid tactic unless you have RBs that are shifty and can make people miss.
Shutting it off...ridiculous and embarrassing. Missed chip shot FG and then a 90 yd rush for a TD on the next play. Sums up our team under Carlson, please do something to change
With 10:59 LEFT in Q2 - MSU 34 - Valpo Zip
Comment by MSU announcers: "As good as the VU basketball program is; the FB team is as bad."
I am going to get ready for the showdown in Pasadena. This is embarrassing. We need change. I feel bad for Iclow - I wonder if he needs a bottle of Jack to do a braodcast like this.
Morehead just ran a trick KO return (cross field lateral) after the Valpo score for a TD (now 41-7). MSU announcers were clued in and said that the Morehead staff identified the trend on VU KOs where they kick to one side or another and everyone on kickoff coverage sprinted to the ball instead of taking care of return lanes. So even the announcers knew this was coming. One might say that that at this point in the game it was piling on, but it was the FIRST KO that MHS received all first half.
Not making excuses, but watching this on the OVC stream it showed that this should have been called a forward pass and that the official was out of position to make the call. When it goes bad it just keeps on going.
If MLB, President Heckler and the Board of Directors think that Coach Carlson has improved this program over the past three years, I question their sanity. Today has been humiliating and it is only the first half! I encourage all current players to look at transferring and encourage their parents to help their son's find a school where they can feel a part of something to be proud of. This program has struggled for years, but under Carlson, the PFL performance has been atrocious. His recruits fell hook, line and sinker for his BS. He "fired" players (word that he used freely during recruiting events with parents and prospects) that had committed to playing FB at Valpo under Coach Adams. Those "fired" players didn't fit in to his grand plan. Nice to be so arrogant, but you have to be able to deliver the goods! Well, I wonder how hard those guys are laughing now. They are most likely thankful they don't have to face the ridicule that these guys face on a daily basis.
Whether or not you feel this program only exists to guarantee 100 males each year for enrollment, you have to agree that this is inexcusable and a complete joke. PLEASE FIRE DALE CARLSON AND HIS ENTIRE STAFF. They do not deserve another year or two. If you choose to keep them here, the exodus will be huge. I cannot believe that you would invest any more in this guy!!! Seriously, just ask and I'm sure that you will find many donors to any buyout.
I have been blaming the coaches for this mess, but now I'll blame the coaches for recruiting kids that just aren't very good. Notwithstanding the opinion of a few probable parents who come on here, just look at the facts: dropped passes, penalties, bad throws, missed coverage, blah, blah, blah.
So we have inept coaching ill suited for our players talents ( ???) and players who miss extra points, fail to get on the field for field goal attempts, an experienced quarterback who misses open receivers, receivers who drop passes, linemen who get silly penalties and, lets see...that's about it. Thanks goodness its almost over, bring on basketball, PLEASE.
Quote from: valpotx on November 17, 2012, 12:21:28 PMContinually running from 5-6 yds behind the line of scrimmage is just a stupid tactic unless you have RBs that are shifty and can make people miss.
We
do have players that are ... oh right. Shifty, with an "f".
Great 2nd half start! RAISE THE WHITE FLAG! MLB, please do the right thing!
I agree with vu72. Much of the blame this season does need to be placed on the shoulders, heads, and legs of the players. Instead of them fighting to show any progress or improvement, they just keep making the same mistakes, and running/protecting the same way they always did, half-assed!! Yes, Coach Carlson is to blame for not benching many of these guys, but when he insists on recruiting freshmen, instead of talking with some transfers that can make a difference. He relied on the same crap all season, and the same crappy players didn't do anything drive for improvement either. I can't put all the blame on Coach Carlson and the rest of his staff. The players do need to wear some of the blame too. You win as a team, and lose as a team, and in the case of Valpo football, you are supposed to learn from losses, not keep adding them up by getting worse and worse by the game.
Agree that the players should shoulder some of the responsibility, but bottom line is that these coaches have not been able to get them to respond. Why?
Ok, I was checking the score. How did we give up two TDs in less than 1:30 in the second half?
This is an embarrassment. I hope ml is preparing some kind of statement for later this week.
Morehead State 62 Valpo 17...at the end of the THIRD QUARTER!
This is a debacle, and at the end of the third year against another non scholarship team this just shouldn't happen. Hard to believe this program is in worse shape than 3 years ago, but it's true. Yikes.
One possession was a TD pass, the other was a fumble recovery by their defense.
Quote from: 90 on November 17, 2012, 02:08:56 PM
Agree that the players should shoulder some of the responsibility, but bottom line is that these coaches have not been able to get them to respond. Why?
Are we sure that some of the reason these players aren't responding is because they gave up caring because they knew who going to play all the time, and so they didn't care to improve when they received the knowledge that they were entitled to their starting spot because Coach Carlson like these particular players, and left the rest aside to watch?
It really doesn't matter if they intentionally quit responding. Whatever the reason, this isn't working and keeping this staff will not yield a miraculous improvement in the next year or two. Can only imagine who they will be able to recruit this year. We will be back to square one with the roster. Next year may be worse if there is no coaching change. Maybe Carlson will man up and resign?
Morehead State 76 Valpo 24. Only lost by 52...still better than the Jacksonville game a few years ago.
The sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. :crazy:
Listening to post-game. "Unfortunately we just didn't get it done today." Really, Coach Carlson. "Have to deal with adversity." "Just tried to do too much." "Another year in the weight room." "Another spring practice." "Another off season to get the system in place." Shouldn't be saying these things in year three! HAPPY TRAILS!
OK, how in the world do you say that you keep this guy? 2-31. Morehead St is not that good.
Change it now before it's too late.
I'm gonna throw this out there. Keep it if you like, spit it back if you don't...
For all that happened this season, we could have had much better than 1-10 to show for it. If we hold the Pumas' last surge in the opener, and if we get even a single bounce to go our way last week against Davidson, our record could be 3-8 right now. And that's without the impact those games had. A win the opener could easily have made a big early boost to carry into times during the rest of the season, and I'd imagine that a hard-fought W vs. a hard-fought L could have given us a better outlook and enthusiasm for today.
This implies that we are better our records shows. I don't know if that's proof enough, and I won't insist on making a further case either way until today's result settles down a little more. All said and done though, there is no such thing as a good 1-10 team.
We had a chance to win two other games - but did not.
Up until this game, I was willing to give coach Carlson some relief. If he is a "system" coach, well, the system may not be working, especially the defense.
I thought coaching was about recognizing the skills of the players, and designing a plan for success of those talents. Then to coach and develop the skills that need improvement. At least Horne's first three years showed some improvement in overall points for/against. Not convinced this team showed much improvement this year.
Would a made extra point here or there, even with three wins, show improvement?
Sad, really sad. My feeling is that the kids are really trying, just overmatched and under-prepared.
No one likes to lose! I am sure that the players who signed up for this dont! They have all invested time,money, sweat, etc.They have been ridiculed by not only the other teams annoucers (like the boneheads that I had to listen to today), but by fellow students, fans,and even parents at times. Morehead State, not that good! Dayton, small, not that good! Davidson, horrible! Folks, there is talent on this team, but this team needs a strong leader. And,this team also needs to play the best players, not the favorites! Character has been exemplified by the players for coming back every week under prepared, under coached and taking a beating. Our team has "Character"! Our team needs proper coaching and wins will follow. Time for a change or the players will run for the hills! Without a doubt!
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 17, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
Comment by MSU announcers: "As good as the VU basketball program is; the FB team is as bad."
You've got to be kidding me. Speaking from my experience as an announcer, those are the kind of cutesy things you think of saying but never actually do. I'm assuming the reviews for the rest of their calls aren't too positive, but since I didn't listen I'll hold my tongue for now...
Quote from: KL31NY on November 17, 2012, 06:30:13 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 17, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
Comment by MSU announcers: "As good as the VU basketball program is; the FB team is as bad."
You've got to be kidding me. Speaking from my experience as an announcer, those are the kind of cutesy things you think of saying but never actually do. I'm assuming the reviews for the rest of their calls aren't too positive, but since I didn't listen I'll hold my tongue for now...
regardless of etiquette, they're not wrong....
Quote from: FloridaFootball on November 17, 2012, 06:05:17 PM
No one likes to lose! I am sure that the players who signed up for this dont! They have all invested time,money, sweat, etc.They have been ridiculed by not only the other teams annoucers (like the boneheads that I had to listen to today), but by fellow students, fans,and even parents at times. Morehead State, not that good! Dayton, small, not that good! Davidson, horrible! Folks, there is talent on this team, but this team needs a strong leader. And,this team also needs to play the best players, not the favorites! Character has been exemplified by the players for coming back every week under prepared, under coached and taking a beating. Our team has "Character"! Our team needs proper coaching and wins will follow. Time for a change or the players will run for the hills! Without a doubt!
The Morehead announcers said they felt sorry for the Valpo players. Well said FloridaFootball. Players and parents should bombard President Heckler and AD with their concerns. LaBarbara needs to feel the pain of these players. I will have no faith in him as an AD if he keeps a guy who is 2-31 and can't stabilize his staff. Stop drinking the Carlson Kool Aid. Coaches may have left for "better" jobs, but my guess is they had a tough time working in the "system." Doing so much better with new DC aren't we?? What a colossal mess! Do not give his guy another paycheck. Admit this didn't work out and move on.
Quote from: 90 on November 17, 2012, 02:38:41 PM
Whatever the reason, this isn't working and keeping this staff will not yield a miraculous improvement in the next year or two. Can only imagine who they will be able to recruit this year. We will be back to square one with the roster. Next year may be worse if there is no coaching change. Maybe Carlson will man up and resign?
I'm hoping. For the sake of the kids, parents and the university. Two more years of debacle after debacle if he stays? A couple of bright spots each year just make the obvious decision a bit more difficult. Can't base decisions on what-ifs and if-onlys.
Obviously, it all comes out in the wash on Saturday afternoons for the world to see. Parcells said, "we are what our record says we are." That's 2-31. However, the one thing none of us are privy to is what goes on from Sunday to Friday. Lombardi and many other coaches in many different ways have said over and over, "You win it on the practice field." All we can gauge that by is what we are told by the HFC. After year one, I talked to DC and was told the root of the problem in 2010 was no talent and a bad attitude from the previous year. That previous year's year's team, also 1-10, scored more points than Carlson's first year, and gave up fewer points than ANY Carlson team. The 2009 team got blown out only twice -- by USD (7-
48) and Jacksonville (20-
49). Butler won the league at 7-1 and Valpo gave them a game (14-23). Dayton tied with Butler at 7-1 and Valpo lost only 7-38. No opponent scored 50 or more points against Valpo in Adams' last three years. Contrast that to the following blowouts (48 points against or more) in the past three years: 2010 - 50, 50, 86 and 56, 48 and 48; 2011 - 77, 49, 55, 50, and 49; 2012 - 59, 51, 56, and 76. I was very disheartened in 2008 and 2009 not much at the W-L records, but the scoring margins. In retrospect, today I'd welcome losing scores like in 2009: Drake 34-14, Marist 24-0, Morehead 29-6, or even 17-3 to Campbell.
Attached is a final roll-up of the comparison between Stacy Adams' last three years (that got him fired), and the last three years: Click on it to enlarge.
Quote from: 90 on November 17, 2012, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: FloridaFootball on November 17, 2012, 06:05:17 PM
No one likes to lose! I am sure that the players who signed up for this dont! They have all invested time,money, sweat, etc.They have been ridiculed by not only the other teams annoucers (like the boneheads that I had to listen to today), but by fellow students, fans,and even parents at times. Morehead State, not that good! Dayton, small, not that good! Davidson, horrible! Folks, there is talent on this team, but this team needs a strong leader. And,this team also needs to play the best players, not the favorites! Character has been exemplified by the players for coming back every week under prepared, under coached and taking a beating. Our team has "Character"! Our team needs proper coaching and wins will follow. Time for a change or the players will run for the hills! Without a doubt!
The Morehead announcers said they felt sorry for the Valpo players. Well said FloridaFootball. Players and parents should bombard President Heckler and AD with their concerns. LaBarbara needs to feel the pain of these players. I will have no faith in him as an AD if he keeps a guy who is 2-31 and can't stabilize his staff. Stop drinking the Carlson Kool Aid. Coaches may have left for "better" jobs, but my guess is they had a tough time working in the "system." Doing so much better with new DC aren't we?? What a colossal mess! Do not give his guy another paycheck. Admit this didn't work out and move on.
FloridaFB -- Spoken by someone who might know a little bit more of what happens between Sunday and Friday?
It's also worth noting the scores among us bottom feeders this past Saturday:
Davidson - LOST to USD (who has a chance to tie for the PFL championship) by only 17-10
Valparaiso - LOST to Morehead 76-24 (Campbell only gave up 70 to MSU and scored 28)
Campbell - LOST to Marist 28 -7 (VU lost 44-7)
I would be surprised if Carlson is around by Dec 1. I do not think LaBarbera will let this embarrassment prolong. Students forking out $40K to play football deserve better.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 17, 2012, 07:24:03 PMAttached is a final roll-up of the comparison between Stacy Adams' last three years that got him fired, and the last three years: Click on it to enlarge.
You know, 62, I've become quite attached to your attachments. Pray tell, how does one make an attachment?
Could you explain?
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At least the score differential keeps improving. By 2015 maybe loss avg. is under 20?
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 18, 2012, 09:01:30 AM
At least the score differential keeps improving. By 2015 maybe loss avg. is under 20?
One could only hope. But it still boggles the mind that in the last three years, opponents have score
1,028 points more than Valpo has scored. :o
Wow, a differential of 31 points per game over 3 years! What improvement!
But the good news is that we have moved from #246 to #245 in the Sagarin ratings in three years. We did not get the 3 peat of futility!
if Carlson can't do it,no body can! So, drop football!!!! :thumbsup:
The Adams 3 seasons vs. Carlson's 3 seasons speaks for itself.
Nothing more to say.
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 18, 2012, 03:52:52 PM
The Adams 3 seasons vs. Carlson's 3 seasons speaks for itself.
Nothing more to say.
under adams we got worse. under carlson, we simply haven't improved.
Carlson is in over his head. Last 2 weeks trick plays have been used successfully. Why don't we ever try them? Anything is better than his "20 Bubble Screens " per game. Give these players a chance. How about hiring someone young? This fossil can't adjust, can't adapt, can't improvise and most importantly CAN NOT LEAD!!!!
I'm watching a very interesting piece on college football, on 60 minutes, at this very minute.
They interviewed the Michigan AD and Towson University's AD. Towson played at LSU and we're billed at the "sacrificial lamb" but only lost 38-25 or some such number. In the process they earned a $500,000 pay day.
The Michigan AD did say he worried about the kids and all the pressure, but probably not too much as football is such an enormous money maker for them!
Here's what I found particularly interesting: His development people have found that alumni giving is highest in the fall, in conjunction with football season, and that other school's see the same result. He then said that that is why school's who have dropped football are bringing it back!
I fully understand that he is talking about BIG time football, but I wonder how those statistics play out at Valpo. Clearly, getting our collective a--es kicked week in and week out, can't possibly help donations, unless it is sympathy for the program. In fact I gave a small donation to the football program after receiving a letter asking for same from the Asst head coach, after the first couple of games. Thinking back on that letter, it said in part that other schools were starting to notice our recruiting successes and this was in part due to gifts made to the football program. So if the recruiting is going so well at some point the coaches have to admit total ineptitude and hopefully that will be soon.
Laura, do you want someone young? How about Lane Kiffin, he is doing a wonderful job at USC ;)
Also, please note there are some pretty smart fossils out there.
I'm a fossil myself ....I'm just so frustrated at the terrible three year span the school and the players have gone through. All the cliches, all the blaming the players by Carlson, All the excuses. This is still a college experience for these players and to just say lets try for another 2 years because thats the contract. Unacceptable! This hurts Everyone. It has to stop.
Quote from: laura on November 18, 2012, 10:37:46 PMI'm a fossil myself ....I'm just so frustrated at the terrible three year span the school and the players have gone through. All the cliches, all the blaming the players by Carlson, All the excuses. This is still a college experience for these players and to just say lets try for another 2 years because thats the contract. Unacceptable! This hurts Everyone. It has to stop.
As a fellow fossil, I totally agree with you. There may be some bad eggs out there, but these kids have perservered through a lot of crap. The bleeding must stop and does next provide quality to Valpo. The papers say he is a decent coach, but again it may be a square peg in a round hole.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 18, 2012, 04:56:39 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 18, 2012, 03:52:52 PM
The Adams 3 seasons vs. Carlson's 3 seasons speaks for itself.
Nothing more to say.
under adams we got worse. under carlson, we simply haven't improved.
Disagree. Under Adams we got worse; under Carlson we definitely got worser (if that's a word). Carlson's heralded "O" has final broken the 200 point barrier; however, in Adam's last three years, 2 out of three seasons equalled or surpassed the 202 points scored in 2012. But it's on the "D" side that we see embarrassing decline since 2009 -- in three seasons since 2009 opponents have scored a whopping 1028 more points than us. While Adam's margins got progressively worse in his last three years, Carlson's PA have gone from 514 allowed, down to 417 allowed, and back up to 497 this year. Adams teams' PA were 321, 336 and 344. The PA bar was lowered in a quantum leap downward (170 points) in 2010 and has remained at that disturbing level the whole three years -- that is not "simply haven't improved."
Quote from: laura on November 18, 2012, 10:37:46 PM
I'm a fossil myself ....I'm just so frustrated at the terrible three year span the school and the players have gone through. All the cliches, all the blaming the players by Carlson, All the excuses. This is still a college experience for these players and to just say lets try for another 2 years because thats the contract. Unacceptable! This hurts Everyone. It has to stop.
Laura brings up a good point. I may be wrong (being a fossil too), but I can't remember a time when the HFC or the staff took one for the team i.e., owned up to poor play selection, confusion on the sideline, abandoning the run game when it was effective, etc. It was always: "we" didn't get it done, "we" didn't execute, "we" were inconsistent. All those "we's" point to the players. As I recalled a conversation with the HFC in another post, at the close of the 2010 season, the blame was laid squarely on the lousy attitude and lack of talent he inherited. Subsequently two more classes have been recruited and each time the talent was described as greatly improved over the previous class, yet come game time: "we" still didn't get it done, "we" still didn't execute, "we" still were inconsistent.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 19, 2012, 08:16:29 AM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 18, 2012, 04:56:39 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 18, 2012, 03:52:52 PM
The Adams 3 seasons vs. Carlson's 3 seasons speaks for itself.
Nothing more to say.
under adams we got worse. under carlson, we simply haven't improved.
Disagree. Under Adams we got worse; under Carlson we definitely got worser (if that's a word). Carlson's heralded "O" has final broken the 200 point barrier; however, in Adam's last three years, 2 out of three seasons equalled or surpassed the 202 points scored in 2012. But it's on the "D" side that we see embarrassing decline since 2009 -- in three seasons since 2009 opponents have scored a whopping 1028 more points than us. While Adam's margins got progressively worse in his last three years, Carlson's PA have gone from 514 allowed, down to 417 allowed, and back up to 497 this year. Adams teams' PA were 321, 336 and 344. The PA bar was lowered in a quantum leap downward (170 points) in 2010 and has remained at that disturbing level the whole three years -- that is not "simply haven't improved."
my statement was based on wins and losses alone. no other numbers. because that is the ultimate mark. points for and points allowed are relative. if you only score 180 points for the year and allow 117 but go 8-3, whoop de doo. it's the same result as if you score 500 points and give up 450 for the year but still go 8-3.
I see what you mean. And when you only win 1 game in two out of three years, that is "not improving" because you can't really get any worse. ;)
But it's not only the W-L record; it really is how you won or how you lost. I doubt that the clamor we're reading on the two FB strings would even exist if the 10 losses were only by 14 or 21 points or less, and a few more that came down to the wire. Unfortunately, only three qualify this year (St.Joe's, Davidson, and Drake) The remaining 7 losses were not even close and some were embarrassing blow-outs.
tennessee fired dooley for exactly the same sort of reasons. sure, maybe he improved stuff off the field, but he had three straight losing seasons, never beat a top 25 team, and struggled to win conference games.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8648445/derek-dooley-tennessee-volunteers-return-another-season (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8648445/derek-dooley-tennessee-volunteers-return-another-season)
nerd, you're talking SEC football vs. PFL football. The SEC is all about fanbase, getting butts in the seats, and getting all the tv revenue they can. Derek Dooley wasn't winning games, so CBS and ESPN were avoiding them. Valpo is losing PFL games due to a collective attitude that hasn't been what it should be to win games. You can fault the players for not buying in, you can fault the coaches for a bad philosophy/attitude about winning/losing, and the fan base isn't buying in because they can't get past the smoke and mirrors of excuses that don't change.
Knowing the Valpo athletic history of changing coaches, they'll ride Carlson's contract, then let him go. When VU football has scholarships and alumni donations for football being at the level that keeping an eye on the coaching and wins and losses is integral to keep the money coming in, then they'll focus on contracts and when is the right time to buyout, or not give so many years.
Don't forget, Valpo football is a rebuilding project, not a first-time program that was launched when Coach Carlson was hired. Sure, after three years, we can't go with "Rome wasn't built in a day", but do we really want VU football to be the next kind of Florida/Miami Marlins's 'Fire sale', where coaches don't want to apply here because they won't get to supplant their foot in the program long enough to feel good about what they are doing?
Quote from: valporun on November 19, 2012, 11:49:33 AM
nerd, you're talking SEC football vs. PFL football. The SEC is all about fanbase, getting butts in the seats, and getting all the tv revenue they can. Derek Dooley wasn't winning games, so CBS and ESPN were avoiding them. Valpo is losing PFL games due to a collective attitude that hasn't been what it should be to win games. You can fault the players for not buying in, you can fault the coaches for a bad philosophy/attitude about winning/losing, and the fan base isn't buying in because they can't get past the smoke and mirrors of excuses that don't change.
Knowing the Valpo athletic history of changing coaches, they'll ride Carlson's contract, then let him go. When VU football has scholarships and alumni donations for football being at the level that keeping an eye on the coaching and wins and losses is integral to keep the money coming in, then they'll focus on contracts and when is the right time to buyout, or not give so many years.
Don't forget, Valpo football is a rebuilding project, not a first-time program that was launched when Coach Carlson was hired. Sure, after three years, we can't go with "Rome wasn't built in a day", but do we really want VU football to be the next kind of Florida/Miami Marlins's 'Fire sale', where coaches don't want to apply here because they won't get to supplant their foot in the program long enough to feel good about what they are doing?
run, my point remains the same though. the vols weren't winning. because of that, all those other things happened and dooley got the axe. but it all comes back to winning. in that regard, conference affiliation is meaningless.
and i do wonder how things might change if carlson can hold onto a good group of kids and start progressing them through and retain them as upperclassmen. while his results have been horrible, and in-game issues have seemingly been poorly managed, he's only just now getting mostly his kids through. if most of them are sticking around and progressing through school, then perhaps in another year or two, we might have the success that some thought would have been instantaneous. but if they're leaving for other schools or quitting football as a whole before their time is up, and that's a prolonged issue, then it may well be time to look in another direction.
Quote from: valporun on November 19, 2012, 11:49:33 AMnerd, you're talking SEC football vs. PFL football. The SEC is all about fanbase, getting butts in the seats, and getting all the tv revenue they can. Derek Dooley wasn't winning games, so CBS and ESPN were avoiding them. Valpo is losing PFL games due to a collective attitude that hasn't been what it should be to win games. You can fault the players for not buying in, you can fault the coaches for a bad philosophy/attitude about winning/losing, and the fan base isn't buying in because they can't get past the smoke and mirrors of excuses that don't change. Knowing the Valpo athletic history of changing coaches, they'll ride Carlson's contract, then let him go. When VU football has scholarships and alumni donations for football being at the level that keeping an eye on the coaching and wins and losses is integral to keep the money coming in, then they'll focus on contracts and when is the right time to buyout, or not give so many years. Don't forget, Valpo football is a rebuilding project, not a first-time program that was launched when Coach Carlson was hired. Sure, after three years, we can't go with "Rome wasn't built in a day", but do we really want VU football to be the next kind of Florida/Miami Marlins's 'Fire sale', where coaches don't want to apply here because they won't get to supplant their foot in the program long enough to feel good about what they are doing?
Run, the problem is the university's policy of retaining coaches. They may hold on this 2-31 mastermind for 2 more years, but it does not make the policy right. I agree with having patience, but 3 years with no progress is unacceptable, especially when you are in a situation where you are so bad that you can only go up. Heck, with that kind of policy, you might as well give him tenure.
We're not going to see his contract changed because we're not the attention-getting, revenue-generating program that Tennessee is for the SEC. We're just a small program meant to generate more male students to campus, and win or lose, that's all the football program will be. If Valpo football was intended to be anything more, we'd be offering scholarships and have a facility that destroyed Brown Field a long time ago.
Quote from: valporun on November 19, 2012, 02:04:57 PM
We're not going to see his contract changed because we're not the attention-getting, revenue-generating program that Tennessee is for the SEC. We're just a small program meant to generate more male students to campus, and win or lose, that's all the football program will be. If Valpo football was intended to be anything more, we'd be offering scholarships and have a facility that destroyed Brown Field a long time ago.
Not sure I agree. We have let long time coaches go due to performance in recent years and doubt they were at the end of their contracts, but just don't know. We aren't talking about cross country or swimming, but one of the two biggest sports from an exposure and alumni basis.
Also, on a financial scale - next to basketball, football at Valpo is by far the most expensive sport to operate. Eating Carlson's contract is a crumb compared to the equipment, stadium maintenance, travel, assistant coaches, etc. I am sure Carlson's salary is nothing compared to the AD and Bryce Drew. You could see a mass exodus of players leaving if changes are not made.
I say pay for the mistake and move on.
Would reassigning him to other duties at the university obviate the need to buy him out or eat a contract? I wonder if the contract language is so tight that that it closes this option. Then, if he wants to continue to coach football, he would have to resign to pursue that. I don't wish him ill. He has proven himself at another level in a different scenario. In this scenario, it just hasn't worked out. It might be best for both the university and for him for him to return to those special coaching conditions.
But I doubt that will happen. IMO Coach Carlson has exhibited certain stubbornness traits that preclude change, like imposing an offensive system on the players over three years that suit his agenda irrespective of what the kids bring to the talent pool. He has not addressed the malady called defense, steadfastly maintaining that you can keep the points against down if you control the ball with his short passing spread game, and has stuck with that in the face of obvious failure. As mentioned earlier in this string, he refuses to acknowledge coaching blunders and lays off failure on player performance ('"we" were inconsistent today."' ??? Duh, consistency is a coached-in characteristic. You coach inconsistency out of the equation, you don't blame it for failure).
One of the most stubborn, egotistical coaches in college football is Steve Spurrier. His fun and gun offense, successful at numerous coaching stops, proved not to be working after a couple of years at South Carolina. He realized he had to change to compete with the LSUs and Bamas who played something called defense. He shook up his entire FB operation, changed their objectives and their philosophy, and within two years was in the SEC top tier and in the same conversation with LSU and Bama. I haven't seen that quality at Valpo yet. When I asked Coach Carlson after the 2010 season what his plans were to avoid another season that allowed over 500 points, he told me they'd improve the offense so the D won't be on the field as much. Of course when the D in many games starts out by not causing a 3-and-out in the opponents' first few drives, and the leading tackler is your safety, regardless of whether the O puts a few drives together, you're in trouble.
Very well put #62. I do not think anyone is really defending his performance. I don't know how you can. The issue will be if the administration is stupid enough to keep him on for another year or two. This really should be a no brainer.
All of these posts have basically summed up a hopeless situation that will most likely be left as is by an administration that won't do what's right by student-athletes who committed to an illusion. If one man's stubbornness or ego is so powerful that he is not held accountable for his failure, then what are we selling to next year's recruiting class? I honestly can't imagine what these coaches have to say at this point. Yep, this is year number four of the turnaround. Come help us not get blown out every week? I would be humiliated if I had to promote a 2-31 record.
If they are locked into a contract with this guy, then at the very least I hope they outline exactly what is expected of him this next year. There have to be concrete goals that would force him to make the changes necessary to help this team find success. If no improvement next season, then out he goes. Like 62 said, consistency is coached. Fairly sure that he does not have the personality to deal with someone questioning his coaching style, but too bad. Looking good on paper from days gone by does not excuse the three year disaster that we all just witnessed here. This, of course, may all be a mute point if the players decide that it's just not worth it anymore. I wouldn't blame them if they did.
Seems like a no brainier indeed. A buyout of this contract would go a long way in restoring faith to the players and alumni who at this point have only been further alienated. The fallout from keeping this staff on may be too big to survive at this point.
Quote from: 90 on November 19, 2012, 08:38:06 PM
All of these posts have basically summed up a hopeless situation that will most likely be left as is by an administration that won't do what's right by student-athletes who committed to an illusion. If one man's stubbornness or ego is so powerful that he is not held accountable for his failure, then what are we selling to next year's recruiting class? I honestly can't imagine what these coaches have to say at this point. Yep, this is year number four of the turnaround. Come help us not get blown out every week? I would be humiliated if I had to promote a 2-31 record.
If they are locked into a contract with this guy, then at the very least I hope they outline exactly what is expected of him this next year. There have to be concrete goals that would force him to make the changes necessary to help this team find success. If no improvement next season, then out he goes. Like 62 said, consistency is coached. Fairly sure that he does not have the personality to deal with someone questioning his coaching style, but too bad. Looking good on paper from days gone by does not excuse the three year disaster that we all just witnessed here. This, of course, may all be a mute point if the players decide that it's just not worth it anymore. I wouldn't blame them if they did.
Seems like a no brainier indeed. A buyout of this contract would go a long way in restoring faith to the players and alumni who at this point have only been further alienated. The fallout from keeping this staff on may be too big to survive at this point.
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If they keep things the same regarding this situation, then as an alum I have lost of lot of faith and confidence with the administration. Call me an amateur critic, but keeping the status quo of this turd of a situation is unacceptable. 2-31 with an average loss point differential of 31, a bad attitude, and student apathy over this says it all. >:(
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 19, 2012, 03:49:15 PMI say pay for the mistake and move on.
Easy to say when it's not your money! This is for all intents and purposes a zero-sum game they're having to play in the athletic department.
What if the immediate cost of buying out Carlson prevents them from giving Bryce the raise he will require after this season and we lose him to the Mississippi States of 2013?
Is football really that important here?
Very true, I would rather eat another 2 years of Carlson under contract, than letting Bryce leave because we couldn't give him a raise (a la Butler and Stevens). Btw, Miss State was a bullet and a half that Bryce dodged. They lost by around 50 to UNC yesterday in Maui
What about the amount of money lost if kids leave the program?
Excellent question! If net tuition income is about $15,000 per kid. My wild guess on salary is that it would only take 8 departures would offset the salary.
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 20, 2012, 01:25:56 PM
Excellent question! If net tuition income is about $15,000 per kid. My wild guess on salary is that it would only take 8 departures would offset the salary.
Net tuition on average is more like $22,000 per kid. That means only six kids would have to leave and I know many are talking about leaving and guarantee there will be more than that.
ESPN Release:
BERKELEY, Calif. -- Coach Jeff Tedford was fired on Tuesday after 11 seasons at California that began with great promise and ended with a disappointing run of mediocrity.
The decision was announced by athletic director Sandy Barbour at a news conference Tuesday afternoon.
Tedford engineered an impressive turnaround for the Golden Bears after taking over a one-win team following the 2001 season. He won a school-record 82 games, churned out numerous NFL prospects and spearheaded a facilities upgrade highlighted by a $321 million stadium renovation.
But he never was able to match early success that included a pair of 10-win seasons in his first five years and a share of the 2006 conference title.
The program bottomed out this season, losing the final five games to finish 3-9 for Tedford's worst season at the helm. The Bears lost to rival Stanford for the third straight season and finished 2-5 in the first year back at remodeled Memorial Stadium.
The final two losses were the most lopsided of Tedford's career, a 59-17 home loss to Oregon followed by a season-ending 62-14 loss at Oregon State.
Tedford is still owed $6.9 million over the final three years of his contract.
Tedford was a turn-around specialist and has a pipeline in talent-rich California. He'll still be living large off the $6.9 million. Think he'd do some charity work for those three years at Valpo just to get the program on its feet? ??? He'll be able to use Valpo as a tax deduction.
:rotfl:
Quote from: willy on November 20, 2012, 02:13:11 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 20, 2012, 01:25:56 PM
Excellent question! If net tuition income is about $15,000 per kid. My wild guess on salary is that it would only take 8 departures would offset the salary.
Net tuition on average is more like $22,000 per kid. That means only six kids would have to leave and I know many are talking about leaving and guarantee there will be more than that.
The only flaw to that theory is there will always be another kid who wants to say they are a D1 football player even if their skill set wouldn't allow them to be on the roster anywhere else in the country. They'll be replaced and the money coming in before they even leave campus. Doesn't mean they're D1 quality, but they'll pay their own way and give them a full roster.
slick - that was where I was going. Better to be penny wise than dollar foolish. I say bag football altogether or do it right where it won't be a joke to the students and the alums.
BTW - football will never effect whether Bryce Drew will stay. There are many Valpo alums that will not allow that to happen, as long as Bryce wants to stay.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 20, 2012, 02:21:16 PMESPN Release: BERKELEY, Calif. -- Coach Jeff Tedford was fired on Tuesday after 11 seasons at California that began with great promise and ended with a disappointing run of mediocrity. The decision was announced by athletic director Sandy Barbour at a news conference Tuesday afternoon. Tedford engineered an impressive turnaround for the Golden Bears after taking over a one-win team following the 2001 season. He won a school-record 82 games, churned out numerous NFL prospects and spearheaded a facilities upgrade highlighted by a $321 million stadium renovation. But he never was able to match early success that included a pair of 10-win seasons in his first five years and a share of the 2006 conference title. The program bottomed out this season, losing the final five games to finish 3-9 for Tedford's worst season at the helm. The Bears lost to rival Stanford for the third straight season and finished 2-5 in the first year back at remodeled Memorial Stadium. The final two losses were the most lopsided of Tedford's career, a 59-17 home loss to Oregon followed by a season-ending 62-14 loss at Oregon State. Tedford is still owed $6.9 million over the final three years of his contract. Tedford was a turn-around specialist and has a pipeline in talent-rich California. He'll still be living large off the $6.9 million. Think he'd do some charity work for those three years at Valpo just to get the program on its feet? ??? He'll be able to use Valpo as a tax deduction. :rotfl:
Tedford did a great job at Cal. The Pac 12 has gotten much more competitive the past 5 - 6 years. Stanford has risen from being a pure geek squad to a power, and Oregon and Oregon St. are top 10 teams. Washington is also making great strides. And with Leach at Wazzou, they will be bowling in a couple of years. Now UCLA is back!
However, Kiffin may want to brush up on his coaching skills, and Valpo may be the place. He can also bring his dad Monte to be the DC. :lol:
I'm almost afraid to ask considering the responses I might get but what would it take to go scholarship in football? I'm probably opening the door to more bashing of our program but I think if you're going to do football right, it needs to go scholarship. Austin Peay St used to be in the Pioneer and now they're scholarship, why can't Valpo? I can only assume that Mercer and Stetson will be scholarship programs within a few years after joining the PFL.
So seriously, what would it take to go scholarship?
I was wondering the same thing last night, while thinking of the University of Incarnate Word (8,500 students, $60m) moving to D-1, and D-1AA scholarship football in a few years. Yes, they are in San Antonio, but their endowment is around 1/2 that of Valpo (4,000 students, $140m). The same goes for Abilene Christian (4,371 students, $300m) moving up to D-1 and D-1AA scholarship football, being closer to Valpo in students, though it does have twice the endowment.
http://www.uiw.edu/ (http://www.uiw.edu/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_the_Incarnate_Word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_the_Incarnate_Word)
www.acu.edu (http://www.acu.edu)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_Christian_University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_Christian_University)
Quote from: milanmiracle on November 20, 2012, 02:58:27 PMThe only flaw to that theory is there will always be another kid who wants to say they are a D1 football player even if their skill set wouldn't allow them to be on the roster anywhere else in the country. They'll be replaced and the money coming in before they even leave campus. Doesn't mean they're D1 quality, but they'll pay their own way and give them a full roster.
Amen, and besides, we've made the error on here before of assuming that every dollar a football player brings with them stays with football, or even the athletic department.
Quote from: valpotx on November 20, 2012, 03:27:07 PM
I was wondering the same thing last night, while thinking of the University of Incarnate Word (8,500 students, $60m) moving to D-1, and D-1AA scholarship football in a few years. Yes, they are in San Antonio, but their endowment is around 1/2 that of Valpo (4,000 students, $140m). The same goes for Abilene Christian (4,371 students, $300m) moving up to D-1 and D-1AA scholarship football, being closer to Valpo in students, though it does have twice the endowment.
http://www.uiw.edu/ (http://www.uiw.edu/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_the_Incarnate_Word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_the_Incarnate_Word)
www.acu.edu (http://www.acu.edu)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_Christian_University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_Christian_University)
I am just going to call this like I see it. Valpo could go to scholarship football if they wanted to, but it's not something they're interested in pursuing . There are other schools with smaller endowments and fewer students that play scholarship football. The reality is there's little to no incentive to do so. They have 100 or so football players paying their own way, minimal output for facilities and coaches and a conference that allows them to hide at the very bottom of D1 football. Just looking at it from a profit and loss standpoint, there's nothing to gain. They're not going to turn into Notre Dame by offering scholarships, or even Youngstown State for that matter. Sadly there's just no upside.
MOREHEAD, Ky. -- Morehead State Director of Athletics Brian Hutchinson has announced that Head Football Coach Matt Ballard's contract will not be renewed after it expires in December. Ballard served as head coach of the Eagles for 19 seasons and an assistant for four additional years.
"It is very important to me that we express our gratitude for Coach Ballard's efforts on behalf of our program for over two decades," Hutchinson said. "He inherited a program that was in shambles, and had an opportunity to coach and lead several hundred young men over the years. I am grateful to him for his dedicated service to our university."
Morehead State posted a 102-105 record in Ballard's time as its head coach. The Eagles finished the 2012 campaign 4-7 overall and 3-5 in the Pioneer Football League.
"We have not made continual progress on the football field," Hutchinson added. "The program is not performing up to the expectations we have for it. Over the years, we have identified obstacles to our success and have been diligent in addressing them. The results have been consistent for a few seasons now, and it is time to change leadership."
A national search for Ballard's replacement will begin immediately.
Sounds like a good replacement for us, a guy that took a program in shambles to some really good seasons, and was around .500 for his tenure. We could only hope for so much right now, that I would love a .500 record over a 20 year period...
Quote from: slickdaddy on November 20, 2012, 04:45:43 PM
MOREHEAD, Ky. -- Morehead State Director of Athletics Brian Hutchinson has announced that Head Football Coach Matt Ballard's contract will not be renewed after it expires in December. Ballard served as head coach of the Eagles for 19 seasons and an assistant for four additional years.
"It is very important to me that we express our gratitude for Coach Ballard's efforts on behalf of our program for over two decades," Hutchinson said. "He inherited a program that was in shambles, and had an opportunity to coach and lead several hundred young men over the years. I am grateful to him for his dedicated service to our university."
Morehead State posted a 102-105 record in Ballard's time as its head coach. The Eagles finished the 2012 campaign 4-7 overall and 3-5 in the Pioneer Football League.
"We have not made continual progress on the football field," Hutchinson added. "The program is not performing up to the expectations we have for it. Over the years, we have identified obstacles to our success and have been diligent in addressing them. The results have been consistent for a few seasons now, and it is time to change leadership."
A national search for Ballard's replacement will begin immediately.
I posted the same thing over on the "OK, now what?" string. To repeat, right now we'd have killed for MSU's recent numbers.
Quote from: milanmiracle on November 20, 2012, 04:05:17 PM
Quote from: valpotx on November 20, 2012, 03:27:07 PM
I was wondering the same thing last night, while thinking of the University of Incarnate Word (8,500 students, $60m) moving to D-1, and D-1AA scholarship football in a few years. Yes, they are in San Antonio, but their endowment is around 1/2 that of Valpo (4,000 students, $140m). The same goes for Abilene Christian (4,371 students, $300m) moving up to D-1 and D-1AA scholarship football, being closer to Valpo in students, though it does have twice the endowment.
http://www.uiw.edu/ (http://www.uiw.edu/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_the_Incarnate_Word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_the_Incarnate_Word)
www.acu.edu (http://www.acu.edu)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_Christian_University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_Christian_University)
I am just going to call this like I see it. Valpo could go to scholarship football if they wanted to, but it's not something they're interested in pursuing . There are other schools with smaller endowments and fewer students that play scholarship football. The reality is there's little to no incentive to do so. They have 100 or so football players paying their own way, minimal output for facilities and coaches and a conference that allows them to hide at the very bottom of D1 football. Just looking at it from a profit and loss standpoint, there's nothing to gain. They're not going to turn into Notre Dame by offering scholarships, or even Youngstown State for that matter. Sadly there's just no upside.
It's a major financial undertaking that takes more than just 34 (NEC) - 65 (CAA, Big Sky, MVFC, etc.) FB scholarships. If we joined the NEC it would be $42,216 X 34 = $1,435,344. At the I-AA level, partials augmented by need grants is possible unlike the BCS. I-AA also requires some adherence to certain facility standards (mainly capacity) as well. And then there is the "bling" needed to attract scholarship-quality kids -- mainly locker rooms, lounges, weight facilities, training rooms, jaccuzzis, etc.). The NEC is migrating to 40 in 2013 BTW.
I agree with milan, that's not the route to go. We're not talking about needing to go for the FCS championship and packing 10,000 fans in the stands. We're talking about football adding to the quality of campus life at a great mid-major university, generating a sense of pride among alumni, and striving for excellence at the level of competition
we choose. Allowing the football program to fester, at whatever level, in an environment that is contrary to the stated ambitions of excellence by the Valpo leadership turns that statement into a lie.
Just for a point: during that coach's tenure at Morehead we were 3-14 (.176 winning %) against him. Series (re)started in 1996. Wins for the good guys in 1999, 2003, and 2006.
Horne: 2-8 (regular season loss in 2003 avenged later in the championship game)
Adams: 1-3
Carlson: 0-3
I didn't calculate average score because I have already drank enough for a holiday week.
Oh, and during Ballard's 102-105 tenure (49.3% winning %), Valpo went 74-131 (36.1%).
OK, you got me, another drink.
The PFL will have three new football coaches, and two new programs. Maybe, just maybe, stability is what is needed on the VU football sidelines. Just a thought.
One could also argue that with the new coaches and programs coming into the PFL, that one more wouldn't hurt...
Quote from: covufan on November 20, 2012, 07:54:20 PM
The PFL will have three new football coaches, and two new programs. Maybe, just maybe, stability is what is needed on the VU football sidelines. Just a thought.
One could also argue that with the new coaches and programs coming into the PFL, that one more wouldn't hurt...
One more what: new coach in the league if Valpo decides to change? or another year for the Valpo Coach? ::)
Hypothetically, if Valpo lets Carlson go tomorrow, how many years should the AD offer the next guy at the negotiating table? Three? Five? Go a year or two interim and hire after long drawn out national search? Find a new coach immediately and offer a one year renewable contract :crazy:? For arguments sake, if your answer is more than three years, why are you not extending the same courtesy to the same guy we have now?
Again, hypothetically, what signal are we sending to the next round of candidates if we break the contract tomorrow? That VU is committed to football or that when the AD puts five years on paper, he really means three?
A key point for me from the Morehead release: They identified obstacles to performance improvement, put measures in place to eliminate them (i.e., invested in things perhaps like a bigger staff, painted the stadium, or revamped the weight room, whatever), yet in the past few years there was no measurable improvement (they did win 4 games this year).
Hear what you're saying Joe, and I think MLB will go with one more year and if there is no further, major (it can't be another 1-10 or 2-9 record even with a PF/PA margin reduced to -21 (it's at 30+ now), he'll have no choice. That assumes a tough performance review NOW, specific goals set NOW, and further investment NOW to eliminate any excuses. The investment should move the Valpo budget baseline to be competitive with all other PFL schools (or maybe even make an investment surge for 1 year) and whether or not the HFC achieves his goals in 2013, the coach in 2014 of this drama will have something to work with.
Dale Carlson is MLB's hire. MLB's reputation is on the line as well as Carlson's. MLB will give the guy every chance to succeed -- to a point.
True. MLB has done so well in the other sport's coaching hires and results that he will not be under pressure himself.
Yeah, it's a 4th year on a short lease I would guess too. That cycles through all of the other coaches recruits. On that note I have to say that he is reaping what he sowed by poor mouthing the recruits he inherited. The comments about those recruits did not show me a lot of class. Just take the high road and go out and get your own guys then.
FWIW -- As of 8:50 AM Wednesday: I could find no Morehead pre game blog, no Morehead Players of the Week on Facebook, and no Morehead recap. :(
Glutton for punishment, 62?
More like Lesshead players of the week... :/
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 21, 2012, 08:23:31 AMGlutton for punishment, 62? More like Lesshead players of the week... :/
Is it more like Players of the Weak?
C'mon, what do you think MLB sees in this incredible 2-31 coaching whiz, besides just trying to cover his behind? MLB's credibility will not go down if they let him go; in fact, admitting something is going wrong and making a change will show strength and wisdom.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 21, 2012, 08:23:31 AM
Glutton for punishment, 62?
More like Lesshead players of the week... :/
Yeah, I am -- care too much I guess. Failing to at least recognize the kids, even in a debacle like the one we just witnessed, is yet another slam on the players. >:(