In addition to Mike Minter coming in at Campbell next season, Morehead just released news that on Thursday 12/13 they will announce their new HFC. I'll add more on that as the news is released.
That leaves just Davidson. Once Davidson hires their new guy, we'll know a little more about what we're up against in year four of the VU football rebuilding program.
One thing these schools will have is fresh enthusiasm and drive to recruit and move forward. It will be interesting to see if we see this same drive and enthusiasm at Valpo with year 4.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 13, 2012, 01:45:43 AM
I'll add more on that as the news is released.
Appears they promoted an assistant from within.
Before Valpo can recruit, the coaching staff needs to be solidified. Have there been any announcements on new coaches or coordinators?
I haven't heard anything. Didn't see any changes on the FB website either.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 14, 2012, 04:48:43 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 13, 2012, 01:45:43 AM
I'll add more on that as the news is released.
Appears they promoted an assistant from within.
MOREHEAD, Ky. -- Rob Tenyer, who has served as an assistant football coach at Morehead State University the past 12 seasons, has been named the 14th head coach in school history.
"I am pleased that Coach Tenyer accepted the position," Morehead State President Dr. Wayne D. Andrews said. "We were deliberate in our search. His enthusiasm for the position and our young men is evident. It is exciting to consider the future of Morehead State football with Rob at the helm."
Tenyer has served as Morehead State's offensive coordinator the past two years after four seasons as recruiting coordinator. He has coached running backs all 12 years with the Eagles, in addition to stints as receivers coach, strength & conditioning coordinator and equipment coordinator.
Tenyer has 15 years of collegiate recruiting experience, including 12 at the Division I level. He has also been the football staff's academic liaison the past two years, where he annually monitored and assisted 100+ student-athletes in their pursuit of degrees at Morehead State.
"Rob earned this opportunity, it wasn't handed to him," Morehead State Director of Athletics Brian Hutchinson said. "He has always exhibited tremendous passion for our program and when I began to think about who should lead it, it became evident that Rob had the requisite experience and plan to do so. I was particularly impressed with his preparation and vision for our team's success."I view this as a commitment to the
Status Quo on Morehead's part and it
might bode a little bit in Valpo's favor next season. Usually a program will promote an assistant when a team is winning and the HFC leaves for greener pastures or retires. But to promote an assistant from the existing staff when the program has been in trouble, as Morehead obviously thought it was, does not, IMO, send an emphatic message. Could be wrong and this guy could be great and just needed the chance. But he was already there, so MSU could get off a bit cheaper and not have to make improvement promises to entice him. :twocents:
:popcorn: Popped over to the Davidson Gridiron forum, because I was curious about why no new HFC announcement yet despite the firing with 2 games left. If you change the colors of the site and substitute the name Valpo for Davidson while reading the 4 pages of comments by posters you would think that you were reading our Valpo Fan forum. The exact concerns and complaints. The same comments about being a highly respected academic institution, etc. etc. A lot of their people are ticked because it's taking so long after the early firing saying that, if you cut a guy before the season ends there must have been a plan, but because no one has been hired, there couldn't have been one and the firing was premature. They also bemoan their poor facilities. The AD is taking a lot of flack.
I have to agree with 62, but Davidson is one step ahead of us in improving their football program.
And now USD is looking for an new HFC. So that's 4 new coaches and we face three of them in 2013.
USD's Ron Caragher accepted the head football coaching position at San Jose State University. Gene Bleymaier, the Spartans' director of athletics made the announcement at a 2:00 p.m. press conference this afternoon on the campus of San Jose State University in San Jose, California.
That's quite a jump -- PFL to a FBS team. Ironic, he has followed the same path up the coast as Harbaugh when he jumped from USD to Stanford. SJSU is only 30 or so miles from Palo Alto.
Here's the PFL link:
http://pioneer-football.org/news/archives/2012/832/san-diego-head-coach-ron-caragher-named-new-san-jose-state-head-coach/ (http://pioneer-football.org/news/archives/2012/832/san-diego-head-coach-ron-caragher-named-new-san-jose-state-head-coach/)
Jim Harbaugh jumped from the PFL to Stanford, so why not? Harbaugh is one of the premier football coaches in the NFL.
Guys, there's nothing wrong with change. Hey Valpo AD and administration, there's nothing wrong with change!
Quote from: laura on December 18, 2012, 07:52:52 PM
CHANGE?... This clown still has the DAVIDSON game posted on the Blog. Are you kidding me? Beyond embarassing.
And then he wonders why the team doesn't "finish plays"...you lead by example.
I don't think this is abuse in the least. Anyone that makes a campus visit knows about the football facilities beforehand, and coaches should be given a chance of 3-4 seasons before making a decision to fire at this level. The guys coming to Valpo for football are not superstars who should be expecting a top tier program based on recent results. If they were superstars in the first place, they wouldn't be going 1-AA non-scholarship anyways. Not trying to knock our players, but rather bring us back to reality that we are a non-scholarship program, whose true main money-maker is basketball, not football.
Not to pile on, but the FB web page is fine and is commensurate with the coverage given other sports by the athletic department IMO. I wouldn't call the current condition abuse either. But where I agree with Laura is in the frustration over the lack of progress -- the kids have been under-served and promises (either implied or actual) have not been kept. Three or four wins in year three is not too much to expect and then the complaints over the reality of poor facilities, etc. become less of a concern and the focus moves to where it should be -- the kids and the coaches and the push to get over the .500 hump. In 2012 in addition to Campbell, St. Joe's and Davidson should have been in the win column and in both cases the coaching decisions and lack of discipline (coaching again) can be identified as the critical factor. In addition the incredible blow-outs continued (PA, at 497, were only 17 fewer than year #1 -- Hello!!!).
Quote from: laura on December 19, 2012, 09:57:40 PM
This whole Carlson tenure makes me ill. Besides theBlog he quit on, just look at the quality of our football page compared to other PFL teams. What does the AD think the outcome will be next year? NEVER have I seen such INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE of a group of student athletes as has occurred here at Valpo. From Coaches (Carlson) to facilities to support. these athletes have been abandoned. I tip my hat to the players who so love the game that they have NOT QUIT.
OK Laura we all know you have an axe to grind. Perhaps on reflection you will see that this is a little over the top. Given what has happened recently, a group of college football players playing in average facilities, with an average coach and an average website hardly seems to rise to your level of attack. This from someone who agrees we need a coaching change.
As far as the blog, review what other coaches at Valpo do. In that light, Carlson is light years ahead of everyone else. The website in general has some problems. We have had no media guide updates for some sports in 2 years.
Laura, I really like your passion and concern about this team. You have some guts to speak out on a bad situation that some do not want to discuss or admit. Obviously, this football program is in a sad state of disarray and requires an enema.
However, there is no abuse going on. Valpo would never abuse students and I think you went overboard. Valpo is a decent school. It is not a perfect institution, but they have decent values. Overall, Valpo as an instituion is doing well. These players coming in to Valpo know that this program is bad. They now know the coaching is bad, not average, bad. If these student athletes come to Valpo primarily to play football, then they are either desperate or stupid. If they are failing in their academics because of football, blame it on the students, not the university. That being said, a school with decent values should not go on, ignore the facts and say "all is well" with this football program.
Valpo is a decent school, I would recommend it to many. But regarding coming to Valpo for football, that's another story. It's obvious that there is no committment to success.
Davidson is set to announce their next HFC this morning. Meanwhile Minter at Campbell has filled out his staff -- retained the previous OC and looks to be placing heavy emphasis on defense. That's not surprising given his background and personalty.
Quote from: laura on December 20, 2012, 10:34:07 PM
3-41 after next year. Then a new coach? 4-51 after year 5? New coach then hired . Needs time to get his people and his system in. A lost decade. This team has been abandoned maybe that was a better choice of words. Institutional Abandonment.
If the current staff produces at least 3 wins and keeps scores in all but maybe UND and Wagner within, say, 14 points, they'll probably return for year 5. Even with 3 wins, if the blow-outs continue, the HFC stands a good chance of being let go. With blowouts continuing together with less than three wins, then I've got to believe the change will be made at the end of the 2013 season. Failing to do so would certainly indicate "institutional abandonment."
My spread sheet is ready to go (click on it to enlarge). Look, no losses!
From the Davidson web site:
DAVIDSON, N.C. - Paul Nichols '03, who as a student-athlete in 2000 quarterbacked Davidson to its first-and-only undefeated season, is returning to his alma mater to serve as the football program's 27th head coach, Director of Athletics Jim Murphy announced Friday.
Nichols, a coach at the Football Bowl Subdivision level since 2004, becomes the youngest head coach in all of NCAA Division I football at age 31.
We don't play Davidson this year, but it's good to know information. Nichols inherits Sr. QB Jonathan Carkhuff who threw for 400 yards on 37 for 56 (66%) passing against the Crusaders in that OT loss. They'll win a few in year one.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 21, 2012, 07:32:09 AM
Quote from: laura on December 20, 2012, 10:34:07 PM
3-41 after next year. Then a new coach? 4-51 after year 5? New coach then hired . Needs time to get his people and his system in. A lost decade. This team has been abandoned maybe that was a better choice of words. Institutional Abandonment.
If the current staff produces at least 3 wins and keeps scores in all but maybe UND and Wagner within, say, 14 points, they'll probably return for year 5. Even with 3 wins, if the blow-outs continue, the HFC stands a good chance of being let go. With blowouts continuing together with less than three wins, then I've got to believe the change will be made at the end of the 2013 season. Failing to do so would certainly indicate "institutional abandonment."
My spread sheet is ready to go (click on it to enlarge). Look, no losses!
I don't think the record matters at this point. Whatever contract he signed, he'll finish. Under no circumstances do I see VU buying him out. It's not possible to be worse than this, so the losing won't influence this decision.
Quote from: valpotx on December 20, 2012, 03:30:14 AM
I don't think this is abuse in the least. Anyone that makes a campus visit knows about the football facilities beforehand, and coaches should be given a chance of 3-4 seasons before making a decision to fire at this level. The guys coming to Valpo for football are not superstars who should be expecting a top tier program based on recent results. If they were superstars in the first place, they wouldn't be going 1-AA non-scholarship anyways. Not trying to knock our players, but rather bring us back to reality that we are a non-scholarship program, whose true main money-maker is basketball, not football.
Are we sure about that? Getting 100 kids to pay their own way and buy a portion of their equipment makes the football program pretty profitable. It's not like they're spending money on the facilities. It's my understanding those YSU beating pay nicely.
Quote from: milanmiracle on December 21, 2012, 10:57:29 PM
I don't think the record matters at this point. Whatever contract he signed, he'll finish. Under no circumstances do I see VU buying him out. It's not possible to be worse than this, so the losing won't influence this decision.
I don't know; IMO it comes back to piling embarrassment upon the university. As you pointed out in your next post, the annual FCS beat-downs pay handsomely, and there is no scholarship budget to worry about. There could be enough left over for a buy-out at the end of 2013. I checked the web sites of the three coaches who were let go this season and only the Morehead HFC
appears to have been in a non-renewal situation. Both Davidson and Campbell
appeared to release the incumbent prior to the completion of their contracts.
DAVIDSON, N.C. – Tripp Merritt will be released from his contract as Davidson's head football coach at the end of the season and has been relieved of his coaching responsibilities for the remaining two games, Director of Athletics Jim Murphy announced Monday.
MOREHEAD, Ky. -- Morehead State Director of Athletics Brian Hutchinson has announced that Head Football Coach Matt Ballard's contract will not be renewed after it expires in December. Ballard served as head coach of the Eagles for 19 seasons and an assistant for four additional years.
BUIES CREEK, N.C. – The administration of Campbell University announced today that head football coach Dale Steele will be released at the conclusion of the 2012 season. Coach Steele and his staff will remain with the program through the team's final game on Nov. 17. The search for a new head coach will begin immediately.Of the three schools, Davidson is most like us (but even smaller in enrollment). They prize academics and cruising their forum indicated that there is displeasure with athletic facilities, similar to discussions on our board. If Davidson fires a coach (and theirs was on board for 8 years, had 31-51 record overall, and ranked fifth all-time in coaching victories at Davidson), there is precedent for Valpo where in a mere three years the HFC has accumulated the same number of defeats as the Davidson coach had victories. Not saying it will happen, but I think the possibility is there.
62 your avatar lol. well done.
I'd bet that if Valpo doesn't win any games next year the coach will be back for year 5. :twocents:
Quote from: HC on December 22, 2012, 12:05:36 PM
I'd bet that if Valpo doesn't win any games next year the coach will be back for year 5. :twocents:
Please note I changed my avatar for this response: I genuinely, fervently, positively hope that in 2013 Carlson will win a bunch of games and show that this arduous wait was worth it. However, if he goes winless or only has a couple of wins, and the team suffers PFL blowouts again (I don't care about the guarantee games), and he is still retained, you won't see me on the board any more. I have grandkids that require attention and my time, and I could use my [donation] money better in my semi-retirement. Valpo would have disappointed me to that great a degree. So much for the pursuit of excellence.
I wonder if the university even realizes that I am not alone in taking this position and why people I know don't give to the university. I talk to other former FB players and most are less optimistic than me about the program and believe that their donations don't have an impact (money into a dark hole). Almost every school we compete against has an endowment that is less that VU's, yet those schools invest in things that promote their universities. There I see investment with the idea that 'if we build it they will come.' And in most cases, it happens. It's nice that the Chapel of the Resurrection is getting the windows fixed, but how does that promote the university on the national stage? I'm sure the $5 million welcome center is a nice-to-have improvement, but does that promote the university nationally (Gee, mom. I'm going to Valpo because I was really impressed by the welcome center!")? The 30 year strategic plan is nice to see, but where are the guts and where is the action? And how does that, in it's current conceptual state, promote the university nationally? Is it wrong to want my alma mater to be a nationally recognized (not embarrassed) institution? And face it, in these days, national recognition mainly comes through sports and not network TV coverage of the erection of a welcome center. I'm not saying that Valpo should do things that compete with the biggies, far from it -- but it should make decisions that preclude it from being a visible laughing stock as a national university. Football has two immediate choices -- really fix it now or get rid of it and spare us the ridicule. And that brings us back to football. Invest in football, make good decisions or become an Xavier, St. Johns, Creighton, Seton Hall, Providence, Santa Clara, whatever, and sink those funds into mens's soccer or something, but don't pretend to support a football program when you really aren't. :twocents:
Whew, did I rant on or what?
I hear the team GPA has gone up every year under Coach Carlson...if that makes you feel any better.
*GPA = gaffes per annum
62, I am in total agreement on your assessment. This football program needs an enema and no one cares or may be overly-nice about this situation, or just plain does not care. I work with Valpo alums and we joke about how bad the program is. We high fived when we were ranked #246 in the rankings. I mean what do you do, talk about how great they played in a 76-24 blowout to Morehead St.? This whole situation is being ignored by the university and no action or caring is being shown. This issue should have been resolved this year; if it is the same old crapola next year and no action are taken, this will hurt the university more than they can imagine.
Quote from: HC on December 22, 2012, 06:57:36 PM
I hear the team GPA has gone up every year under Coach Carlson...if that makes you feel any better.
Actually it does.
There are elements of the current program that IMO needed to be put into place and were with Coach Carlson's hiring and program development. There is a routine and discipline to the year-round aspect of Crusader football that are an improvement. The communication (except for all the rah rah motivational quotes) is much improved -- there is finally a new addition to the FB blog BTW. But all of that is for naught, if the team and coaches can't produce competitiveness on the field on game day.
How about these for stocking stuffers in the HFC's stocking on Christmas morning?
-> A tough defensive scheme that gets stops with regular consistency and gets the D off the field faster --- along with a new DC to coach it.
-> Fewer "themes of the year, day week, whatever" -- just one actually: practice and play hard for 60 minutes with no mistakes
-> Four new difference-makers on each side of the ball
-> A replacement for punter Greg Wood
And then there were none. The fourth and final vacancy among PFL HFCs has been filled. USD chose their current DC to replace Caragher. Seems like a no-brainer. The guy has a great playing and coaching resume. This IMO is a better example of hiring from within than the Morehead hiring.
San Diego, Calif. - The University of San Diego will introduce Dale Lindsey as its new head football coach at a press conference to be held tomorrow, December 29th, at 2:00 p.m. (PST) in the Jenny Craig Pavilion Warren Hospitality Suite. Lindsey becomes the Toreros' 13th head coach and replaces Ron Caragher who recently was hired as head coach at San Jose State University.
Here's the full release from the USD web site by way of the PFL site.
http://usdtoreros.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/122812aaa.html (http://usdtoreros.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/122812aaa.html)
Fresh starts for all of the PFL bottom feeders except the brown and gold.
Wouldn't call USD a bottom feeder, but Morehead, Davidson, and Campbell all have new FB bosses. We see all but Davidson in 2013.
Happy New Year everybody.
Happy New Year to you all too. Fight on USC tomorrow and beat the Yellow Jackets to conclude this very forgetful season.
Who is worse based on the situation...Carlson or Kiffin? Thank goodness it is 2013!!!
Kiffin doesn't have a solid, consistent coaching record anywhere. He's more of a contract/money chaser than he is a coach. At least Coach Carlson has some coaching record depth to work with, and he stayed at school long enough to have a measurable record of wins and losses.
I don't think any reasonable football fan would argue that over the last three seasons, the top three most talented teams have been Alabama, LSU, and USC. During that time period, Alabama has 5 losses, LSU 6 losses, and USC 13 losses. Sometimes there's to much evidence to ignore. For one reason or another, Lane Kiffin teams are not able to win games at the percentage they should.
I am a very reasonable football fan, and would place Texas in the top 3 in regards to talent/recruits, over either USC or LSU. When you routinely have a top 3-5 recruiting class in the best overall HS football state (amount of quality teams/players), and have been producing less than double digit wins recently, it is time to go for Mack Brown. You could place just about any coach in America at UT and he can win 7-8 games if he is not a complete moron. UT will always have the pick of the litter here, and I think Mack needs to be looked at just as much as Kiffin in recent failures. People will bring up the championship year, but again, with the talent in-state and massive athletic budget, it will always be in the mix pre-season. Just a matter of in-game coaching from that point.
tx, I recall an interview with Mack Brown where he said that part of his issues lately haven't been talent or recruiting, but it's been all the requirements involved with the Longhorn Network? I'm sure these are just excuses, but with the expectations that Texas fans have for the football team, what's wrong with letting Mack Brown do his job of coaching/mentoring these talented athletes, instead of having to always prep for the tv cameras during the season?
I am very surprised Mack Brown hasn't gotten more pressure. It reminds me of the John Cooper years at Ohio State. He would have at least 5-6 high NFL draft picks on the roster every year, and he would have a top 5 recruiting class every year, but every year he would lose one Big Ten game before Michigan, he would lose to Michigan, and then lose his Bowl Game EVERY year and finish 9-3 without fail. And yet he would keep his job with hardly any pressure or accountability. I don't know how he did it. You have Stoops at Oklahoma, Mack at Texas and now Kiffin at USC doing the same thing.
I guess that's why you have successful or high profile college coaches so reluctant to jump to the NFL (7 head coaches fired Monday, maybe more to come) unless they are trying to stay ahead of recruiting violations (right Pete Carroll?). Rumors are Nick Saban, Chip Kelly and possiblly Bill OBrien looking at NFL opportunities. Probably should stay in college......as Jerry Glanville used to say, the NFL stand for Not For Long.
You really haven't heard much about Mack's pressure from the fan base until this year, which has surprised me. There is a point where a national title is no longer relevant to the fan base, and it seems they have finally gotten to that point. In regards to the LHN, that is Mack's way of trying to pass the buck to something else leading to team performance troubles. I like TCU since it is where I received my MBA, but there is no way UT should lose to TCU at UT's stadium in ANY year in football. TCU has had much success over the last decade, but that was a huge upset with a FR QB for TCU after Pachall got caught with drugs just a few games into the season (NFL-caliber QB).
Can't get me to think of John Cooper without chanting "TWO, TEN, and ONE! TWO, TEN, and ONE!" :)
Regarding Tx's "There is a point where a national title is no longer relevant to the fan base", it's sad but true.
The NC didn't even get Phil Fulmer ten years (and look what's befallen UT since then!!!)--but it didn't give even THREE years to Gene Chizik!
What's the world coming to? I mean, we can make all the "Cam Newton" statements we want, but the bottom line is that how many other active FBS coaches have the NC? Saban, Miles, and... ? Pretty much just Mack Brown.
Both TCU & Texas had a ton of Freshmen playing this year, i know they were 1 & 2 in B12 & both high in NCAAF.
For teams with players returning, heard yesterday that Wisconsin has only 6-7 srs [ 2rs]. I look for Big 10 to be very good next year.
IMO, many coaches stay around way too long...Joe P, Bowden, etc., why not do like Lou Holtz?
Quote from: new2ff on January 02, 2013, 03:19:21 PMwhy not do like Lou Holtz?
....wasn't his "retirement" like Michael Jordan's (first)?
Yeah, after retiring from Notre Dame, Holtz went to South Carolina, before retiring(?) again...
True, but I was implying that he "resigned" rather than be fired. Maybe should have said "tressel" style rather than MJ style...
Quote from: valporun on January 02, 2013, 04:34:23 PM
Yeah, after retiring from Notre Dame, Holtz went to South Carolina, before retiring(?) again...
and then he somehow managed to get a pompous windbag gig at espn...