Detroit just beat the tar out of YSU, winning by 41. They were up something like 27 at half. Still, Ray Jr led all his teammates playing 30 minutes to score 19. Here's the real dussie. With 8 seconds to go Detroit scores again and Slocum has had enough. Has a few choice words for Ray Sr. and gets the T. Detroit makes 2 to go over 100. If Ray Jr. gets MVP based only on averages without consideration for how many minutes and shots he takes, I'll puke. I hope we beat them like a drum.
Did anyone jam as time expired?
Ray Jr didn't, he subbed out for good at the 4:38 mark. Of course, the lead had been officially safe for about 10 minutes by then.
The guy who scored with 8 seconds left was a freshman named Dos Santos, and those were his first ever points not counting a couple against one of their NAIA opponents. In fact, it was the first game the kid has played in against a Division I opponent. You're going to blame Ray McCallum for clearing his bench? You're going to begrudge some 18 year old kid getting fired up and taking the ball to the hoop in his excitement?
That is the definition of classless, alright, but maybe not how you meant it.
Quote from: Pathfinder on January 10, 2013, 09:04:28 PMYou're going to blame Ray McCallum for clearing his bench?
Yeah, when it's 15 minutes too late, genius.
Quote from: Pathfinder on January 10, 2013, 09:04:28 PM
The guy who scored with 8 seconds left was a freshman named Dos Santos, and those were his first ever points not counting a couple against one of their NAIA opponents. In fact, it was the first game the kid has played in against a Division I opponent. You're going to blame Ray McCallum for clearing his bench? You're going to begrudge some 18 year old kid getting fired up and taking the ball to the hoop in his excitement?
That is the definition of classless, alright, but maybe not how you meant it.
Not the kid genius, the COACH. His "bench" played a total of 19 minutes. Ray Jr played 30. The game was never in doubt, certainly after the first half. Coach Drew would have taken a couple of shot clock violations to end the game. If you watched it, he NEVER called off the dogs. Classless if giving McCalum way to much credit.
Don't bother, 72, this is the Titan fan who comes on here to talk about how much better McCallum is than Broekhoff.
Perhaps Ray's defense will be that he really doesn't have a bench to play.
Blame the final 2 points on YSU Coach Jerry Slocum who managed to get a technical foul with less than 10 seconds on the clock in a blow out game. If Slocum hadn't of gotten the tech with his own player shooting a free throw Detroit would not have scored over 100.
I don't blame Slocum for a thing, except perhaps for not strangling McCallum when he had a clear shot at him.
The game was STATISTICALLY OVER with NINE-FIFTY to play. That is ridiculous. And the bench guys are getting 1, 3, 4 minutes?
(When Bill James says it's statistically over, it's over. His formula has only failed to work once in the history of college basketball.)
To give you an idea of how ridiculous it is for a game to be over with a quarter of it still to be played, Valpo's blowout of Ga-So was over with 9:07 to play. In THAT game, everyone available played, Broekhoff only played 23 min, and Rossi, who got the least of anyone, got 11 (his most to date).
EDIT: OH! And let's not forget the tech on Lippert, and the flagrant elbow Bruinsma threw that the refs missed tonight. What do I think about when I think of Detroit, in five seconds or less? H*R / Cheat Commandos / Blue Laser: I Just Hate You So Much (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTY5ao-1o4E#)
So Detroit's as shallow as they are classless. Beating them thrice this year is going to be be just as good as doing it to Butler last year.
Quote from: Pathfinder on January 10, 2013, 09:04:28 PM
The guy who scored with 8 seconds left was a freshman named Dos Santos, and those were his first ever points not counting a couple against one of their NAIA opponents. In fact, it was the first game the kid has played in against a Division I opponent. You're going to blame Ray McCallum for clearing his bench? You're going to begrudge some 18 year old kid getting fired up and taking the ball to the hoop in his excitement?
That is the definition of classless, alright, but maybe not how you meant it.
You know, you could actually be a good contributor to this board, if only you could find a way to stop being overly defensive about everything Detroit and its immature shenanigans. You sound like O. J. Simpson's mom, explaining how her precious Orenthal isn't the monster everyone was making him out to be.
Ray Sr is definitely just as classless as his POS son. The Drews wouldn't have allowed anyone to take those shots at the end of the game, regardless of someone never playing or not. I remember several times where we were leading by a large margin, and we would run the clock out without a shot with our walk-on having the chance to score. Let's beat the crap out of them, please! I can at least respect the way that Butler plays even with my strong dislike for the school, but I have absolutely no respect for Detroit's basketball team
http://www.vindy.com/news/2013/jan/11/we-got-rocked/?newswatch (http://www.vindy.com/news/2013/jan/11/we-got-rocked/?newswatch)
Quote from: Pathfinder on January 10, 2013, 09:04:28 PMThe guy who scored with 8 seconds left was a freshman named Dos Santos, .
That sounds like a masked wrestler! I wonder if the program lists him as from "Parts Unknown"?
As for the results of this game... does nothing but make them look like jerks (ok bigger jerks) #BeatDetroit
I have a pretty solid hatred for Ray and Ray jr., and with a 35-point lead that late in the game I'd take my starters out, too. But let's remember, we complain on this board quite a bit about Bryce refusing to put the hammer down and salt away the win. And how that philosophy often times leads to the typical "prevent defense" result, pulling defeat from the jaws of victory and losing games they had well in hand.
There's nothing wrong with puttingn the figurative boot on the collective neck to ensure the win.
Quote from: vu72 on January 11, 2013, 07:17:34 AM
http://www.vindy.com/news/2013/jan/11/we-got-rocked/?newswatch (http://www.vindy.com/news/2013/jan/11/we-got-rocked/?newswatch)
I clipped this from the article:
"We got rocked tonight."
The game's final minutes devolved into the second quarter of an NBA All-Star game, with Detroit attempting three 3s and multiple dunks. With less than five seconds left, a visibly peeved Slocum voiced his displeasure to McCallum in the closing seconds and was hit with a technical.It's one thing to pull your starters which I guess McCallum did at a point, but most coaches would have said no threes and show some respect - no dunks.
Conversely, here's McCallum:
"We put 40 [minutes] together tonight," the elder McCallum said. "I think it was a good mindset by us. We have a lot of respect for Youngstown and what Jerry's doing and how he's improved the program. They're a good team. They're still one of the top teams in the league."Yah, right. Live by the sword die by the sword.
On the flip side, Bobby shot a 3-pointer with a minute left in the last home game against CSU (and made it). What happened? Bryce calls timeout just to sub him out and talk to him about it.
Quote from: milldew72 on January 11, 2013, 08:53:54 AMBut let's remember, we complain on this board quite a bit about Bryce refusing to put the hammer down and salt away the win.
Yeah, for me this is the dilemma. What's the _correct_ winning margin? Is a 30 point margin OK? A 20 point? When should you take your leading scorers out of the game?
It looks like Detroit did eventually take them out. Calliste came out for good with 8:49 to play. He played 29 minutes for his 27 points. 4 minutes below his season average - so it looks like he got more minutes than usual in the first three quarters, but came out rather early.
McCallum came out for good a bit later... with 4:38 to play. 30 minutes for his 19 points, 5 minutes below his season average.
Should they play _only_ the last guys on their bench? For the last.. quarter? Half?
Quote from: milldew72 on January 11, 2013, 08:53:54 AM
I have a pretty solid hatred for Ray and Ray jr., and with a 35-point lead that late in the game I'd take my starters out, too. But let's remember, we complain on this board quite a bit about Bryce refusing to put the hammer down and salt away the win. And how that philosophy often times leads to the typical "prevent defense" result, pulling defeat from the jaws of victory and losing games they had well in hand.
There's nothing wrong with puttingn the figurative boot on the collective neck to ensure the win.
As LaPorteAveApostle pointed out, the game was statistically over with almost 10 minutes left to play. I don't expect Ray Sr. to know the formula for this and empty his bench right then and there, but leading by 29 or more points at that point, I would expect him to feel like the game's pretty well in hand.
Valpo reached the same point with about 4:38 to go against CSU. Now, Detroit may have emptied their bench, but that's about the time when Ray Jr subbed out for good. That's waiting way too long. Plus I don't recall Valpo filling up the final 4 minutes with a whole bunch of alley oops. You don't have to do that way in order to keep playing your game. I'm less alarmed at all the 3s, I don't think that's a problem. The iron was unusually kind to Detroit all game long, and there's nothing particularly inflammatory about shooting 3s. It just *feels* inflammatory when they all go in ;)
And let's not forget how McCallum handled it after the game, like the Alfred E Newman schmuck he is.
Here's how class handles it: "I would like to apologize to Coach Slocum and YSU for the way the last few minutes played out. We never mean to show anyone up, and while I don't blame my bench for wanting to go play in the time they were given, they were a little overexuberant. Again, I'm sorry that it happened and we respect the game too much to demean it, either in victory or defeat."
Well, he could have said that, but every word would have been a lie through his teeth. But still better than being like "hey, what's the big deal? move on. next topic."
There is a huge difference in us playing the 'prevent offense' with a 10-15 point lead and 5-8 minutes left, versus Detroit's much larger lead and still going full throttle. We call for Bryce to step on the opposition's neck when he does the prevent and only a 10 point lead, not when we are up by 20.
After seeing Vanderbilt come back on Kentucky and St. Mary's come back on Gonzaga last night, I think its fine to keep going a bit, especially with 10 minutes to play. Is it likely that they will come back and be in range to win the game? No. But it is possible. They did seem to pull some starters out before Ray too. I would also argue that a large lead with 10 minutes left is not the same as a lead with 4 minutes left.
When a comeback is statistically impossible?
I don't think you understand how safe a statistically insurmountable lead is.
Check that. don't think you know you don't.
Oh know you don't.
UDM 'monitoring the landscape' in conference realignment
http://www.freep.com/article/20130108/SPORTS08/301080105/College-basketball-roundup-Titans-might-be-tempted-to-look-beyond-Horizon (http://www.freep.com/article/20130108/SPORTS08/301080105/College-basketball-roundup-Titans-might-be-tempted-to-look-beyond-Horizon)
No disrespect intended but Detroit receiving an invitation to join the C7 would require divine intervention.
Quote from: HorizonFan on January 11, 2013, 03:19:51 PM
After seeing Vanderbilt come back on Kentucky and St. Mary's come back on Gonzaga last night, I think its fine to keep going a bit, especially with 10 minutes to play. Is it likely that they will come back and be in range to win the game? No. But it is possible. They did seem to pull some starters out before Ray too. I would also argue that a large lead with 10 minutes left is not the same as a lead with 4 minutes left.
A 30 point lead with 10 minutes left is not a large lead. It's a humongous lead.
Understand, if the team that's up *wants* to lose, they absolutely can. There's even plenty of time to make it look "good." But assuming they don't want to lose, it is damn near impossible to lose a 30 point lead with 10 minutes to go. It takes too long to score against a team that wants to win for that.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 11, 2013, 06:16:17 PMA 30 point lead with 10 minutes left is not a large lead. It's a humongous lead.
Understand, if the team that's up *wants* to lose, they absolutely can. There's even plenty of time to make it look "good." But assuming they don't want to lose, it is damn near impossible to lose a 30 point lead with 10 minutes to go. It takes too long to score against a team that wants to win for that.
I wish you had explained this to me before Butler gave up 23 of the 29 point lead they had against UNC. I guess I was nervous for no reason! ;)
Quote from: wh on January 11, 2013, 06:01:50 PM
UDM 'monitoring the landscape' in conference realignment
http://www.freep.com/article/20130108/SPORTS08/301080105/College-basketball-roundup-Titans-might-be-tempted-to-look-beyond-Horizon (http://www.freep.com/article/20130108/SPORTS08/301080105/College-basketball-roundup-Titans-might-be-tempted-to-look-beyond-Horizon)
No disrespect intended but Detroit receiving an invitation to join the C7 would require divine intervention.
I guess as far fetched as it seems on the surface, there may be a fit of sorts for Detroit. Adding Xavier--major market-Cincinatti, Detroit-major market-Detroit and Creighton--major market??, brings the total to 9. Butler doesn't makes sense simply because it isn't a catholic school. Another midwestern fit might be Loyola which of course adds to the Chicago market and brings the total to 10. Not a bad conference. None of the group plays D1 scholarship football and in that sense Loyola and Detroit do fit.
So what happens to the rest of the Horizon league in this free for all? Well, YSU belongs in the MAC, Wright State could join the OVC, CSU could go to the Northeast, UIC, Green Bay and Milwaukee to the Summit, and Valpo? To the Valley. Weirder things have happened.
Quote from: zvillehaze on January 11, 2013, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 11, 2013, 06:16:17 PMA 30 point lead with 10 minutes left is not a large lead. It's a humongous lead.
Understand, if the team that's up *wants* to lose, they absolutely can. There's even plenty of time to make it look "good." But assuming they don't want to lose, it is damn near impossible to lose a 30 point lead with 10 minutes to go. It takes too long to score against a team that wants to win for that.
I wish you had explained this to me before Butler gave up 23 of the 29 point lead they had against UNC. I guess I was nervous for no reason! ;)
Lol, now I remember that game ;)
Actually, a 29 point lead with 11:56 to go is not quite statistically safe.
If you don't wait until possession change, the 15 point lead with 2:11 to go was statistically safe, but when Bullock drained the 3 3 seconds later, it was unsafe again. Andrew Smith's layup with 1:50 to go made it safe again, but the foul by Smith 7 seconds later followed by an immediate Fromm turnover made it unsafe again when Paige made a layup 3 seconds after that. Stigall's foul made that a 3pt play. When Stigall split FTs with 38 seconds to go, it became safe again (10 pt lead), this time finally for good.
So, actually, you didn't sweat for nothing after all. 2 minutes means a world of difference ;)
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 11, 2013, 09:41:27 PM
Quote from: zvillehaze on January 11, 2013, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 11, 2013, 06:16:17 PMA 30 point lead with 10 minutes left is not a large lead. It's a humongous lead.
Understand, if the team that's up *wants* to lose, they absolutely can. There's even plenty of time to make it look "good." But assuming they don't want to lose, it is damn near impossible to lose a 30 point lead with 10 minutes to go. It takes too long to score against a team that wants to win for that.
I wish you had explained this to me before Butler gave up 23 of the 29 point lead they had against UNC. I guess I was nervous for no reason! ;)
Lol, now I remember that game ;)
Actually, a 29 point lead with 11:56 to go is not quite statistically safe.
If you don't wait until possession change, the 15 point lead with 2:11 to go was statistically safe, but when Bullock drained the 3 3 seconds later, it was unsafe again. Andrew Smith's layup with 1:50 to go made it safe again, but the foul by Smith 7 seconds later followed by an immediate Fromm turnover made it unsafe again when Paige made a layup 3 seconds after that. Stigall's foul made that a 3pt play. When Stigall split FTs with 38 seconds to go, it became safe again (10 pt lead), this time finally for good.
So, actually, you didn't sweat for nothing after all. 2 minutes means a world of difference ;)
I know that I was very nervous ... thanks for confirming that I was statistically justified. ;D
Quote from: vu72 on January 11, 2013, 08:00:15 PM
Quote from: wh on January 11, 2013, 06:01:50 PM
UDM 'monitoring the landscape' in conference realignment
http://www.freep.com/article/20130108/SPORTS08/301080105/College-basketball-roundup-Titans-might-be-tempted-to-look-beyond-Horizon (http://www.freep.com/article/20130108/SPORTS08/301080105/College-basketball-roundup-Titans-might-be-tempted-to-look-beyond-Horizon)
No disrespect intended but Detroit receiving an invitation to join the C7 would require divine intervention.
I guess as far fetched as it seems on the surface, there may be a fit of sorts for Detroit. Adding Xavier--major market-Cincinatti, Detroit-major market-Detroit and Creighton--major market??, brings the total to 9. Butler doesn't makes sense simply because it isn't a catholic school. Another midwestern fit might be Loyola which of course adds to the Chicago market and brings the total to 10. Not a bad conference. None of the group plays D1 scholarship football and in that sense Loyola and Detroit do fit.
So what happens to the rest of the Horizon league in this free for all? Well, YSU belongs in the MAC, Wright State could join the OVC, CSU could go to the Northeast, UIC, Green Bay and Milwaukee to the Summit, and Valpo? To the Valley. Weirder things have happened.
Butler makes sense because of their reputation and ability to beat major BCS teams. I don't think that they are truly seeking a Catholic only league
Detroit lost at Cleveland State, fantastic!
I watched all of the Det-CSU game and CSU pretty much dominated the entire game. Now, we need to put them in their place at their place. Huge game. CSU looked entirely different than the team we played. Either we are really starting to play at the level we all expected or CSU played one hell of a game. In any event, beating CSU by 24 and then them beating Detroit by 12 or 14 may say something about our team or it just as well says a lot about the Horizon and how difficult it is to win on the road.
Detroits awful free throw shooting cost them the game. Regardless, they showed they are from invincible.
Quote from: HC on January 12, 2013, 07:22:31 PMDetroits awful free throw shooting cost them the game
Bingo!
13 for 32 from the free throw line. Wow! That's bad!
Quote from: bbtds on January 12, 2013, 08:16:30 PM
Quote from: HC on January 12, 2013, 07:22:31 PMDetroits awful free throw shooting cost them the game
Bingo!
13 for 32 from the free throw line. Wow! That's bad!
so that's what i was smelling this afternoon... :)
anyway, going back up a few posts... Loyola to the C7? You're forgetting DePaul is in the mix... and I don't think they need two Chicago Catholic Schools. Detroit leaving and Oakland coming in... we certainly get the better part of that deal...
As much as being in Detroit and Chicago help UD and LU, they don't have enough of a winning program to endear themselves to the C7. Maybe I will be proven wrong, but Depaul would be a much better addition than LU in Chicago, and would jump at the chance to stay with the better basketball teams. You will see a combination of some sort in Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Dayton, Xavier, St. Louis, or a few other teams, but not UD or LU.
In regards to the Detroit game today, it was very fun to watch the Ray's lose. Seeing them with their typical whining when things didn't go their way, has me hoping that we go into their place and steal one away by 10+. If they shoot that poorly from the FT line, they won't stand a chance against anyone. I think they pissed off the other HL teams in the classless way they beat down YSU. I don't think Slocumb is a good coach, but he deserved better than what Detroit did.
Let's not forget Evan Bruinsma in the classless category. During the rout of YSU he threw a flagrant elbow at Damian Eargle, then yesterday with only 7 seconds left in the game he flattened Junior Lomomba to foul out.
Quote from: valpopal on January 13, 2013, 09:33:46 AM
Let's not forget Evan Bruinsma in the classless category. During the rout of YSU he threw a flagrant elbow at Damian Eargle, then yesterday with only 7 seconds left in the game he flattened Junior Lomomba to foul out.
I'd be a little careful about saying that. Remember Evan's sister is playing volleyball for Valpo next year.
http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/3803535056097441938/rachel-bruinsma-signs-to-play-volleyball-at-valparaiso-to-become-first-ever-female-muskegon-western-michigan-christian-division-1-commit/ (http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/3803535056097441938/rachel-bruinsma-signs-to-play-volleyball-at-valparaiso-to-become-first-ever-female-muskegon-western-michigan-christian-division-1-commit/)
brother Evan Bruinsma is playing basketball at Division 1 University of Detroit Mercy.http://hssn-media.advance.net/MLive.com/news/43393ab797b1c9c037f02c72db02205e/BRUINSMAS.jpg (http://hssn-media.advance.net/MLive.com/news/43393ab797b1c9c037f02c72db02205e/BRUINSMAS.jpg)
By the way, Rachel is the one in this family photo that is wearing a white Detroit Titan t-shirt.
Quote from: bbtds on January 13, 2013, 09:55:41 AMRemember Evan's sister is playing volleyball for Valpo next year.
so tell her not to elbow people on the way to class then.
Quote from: valpotx on January 13, 2013, 02:24:29 AM
As much as being in Detroit and Chicago help UD and LU, they don't have enough of a winning program to endear themselves to the C7. Maybe I will be proven wrong, but Depaul would be a much better addition than LU in Chicago, and would jump at the chance to stay with the better basketball teams.
You don't seem to get that DePaul is part of the catholic 7 already. Their addition is not up to debate. They are one of the 7 schools picking who the final 5 additions will be. Butler and Xavier have already unofficially been invited. The final 3 teams are most likely Dayton, St Louis, and Creighton. There are a few other teams being mentions but those are the teams you hear the most. The only people that are talking about Loyola and Detroit are fans of Loyola and Detroit. My Raiders have about as much chance of getting an invite to the Big 10 as those 2 getting an invite to the new Catholic 7 conference.
Quote from: Big D on January 13, 2013, 12:33:37 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 13, 2013, 02:24:29 AM
As much as being in Detroit and Chicago help UD and LU, they don't have enough of a winning program to endear themselves to the C7. Maybe I will be proven wrong, but Depaul would be a much better addition than LU in Chicago, and would jump at the chance to stay with the better basketball teams.
You don't seem to get that DePaul is part of the catholic 7 already. Their addition is not up to debate. They are one of the 7 schools picking who the final 5 additions will be. Butler and Xavier have already unofficially been invited. The final 3 teams are most likely Dayton, St Louis, and Creighton. There are a few other teams being mentions but those are the teams you hear the most. The only people that are talking about Loyola and Detroit are fans of Loyola and Detroit. My Raiders have about as much chance of getting an invite to the Big 10 as those 2 getting an invite to the new Catholic 7 conference.
I thought promotions had to be earned, or is that old school thinking replaced by the current entitlement mentality?
Quote from: wh on January 13, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
I thought promotions had to be earned, or is that old school thinking replaced by the current entitlement mentality?
What?
Quote from: Big D on January 13, 2013, 03:24:22 PM
Quote from: wh on January 13, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
I thought promotions had to be earned, or is that old school thinking replaced by the current entitlement mentality?
What?
I'm supporting your comment that no one is talking about Detroit and Loyola moving to the C7 except Detroit and Loyola fans. The reason no one else is talking about it is because neither school has accomplished anything of note to earn any consideration whatsoever by a higher rated conference - unlike say Valpo did in EARNING an invitation to join the HL or Butler did in EARNING an invitation to join the A-10. And yet, D & L fans think they should be considered for something better just because they're Catholic and located in large cities - never mind that their athletic programs are mediocre, at best. It's the same entitlement mentality shared by a world of underachievers and "victims" in today's society.
Quote from: wh on January 13, 2013, 05:16:01 PM
I'm supporting your comment that no one is talking about Detroit and Loyola moving to the C7 except Detroit and Loyola fans. The reason no one else is talking about it is because neither school has accomplished anything of note to earn any consideration whatsoever by a higher rated conference - unlike say Valpo did in EARNING an invitation to join the HL or Butler did in EARNING an invitation to join the A-10. And yet, D & L fans think they should be considered for something better just because they're Catholic and located in large cities - never mind that their athletic programs are mediocre, at best. It's the same entitlement mentality shared by a world of underachievers and "victims" in today's society.
Unfortunately, that isn't the way it always works. Do you think the Big 10 is adding Rutgers or Maryland based on what they have done on the football field? The big conferences are adding teams right now to a large part to gain media markets so they can sign bigger TV contracts. Even smaller conferences like the HL are looking at teams for other reasons besides "what they have earned." Evansville is being considered in HL expansion. If it was based on what they have done on the court, they would not even be in the discussion. This is their 19th year in the MVC. They have made it to the dance once in that time frame (1998/99) and they have only had winning records 6 out of those seasons. There are only 2 reasons they are being considered: their location and they are private. Unfortuately, the private schools in the HL care much more about maintaining a certain private/public school mix than they do about what those teams have earned on the court.
Quote from: Big D on January 13, 2013, 05:59:48 PM
Quote from: wh on January 13, 2013, 05:16:01 PM
I'm supporting your comment that no one is talking about Detroit and Loyola moving to the C7 except Detroit and Loyola fans. The reason no one else is talking about it is because neither school has accomplished anything of note to earn any consideration whatsoever by a higher rated conference - unlike say Valpo did in EARNING an invitation to join the HL or Butler did in EARNING an invitation to join the A-10. And yet, D & L fans think they should be considered for something better just because they're Catholic and located in large cities - never mind that their athletic programs are mediocre, at best. It's the same entitlement mentality shared by a world of underachievers and "victims" in today's society.
Unfortunately, that isn't the way it always works. Do you think the Big 10 is adding Rutgers or Maryland based on what they have done on the football field? The big conferences are adding teams right now to a large part to gain media markets so they can sign bigger TV contracts. Even smaller conferences like the HL are looking at teams for other reasons besides "what they have earned." Evansville is being considered in HL expansion. If it was based on what they have done on the court, they would not even be in the discussion. This is their 19th year in the MVC. They have made it to the dance once in that time frame (1998/99) and they have only had winning records 6 out of those seasons. There are only 2 reasons they are being considered: their location and they are private. Unfortuately, the private schools in the HL care much more about maintaining a certain private/public school mix than they do about what those teams have earned on the court.
Evansville also has a long history of being a rival of Valpo in the old Indiana Collegiate Conference (that is also where Valpo had a long history as a rival with Butler). To me that is a very good reason to include Evansville in the HL because it renews an old rivalry for the Crusaders with the Purple Aces that goes back many years. I don't care nearly that much about what their record was in the MVC. I'm not sure if you would understand how deep that rivalry went. Those sleeve uniforms were historic and reminded Valpo fans of their rivlary with those dreaded purple guys from Evansville.
Quote from: bbtds on January 13, 2013, 08:17:36 PMEvansville also has a long history of being a rival of Valpo in the old Indiana Collegiate Conference
3rd most common opponent overall, suggests google? With Butler number one, of course. Not sure about number two.
Quote from: agibson on January 13, 2013, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: bbtds on January 13, 2013, 08:17:36 PMEvansville also has a long history of being a rival of Valpo in the old Indiana Collegiate Conference
3rd most common opponent overall, suggests google? With Butler number one, of course. Not sure about number two.
My guess would be another member of the old ICC, most likely St. Joe of Rensselaer, IN for #2 most common opponent.
Quote from: bbtds on January 13, 2013, 08:17:36 PM
I'm not sure if you would understand how deep that rivalry went. Those sleeve uniforms were historic and allows reminded Valpo fans of their rivlary with those dreaded purple guys from Evansville.
I can still see Jerry Sloan and Larry Humes playing in the old Hilltop Gym (expanded in 1962) with those sleeve tops. Damn, they were good. And so were we, but not good enough.
Quote from: bbtds on January 13, 2013, 09:37:04 PMMy guess would be another member of the old ICC, most likely St. Joe of Rensselaer, IN for #2 most common opponent.
Right you are!
Here's a quick riff from the Record Book. Maybe these are the numbers at the end of last season, and maybe I've made some mistakes, etc..
Valpo's most-played opponents.
36-67 Butler
52-35 St. Joseph's (IN)
17-65 Evansville
29-50 Indiana State
27-37 Western Michigan
28-31 Ball State
34-23 Western Illinois
33-18 Depauw
16-29 UIC
16-26 Green Bay
31-10 Wheaton
3-37 Notre Dame
11-28 Cleveland State
10-28 Loyola (Chicago)
16-20 Eastern Illinois
26-8 Youngstown State
30-3 Chicago State
11-22 Manchester
21-9 UMKC
13-15 Washington (Missouri)
5-21 Marquette
8-18 Saint Viator
12-13 Oral Roberts
10-14 Northern Illinois
2-22 Northern Iowa
12-11 Milwaukee
16-7 Southern Utah
Whoops, forgot that Depaul was already included, my bad.
Looking at our records against most common foes, one really bites at me...ORU. We probably won't ever see them again, much like we won't Butler. I would love to schedule them just to even the record. Also, I didn't know our record against Evansville was so poor. Looking at some of these just shows how far we have come as a program in D-1.
Quote from: valpotx on January 14, 2013, 11:34:30 AMI didn't know our record against Evansville was so poor.
You have to remember that when Evansville was in the "college" division of NCAA basketball (basically Div.II before they categorized them in numbered divisions) the Purple Aces competed for the National championship almost every year. Evansville won national championships in the college division in 1959, 1960, 1964 and 1965. Those were the golden years of Evansville basketball. By the way, did anyone notice that Evansville is 4-1 in the MVC this year and recently beat Wichita State at the Ford Center in downtown Evansville. Colt Ryan had a game high 24 points.Yep, your right, BigDWSU, Evansville would not be that great of an addition to the Horizon League. ::)
Quote from: historyman on January 14, 2013, 12:39:25 PM
By the way, did anyone notice that Evansville is 4-1 in the MVC this year and recently beat Wichita State at the Ford Center in downtown Evansville. Colt Ryan had a game high 24 points.
Yep, your right, BigDWSU, Evansville would not be that great of an addition to the Horizon League. ::)
I didn't know conference chanpionships were decided the second week of January. Thanks for the heads up. I need to buy my NCAA tournament tickets since my Raiders are 4-0 in the HL. ;)
Seriously though, Evansville hasn't earned their place in HL expansion discussion. They are having a good first half to this season, but they have not done anything in years. As I already mentioned they only have 1 trip to the NCAAs and a hand full of winning seasons since they left the HL. There are several schools the HL is looking at that have much better resumes but will probably get passed over because the 3 private schools in the HL are fixated on adding more private schools. It will be a shame if we end up passing on a school like Murray State for a school like Evansville just because they are private and had a rivalry with you decades ago.
On thing Evansville does have is significantly higher per game attendance than any current Horizon team. Murray State would be a great addition but seems unlikely because of football.
Evansville compares very favorably to many current Horizon League programs. Marty Simmons has the program moving in the right direction, they have a great new downtown arena and are in the process of building a new on-campus practice facility. As Pathfinder pointed out, they also draw better than current Horizon League schools.
However, that doesn't necessarily mean they would be a great addition. In the Horizon's official release, they indicated they would be looking to add schools which were "built for at-large" bids. Evansville, like most of the existing HL programs, isn't quite there yet.
It would appear the Horizon's goal for expansion is to achieve an upgrade, versus just adding more teams similar to what they already have.
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 14, 2013, 05:17:18 PM
Evansville compares very favorably to many current Horizon League programs. Marty Simmons has the program moving in the right direction, they have a great new downtown arena and are in the process of building a new on-campus practice facility. As Pathfinder pointed out, they also draw better than current Horizon League schools.
However, that doesn't necessarily mean they would be a great addition. In the Horizon's official release, they indicated they would be looking to add schools which were "built for at-large" bids. Evansville, like most of the existing HL programs, isn't quite there yet.
It would appear the Horizon's goal for expansion is to achieve an upgrade, versus just adding more teams similar to what they already have.
Conversely, Belmont had lower avg. attendance (2012/game) than any HL team last year, even though they were 27-8 and went to the NCAA tournament. They also closed out the regular season on a 14-game winning streak. Obviously, the city of Nashville has not embraced their program. I can't even find a fan message board.
2012 team-by-team attendance listing:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/e56d5f804b32962ba65bf7d0ae33e5ab/11-12+BB+Attendance.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=e56d5f804b32962ba65bf7d0ae33e5ab (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/e56d5f804b32962ba65bf7d0ae33e5ab/11-12+BB+Attendance.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=e56d5f804b32962ba65bf7d0ae33e5ab)
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 13, 2013, 09:56:42 PM
Quote from: bbtds on January 13, 2013, 08:17:36 PM
I'm not sure if you would understand how deep that rivalry went. Those sleeve uniforms were historic and allows reminded Valpo fans of their rivlary with those dreaded purple guys from Evansville.
I can still see Jerry Sloan and Larry Humes playing in the old Hilltop Gym (expanded in 1962) with those sleeve tops. Damn, they were good. And so were we, but not good enough.
And don't forget the floor length warm-ups Jackets not pants!). They were in a class of their own, including some national championships.
Quote from: Big D on January 14, 2013, 02:23:16 PMQuote from: historyman on January 14, 2013, 12:39:25 PMBy the way, did anyone notice that Evansville is 4-1 in the MVC this year and recently beat Wichita State at the Ford Center in downtown Evansville. Colt Ryan had a game high 24 points. Yep, your right, BigDWSU, Evansville would not be that great of an addition to the Horizon League. ::)
I didn't know conference chanpionships were decided the second week of January. Thanks for the heads up. I need to buy my NCAA tournament tickets since my Raiders are 4-0 in the HL. ;) Seriously though, Evansville hasn't earned their place in HL expansion discussion. They are having a good first half to this season, but they have not done anything in years. As I already mentioned they only have 1 trip to the NCAAs and a hand full of winning seasons since they left the HL. There are several schools the HL is looking at that have much better resumes but will probably get passed over because the 3 private schools in the HL are fixated on adding more private schools. It will be a shame if we end up passing on a school like Murray State for a school like Evansville just because they are private and had a rivalry with you decades ago.
Where did I say anything about a conference championship? We all know that Wright State has benefited greatly from the schedule so far and barely beat Milwaukee at the Nutter Center and Loyola in Chicago. The Raiders could easily be 2-2 in conference. I also did not say Murray State should be passed on for HL membership just to get Evansville in the HL. Why couldn't both Evansville and Murray State join the Horizon League? I really think you have a huge chip on your shoulder about the private schools in the Horizon League. The only reason you don't want Evansville in the Horizon League is because they are a private school. Just admit it.
Quote from: historyman on January 14, 2013, 11:40:41 PM
I really think you have a huge chip on your shoulder about the private schools in the Horizon League. The only reason you don't want Evansville in the Horizon League is because they are a private school. Just admit it.
As I have said multiple times, all I care about is that we get the 3 best programs for the HL. I don't care if they are all private, all public, or a mix. I want the 3 best teams.
Out of the schools we have a legit shot at, I want 1) Murray State, 2) Belmont, 3) Oakland or Robert Morris. Two of those four are private. All of those schools have MUCH MUCH better resumes than Evansville. Since 2000, Murray State has made it to the NCAA tournament 5 times and advanced to the second round twice. Belmont also made it to the NCAA tournament 5 times and advanced to the second round twice. Oakland has made it to the NCAA tournament 3 times. Robert Morris has made it to the NCAA tournament 2 times. In that time frame, Evansville has only had 2 winning seasons (and in their best year they only won 17 games). I don't know why they are even in the discussion compared to the teams they are going up against.
Because no one cares about Robert Morris. It's outside the footprint, and...heck, even Robert Morris doesn't care about Robert Morris (attendance 1441 last year). Hell, Milwaukee has a team only Paris Gulley's parents could love and they average SIXTY PERCENT MORE than that this year.
Evansville: over four times RMU (5135). Matter of fact, they school everyone in the HL in that department.
(Although, BigD, you add your attendance PLUS Robert Morris and you have more than Evansville...)
And Robert Morris has the same amount of Big Dance tickets as Evansville in the last 20 years. Yeah, they've been good since 2007, but they don't have the history that says they'll stay that way.
What about the other sports? I know this is an orange round ball conversation socket... but with 14-15 other sports to consider, the travel to Evansville puts them ahead of Belmont or Murray State for every HL Team, and the new Evansville arena is a nice venue. I'm not sure Belmont will ever be a big draw in N'ville... they are virtually across the street from Vandy. I can't help but ponder if Saint Louis is back in the mix; with the passing of Majerus; they may be looking to refocus on the midwest, especially if Butler were to leave the A-17...the Billikens would be a geographic outsider.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 15, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
Because no one cares about Robert Morris. It's outside the footprint, and...heck, even Robert Morris doesn't care about Robert Morris (attendance 1441 last year). Hell, Milwaukee has a team only Paris Gulley's parents could love and they average SIXTY PERCENT MORE than that this year.
Evansville: over four times RMU (5135). Matter of fact, they school everyone in the HL in that department.
(Although, BigD, you add your attendance PLUS Robert Morris and you have more than Evansville...)
And Robert Morris has the same amount of Big Dance tickets as Evansville in the last 20 years. Yeah, they've been good since 2007, but they don't have the history that says they'll stay that way.
You sir need to learn how to use mapquest. Robert Morris is an hour away from YSU, so they are natural travel partners. The only more perfect travel partners would be Oakland for Detroit. Evansville is about 5 hours away from the Valpo or 4.5 hours away from WSU. How exactly are the more in the footprint of the HL than Robert Morris? Belmont and Murray State are the worst geographic fits for the HL, but they at least bring some name recognition and recent history of NCAA tournament success.
You want to make an argument that Robert Morris has only been good since 2007 so they don't have much history to prove that they can maintain that. What about Evansville? They haven't been good for 20 years. Isn't that enough proof that they are not going to be good? They have a better average attendance than anyone in the HL. They spend more on basketball than most teams in the HL. They have had the recruiting advantage of being able to tell recruits they are in the MVC. What has any of that done for them? Why on god's earth would you want to add them to the conference?
Eh, let me put it this way: I'd rather have them than YSU.
Or WSU for that matter.
What have you done in the last 20 years? Really lighting the world on fire, aren't you?
Maybe compare your 20-year record with Evansville's and get back to me.
EDIT: I don't know how good your math department is, so:
since WSU joined the Mid-Con in '91-92
Evansville: 314 wins. 3 NCAAs, 4 other postseason tourneys.
You: 314 wins. 2 NCAAs.
Face it...if you can get an HL invite, who are you to deny Evansville?
It's interesting that we mostly manage to treat each other civilly, but then every once in a while someone sort of unloads on a visitor.
Eh, if you're going to play a road game, you can't expect any love from the home fans, now, can you?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 15, 2013, 10:18:41 PM
Eh, let me put it this way: I'd rather have them than YSU.
Or WSU for that matter.
What have you done in the last 20 years? Really lighting the world on fire, aren't you?
Maybe compare your 20-year record with Evansville's and get back to me.
EDIT: I don't know how good your math department is, so:
since WSU joined the Mid-Con in '91-92
Evansville: 314 wins. 3 NCAAs, 4 other postseason tourneys.
You: 314 wins. 2 NCAAs.
Face it...if you can get an HL invite, who are you to deny Evansville?
You can continue to insult me as much as you like but I think everyone can see that you know you are wrong and are just trying to change the subject. Answer the question. WHY SHOULD THE HL ADD EVANSVILLE OVER ANY OF THE FOUR TEAMS I MENTIONED ABOVE?
I already made the case over RMU, and I made the case over WSU.
You're like a trailer park complaining that a duplex wants to set up next door, and you'd rather have the mobile home community.
A better question is, why would the duplex want to move from their gated community next to your trailer park?
What Big D may have forgotten (not sure--don't want to insult anybody ;)) but the reason Murray and Belmont and Oakland for that matter, have better NCAA/records than Evansville may have much to do with their compitition level. MSU may want to join the Horizon because they are clearly the top dog in the OVC and would want to step up in league quality. Evansville may want to join us because playing in the Valley has been very difficult because of the quality of that conference. Just an observation--who knows.
Quote from: vu72 on January 16, 2013, 09:01:32 AMWhat Big D may have forgotten (not sure--don't want to insult anybody ;)) but the reason Murray and Belmont and Oakland for that matter, have better NCAA/records than Evansville may have much to do with their compitition level. MSU may want to join the Horizon because they are clearly the top dog in the OVC and would want to step up in league quality. Evansville may want to join us because playing in the Valley has been very difficult because of the quality of that conference. Just an observation--who knows.
Very valid observation....very valid point......
What It seems that BigD thinks that Apostle is more interested in adding private schools over the best program available, and Apostle feels the same about BigD, favoring publics over best available. I think you guys got off track somewhere in your perceptions of each other. What I THINK I'm hearing is you both want exactly the same thing- the best available programs we can add. Period. True?
Verily, public or private, nay, I careth not.
Hm...
Although now that I think about that....a simple dichotomy but one that speaks volumes.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 16, 2013, 01:52:45 PM
Verily, public or private, nay, I careth not.
Good. If BigD feels the same, you guys can agree to agree and move on. ;)
OVER? WAS IT OVER WHEN THE TITANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?
it can't be over until he admits that Wright State is certainly in no position to cast aspersions on Evansville. That's what we'll never agree on, apparently...
Quote from: Big D on January 16, 2013, 07:33:25 AMeveryone can see that you know you are wrong and are just trying to change the subject. Answer the question. WHY SHOULD THE HL ADD EVANSVILLE OVER ANY OF THE FOUR TEAMS I MENTIONED ABOVE?
Well, I'll let Evansville do my talking for me on Saturday, Big D.
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Quote from: VULB#62 on January 13, 2013, 09:56:42 PM
Quote from: bbtds on January 13, 2013, 08:17:36 PM
I'm not sure if you would understand how deep that rivalry went. Those sleeve uniforms were historic and allows reminded Valpo fans of their rivlary with those dreaded purple guys from Evansville.
I can still see Jerry Sloan and Larry Humes playing in the old Hilltop Gym (expanded in 1962) with those sleeve tops. Damn, they were good. And so were we, but not good enough.
Yes, but just a few years later 1966 Valpo did beat then reigning champs Evansville at Hill top gym (packed too).
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 21, 2013, 09:04:11 AM
Quote from: Big D on January 16, 2013, 07:33:25 AMeveryone can see that you know you are wrong and are just trying to change the subject. Answer the question. WHY SHOULD THE HL ADD EVANSVILLE OVER ANY OF THE FOUR TEAMS I MENTIONED ABOVE?
Well, I'll let Evansville do my talking for me on Saturday, Big D.
Way to go out on a limb picking the outcome of that game. ::) It's not like the outcome would have been different if our top 2 players were not sitting out with injuries.
Quote from: Big D on February 26, 2013, 06:15:56 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 21, 2013, 09:04:11 AM
Quote from: Big D on January 16, 2013, 07:33:25 AMeveryone can see that you know you are wrong and are just trying to change the subject. Answer the question. WHY SHOULD THE HL ADD EVANSVILLE OVER ANY OF THE FOUR TEAMS I MENTIONED ABOVE?
Well, I'll let Evansville do my talking for me on Saturday, Big D.
Way to go out on a limb picking the outcome of that game. ::) It's not like the outcome would have been different if our top 2 players were not sitting out with injuries.
Oh, boo hoo!
Youngstown's Kendrick Perry is out with an injury and Damian Eargle has been limited by injury recently. Yet, YSU won their bracketbuster game. Are you now scared of lowly Evansville joining the HL because they have beaten the Raiders and that puts the fear in you because that's another team that will be getting a higher seed in the HL tournament than WSU?
Quote from: bbtds on February 26, 2013, 06:26:32 AMAre you now scared of lowly Evansville joining the HL because they have beaten the Raiders and that puts the fear in you because that's another team that will be getting a higher seed in the HL tournament than WSU?
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come on, BigD, if you had said that BEFORE the game, then you're understandably hedging your bet.
AFTER it you just look like a whiner, like if somehow instead you'd have pulled off the win you'd be crowing your head off, but...REALITY
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 26, 2013, 06:35:26 AM
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What the heck is that a picture/drawing of ? ? ? ? ? ?
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/x-all-the-y (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/x-all-the-y)
I'm watching Temple/Detroit on the Temple MBB website.
DUM led by as much as 11 in the first half.
18:21 of the second: DUM 41 - TU 38
(17:40)
DUM 41 TU 40
(13:45)
DUM 46 TU 44
(10:00)
DUM 53 TU 53
(7:30)
DUM 55 TU 57
(5:00)
DUM 65 TU 66
(3:30)
DUM 70 TU 69
(2:00)
DUM 74 TU 69
(1:47)
DUM 74 TU 71
(1;30)
DUM 74 TU 74
(56.3)
DUM 74 TU 77
While I don't want to increase their confidence, I would like to see Detroit win this game. Not often that Temple loses at home and with their higher RPI would be a great win for the conference. Having to work hard for the win would also deaden the legs of Detroit for Saturday's conference game.
Detroit has about as much energy in the second half of this Temple game as a Dollar Store battery. They are getting beat to every 50/50 ball and not running the floor at all.
Quote from: FWalum on February 28, 2013, 07:42:14 PM
Detroit has about as much energy in the second half of this Temple game as a Dollar Store battery. They are getting beat to every 50/50 ball and not running the floor at all.
Detroit is tied with 7 minutes to go. I will always support every HL team (even Detroit) against any and every OOC opponent. Conference loyalty! Go Titans!
Their defensive rotation has been HORRIBLE. They constantly seem to have 2 guys running at the 3 point shoot at the top of the key only to leave the corner 3 shooter WIDE open. What the %#&*.... They should be up by ten instead of only up 3. Go Detroit, beat the A10
DUM led by as much as 11 in the first half.
18:21 of the second: DUM 41 - TU 38
(17:40)
DUM 41 TU 40
(13:45)
DUM 46 TU 44
(10:00)
DUM 53 TU 53
(7:30)
DUM 55 TU 57
(5:00)
DUM 65 TU 66
(3:30)
DUM 70 TU 69
(2:00)
DUM 74 TU 69
(1:47)
DUM 74 TU 71
(1;30)
DUM 74 TU 74
(56.3)
DUM 74 TU 77
(27.6)
DUM 74 TU 77 Foul DUM
DUM 74 TU 78 No DUM TOs
(11.4)
DUM 76 TU 79 McCallum fouled but missed FT - Fouled TU
DUM 76 TU 81 (Impressive Temple band)
(1.4)
FINAL
DUM 78 TU 83
Detroit up 5 with 2:20 to go and Wyatt scores 12 points. Detroit goes down in flames. I don't know that I can blame Sr. for this one, just a lot of horrible decision making and lack of hustle by the players both on offense and defense.
Quote from: FWalum on February 28, 2013, 08:04:26 PMI don't know that I can blame Sr. for this one, just a lot of horrible decision making and lack of hustle by the players both on offense and defense.
A lack of hustle??? They are exhausted. They just played 3 games in 6 days. 2 of which where on the road. They don't have a bench, players are playing 37+ minutes. It was due to.
The Pavilion is almost a sell-out based on what I saw for available tickets, so tomorrow, DUM will see another packed house, but their #2 is secure and the best they can do is a conference tie which, aside from a banner, does not buy them anything. They probably flew back to Detroit late last night and will bus to Chicago today. Dozen donuts says, that despite the crowd, they pretty much mail it in - their legs are shot.
Impressive, anyway, to be tied, on the road, with 1m30 to play at a school that's in the top 1/3 of the A16.
Quote from: agibson on March 01, 2013, 08:32:52 AM
Impressive, anyway, to be tied, on the road, with 1m30 to play at a school that's in the top 1/3 of the A16.
Not bad, but Temple is only ranked 56th in the Sagarins while we are ranked 76th and Detroit 85th. I t would have been a nice win nonetheless.
Quote from: vu72 on March 01, 2013, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: agibson on March 01, 2013, 08:32:52 AM
Impressive, anyway, to be tied, on the road, with 1m30 to play at a school that's in the top 1/3 of the A16.
Not bad, but Temple is only ranked 56th in the Sagarins while we are ranked 76th and Detroit 85th. I t would have been a nice win nonetheless.
That would have been a very nice road win. Temple is currently #39 in RPI and showing up as a 10 to 12 seed in most mock brackets. Detroit was in control until the final two minutes.
It was clear that they matched up athletically. They are good. It'll take a heck of an effort for us to beat them in the HLT. And Junior is only a junior. He'll be, hands down, the face of the HL next year as much as I hate to say it. That will be big for HL exposure. And they lose "only" Minerath and Anderson with 6th man Bruinsma moving into a starting role. They need to find that 5th starter. Any word on the recruiting class?
Totally off the mark. But only 1300+ attended senior night there? So sad. If I were looking to invite a school into my league, that kind of environment would turn me off and I'd look for a school that was more gung-ho.
Carlton Brundidge, who was one of UM's incoming frosh with Trey Burke, left after his freshman year and is sitting out currently. He'll be eligible next year, so they'll have someone to plug in if Jr. leaves, and for Calliste in any case.
McCallum-Brundidge-Bruinsma-Howard Jr-Wilson or Lippert...a good lineup regardless of recruits.
well...if McCallum comes back they'll be formidable, but if not, meh.
His Dad and the league need one more year from Junior, dont'cha think?
Is Calliste trying to leave for the draft after this year?
i'd say he needs to worry more about avoiding the Draft, but since he's a senior, well, yeah.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/players/playerpage/1714987/jason-calliste (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/players/playerpage/1714987/jason-calliste)
DUM BB website has him as redshirt junior.
http://www.detroittitans.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball (http://www.detroittitans.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball)
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Quote from: VULB#62 on March 01, 2013, 06:36:29 PMTotally off the mark. But only 1300+ attended senior night there? So sad. If I were looking to invite a school into my league, that kind of environment would turn me off and I'd look for a school that was more gung-ho.
That was their worst attendance of the season - winter weather; rain and sleet in the morning and afternoon forming a layer of ice, topped with 5-8" snow. Based on their typical draw for big games you would have anticipated 3000-3500 or so.
dude, it's ok to use the first person plural possessive pronoun on our board.
i already correct your posts in my head anyway.