Man..them Kernels is spoilin' fer a fight. They whupped up on Crowley's Ridge 97-31.
Eat your heart out Detroit
From last night's play by play:
9:34 43-70 Ben Boggs missed Three Point Jumper.
9:12 43-75 Jordan Coleman made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Erik Buggs.
8:33 43-75 LaVonte Dority missed Three Point Jumper.
6:19 47-82 LaVonte Dority made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Bobby Capobianco.
2:58 55-84 Ben Boggs missed Three Point Jumper.
1:34 57-86 Bobby Capobianco missed Three Point Jumper.
0:59 58-86 LaVonte Dority missed Dunk.
0:19 61-86 Will Bogan missed Three Point Jumper.
0:00 End Game
Not counting put backs, two-thirds of Valpo's shots in the last 10 minutes were 3 pointers or dunks. Good to see the dogs were called off once the game was in hand.
Quote from: Pathfinder on February 06, 2013, 08:07:45 AM
Not counting put backs, two-thirds of Valpo's shots in the last 10 minutes were 3 pointers or dunks. Good to see the dogs were called off once the game was in hand.
Three pointers were often result of running down the clock at the perimeter. The one dunk attempt near the end was promptly met by Dority being pulled from the game and lectured on the sideline by Bryce. I assure you Valpo, mostly made up of bench players the final ten minutes, restrained themselves in the last part of the game or the margin of victory could have been even more.
Not an excuse, but it was noted in pre-game articles that this was a homecoming of sorts for Dority against his Chicago playground/AAU buddies so a bit of that may have surfaced.
EKU Kernels what?
Valpo also didn't play Broekhoff or KVW for the last 14 minutes or so I think. I'm not 100% sure on that since I was working on getting my kids to bed.
Down to 3 home games, not including any tournament games.
Sounds like the EKU fans think they will be able to beat us down. I think that they will be in for a rude awakening this year...
Quote from: HC on February 06, 2013, 10:39:27 AMor KVW for the last 14 minutes or so I think.
KVW actually only played a minute before picking up his 4th foul. He never returned to the game.
I don't understand how Ray Jr. plays 35+ minutes in games that Detroit wins by 25+.
Quote from: valpotx on February 06, 2013, 10:53:05 AM
Sounds like the EKU fans think they will be able to beat us down. I think that they will be in for a rude awakening this year...
The sentiment over there points to them leveraging all of Valpo's TOs into points. They are defensive minded, I guess (jeeze, they held Crowley Ridge to 31 the other night ::) ), so that's what they think is the key to their win.
Quote from: HC on February 06, 2013, 10:39:27 AM
Valpo also didn't play Broekhoff or KVW for the last 14 minutes or so I think. I'm not 100% sure on that since I was working on getting my kids to bed.
Down to 3 home games, not including any tournament games.
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Our remaining schedule is brutal, with away games at Green Bay and WSU and no easy win at CSU the way they are playing (just beat YSU). The remaining home games are against the top contenders in Detroit and YSU. If we go 4-2 that will be very good. Anything better will be very tough, although I do feel like we are finally getting all the pieces in place. Hopefully our depth will wear down teams who have less of it as the season grinds on.
Quote from: valpotx on February 06, 2013, 10:53:05 AM
Sounds like the EKU fans think they will be able to beat us down. I think that they will be in for a rude awakening this year...
I think that was just one guy, and he coined the term "Valparsucko" or something like that... I wouldn't take that too seriously.
Edit: but I was impressed to see others speaking higher of the program. There was really only the one guy who had somewhat of a beef with Valpo.
Quote from: Pathfinder on February 06, 2013, 08:07:45 AM
From last night's play by play:
9:34 43-70 Ben Boggs missed Three Point Jumper.
9:12 43-75 Jordan Coleman made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Erik Buggs.
8:33 43-75 LaVonte Dority missed Three Point Jumper.
6:19 47-82 LaVonte Dority made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Bobby Capobianco.
2:58 55-84 Ben Boggs missed Three Point Jumper.
1:34 57-86 Bobby Capobianco missed Three Point Jumper.
0:59 58-86 LaVonte Dority missed Dunk.
0:19 61-86 Will Bogan missed Three Point Jumper.
0:00 End Game
Not counting put backs, two-thirds of Valpo's shots in the last 10 minutes were 3 pointers or dunks. Good to see the dogs were called off once the game was in hand.
Yet UIC outscored us 18-16 over that time span, even though we hit a couple of those threes. I don't think that qualifies as running up the score. Plus our bench players were getting most of the playing time.
EKU's rpi is now 70 according to realtimerpi and warrennolan. I am not sure which RPI figure the NCAA tourney utilizes, but I would believe it is this one versus the Sagarin rating. Hopefully they keep winning as we should, and it will be a good RPI boost leading into the conference tourney!
Amen to that! They have a better than 68% chance of winning their next three. We are by far their toughest game the rest of the way.
http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Eastern%20Kentucky.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Eastern%20Kentucky.html)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 11, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
Amen to that! They have a better than 68% chance of winning their next three. We are by far their toughest game the rest of the way.
http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Eastern%20Kentucky.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Eastern%20Kentucky.html)
I just looked up their next few opponents for the "Opponents' scoreboard" thread.
E.Kentucky>Tenn Tech @ EKU 2/14 7pm, Jacksonville St @ EKU 2/16 7pm, Austin Peay @ EKU 2/20 7pm.
All three games are home games against poor to middling OVC opponents.
Quote from: a3uge on February 06, 2013, 12:55:20 PM
Quote from: valpotx on February 06, 2013, 10:53:05 AM
Sounds like the EKU fans think they will be able to beat us down. I think that they will be in for a rude awakening this year...
I think that was just one guy, and he coined the term "Valparsucko" or something like that... I wouldn't take that too seriously.
Edit: but I was impressed to see others speaking higher of the program. There was really only the one guy who had somewhat of a beef with Valpo.
The guy that wrote that is actually an East Tennessee state fan that loves Belmont and has found our board, not sure how???
Nice job on the "kernels" never heard that one before. As far as the game goes I look for it to be a good one, if EKU is on I think you guys will be surprised
Quote from: EKU_SAE on February 21, 2013, 08:58:42 PMNice job on the "kernels" never heard that one before.
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I think that we will be 'on' for this game, and look for a double digit win. Granted, I know nothing about them, other than that they have a decent RPI, but play in an easier RPI conference (12 for HL, 15 for OVC after moving up 1 recently).
Valpo 75
EKU 63
I was sarcastic with the kernels comment, next you can use something about the Colonel and Kentucky fried Chicken, that's another opposing team favorite. What I meant by the "on" comment was if shots are falling, the post above says you guys will be on, if he knows a way to know the team is going to be hot take it to Vegas, can make a lot of money. You never know when two teams from different conf play, we played at Illinois tough, should have beat WVU, and then beat Murray on the road by 20, also had one horrible loss on the road at UT-Martin (let down after Belmont game). You just never know, I will be watching on TV sat and see then.
KNOW THINE ENEMY: Eastern Kentucky UWHERE THEY'RE AT:
20-6 (22-6 overall).
CONFERENCE: 11-3 OVC (the Other Valley Conference), good enough for 2nd in the E division, 1 game behind old friend Belmont
COMING OFF OF: A 6-game win streak (5-D1 wins) that followed two crushing losses--a home rematch vs Belmont at which they didn't avenge their earlier loss, followed by a gut-punch loss @ UT-Martin (the Milwaukee of the OVC)
WHADDATHEY THINK ABOUT 'EM?
RealTimeRPI:
69 (of 347 D-I) RealTime (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html) (VU 79)
RPIForecast:
71;
expected finish 67 RPIForecast (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Eastern%20Kentucky.html) (VU 79 current; expected finish 74)
Sagarin:
134 (!!!) with a rating of 74.72 Sagz (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkt1213.htm) (VU 78; 79.33)
ESPN / BPI:
103 with a rating of 62.3 (VU 73; 67.8 )
Average the 4 and come up with
94. (VU 77) Just as in the presidential election, we have two different sets of numbers telling us two different things about the 'candidates'. While RPI (backwards-looking) and BPI/Sag (predictive) both largely tell the same story about VU, the former says that EKU is better while the latter says decidedly not.
Like the election, only one can be proven right on Saturday.
WHAT ABOUT STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE?
201 (RealTimeRPI) (VU 188)
201 expected finish 169 (RPIForecast) (VU 187; expected finish 162)
308 (Sagarin) (VU 193)
247 (ESPN/BPI) (VU 138)
Average SOS
239 (VU avg. 176). See above: VU much more consensus than EKU...
COMMON OPPONENT
S:
@ Murray StateEKU: W 77-65, 1/9/13
VU: W 66-64, 12/29/12
CURRENT PREDICTIONS OF A COLONEL-CRUSADER BATTLE (now THERE's a name for the mascot "Colonel Crusader, sir!")
RealTimeRPI:@ VU 73-66 W :)
RPIForecast: @ VU VU favored by 7.8; VU 76% chance of win
optional mascot redesign improvement: Colonel Homestar Runner
(http://www.homestarrunner.com/wallpapers/armywallpaper3.jpg)
TAKEAWAYSWhile you may look at the lone common opponent and think, "whoa!", know that they played their best game of the season that day @ MSU (acc to BPI); the exact comparable level (94.4) would be our demolishing of UIC. On the flippity-flop, their worst performance, the gaffe of AlGore proportions @ UT-Martin was more than twice as bad (!!!) as our worst performance (vs. Loyola, of course): 7.3 game score to 15.4.
EKU is 0-4 vs. Top 100 teams; we are 1-3. Game preview forthcoming.
Quote from: EKU_SAE on February 22, 2013, 07:02:29 AM
I was sarcastic with the kernels comment, next you can use something about the Colonel and Kentucky fried Chicken, that's another opposing team favorite.
I don't know about the sarcastic part of
kernel from our perspective. I took it to mean "pieces of information" and thought it was a brilliant play on words by Crusadermoe. :clap:
I think EKU is just saying that he's heard this clever witticism a time or two before.
Even if it's not quite as bad as Alpo. (Do they still make that stuff?)
There is a kernel of truth in both of your thoughts. Hate to see this thread get corny though.
Quote from: agibson on February 22, 2013, 10:57:06 AM
Even if it's not quite as bad as Alpo. (Do they still make that stuff?)
http://www.purinastore.com/brands/alpo?gclid=CPu97NXRyrUCFYpDMgodqy4AmA (http://www.purinastore.com/brands/alpo?gclid=CPu97NXRyrUCFYpDMgodqy4AmA)
Yes, it's a Purina brand. Checkerboard Square and the Checkerdome and all.
Give your dog the meaty taste of today's Purina® ALPO® brand Dog Food. Our complete line of delicious wet food and crunchy dry food is sure to make your dog's face light up with excitement. Today's Purina® ALPO® feeding instructions: Measure, serve and get out of the way!
wow. so I don't know how I did it, but I accidentally closed my amazing game preview that I just spent way too long on.
the upshot: we're calling this game the COLONELOSCOPY.
they have a solid team. watch out for glenn miller cosey, 6-time OVC newcomer of the week.
they are #1 in the country in 2-pt %, #10 in eFG%! They are not sharp on defense (in our conference they'd only be ahead of CSU: Milwaukee, the new CBS crime drama being perpetrated on HL courts everywhere), but are #1 in their conference in turnovers, and we are still worse. (Though we'd still be ahead of 4 teams in their not-so-great conference.)
valpo by 8.
man that sucks. back to (real) work.
The game looks pretty evenly matched (no brilliant deduction). It may come down to who does a better job of scouting. For instance, OOC opponents have a tendency to play Erik straight-up, whereas conf. opponents practically leave him unguarded, dare him to shoot from the perimeter, etc. The lob over the top to Kevin works better vs. OOC opponents. Our double teams on low post players after they receive the entry pass often times catches OOC teams unaware. Conf. opponents have learned they don't dare play Ryan straight up, or put larger, slower defenders on him. There are other differences, as well. I'm sure EKU has similar things they like to exploit, which our scouting report will hopefully address. I think back to the Missouri State Bracket Buster game 2 years ago. They were as unprepared as any team I've seen come into the ARC in years. We had so many easy hoops where they were caught totally out of position that it was like taking candy from a baby. Conversely, New Mexico this year knew our tendencies as well as any HL opponent and stopped us cold.
ya and the spell check on this board can not spell Valpo, it changes Valpo to Alpo maybe it's on to something!! ;D Maybe it saw the last Detroit game? :o
Osipoff reports on a Broekhoff hip issue
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18411852-556/vu-excited-to-play-on-national-tv-but-conference-is-more-important.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18411852-556/vu-excited-to-play-on-national-tv-but-conference-is-more-important.html)
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Ryan Broekhoff has been dealing with a hip problem, and it flared up on Tuesday at Loyola, though he said it has been improving daily since and he expected to play against Eastern Kentucky.
"It's kind of been around for a little while, and the Loyola game, I came out of halftime ready to warm up, and it was just very tight and sore," he said. "I was able to finish the game out, so it's not a big worry or long-term sort of problem."
Valparaiso coach Bryce Drew was somewhat more cautious.
"We basically had to pull him out of practice (on Thursday), because he couldn't go full speed. We're not going to play a player who can't go full speed or is injured in a game.
"Obviously, it's not a good time for him to get hurt. That's why we're going to try to be smart with what to do with him and other guys that are a little banged up."
Well, I never thought I'd say this, but thank God. Only because this explains why he hasn't been RYAN BROEKHOFF as of late (I remember commenting on at least 2 games in chat recently that it seemed like he and Kenney switched jerseys most of the time).
Get better soon--we need you, and unfortunately 128 games have gone by so quickly, leaving just a few more. Like Michigan with Denard, we really value the moments most when they're gone for good, so let's make the most!
jordan coleman,,,,,,isn't that the girl player from belmont? she's a good player!
(http://cdn77.psbin.com/img/mw=150/mh=200/cr=n/d=mcnvg/861p00tnbmelgdir.jpg)
regardless, eku woops ya by 30 or more
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, that obviously has to be some sarcasm from an ETSU fan? It seemed like he is on EKUs board, and they mentioned that he was ETSU. Kind of interesting that he made it over here on our board. I imagine that they do play on Buggs, which could lead to a whooping. Looking at their schedule, they have barely played anyone difficult, and barely beaten some really poor teams, with some much worse losses than us. We have a few wins over crappy teams, but they basically play against CSU each game in their conference, outside of Belmont. Look at those RPIs!!! I mean, we aren't as solid as a North Carolina A&T (#263, loss on the road) or UT-Martin (#313, loss on the road)...lol. I definitely understand how their Sagarin rating is around 130
Quote from: One Last Buc Lineman on February 23, 2013, 12:40:59 AM
jordan coleman,,,,,,isn't that the girl player from belmont? she's a good player!
(http://cdn77.psbin.com/img/mw=150/mh=200/cr=n/d=mcnvg/861p00tnbmelgdir.jpg)
regardless, eku woops ya by 30 or more
I don't know how good she is, but she looks to have a better physique than anyone I saw in the EKU men's team picture.
GO BUCS!!!
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eku over valpo by 30 or more . . .
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Valpo is favored by 7.
How do ticket sales look? Do you think that we will get 4k+?
Checked ESPN3 really quick. Looks like most of the East/Midwest is blacked out and can only watch the game on ESPNU or live at the ARC. If you happen live west of the Central/Mountain time zone line though, you can still get it online at ESPN3
KL, I'm sure it will be on one of the bootleg sites too, regardless of the favorability towards popup ads and such.
Upper deck looks mostly empty on TV. :(
CC's maybe 1/3 full.
Pretty good crowd downstairs.
Half decent student section - not full.
Good god could we be any sloppier on offense? Let's get our heads out of our f---ing asses. EKU looks like crap and we're tied. Jesus.
Kenney got a tech
#3 penetrates the lane every time and it kills us. He drives and penetrates every time
Kenney's technical is inexcusable for a college player, let alone a senior. Absolutely ridiculous to throw it off of your opponent. That is thinking of only yourself, not the team
Up 10, should be up 20. I hope Bryce is extremely unsatisfied and has a plan to improve in the second half. I think EKU comes out MUCH tighter in the second half, they looked unsettled -- unfamiliar venue, early start time (11am their time) -- and I expect them be more comfortable and play better after the half. We better get our act together.
Quote from: valpotx on February 23, 2013, 12:57:21 PM
Kenney's technical is inexcusable for a college player, let alone a senior. Absolutely ridiculous to throw it off of your opponent. That is thinking of only yourself, not the team
I agree. He must have been frustrated but im surprised he had that in him. Lets see how we play with this lead, we gave 15 point lead to Detroit and almost gave another 15 point lead away at Loyola.
Quote from: rink on February 23, 2013, 01:03:15 PM
Up 10, should be up 20. I hope Bryce is extremely unsatisfied and has a plan to improve in the second half. I think EKU comes out MUCH tighter in the second half, they looked unsettled -- unfamiliar venue, early start time (11am their time) -- and I expect them be more comfortable and play better after the half. We better get our act together.
Minor correction 1PM their time. Hoping with you.
Still had way too many turnovers. We are lucky that they really aren't that good. Their record is highly misleading due to playing some REALLY crappy OOC and in-conference opponents. Still, we were able to pull out the large win that we should have, and are coming in on a high note to our home game against YSU. If both Perry and Eargle are out, you might as well just give the win to us.
Hey, when you shoot 70% from the field, 18 turnovers doesn't hurt so much. Add one to the W column and let's beat YSU!
Quote from: valpotx on February 23, 2013, 02:09:26 PM
Still had way too many turnovers. We are lucky that they really aren't that good. Their record is highly misleading due to playing some REALLY crappy OOC and in-conference opponents. Still, we were able to pull out the large win that we should have, and are coming in on a high note to our home game against YSU. If both Perry and Eargle are out, you might as well just give the win to us.
this is quite helpful going into the ysu game tuesday night. and i don't wanna be 'that' guy, but a win over the penguins clinches not only the #1 in the conference tourney, but also no worse than an nit appearance.
Not much to say about that half, pretty much stress free. EKU came out stronger, but we upped or game to match. Buggs was incredible in the second half, made life easy for the rest of the team. Wasn't crazy about taking the air out of the ball and passing 15 times before shooting with nine minutes left. Sorry to see Walden go out with the injury ... was crossing my fingers all game that noting like that would happen to us. Dinunno seems like a stud, maybe too unselfish? Seems like he constantly put himself in good position, dished to a teammate, and was let down by someone who couldn't finish.
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 23, 2013, 01:08:51 PM
Quote from: rink on February 23, 2013, 01:03:15 PM
Up 10, should be up 20. I hope Bryce is extremely unsatisfied and has a plan to improve in the second half. I think EKU comes out MUCH tighter in the second half, they looked unsettled -- unfamiliar venue, early start time (11am their time) -- and I expect them be more comfortable and play better after the half. We better get our act together.
Minor correction 1PM their time. Hoping with you.
D'oh, thanks for the correction. When the announcer said "morning start" for a noon game, I assumed she was an hour off because of some east coast bias or something, without really thinking.
Quote from: rink on February 23, 2013, 02:16:24 PMDinunno seems like a stud, maybe too unselfish?
7 for 18? could be a little more unselfish, i think. plus 3 AST to 3 TO.
but yeah, he's a great player. cosey didn't play like one though.
Quote from: valpotx on February 23, 2013, 12:57:21 PMKenney's technical is inexcusable for a college player, let alone a senior. Absolutely ridiculous to throw it off of your opponent. That is thinking of only yourself, not the team
In person it was a weird play. I've not seen a replay, but it sort of felt like he just bounced it off him reasonably lightly and was then sort of like, "Did I just do that?".
I saw an Osipoff tweet that said we were 15-2 after the T - not sure how far that went.
30-44 from the field. 68.2%. The best since...
The best in at least six years. We don't even have a game better than 60% every year.
Could it be our best FG% in a game, ever?
This was a real beat down. Our 22 point margin of victory was 11 points higher than any of their other losses. Our 82 point total was the 3rd most points scored by an EKU opponent this season. Belmont scored more on 2 occasions, but the margins of victory were much closer so they would not have called the dogs off early like we did today. And to think our 2 all-league 1st teamers Ryan and Kevin only played 20 minutes each. A dominating performance.
Nice to see Coleman get some playing time today. Still don't understand why he hasn't been playing more.
Quote from: chipper955 on February 23, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
Nice to see Coleman get some playing time today. Still don't understand why he hasn't been playing more.
I don't have "official" numbers, just what I've come up with through my own math, but in Horizon League play Coleman is something like a -50 in his time on the court and everyone else is positive. I think I had Lavonte second worst at like +25 and from there it's another big jump to the next of the guards. I know te coaches have access to the "official" stats, and I would think it's hard to justify playing a guy who - every time he gets on the court - the team loses ground.
I was very happy to see Coleman get some P.T. again... I am not sure about the stats. I just think it mixes things up a bit and gives us an option that allows us to rest others.
Buggs was awesome today - it does not all show in the stats but he did so much.
The Matt Kenny tech actually kind of made me laugh because I was like what just happened...
Enjoyed watching the game today.................
I think some of you are way undervaluing beating EKU. Those two guards, Walden (#2) and DiNunno (#3) were outstanding players and if Mike DiNunno had hit more of those long 2's and 3's it would have been a much closer game. DiNunno was 7-18 overall and 2-7 from three. He was outstanding at getting to the basket. I'm sure Northern Illinois wishes they still had Mike.
If we had played tighter defense on Walden and DiNunno, Stutz and one of the other big men would have been wide open for easy lay-ups. Although Valpo challenged every shot and the Colonels missed a lot of shots under the basket. It didn't seem like Valpo allowed any of EKU's shots to be easy. On the other hand Valpo shot the ball so well it would have been extremely tough for anyone to beat the Crusaders at home today.
Yes, again we had some bad turnovers, especially with Dority charging towards the basket and dishing it off too late or not in control. LaVonte must improve on the turnovers next year. Valpo finished with 18 turnovers but the Crusaders made up for it with spirited play for a full 40 minutes. They do seem to always get up and play well for the bracketbuster games. The student section really let us down for a TV game. Are we to the point of having too many TV games for this student section?
Totally agree on the student section.... Hate when they cut to any student section on TV and you see empty seats.
I know others are going to disagree but I don't think we should add one seat to the ARC until we figure out how to full the seats we have. This was an ESPN bracketbuster game (last one maybe) and what was the attendance?
How do we have empty seats in the student section... for a TV game, even?
Unless everyone was going to tennis, there were no other home Valpo contests to follow. Surely playing COD gets boring after awhile, why not go to basketball?
Quote from: chipper955 on February 23, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
Nice to see Coleman get some playing time today. Still don't understand why he hasn't been playing more.
Yes ... really odd that he's played in every game until he disappeared for three straight games, then reappeared today. Those around the game understand what that means, but don't expect to find out anything from the university or the media. When the "media" person covering the team is an employee of the university, just assume that tough questions won't be asked ... especially when said "media" member is also a Valpo grad and #1 fan of the program.
I was surprised by the low turnout, waiting for they uses from our current student posters. Hopefully they all show up Tuesday. Going to be a surreal night sending away this group on their final home regular season game.
Quote from: EddieCabot on February 23, 2013, 09:12:34 PM
Quote from: chipper955 on February 23, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
Nice to see Coleman get some playing time today. Still don't understand why he hasn't been playing more.
Yes ... really odd that he's played in every game until he disappeared for three straight games, then reappeared today. Those around the game understand what that means, but don't expect to find out anything from the university or the media. When the "media" person covering the team is an employee of the university, just assume that tough questions won't be asked ... especially when said "media" member is also a Valpo grad and #1 fan of the program.
Let's not pretend it's all Paul. Let me present some thoughts... There's more context than this. Valpo is a mid-major school that has a better chance to keep things like this on the "down low." I don't know what's up with Coleman. Maybe Oren knows and maybe Osipoff knows, but do they know on the record? Has Bryce said anything else on the record to them or anyone else other than more-or-less "I like the guys we have out there now?"
Can there be voluntary protection of matters like this to help a writers' own job security or conscience? It can happen. Will the team/department staff work to keep these things off the record and out of the way? It can happen, too. I don't have the full answer. I just think you can't just blame one writer with so many school ties for this. Speaking from my own media experience, I know these things aren't always black-and-white. It can be a tricky area...
"Can there be voluntary protection of matters like this to help a writers' own job security or conscience? It can happen. Will the team/department staff work to keep these things off the record and out of the way? It can happen, too. I don't have the full answer. I just think you can't just blame one writer with so many school ties for this. Speaking from my own media experience, I know these things aren't always black-and-white. It can be a tricky area..."
Yep. Sorry guys, but that's how it works. Some stuff stays off the record to protect a team from a competitive disadvantage, because of medical confidentiality. or to protect a team's image.
Paul, by his own admission, knows he's in a lose-lose situation. The school he covers also signs his checks. But he makes an honest effort to remain objective. If the answer was relevant and on the record, he'd report it.
Honestly, there is nothing to this story. Jordan Coleman is the 9th man on a team that uses an 8 man rotation. This didn't happen overnight. They've been playing mostly 8 all year. Dority missed the first month. Then Bryce tried to figure out the best 8. For a game or two Will Bogan played minimal minutes. Then Boggs and Coleman lost significant minutes. Look at the Wright State box from 5 weeks ago, both Boggs and Coleman only played 7 minutes. Then Boggs was completely out of the rotation. Then Matt Kenney was injured and missed two games. Boggs outplayed Coleman in those two games, and Coleman became the 9th man. Bryce answered the question when asked "It's not injury related, I like the way these guys are playing." Find a game all year that was not a blowout where more than 8 players played significant minutes. It just hasn't happened more than a couple times.
Quote from: KL31NY on February 23, 2013, 09:11:25 PM
How do we have empty seats in the student section... for a TV game, even?
Unless everyone was going to tennis, there were no other home Valpo contests to follow. Surely playing COD gets boring after awhile, why not go to basketball?
Despite the disappointing number of students attending, I took this picture of the players, who were led by Vashil, showing their appreciation for those who were there by storming the student section after the game:
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I give props to the students who do/did attend games. However, those that don't go to a Saturday game at noon on ESPNU, are not true fans. Only 3,300 for this game? That is just sad. Please give me an excuse again, such as, 'we have tests coming up,' or, 'it was too early for us exhausted students.' I have said it before, but if you can't handle full-time school work and attending your school's main sport (if you say that you are a fan), then I fear for your professional career, as it only gets rougher with full-time work, kids, etc.
Maybe I am just stuck in the 'glory days,' but we had much crappier competition come into the ARC when I was in school, and it was always 4k-4.5k+, even for the teams in conference that were out in Timbuktu, and NOT on TV. I will always remember my first visit to Valpo in the 1997-1998 school year (JR year of HS), in March of 1998. I hadn't yet injured my arm, so I was only visiting Valpo to appease my father on a Midwest baseball recruiting trip, since he played college ball in Minnesota. Valpo, Butler, Creighton, and Purdue were on the list, and I didn't think I would give serious consideration to any of them, as I was kicking butt and on the way to TCU, Baylor, Rice, or some other schools that were recruiting me in the Southwest. When we arrived at Valpo, we went to meet with Coach Twenge in the ARC, and there were a ton of students walking outside and around the ARC, shouting and cheering. Maybe my dad knew, but I had no clue that this was the same school that just won at the buzzer the day before in the NCAA tournament, until some of the students told me. Seeing the passion that the campus had left such an impression on me, that when I hurt my arm in the middle of my SR year of HS, I knew that I wanted to go to Valpo since the other schools dropped out of recruiting me for baseball, knowing I was about to have Tommy John surgery (back when the success rate was 40%). My FR redshirt year, and the 4 after, that passion never left the students. Whether we ended up 19-12 or 20+ wins, we went to the games. Hopefully we can have a great run to the NCAA, and win a game, as I would love to see that passion back with the student body...
From the Richmond (KY) Register:
OVC HOOPS: Colonels fall short at Valpo
http://richmondregister.com/localsports/x36428645/OVC-HOOPS-Colonels-fall-short-at-Valpo (http://richmondregister.com/localsports/x36428645/OVC-HOOPS-Colonels-fall-short-at-Valpo)
"They put four small guys out there on the court and really spread us out ... and really put us in scramble situations quite a bit. They just drove us to death," EKU coach Jeff Neubauer said in a radio interview. "They beat us north and south, meaning we did not guard one-on-one. Our guys did not do a great job with the help-side defense today. Valpo is a very good team. However we did not guard well enough here today."
Valpopal,
Thanks for the photo - I have always thought it was great that the players run over to the students after the game. I really hope that tradition continues.
Thanks again for the photos! :-)
I was a student 91-95 and I bet I only missed a couple games my entire time as a student. We were rarely if ever televised from the ARC. I negotiated with my professors AND yes I missed a class or two so I could catch a game. Just meant I had to work a little harder to catch up on the class I missed.
However, I am also disappointed in the valpo community for not supporting the team. If we can't fill the stands a little better than this on a Saturday ESPN game during a 20+ win season how will the stands look during a rebuilding year...
I'm done venting....
Will all the players have family at Tuesday's game? Sure hope so.
The lower tank was filled pretty good yesterday, but I did notice not as many families in the upper level.
KVWs parents are in town as is Koala. If they can make I assume/hope the other 4 seniors will have plenty of family in attendance Tuesday. Ill predict over 5,000 in attendance, oh and a win!
Quote from: wh on February 24, 2013, 06:10:08 AM
From the Richmond (KY) Register:
OVC HOOPS: Colonels fall short at Valpo
http://richmondregister.com/localsports/x36428645/OVC-HOOPS-Colonels-fall-short-at-Valpo (http://richmondregister.com/localsports/x36428645/OVC-HOOPS-Colonels-fall-short-at-Valpo)
"They put four small guys out there on the court and really spread us out ...
they DO grow 'em big on the farm down there if Rowdy is a "small guy".
wait a second, Stutz is as big as KVW (6'8). Rowdy (6'7) is bigger than Tarius Johnson (6'5).
Walden's their tallest guard at 6'2 (Cosey 6, DiNunno 5'11).
Kenney's our tallest guard at 6'4 (Bogan 6'1, Buggs 5'11).
just WHO is flooding Homer Court with all these small guys, anyway?
Or is Jeff Neubauer from the Gary Waters coaching tree?
Lack of families was probably caused a little bit by the ticket prices... They used the Detroit Prices for the BBuster game: $20/seat in the Upper Deck ($43.50 for front row chair backs)...
Quote from: valpotx on February 24, 2013, 02:11:33 AMHowever, those that don't go to a Saturday game at noon on ESPNU, are not true fans.
Does anyone really care any more about being on tv? Perhaps this isn't as big of a deal to the kids as it used to be. They came out for the big games that were meaningful which is the biggest deal to me. There are other things to do on campus, being a fan of the bball team might not be the same as it was when you and others were in school. I still see a huge increase of kids attendance in the past two years. Some performance groups are also on tour this weekend so that may have been a small dent in the empty space
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 24, 2013, 07:14:31 AMthey DO grow 'em big on the farm down there if Rowdy is a "small guy".
Yeah, I don't know if there were more minutes of "One of KVW, Rowdy, and Bobby, but not two" than in a typical game. I suppose with Rowdy playing only 20 minutes, there probably were.
But, if Boggs or Kenney are playing fourth in a smaller lineup, I don't know that they're acting like "small guys". But, I suppose this does feel like four guards.
Quote from: bbtds on February 23, 2013, 07:00:33 PMThey do seem to always get up and play well for the bracketbuster games.
For the bracketbuster games at home, at least! 5-0 at home, 0-4 on the road?
Quote from: talksalot on February 24, 2013, 07:39:27 AM
Lack of families was probably caused a little bit by the ticket prices... They used the Detroit Prices for the BBuster game: $20/seat in the Upper Deck ($43.50 for front row chair backs)...
Yeah - that wold be tough. Given the limited number of day games, I might have ponied up the cash, but $20 a piece for the upper mezzanine probably would have made me think twice. Too bad they couldn't have had one of the family day promotions - could perhaps have had a big crowd, well before even early bed times.
Quote from: agibson on February 23, 2013, 02:46:49 PM
30-44 from the field. 68.2%. The best since...
The best in at least six years. We don't even have a game better than 60% every year.
Could it be our best FG% in a game, ever?
Valpo Basketball @ValpoBasketball
The Crusaders shot 68.2% from the field today, their highest FG% in a game since shooting 68.8% in a win over Northern Ill. in January 1998.
Best in 15 years, not bad! And EKU's lowest in almost twelve months.
Quote from: talksalot on February 24, 2013, 07:39:27 AM
Lack of families was probably caused a little bit by the ticket prices... They used the Detroit Prices for the BBuster game: $20/seat in the Upper Deck ($43.50 for front row chair backs)...
IMO more than affecting the attendance problem "a little bit," ticket pricing
killed the attendance we should have had, which in turn killed the atmosphere and showing we should have made on national TV. How do I know ticket pricing was the culprit? Consider this:
---How many on this board - some of VU's most avid fans - were really pumped for this game? I know I wasn't. It's like 'E. Kentucky who?' They're a program no one knows anything about out of a low major conference we have no connection to or ever hear about, unless it's Belmont or Murray State. Contrast that with Missouri State 2 years ago. They were leading the MVC, a high ranking mid major conf. that everyone knows about, with teams we are familiar with like Evansville, Indiana State, Bradley, S. IL, etc.
---No one even started a game thread until the day before and even then it got very few posts- before, during or after.
---The pre game newspaper write-ups were boring - just some basic facts about an unknown opponent pulled from stat sheet.com or somewhere, followed by some less than enthusiastic quotes from Bryce Drew. I don't blame the writers or Bryce. They're no different than we are. It's hard to fake enthusiasm.
---As we all know, the whole Bracket Buster thing lost its luster a long time ago. Teams are more concerned about someone getting hurt than anything else. And, look what happened? EKU's best player goes down with a knee injury. Imagine how we would be feeling about now if that was Ryan.
---We all remember what happened 2 years ago after the MSU game - we ran out of gas, lost the conf. lead, and basically fell apart. More evidence to dampen enthusiasm about a basically meaningless game.
---The students are no different than we are. They simply were not interested.
---One personal point - I was going to bring several extended family members beyond our usual 3 - which I have done many times before - but when I found out the tickets were $20 each, I changed my mind and told everyone that we would do the group thing for the YSU game. Not that I couldn't have shelled out the cash, but I just thought this game simply is not worth what they're asking.
Quote from: wh on February 24, 2013, 08:55:36 AM---How many on this board - some of VU's most avid fans - were really pumped for this game?
all good points. I bought 2 tickets ages ago since last year I got crammed into aa when I waited until the last minute to get my tickets. I ended up having a hard time getting someone to come with me. a lot of the same reasons as you and we are all coming back on Tuesday for senior night.
I know you are all dying to find out... we did hit the 151,000 lifetime point total in the game yesterday... Bobby Capobianco with 8:16 to play scored the 68th point... for the magic number. we are now at 151,012 ...
So, are we saying that we will have a sellout for YSU? This will be a huge indication of student interest, as we are playing to clinch the #1 seed, host the conference tournament, and gain a huge advantage in getting back to the NCAA tournament. If they don't come out for that, then it is embarrassing.
I have faith that on Tuesday the place will be crazy...
Quote from: One Last Buc Lineman on February 23, 2013, 01:23:07 AM
GO BUCS!!!
eku over valpo by 30 or more . . .
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Just wondering. Relatively speaking, does this mean we actually won by
52? :lol:
That Mo St. game was also on my list of favorite games while being a student. Higher profile matchup, Dickie V, ESPN2, packed house, dominant performance, many of us had friends from Missouri that made the trip, it was a lot of fun! Of course, the following home game against Loyola was among my least favorite games to have attended, followed shortly by that Iona game in the "PB&J tournament" as BWood put it at Pepe's the night prior...still a lot of bitterness there...still a lot of bitterness about the end of the last two seasons really. Let's hope that trend does not continue.
According to the above pic, it doesn't seem like anybody shows up in Eastern Kentucky to see the them play either, why should we expect any differently? RPI wise, it made sense, but I think there would have been a bigger crowd if say, Ohio or even Evansville had been the match-up.
Quote from: govalpogo on February 24, 2013, 01:34:17 PM
That Mo St. game was also on my list of favorite games while being a student. Higher profile matchup, Dickie V, ESPN2, packed house, dominant performance, many of us had friends from Missouri that made the trip, it was a lot of fun! Of course, the following home game against Loyola was among my least favorite games to have attended, followed shortly by that Iona game in the "PB&J tournament" as BWood put it at Pepe's the night prior...still a lot of bitterness there...still a lot of bitterness about the end of the last two seasons really. Let's hope that trend does not continue.
According to the above pic, it doesn't seem like anybody shows up in Eastern Kentucky to see the them play either, why should we expect any differently? RPI wise, it made sense, but I think there would have been a bigger crowd if say, Ohio or even Evansville had been the match-up.
I was hoping to see a highlight slam in person yesterday, but No.23 didn't get into the game. I see he only averages 3.7 min/game, so that dunk may be his only highlight of the year.
I watched most of the Detroit game yesterday. They were overmatched. The matchups would have been better if we would have been the road team against WSt and Detroit hosted EKU.
Quote from: govalpogo on February 24, 2013, 01:34:17 PM"PB&J tournament" as BWood put it at Pepe's the night prior...
did that really happen, or is that just a realistic interpretation of what transpired??
Quote from: govalpogo on February 24, 2013, 01:34:17 PMit doesn't seem like anybody shows up in Eastern Kentucky to see the them play either
true, but they have averaged just under 3K for their last 3 home dates. Last year they averaged over 2500 for the season, about 75 more per game than detroit.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 24, 2013, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: govalpogo on February 24, 2013, 01:34:17 PM"PB&J tournament" as BWood put it at Pepe's the night prior...
did that really happen, or is that just a realistic interpretation of what transpired??
Quote from: govalpogo on February 24, 2013, 01:34:17 PMit doesn't seem like anybody shows up in Eastern Kentucky to see the them play either
true, but they have averaged just under 3K for their last 3 home dates. Last year they averaged over 2500 for the season, about 75 more per game than detroit.
Well, various members of the team was at Pepe's the night before, but now that I think of it, they were just bragging about how badly they were going to beat Iona. I believe I heard Brandon's comments from another member of the team a few days later....So, yes, it happened, more or less. The whole team was not happy to be in the CIT, understandably so, but it was a terrible way to end my career in the student section. Sorry to bring that up again...the bitterness still flows through me about that experience.
Also, I imagine the photo was taken during a scrub match explaining their lack of attendance and a fella who averages 3mpg getting a wide open dunk. It was in jest.
Did they actually charge $20 for upper deck seats yesterday? I certainly am glad my boys and I stayed home (tried to talk them into going).
How in the world does VU charge $20 for a poor seat? What kind of "sports marketing" was that?
It was a good performance (watched it on TV).
Quote from: lowposter on February 24, 2013, 03:36:21 PM
Did they actually charge $20 for upper deck seats yesterday? I certainly am glad my boys and I stayed home (tried to talk them into going).
How in the world does VU charge $20 for a poor seat? What kind of "sports marketing" was that?
It was a good performance (watched it on TV).
Just another instance of not understanding price pointing or how to properly market your product. Other examples - banner in the hallway fiasco and the men's BB team walking anonymously along side other student athletes at the Popcorn Festival Parade instead of prominently promoting them.
Quote from: govalpogo on February 24, 2013, 02:40:41 PMIt was in jest.
Oh, I am with you on that.
Wow on that story, but most of all about Pepe's itself...my band used to play there back in the day. never saw that as a university hangout.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 24, 2013, 05:24:58 PM
Quote from: govalpogo on February 24, 2013, 02:40:41 PMIt was in jest.
Oh, I am with you on that.
Wow on that story, but most of all about Pepe's itself...my band used to play there back in the day. never saw that as a university hangout.
tuesday nights - cheap pitchers and tired rotc seniors after a long day stuck in south bend. we were there just about every week.
but all that aside, perhaps the fact that they were at pepe's the night before that game against iona contributed to the loss...
Quote from: lowposter on February 24, 2013, 03:36:21 PMHow in the world does VU charge $20 for a poor seat?
I don't think they're poor seats. The view's fine, and there's more room to stretch out than there is downstairs. But, $20 a head starts to seem steep for family entertainment.
I have posted about 35 new photos I took at the BracketBusters game on my Valpo Basketball Photography blog, which now has close to 400 pictures. There is a real mixed bag of images this time, including a collector's item and a marriage proposal, as well as the sighting of Vashil and Jordan back in the lineup. Below are a few samples, starting with Bryce applauding a team shooting performance he could appreciate, and the other pictures are at http://photography226.wordpress.com/ (http://photography226.wordpress.com/)
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I left the game as soon as the final buzzer sounded because I had a ticket to the Cleveland State-Western Illinois game. As I took 30 to I-65 to I-80 and headed across Illinois, our dear departed TV voice of the Crusaders RLH came to mind. At least once I heard him on a game broadcast talk about travel in the Mid-Con, saying of the trip to MaComb, "You can't get there from here."
It certainly is out in the middle of nowhere ;)
Mutka: Cardinals, Crusaders, Mustangs thrive
On bracket busting
Incoming Eastern Kentucky came into Valparaiso with a school-record 22 victories and leading the Ohio Valley Conference with a defensive scoring average of 63.7 points. The Colonels had also scored at least 80 points in five of their last six games, but fizzled dramatically Saturday. They also lost Corey Walden, who scored 20 points before departing with 9:22 left.
"Just a strained knee, nothing serious," said relieved EKU coach Jeff Neubauer.
He compared Valparaiso to Belmont (22-6), which leads the OVC and demolished 20-game winner Ohio Saturday.
"Belmont has an RPI of 28," he said after VU's 22-point victory. "Valpo's very similar, great shooters, pass and move the ball well."
The Crusaders shot a sizzling 68.2 percent to send 3,336 fans home happy.
Will Bogan, one of VU's four 'little' guards, stashed 13 points. More impressive defensively, he muzzled EKU's Glenn Cosey, who brought a 15.7 average into the ARC, but managed just four points.
"I knew he was their scoring leader and shot a lot of threes," Bogan said. "So I took it kind of personal, chasing him."
Cosey went 1-for-10 from the field, missing all six of his 3-point attempts.
Bryce Drew believes Bogan is peaking at the right time.
"In the last three weeks he's been playing his best basketball in two years at Valpo," the coach said. "Offensively, he's moving well without the ball and has been more aggressive driving, getting into the lane. Defensively, this was his best game."
Valparaiso should be rested for Tuesday's game with visiting Youngstown State, which snapped its six-game winning streak on Jan. 30. Kendrick Perry's 28 points and 11 rebounds inspired the Penguins, but injured his knee in practice Wednesday and was negotiating the campus on crutches last Friday.
Subs accounted for 34 points and 16 rebounds in VU's 82-60 romp. Reserve guards LaVonte Dority and Ben Boggs, who hit double figures, logged more minutes than big guns, Ryan Broekhoff and Kevin Van Wijk.
This essentially meaningless game brought EKU-Valparaiso together for the first time since 1985. Interrupting the conference season during crunch time is never a good idea, but since when has ESPN considered the programs involved when punching out its schedule?
"It was a fun game," Bogan protested, "playing somebody you haven't seen before."
Around Christmas, maybe. Not in the last two weeks of the season. Not when it could artificially affect conference championship races.
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18453011-556/mutka-cardinals-crusaders-mustangs-thrive.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18453011-556/mutka-cardinals-crusaders-mustangs-thrive.html)