So... the Ohio Road Trip... Part 2, without a plane...
Someone posted earlier "you can't win the HL without winning in Ohio"...
So, I had to look, over the past 5 years we have been:
0 - 1 (so far)
1 - 2
2 - 1
1 - 2
1 - 2
2 - 1
total of 7-9 in Ohio HL games...(we are 23-26 overall in HL Road Games)
Back to just CSU... This is Game #25 of the season...
In Game #25 for the past 20 years, we are:
14-6 overall
9-2 at home
5-4 on the road (One of the L's is to Duke)
We have played CSU twice in game #25... and split with them. We won at Wolstein and they won at the ARC.
They had a weird game with YST last night...here's their write up...
http://www.csuvikings.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/020513aaa.html (http://www.csuvikings.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/020513aaa.html)
Even though CSU is improving, I believe we take this one, though we won't shoot lights out like last night.
Valpo 79
CSU 70
Can we get to 9-9 in Ohio for HL play? One step at a time.
Valpo 75
CSU 62
Agree, Valpo by 13
Ryan loves the shooting backgrounds (apparently) as he and the guys shot the lights out, was it last year? CSU was pushing to battle for the title and it was a "showdown" game. We took them apart.
I like the 13 number but could be more. They are playing much better than they did at Valpo but so are we. ;)
This game sets the tone for the road side of the remaining schedule Vary winnable but time to bear down!!!
Valpo 72 CSU 63 (Cleveland is not a state Ryan!) ;D
Valpo 67
Cleveland State 63
Quote from: VUfan on February 06, 2013, 07:48:21 PM
This game sets the tone for the road side of the remaining schedule Vary winnable but time to bear down!!!
Valpo 72 CSU 63 (Cleveland is not a state Ryan!) ;D
first time i heard that joke was at the mo valley championship a couple years back. wichita state and somebody else, and one of the students from the other school had a sign that said 'wichita is not a state.' made me laugh.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on February 07, 2013, 08:40:29 AM
Quote from: VUfan on February 06, 2013, 07:48:21 PM
This game sets the tone for the road side of the remaining schedule Vary winnable but time to bear down!!!
Valpo 72 CSU 63 (Cleveland is not a state Ryan!) ;D
first time i heard that joke was at the mo valley championship a couple years back. wichita state and somebody else, and one of the students from the other school had a sign that said 'wichita is not a state.' made me laugh.
The first time I saw it was at the ARC, probably 9 or 10 years ago. One of the students had a sign that said 'Chicago is not a state.' Somewhere in that general timeframe, one of the students paraded a sign behind the Oakland bench that said '0-13.' He made sure that everyone in the place saw it, including Kampe and the Oakland team. That got a lot of raucous cheers from the student section, as well. Good times.
I think that Oakland sign was during my time at Valpo. I seem to remember someone doing that, back when we still won every game against them
Wish we had saved some of those 3's against UIC for this game:
VU 65
CSU 63
Paul
Rowdy gets back on the Double-Double train
Valpo 73
CSU 64
Look for me at the game. I will be the guy in the gold t-shirt among the sea of green.
The wolstien center is one of the nicest arenas in the conference sure loyolas is nice, but the wolstien center has cheap beer. Although its in a terrible neighborhood...then again its cleveland. Trash
low blow
Quote from: valpocleveland on February 07, 2013, 08:12:10 PM
low blow
I agree. Having grown up on the east side (Lyndhurst), I understand the view based on ancient history (river on fire etc) and no doubt Cleveland has had many of the issues facing any big city (the murder rate is WAY below Chicago!) The city has done much to turn the corner and I wish I could be back to see the game!
Valpocleveland...look for us Saturday. Should be a good Valpo crowd.
We will be there can't wait to watch the team live :)
It's great to have you in the states, Koala. I hope that you'll have the opportunity to see the team at its best. It seems that Rowdy performs well when you're in the stands.
Obligatory: Hastily Made Cleveland Tourism Video: 2nd Attempt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM#noexternalembed)
We're not Detroit!
Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2013, 09:34:23 AM
Obligatory: Hastily Made Cleveland Tourism Video: 2nd Attempt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM#noexternalembed)
That was one well made promotional video for Cleveland... When can I move there?
Pretty lame really. The whole "river on fire" thing happened in 1969. Over the last 50 years or so I think you could come up with some lame stuff about any major city. How about Chicago? War protests, City burned down, how many murders? How about all the famous people from Cleveland? Halle Barry, Drew Carey, Arsenio Hall, Bob Hope, Paul Newman, Eliot Ness, John D. Rockefeller, blah, blah, blah.
Give poor old Cleveland a rest (and yes, I grew up in the east burbs! ;D)
Cleveland may get the last laugh on a lot of you. The Cleveland Clinic is an absolute juggernaut worldwide in healthcare. The economy is a lot more diverse than before and Case Western Reserve University is very strong. Not well known outside academia but solid!
My cousin graduated from Cleveland Chiropractic (in Los Angeles) after she did her undergraduate at Depauw. Not sure if this place was named after someone with that name, or if it is originally from Cleveland, but I am told it is a solid program for chiropractors. Just 3-4 years after she graduated, she already owns her business with 10 other chiropractors on staff in LA, and they are utilized by the US women's soccer team often, among other top athletes...
Quote from: valpotx on February 08, 2013, 04:40:12 PM
My cousin graduated from Cleveland Chiropractic (in Los Angeles) after she did her undergraduate at Depauw. Not sure if this place was named after someone with that name, or if it is originally from Cleveland, but I am told it is a solid program for chiropractors. Just 3-4 years after she graduated, she already owns her business with 10 other chiropractors on staff in LA, and they are utilized by the US women's soccer team often, among other top athletes...
No connection between Cleveland Chiropractic College of Kansas City and Cleveland Clinic
http://www.cleveland.edu/ (http://www.cleveland.edu/)
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/default.aspx (http://my.clevelandclinic.org/default.aspx)
http://www.cleveland.edu/alumni/los-angeles-information/ (http://www.cleveland.edu/alumni/los-angeles-information/) (apparantly the Cleveland Chiropractic College location in Los Angeles has closed)
As we await the Cleveland State game, I have now posted more than 40 of my photos from the UIC game for anyone interested. Here is a sample, but the rest can be found at my Valpo Basketball Photography blog: http://photography226.wordpress.com/ (http://photography226.wordpress.com/)
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Crusaders preparing for different Cleveland State squad
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/crusaders-preparing-for-different-cleveland-state-squad/article_c5da15c4-c6a8-5cac-8490-c2b06b710f5c.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/crusaders-preparing-for-different-cleveland-state-squad/article_c5da15c4-c6a8-5cac-8490-c2b06b710f5c.html)
VU bench looks to keep rolling
By Michael Osipoff 648-3137 or mosipoff@post-trib.com February 8, 2013 8:58PM
Updated: February 8, 2013 9:16PM
VALPARAISO — In its last two games, Valparaiso has won handily. In those two games, its bench has contributed significantly to the blowouts.
"The guys have been playing very well — LaVonte (Dority), Bobby (Capobianco), Jordan (Coleman), Vashil (Fernandez), and then last game it was Matt (Kenney) who came in," Crusaders coach Bryce Drew said. "They've come in, and with us subbing, we haven't missed a beat. They've kept the same intensity, and really just brought a lot of energy with them."
The group will try to maintain that level when Valparaiso (18-6, 8-2 Horizon League), which has won consecutive league games by at least 25 points for the first time since January of 2003, plays Cleveland State (12-12, 4-6) on Saturday at the Wolstein Center, in a game televised by ESPN2.
Dority has averaged 11.7 points over the last three games, including two 13-point performances. After Capobianco had eight points, nine rebounds and two blocked shots against Milwaukee, he followed up with 10 points, nine rebounds and nine assists against UIC.
"Bobby had his best game in a Valpo uniform, just really played well," Drew said. "He was a big key to our team."
After missing the better part of two games because of back problems, Kenney returned with nine points, five rebounds and five assists against the Flames. Ben Boggs has started the last two games, after having started the first 12 games of the season. Who starts against the Vikings remains to be seen.
"We feel very confident in Ben and very confident in Matt," Drew said. "We'll see how Matt's feeling, we'll see how the rest of our guys are feeling, and make a decision before the game. And I think both are comfortable in either role, which makes it nice. They've been used to it for a while. And, last game, Ben and Matt played really well together at the end of the first half."
Kenney, who has 11 starts this season, just was happy to be back on the court.
"Obviously I like starting, but Ben does a great job," he said. "Me and him have kind of traded on and off. Either way, because Coach Bryce plays a lot of people — LaVonte comes off the bench and plays starter minutes, other guys come off the bench and play starter minutes. It's just who's playing well at the time, and he'll leave them in. It doesn't really matter to me."
Boggs actually missed Valparaiso's first game against Cleveland State, because of turf toe. Changes have occurred since the Crusaders, who were coming off a league-opening loss to Loyola, routed the Vikings, who were playing their first conference game of the season, 74-50 on Jan. 4 at the ARC.
"They're a different team in some ways," Drew said. "They have a lot of freshmen that they're playing, and now they have a lot more experience, and they're playing that way. They have a lot more confidence, and they're really executing well on offense and defense. Coach (Gary) Waters does a tremendous job."
Freshman guard Bryn Forbes (11.7 points per game) is the leading active scorer for Cleveland State, which has won back-to-back games, at UIC and against Youngstown State, after four straight losses.
Junior big man Devon Long scored 23 points against the Penguins on Tuesday, a career high and the most by a Vikings player this season.
"They play especially well at home, and they really have been playing a lot better than when we faced them the first time," Ryan Broekhoff said. "We're not going into this thinking it's going to go all our way like it did the first game. We're preparing, going over any changes they might have made, and we're really focused. It's going to be a big test."
Kenney scored a team-high 14 points in the Crusaders' first game against the Vikings.
"If we go in and dictate the pace, and keep doing what we've been doing, we can come out with a win," he said. "But I know they're going to be ready, they're going to play loose. They're going to want to knock us off, first place; that probably will give them some momentum, to show that they can beat the first-place team."
Some CSU folks are gathering before the game at the Viking Tavern (1818 Euclid Ave, south side of Euclid Ave, just East of E. 18 St, about a block from the Wolstein Center). It would be fun to meet some of you folks and compare notes.
Quote from: CSU Fan on February 09, 2013, 07:47:38 AM
Some CSU folks are gathering before the game at the Viking Tavern (1818 Euclid Ave, south side of Euclid Ave, just East of E. 18 St, about a block from the Wolstein Center). It would be fun to meet some of you folks and compare notes.
I don't know, CSU Fan, I watched the video and read the comments above...is it safe?? ;)
Quote from: CSU Fan on February 09, 2013, 07:47:38 AM
Some CSU folks are gathering before the game at the Viking Tavern (1818 Euclid Ave, south side of Euclid Ave, just East of E. 18 St, about a block from the Wolstein Center). It would be fun to meet some of you folks and compare notes.
I think you guys have to show some kind of religious connection before Valpo board fans will attend an event like this....ala ORU...just not quite that crazy. ;)
Ha! The video is pretty funny, but if you're serious, my view is it's like any big-city downtown. Especially during the day it's fine but don't walk around texting with your head down - people have had cell phones grabbed but it's not an everyday occurance.
And being a Cleveland sports fan is challenging to any religious belief. You may hear frequent references to the deity during games but not the type a good Catholic would like.
Quote from: CSU Fan on February 09, 2013, 07:47:38 AM
Some CSU folks are gathering before the game at the Viking Tavern (1818 Euclid Ave, south side of Euclid Ave, just East of E. 18 St, about a block from the Wolstein Center). It would be fun to meet some of you folks and compare notes.
Quick, paint Valpo's area code on the wall while they're all in there.
Do they still have Hoopy Hour at the arena before the game?
I don't think there's a Hoopy Hour today - the game notes say there will be a Kid's Zone. Let's hope those are two different events (they are). Regular beer prices are no longer cheap at the Wolstein - Bud etc. is $6, and Great Lakes beers - which really are good - are $8.
Thanks for the heads up. Is Viking Tavern connected to a pizza place, I may have been there before. I am partial to Becky's.
I'm seeing Vegas lines like Valpo by 7.5, Valpo by 8.
I'm seeing other predictions that are closer: Valpo by 5, Valpo by 1.
Thanks for posting CSU Fan... If I was coming to the game I would definitely stop by. I like when fans of different teams get together and discuss teams. Usually makes for some very interesting discussion.
Glad to hear VU will have some fans making the trip. (Also very cool that Koala gets to see the team in person - REALLY hope you get to see Ryan play the way we have - and with such class....)
Quote from: CSU Fan on February 09, 2013, 08:36:07 AM
Ha! The video is pretty funny, but if you're serious, my view is it's like any big-city downtown. Especially during the day it's fine but don't walk around texting with your head down - people have had cell phones grabbed but it's not an everyday occurance.
Have you been to many other big-city downtown areas?? Downtown Dallas is safe, clean, and looks 'fancy' in many places.
Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2013, 09:34:23 AMObligatory: Hastily Made Cleveland Tourism Video: 2nd Attempt (The video's owner prevents external embedding)
Dude, took the words right out of my digital mouth, although you should have started with the first one (because the second one's funnier).
HASTILY MADE CLEVELAND TOURISM VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY#ws)
and in honor of CSU, a video the same guy made for TNT, that makes fun of not The Cleve but Charles Barkley and the NBA in happier, LeBron-filled times: Hastily Made Cleveland Tourism Video: NBA on TNT version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sDFoJ22sKY#ws)
We were playing GREAT.....but suddenly 3 turnovers and we are down by just 8. C'mon man!!
Good road win! Score makes it seem closer than it was.
Quote from: crusadermoe on February 09, 2013, 04:38:20 PM
We were playing GREAT.....but suddenly 3 turnovers and we are down by just 8. C'mon man!!
If we lose the championship game again because half our team got injured with impunity today, just like last year, I'm going to lose it.
Quote from: crusadermoe on February 09, 2013, 04:38:20 PMbut suddenly 3 turnovers
3 turnovers... in a row - never helps! Seemed like they kept passing it into the corner against the press... Probably the worst we've looked against the press this season?
But, Cleveland State was true to form - the one team with (barely) more turnovers per game than us. And they showed it tonight.
Credit to Cleveland State though, they definitely never gave up.
Fewest rebounds from Rowdy in... memory? Looks like the last time he had as few as three was against Georgia Southern, where he played just 23 minutes. Last time he had just three in starter's minutes? Loyola Marymount last year.
Todd claimed, in the last postgame segment, that we could clinch the Horizon League by winning the next two.
Tantalizing!
But.... couldn't Youngstown, in particular, still catch us at 11-5, with the tiebreaker?
Quote from: agibson on February 09, 2013, 05:19:28 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on February 09, 2013, 04:38:20 PMbut suddenly 3 turnovers
3 turnovers... in a row - never helps! Seemed like they kept passing it into the corner against the press... Probably the worst we've looked against the press this season?
But, Cleveland State was true to form - the one team with (barely) more turnovers per game than us. And they showed it tonight.
Credit to Cleveland State though, they definitely never gave up.
Fewest rebounds from Rowdy in... memory? Looks like the last time he had as few as three was against Georgia Southern, where he played just 23 minutes. Last time he had just three in starter's minutes? Loyola Marymount last year.
and i think they might have actually been below their average in cheap shots today too
Quote from: agibson on February 09, 2013, 05:27:01 PM
Todd claimed, in the last postgame segment, that we could clinch the Horizon League by winning the next two.
Tantalizing!
But.... couldn't Youngstown, in particular, still catch us at 11-5, with the tiebreaker?
we still have 1 left against them, so we can nullify that one if we beat them
Quote from: vuweathernerd on February 09, 2013, 05:29:25 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 09, 2013, 05:27:01 PM
Todd claimed, in the last postgame segment, that we could clinch the Horizon League by winning the next two.
Tantalizing!
But.... couldn't Youngstown, in particular, still catch us at 11-5, with the tiebreaker?
we still have 1 left against them, so we can nullify that one if we beat them
As Todd suggests, if we beat WSU and Det in our next 2 games, it's over. Maybe not officially, but a 3 game lead with 3 games left - it's over.
Quote from: wh on February 09, 2013, 05:35:24 PMAs Todd suggests, if we beat WSU and Det in our next 2 games, it's over. Maybe not officially, but a 3 game lead with 3 games left - it's over.
Oh, for sure. But, we'll need a little help to mathematically end it, I think. We may have to beat Wright State, Detroit, _and_ Loyola to make it mathematically sound. But, let's not get ahead of ourselves ;)
We did the job we needed to again. We were in control the entire game but I hate how rough the refs allowed the game to be and then when they tried to stop the physical play they started calling garbage. Super sick of refs allowing players to foul Ryan with no call...
(Got to say Forbes is going to be fantastic as he gets more experience...)
Beating WSU and Detroit clinches a higher finish than WSU and Detroit. If we then lose to YSU, GB, and Loyola, YSU would hold the tiebreaker over us and could still finish 1st.
Correct
Although Detroit's sweep over YSU could negate that fact if all three teams finish 11-5.
Apparently doritys ankle is causing problems. Considering somebody fell on it, I'm not that surprised. But it wouldn't shock me if he doesn't play Tuesday in Dayton.
Chef, did I hear you say in the postgame that Ryan was a little under the weather?
Ryan did not practice the day before that game. Seemed to feel better Saturday, but was not at 100%.
to think that we would be 3 games ahead if we didn't lose our first conference game at home to Loyola....
True, but if you net out the Loyola home loss vs. the Detroit miracle comeback, I think we stand where we should
It all comes down to holding serve at home against Detroit after breaking through on the road.
IF......we can do that I am really hoping Detroit can fall back to a #3 seed and be saddled with lack of depth in the back-to-back tourney games. Ironically, a VU loss to Wright St. probably sets up Wright St as a potential #2. Because they would have the "best win" (Valpo).
This is true. I've watched several Detroit games this season. They look tired toward the end of the game. Maybe this is why they blow so many leads....If they go to Wichita st. and Temple late in conference season and play starters 37 minutes on the road, come back and have back to back HL tourney games, i like our odds.
let's take care of business this week against wright state and detroit.
Congratulations on a nice win. Your team is a pleasure to watch - very confident and disciplined at both ends of the floor. I hope when we have a team of seniors they play the same way. Good luck the rest of the season.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 10, 2013, 12:57:35 PM
This is true. I've watched several Detroit games this season. They look tired toward the end of the game. Maybe this is why they blow so many leads....If they go to Wichita st. and Temple late in conference season and play starters 37 minutes on the road, come back and have back to back HL tourney games, i like our odds.
let's take care of business this week against wright state and detroit.
I had forgotten about that postponed Gotham Classic game which looks like will be played on the 28th at Temple. You might argue that this game could do them more good than harm, but they will still have to play at UIC on Feb 2. With the seeding and amount of rest between games unknown who knows how this could work out? They might start post-season play at their peak.
Now that YSU has lost, Valpo would lock up the top seed with wins over Wright State and Detroit.
Quote from: chef on February 10, 2013, 03:52:32 PM
Now that YSU has lost, Valpo would lock up the top seed with wins over Wright State and Detroit.
I was wondering the same thing. But, I don't think I'll wade through the UWGB tie-breakers, let alone the multi-way tie at 11-5 possibilities.
Triple OT!
Quote from: chef on February 10, 2013, 12:31:30 AM
Ryan did not practice the day before that game. Seemed to feel better Saturday, but was not at 100%.
I told my brother after the game that he just didn't look or play like Ryan. It was hard to pinpoint but his shot was off. Now we know why.
Quote from: CSU Fan on February 10, 2013, 01:38:03 PM
Congratulations on a nice win. Your team is a pleasure to watch - very confident and disciplined at both ends of the floor. I hope when we have a team of seniors they play the same way. Good luck the rest of the season.
Thanks for the classy post. You may well be the favorite going into next year. We will have some good senior leadership but will be relying on freshman for depth. Ex the first 10 minutes or so and you played us even to slightly better but the score was somewhat off at the end based on a few bombs you made late in the game.
Quote from: vu72 on February 10, 2013, 06:32:44 PM
Quote from: chef on February 10, 2013, 12:31:30 AM
Ryan did not practice the day before that game. Seemed to feel better Saturday, but was not at 100%.
I told my brother after the game that he just didn't look or play like Ryan. It was hard to pinpoint but his shot was off. Now we know why.
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Couple notables from the ESPN telecast.
1- They were raving about CSU's young forward Marlon Mason and his upside. He does seem to have the whole package and could be a big scorer. They also liked the freshman CSU guard, Bryn.x?
2- At one point, one of the broadcasters said that... Bobby was a BIG "6'10" and........ IF VALPO HAD A FOOTBALL TEAM they might come looking for him to join it. That one hurt.
Under the scenarios we've discussed (Valpo sweeping WSU and Detroit) it would seem 99.9% impossible that Green Bay would get a tie-break over Valpo. We'd be assuming that Green Bay would win out, which would mean another loss for YSU. In order for Valpo to lose a tie-break, YSU would likely have to finish alone in third. Which is highly, highly unlikely with a minimum 7 losses. Sweeps over WSU, Detroit and UIC would really favor the Crusaders.
Quote from: crusadermoe on February 10, 2013, 11:03:30 PMAt one point, one of the broadcasters said that... Bobby was a BIG "6'10" and........ IF VALPO HAD A FOOTBALL TEAM they might come looking for him to join it. That one hurt.
that gave me a chuckle. um...
There was also a comment about how Ryan got some playing time after Brandon Wood left...
Quote from: letsgovu on February 11, 2013, 07:28:56 AM
Quote from: crusadermoe on February 10, 2013, 11:03:30 PMAt one point, one of the broadcasters said that... Bobby was a BIG "6'10" and........ IF VALPO HAD A FOOTBALL TEAM they might come looking for him to join it. That one hurt.
that gave me a chuckle. um...
There was also a comment about how Ryan got some playing time after Brandon Wood left...
Just finishing re-watching the game. These announcers were absolutely pathetic at times. The number of times they showed their lack of homework was staggering.
As usual, having a DVR with slow-motion capability has helped me downplay my rants about the officiating a bit. They still missed a couple, but some of the ones I thought were obvious were not so much, plus one of the fouls called on Kamcyzc was very ticky-tack. Most of the fouls called on CSU looked legit, hometown uproar to the contrary (same thing happens everywhere, including the ARC, by the way).
When Kevin doubled over with pain in the 2nd half, the only thing I could think of was that Kamczyc stepped on his foot. Otherwise, he did it to himself. Forbes did power-knee Bogan in the groin however.
There is something about that place that's bordering on the epidemic. You'd like to think you don't have to bring a M*A*S*H unit with you when you play CSU...
72 Ryan's shot was off not only because of illness but whenever his opposition player closed out he would smack him in the face. Ryan spoke to the officials about it but it kept happening so he let them know again and they just shrugged their shoulders as if not to care. Thank goodness he has a calm demeanour with all that he has to endure during a game of holding, pushing, hitting and bumping with no call.
Quote from: koala on February 11, 2013, 09:42:33 AM
72 Ryan's shot was off not only because of illness but whenever his opposition player closed out he would smack him in the face. Ryan spoke to the officials about it but it kept happening so he let them know again and they just shrugged their shoulders as if not to care. Thank goodness he has a calm demeanour with all that he has to endure during a game of holding, pushing, hitting and bumping with no call.
I know Ryan is not the type but I suggest he "accidently" slap the the opposing player in the face and just say "oooops, those accidents can happen so easily" and wink. If the ref won't call it on the CSU player he won't call it on Ryan.
I notice that Rowdy usually gets hacked each time he comes down with a rebound and it is never called. It's always a quick slap, or a reach where they pull on him. He never swings his elbows though like some other players might, in order to get them off of him. He is a bigger man than most in order to not retaliate :)
Quote from: koala on February 11, 2013, 09:42:33 AMThank goodness he has a calm demeanour with all that he has to endure during a game of holding, pushing, hitting and bumping with no call.
AMEN! It's ridiculous. And contrary to reason.
Now that he is an established star and All-American, he should get MORE calls, NOT LESS, and yet:
Last year: 4.44 FT/game; this year, 4.08, or about 10% fewer trips to the line! [/rant]
Quote from: chef on February 10, 2013, 11:10:19 PMUnder the scenarios we've discussed (Valpo sweeping WSU and Detroit) it would seem 99.9% impossible that Green Bay would get a tie-break over Valpo. We'd be assuming that Green Bay would win out, which would mean another loss for YSU. In order for Valpo to lose a tie-break, YSU would likely have to finish alone in third.
Yeah, I agree that it's pretty unlikely Valpo could win the next two and _not_ get the #1 seed.
Valpo probably wins a three-way or four-way tie for first.
If Valpo ties with just Green Bay for first, then, as you say, it's Youngstown State in third (or, gasp, Loyola in third if they win out! Maybe still possible?) that would cause problems. But, I don't think it would have to be YSU in third by themselves. YSU tied with Detroit for third would probably give it to Green Bay. Or maybe even YSU tied for third with Wright State (then it gets complicated). Or, indeed, if the sky falls and Loyola manages to get a share of third.
Probably if we manage to win the next two, all of these scenarios will have dissolved in the mean time. Green Bay losing at Cleveland State, and Loyola losing against UIC (or at Milwaukee) would take care of it.
Of, yeah, I guess we could just win a third game.
Anybody watch the CSU post game? Apparently we did not beat them. Sorry but I lost some respect for this coach...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EU5pmUD6og&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EU5pmUD6og&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
And i have to agree that the slapping and rough play against Ryan has to stop. it is the refs job to call it and the play where ryan got hit in the face pissed me off. (Someone else on the team should protect him by fouling that guy hard enough to make him think next time down.) That is one of those times where i want Bryce to step on to the court and get in the refs face about it.
Quote from: agibson on February 11, 2013, 03:55:29 PM
Quote from: chef on February 10, 2013, 11:10:19 PMUnder the scenarios we've discussed (Valpo sweeping WSU and Detroit) it would seem 99.9% impossible that Green Bay would get a tie-break over Valpo. We'd be assuming that Green Bay would win out, which would mean another loss for YSU. In order for Valpo to lose a tie-break, YSU would likely have to finish alone in third.
Yeah, I agree that it's pretty unlikely Valpo could win the next two and _not_ get the #1 seed.
Valpo probably wins a three-way or four-way tie for first.
If Valpo ties with just Green Bay for first, then, as you say, it's Youngstown State in third (or, gasp, Loyola in third if they win out! Maybe still possible?) that would cause problems. But, I don't think it would have to be YSU in third by themselves. YSU tied with Detroit for third would probably give it to Green Bay. Or maybe even YSU tied for third with Wright State (then it gets complicated). Or, indeed, if the sky falls and Loyola manages to get a share of third.
Probably if we manage to win the next two, all of these scenarios will have dissolved in the mean time. Green Bay losing at Cleveland State, and Loyola losing against UIC (or at Milwaukee) would take care of it.
Of, yeah, I guess we could just win a third game.
If YSU and WSU were tied for 3rd, Valpo would win the tiebreaker unless GB beats YSU. If YSU and Detroit were tied for 3rd and YSU beats GB, it would depend on 5th place (if GB sweeps YSU, GB would win the tiebreaker; this is another example of that rule that insists that higher ranking ties be broken first: without that, Detroit eliminates YSU from their tie, and then breaks the first place tie in favor of Valpo).
Quote from: Smj on February 11, 2013, 05:25:20 PM
Anybody watch the CSU post game? Apparently we did not beat them. Sorry but I lost some respect for this coach...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EU5pmUD6og&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EU5pmUD6og&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
And i have to agree that the slapping and rough play against Ryan has to stop. it is the refs job to call it and the play where ryan got hit in the face pissed me off. (Someone else on the team should protect him by fouling that guy hard enough to make him think next time down.) That is one of those times where i want Bryce to step on to the court and get in the refs face about it.
I read the comments in the paper.
I only saw one instance of Ryan getting slapped in the face, but I may have missed some. At the same time, there were times when a Valpo player came darn close to doing the same thing without getting called for it.
I agree though. It should be called a foul. Somehow the feeling that Waters coaches his team to injure the other team won't completely dissipate for me... I don't really buy it, but I can't shake it off as completely ridiculous either. Is it really a coincidence that this is the 2nd straight year we leave CSU with a win but all banged up? I dunno....
I doubt he coaches to injure... I was just not too impressed with how he handled the loss during his post game interview. At least say something good about the opponent that "beat" you.
Also, I was not really just saying this game. I see players being rougher than they need to against Ryan in a lot of games. I just feel like I have seen too many games where they defend like it is a football game.
What was Gary trying to say about our 3-point shooting? It came away to me like he was saying Broekhoff is our only good 3-point shooter
I understand how he's trying to put the onus on his team. He's right that CSU's defense needed to be better and their offensive execution needed to be better at the rim. But he can say that without pushing us aside like we're just another team. We're not on the verge of securing another regular season title for nothing.
Quote from: KL31NY on February 11, 2013, 07:34:36 PM
What was Gary trying to say about our 3-point shooting? It came away to me like he was saying Broekhoff is our only good 3-point shooter
I understand how he's trying to put the onus on his team. He's right that CSU's defense needed to be better and their offensive execution needed to be better at the rim. But he can say that without pushing us aside like we're just another team. We're not on the verge of securing another regular season title for nothing.
Totally agree..... How about saying "they are not the number one for nothing". Jeter was super classy after we beat them and I kind of compared this post game to that one... Also,saying we can't shoot threes - love to see a team leave us open from three for a game .... See how that turns out.
Quote from: Smj on February 11, 2013, 06:59:49 PM
I doubt he coaches to injure... I was just not too impressed with how he handled the loss during his post game interview. At least say something good about the opponent that "beat" you.
Also, I was not really just saying this game. I see players being rougher than they need to against Ryan in a lot of games. I just feel like I have seen too many games where they defend like it is a football game.
Somehow I suspect, just suspect now, that our seniors may want to take a look at that interview, and just maybe correct a few things Mr. Waters had to say. ::)
I agree that the post-game comments were not very generous but I'm sure Waters doesn't coach to injure. It's almost impossible to see a game objectively when you're a fan - I never think we get the calls even at home.
Quote from: CSU Fan on February 11, 2013, 08:45:17 PM
I agree that the post-game comments were not very generous but I'm sure Waters doesn't coach to injure. It's almost impossible to see a game objectively when you're a fan - I never think we get the calls even at home.
I agree I'm not being objective, and most of my disappointment is aimed at the refs.
A slightly more rational impression I have gotten is that CSU pushes the envelope more than any other team in this conference, trying to get away with as much contact as they can.
It is also possible that your team is typically stronger physically than our team is. All I know is we need a MASH unit every time we play at your place. Our guys were getting bodied into the basketball standard and no foul was called. There were a couple of make-up calls on your guys that were ticky-tack at the end.
In the end, this is a cruel sport. A time like this (assuming I'm not making a mountain out of a mole-hill about our injuries) affords us an opportunity to fight through incredible setbacks. If they persevere, it might be a boon. If they don't, it could be devastating (No, I don't expect fans of other teams to be sympathetic). Last year, we stumbled into Beeghley short-handed two days later and had our lunch handed to us. We righted the ship, but I'm not entirely convinced the letdown in the championship game can't be traced partly back to Kevin's injury at CSU. Maybe it was unrelated, I know he got injured again in that game, but it's possible.
Of course, this is a one-bid league, and every team wants what Valpo has right now, so even without injuries it's a brutal sport. I would love it if it could brutal without the injuries, but that's not part of the bargain.
<sigh> If we have to take on WSU with a 6 or 7 man rotation, I'm very afraid we're going to lose. We're gonna need Coleman and Fernandez for significant minutes, I think, unless somehow both Dority and Kenney are good to go.
I have said it many times before, but Waters is a moron. He talks trash about the other coaches in the HL, in the middle of a hotel breakfast area, when it is highly likely that opponent's fans are sitting there as well (me and my fiance).
Coach Waters, this is directed to you, but you are a f'ing moron, and you got your a$$ beat down by a better team and coach.
For the record, CSU has committed more fouls/game than any other HL team. They also rank 44th in D-1. They are ridiculously overly physical and always have been under Waters "teaching."
By the way, WSU is the 2nd highest fouling team in the HL and 71st nationally.
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I like how he said, and I'm paraphrasing, "the next time we face that team."
What are the odds of that happening? I'm guessing slim to none.
Take your rebuilding year like a man. You'll be back next season.
dude. that's like an auden poem. well done.
and then I guess Tex's reaction was kind of like a David Mamet speech :)
I'll take it. If your postgame reaction to getting your a$$ whipped is 'we beat ourselves,' you deserve every name thrown at you. When a team is up by close to 20, you don't beat yourself, you get OWNED by the other team
A couple of things about the postgame comments from Waters...yes, his defense was horrible, but wasn't it last year that his excuse was the exact same thing...MISSED LAYUPS? As he stated, "We missed 6 UNCONTESTED layups, and gave up 4 UNCONTESTED". It just seems like the same thing every year with him. His guys try to be a little better than they are, but the patience to make those layups and uncontested shots doesn't happen because they freak out by how open they are. I would be concerned with this team next season, when they have more experience together, and missing pieces are back in the lineup. They'll be an NCAA team again soon.
I didn't hear Waters mention anything about the 2 bank-shot 3's they hit that made the final score look closer than it actually was. Maybe I missed it.
Quote from: valporun on February 12, 2013, 11:05:06 AM
... They'll be an NCAA team again soon.
I think Forbes will be super fun to watch for CSU fans in the next few years....
Quote from: wh on February 12, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
I didn't hear Waters mention anything about the 2 bank-shot 3's they hit that made the final score look closer than it actually was. Maybe I missed it.
I sort of understand this ... Waters used to claim that CSU was better than Butler after getting beat. In an odd way, I respect him for sticking up for his team. He doesn't make excuses and holds his team to a high standard. He didn't mention injuries or point out his team was young or that guys had the sniffles. He just said his team didn't play well enough to win.
I don't love him by any stretch, but over time, I learned to respect his competitiveness and the fact that his teams usually reflected his personality.
This has become a much more physical game than it was 20 years ago. Hasn't anybody noticed that many players look like they should be playing tight end instead of basketball? Nate Wolters from South Dakota State scored a school-record 53 points with nine 3-pointers the other night when they defeated IPFW 80-74. The color commentator (former college coach) said that he couldn't believe how soft IPFW played Wolters and that he should have gotten decked a few times when instead he went unmolested through the lane for layups. It is expected that your best player is also going to be the target or some physical play most likely early in the game. Do you coach to injure someone??? No, but you better be letting people know that there will be no easy possessions. I am not excusing dirty play, but physical play is here to stay.
Speaking of douchebag CSU coaches, anyone remember the coach from late 80s or early 90s...I remember being at the ARC and the drummer for the pep band...or probably a percussionist, really...some girl not into the game was (for whatever reason) throwing a bass drum stick into the air and trying to catch it.
Progressively higher and higher, until
a) she failed to catch it
b) it bounced to the CSU bench near the whiny coach (Kevin something?)
c) he picked it up and fired it onto the court while yelling at the refs
d) they promptly gave a technical
e) ...to US! bench/crowd.
I remember going berserk after that.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 12, 2013, 06:09:55 PM
Speaking of douchebag CSU coaches, anyone remember the coach from late 80s or early 90s...I remember being at the ARC and the drummer for the pep band...or probably a percussionist, really...some girl not into the game was (for whatever reason) throwing a bass drum stick into the air and trying to catch it.
Progressively higher and higher, until
a) she failed to catch it
b) it bounced to the CSU bench near the whiny coach (Kevin something?)
c) he picked it up and fired it onto the court while yelling at the refs
d) they promptly gave a technical
e) ...to US! bench/crowd.
I remember going berserk after that.
I suspect the coach of Buffalo (then or now, really) could beat that several times a season.
I see CSU lost by 30 tonight. They must have missed 15 uncontested layups.
Quote from: wh on February 12, 2013, 08:40:44 PMThey must have missed 15 uncontested layups.
Either that, or they gave up 15 uncontested Ray Jr GARBIDGE TIME DUNKZ
Tonight was probably the fault of the HL and their schedule, making them play Valpo and Deteoit back-to--back.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 12, 2013, 06:09:55 PMSpeaking of douchebag CSU coaches, anyone remember the coach from late 80s or early 90s
Kevin Mackey, the cocaine addict
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mackey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mackey)
Mackey still reckoned as a rising star in the collegiate ranks. Cleveland State knew this, and signed him to a two-year, $300,000 contract in July 1990 (US$533,673 in 2013 dollars[8]). However, on July 13—only a few days after he signed his contract—Cleveland police, acting on a tip that he was a frequent guest at a crack house, pulled him over after he drove left of center.[5] He was arrested for driving under the influence and having an open container. It subsequently emerged that he'd sprayed his mouth with a breath spray before taking a Breathalyzer test at the police station. Since breath spray can alter the results of Breathalyzer tests, police took a urine sample, which revealed traces of cocaine.[2]
The Wednesday after his arrest, Mackey held a press conference in which he acknowledged a long-running problem with substance abuse. He also announced that he planned to go into rehab, and his lawyer asked Cleveland State to let him go on a leave of absence so he could complete it.[9][2] However, Cleveland State refused to do so and fired him only a few days after signing his contract.[10] Mackey subsequently pleaded no contest and in lieu of prosecution, he was ordered confined to a rehabilitation center for 60 days.[5]
In 2009, Mackey told the New York Times that at the time of his arrest, he'd been an alcoholic for many years and had begun using cocaine shortly after the 1986 NCAA Tournament. He said that he thought he was able to control it, and didn't realize how serious the problem was until his arrest. However, he has remained sober for over 20 years. Many of Mackey's former players later said that they learned from Mackey's experience and how it humbled him.
i was right! kevin something!
wow. seems that stealing and throwing drumsticks was the least of his problems.