Two more games left. Pomeroy predicts that we will lose one more HL game but still capture the 1 seed. Would be nice if Detriot dropped to the 3 and played one more game.
What's the claim now? We've locked up at least the third seed? And, is one more win, of either type, enough to click the first seed? I had a look at the combinations, but didn't quite seal the deal.
The win over Loyola was enough for RPI forecast to push us back ahead of Detroit
http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/ct/Valparaiso.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/ct/Valparaiso.html)
They forecast Detroit will end the season (including conference tourney) with a significantly better RPI (56 to our 79), but that we're now, again, somewhat more likely to get the auto-bid (49% chance to Detroit's 38%).
Quote from: agibson on February 20, 2013, 11:20:18 AM
What's the claim now? We've locked up at least the third seed? And, is one more win, of either type, enough to click the first seed? I had a look at the combinations, but didn't quite seal the deal.
The win over Loyola was enough for RPI forecast to push us back ahead of Detroit
http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/ct/Valparaiso.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/ct/Valparaiso.html)
They forecast Detroit will end the season (including conference tourney) with a significantly better RPI (56 to our 79), but that we're now, again, somewhat more likely to get the auto-bid (49% chance to Detroit's 38%).
Yes, we've locked up the 3rd seed because the only way we end up in 4th place is by being tied with WSU for 3rd and 4th place at 11-5 and we own the tiebreaker there.
If we beat YSU, we clinch the 1 seed, no matter what anyone else does. If we lose to YSU and beat GB, we need a little help if Detroit wins out -- we'd need WSU to win one of their last 3.
There are, believe it or not, 3 scenarios where RPI would decide the 1 seed, but I think it requires Valpo to lose out in order for that to come into play.
In short, beat YSU, and save the Crusader :)
Save the Crusader?
Heroes reference
I would bet that our RPI went up after St Louis beat VCU. It turns out that SLU and New Mexico were "good losses" even if we were at full strength.
The Nebraska, Oakland and Loyola losses still grate on me. But Loyola was the only embarrassing one.
Big game tonight in WSU vs. CSU. If WSU wins at CSU, and then we win at home against YSU, our #1 is clinched.
That's not what StLVU said!
Quote from: agibson on February 20, 2013, 03:22:16 PM
That's not what StLVU said!
I didn't quite hammer that point home enough to make me believe I realized that, but you're right. Assuming my spreadsheet doesn't have an error, as long as we beat YSU, the 1 seed is ours, regardless of what happens tonight. Maybe after last night, we don't need WSU anymore (if we beat YSU). I'm pretty sure there are other cases where we still do need WSU to win at least once.
Jim, I only just noticed your post from before last night's games on your blog.
It's good fun to read!
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Detroit has a 112 out of 1024 chance (10.9 %) of getting the 1 seed, while Valpo has a 906 out of 1024 chance (88.5 %) of getting the 1 seed.
Hopefully the reader has in mind that these percentages are assuming both teams in each game have an equal chance of winning. Which presumably is sometimes pretty far from the truth.
Only 256 possibilities left!
Quote from: agibson on February 21, 2013, 09:16:06 AM
Jim, I only just noticed your post from before last night's games on your blog.
It's good fun to read!
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Detroit has a 112 out of 1024 chance (10.9 %) of getting the 1 seed, while Valpo has a 906 out of 1024 chance (88.5 %) of getting the 1 seed.
Hopefully the reader has in mind that these percentages are assuming both teams in each game have an equal chance of winning. Which presumably is sometimes pretty far from the truth.
Only 256 possibilities left!
LOL, if anyone ever mistakes me for a pundit or a prognosticator I'll have to set them straight I guess ;)
I would guess that most pundits would have no problem with the fact that if the tourney is held in the ARC, the most likely 2 seed is Detroit. However, they should also look at the YSU and Green Bay games as definitely loseable.
It is gut-check time for this team from here on out. They are vulnerable, though not overly so. Frankly, I always thought those Butler teams two and three years ago were vulnerable. They rarely had an easy HL game and while they occasionally did stumble, there were plenty more opportunities for them to and they didn't. They gutted it out more often than not. They were far from invincible.
Quote from: agibson on February 21, 2013, 09:16:06 AM
Jim, I only just noticed your post from before last night's games on your blog.
It's good fun to read!
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Detroit has a 112 out of 1024 chance (10.9 %) of getting the 1 seed, while Valpo has a 906 out of 1024 chance (88.5 %) of getting the 1 seed.
Hopefully the reader has in mind that these percentages are assuming both teams in each game have an equal chance of winning. Which presumably is sometimes pretty far from the truth.
Only 256 possibilities left!
By the way, Detroit now has a 24 out of 255 chance (9.4 %) of getting the 1 seed, with 1 scenario unsolvable until March 3rd (RPI tiebreaker).
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 21, 2013, 01:07:23 PMBy the way, Detroit now has a 24 out of 255 chance (9.4 %) of getting the 1 seed, with 1 scenario unsolvable until March 3rd (RPI tiebreaker).
Last night's games seem not to have much affected the RPI forecast predictions (Detroit a 40% chance of autobid, Valpo 45%). Most of the probability may already be with the tournament taking place at VU.
Quote from: agibson on February 21, 2013, 02:23:33 PMMost of the probability may already be with the tournament taking place at VU.
I don't think they take that into consideration--I think they calculate all conf. tourney games as neutral-site scored?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 21, 2013, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 21, 2013, 02:23:33 PMMost of the probability may already be with the tournament taking place at VU.
I don't think they take that into consideration--I think they calculate all conf. tourney games as neutral-site scored?
Ah? Could be. I didn't look at it so closely.
From their possible records at the end of the season, it looks like they _do_ take into account the number of games you'll play in the conference tourney. So, being the #1 or #2 seed still has an effect, even if it doesn't matter much _which_ seed you are. (I suppose it might well still affect who you play, which has RPI consequences. Makes you wonder how carefully they put the tiebreakers in for every conference, etc.)
New York Post article on VU and Butler in this year's NCAA (copied from the VU FB Twitter site).
If the Crusaders get out of the HLT the Post pics us to match up with Butler in the first round.
http://m.nypost.com/;s=dfXcLMkZPfAmmfBiyEjSU16;cookieEnabled=0/f/mobile/sports/college/basketball/good_dogs_IaEDaEDPl1qB7xq1zyp7NI (http://m.nypost.com/;s=dfXcLMkZPfAmmfBiyEjSU16;cookieEnabled=0/f/mobile/sports/college/basketball/good_dogs_IaEDaEDPl1qB7xq1zyp7NI)
That is a fun scenario to think about
If Valpo makes the NCAA tournament, it will be either a 13 or 14 seed...and my guess is that Butler will ultimately be a 5 or 6 seed. So a Butler matchup is unlikely. I really don't want to see a Valpo-Kansas matchup - but I think Kansas has righted the ship and will be no less than a 2 seed (note that if Valpo played Kansas, it would be in Kansas City).
Butler a 10 or higher. Said it before, but as setshot (or my dad too) would put it, BOOK IT
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 20, 2013, 11:00:19 AMWould be nice if Detriot dropped to the 3 and played one more game.
Juwuan Jr. didn't play today. This makes the rotation even thinner.
So I was curious to see how Detroit could end up without a bye. I think I've conceived an excellent and very reasonable plan that puts Detroit on the 3 line. I've added what seed they would end up with this scenario, they are currently sorted by their current seed.
| Team | Opp #1 | Result | Opp #2 | Result |
| #1 Valparaiso | YSU | W | @UWGB | L |
| #3 Detroit | Loyola | W | @UIC | L |
| #4 UWGB | UWM | W | Valpo | W |
| #2 Wright St. | @UIC | W | YSU | W |
| #6 YSU | @Valpo | L | @WSU | L |
| #5 UIC | WSU | L | Detroit | W |
| #7 Cleveland St. | @Loyola | W | |
| #8 Loyola | @Detroit | L | CSU | L |
| #9 UWM | @UWGB | L | |
Very good post! And yes, reasonable if not probable.
Although Stl will have to weigh in to make it official :)
Um, you'll have to construct a scenario in which they get the 4 seed in order to deny them a bye.
Detroit loses to both Loyola and UIC.
WSU beats both UIC and YSU.
GB beats Valpo and Milwaukee.
This would result in:
1. Valpo 11-5 or 12-4
2. WSU 11-5
3. GB 11-5
4. Detroit 10-6
4 out of 256 chance (Tuesday's game at the ARC and the Loyola-CSU game don't matter).
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 25, 2013, 01:49:42 PMSo I was curious to see how Detroit could end up without a bye. I think I've conceived an excellent and very reasonable plan that puts Detroit on the 3 line. I've added what seed they would end up with this scenario, they are currently sorted by their current seed. | Team | Opp #1 | Result | Opp #2 | Result |
| #1 Valparaiso | YSU | W | @UWGB | L |
| #3 Detroit | Loyola | W | @UIC | L |
| #4 UWGB | UWM | W | Valpo | W |
| #2 Wright St. | @UIC | W | YSU | W |
| #6 YSU | @Valpo | L | @WSU | L |
| #5 UIC | WSU | L | Detroit | W |
| #7 Cleveland St. | @Loyola | W | |
| #8 Loyola | @Detroit | L | CSU | L |
| #9 UWM | @UWGB | L | |
After the way Bradley came back to beat UIC at the Pavilion in their bracketbuster game I just don't see Detroit losing to UIC.
Quote from: historyman on February 25, 2013, 03:56:04 PM
After the way Bradley came back to beat UIC at the Pavilion in their bracketbuster game I just don't see Detroit losing to UIC.
Detroit will be playing their 3rd game in 5 days, in Detroit, Philly and then Chicago. UIC will have a home game Tuesday and then Detroit on Saturday. Detroit will be exhausted from a lot of travel, UIC will be getting home cooking, and sleeping in their own beds. I predict a very tired Junior and company will look sluggish and lose it in the end against UIC.
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 25, 2013, 03:55:38 PMUm, you'll have to construct a scenario in which they get the 4 seed in order to deny them a bye.
Detroit loses to both Loyola and UIC.
WSU beats both UIC and YSU.
GB beats Valpo and Milwaukee.
This would result in:
1. Valpo 11-5 or 12-4
2. WSU 11-5
3. GB 11-5
4. Detroit 10-6
4 out of 256 chance (Tuesday's game at the ARC and the Loyola-CSU game don't matter).
I guess I meant something that would prevent them from getting the 2 seed so they have to play 3 games at the ARC. We really want them to play 3 but if there's still possibilities for them to finish 4th and have to play 4 then by all means, GO THAT SCENARIO!
Anyone know Juwan Howard Jr.'s status? Without his services (hip) and no bench scoring against a good Wichita State team Saturday, it seems Detroit could be in for a tough time if the circumstances remain the same, regardless of the level of competition. Three games in five days at the end of a long season is tough even at full strength
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 25, 2013, 04:07:58 PMDetroit will be playing their 3rd game in 5 days, in Detroit, Philly and then Chicago. UIC will have a home game Tuesday and then Detroit on Saturday. Detroit will be exhausted from a lot of travel, UIC will be getting home cooking, and sleeping in their own beds. I predict a very tired Junior and company will look sluggish and lose it in the end against UIC.
I still don't see it. UIC has certainly had very good chances to win important games and they haven't done it. The Northwestern win was UIC surprising the Wildcats and Northwestern playing poorly on another team's floor. The talent level difference is so great between UIC and Detroit.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 25, 2013, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: historyman on February 25, 2013, 03:56:04 PM
After the way Bradley came back to beat UIC at the Pavilion in their bracketbuster game I just don't see Detroit losing to UIC.
Detroit will be playing their 3rd game in 5 days, in Detroit, Philly and then Chicago. UIC will have a home game Tuesday and then Detroit on Saturday. Detroit will be exhausted from a lot of travel, UIC will be getting home cooking, and sleeping in their own beds. I predict a very tired Junior and company will look sluggish and lose it in the end against UIC.
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 25, 2013, 03:55:38 PMUm, you'll have to construct a scenario in which they get the 4 seed in order to deny them a bye.
Detroit loses to both Loyola and UIC.
WSU beats both UIC and YSU.
GB beats Valpo and Milwaukee.
This would result in:
1. Valpo 11-5 or 12-4
2. WSU 11-5
3. GB 11-5
4. Detroit 10-6
4 out of 256 chance (Tuesday's game at the ARC and the Loyola-CSU game don't matter).
I guess I meant something that would prevent them from getting the 2 seed so they have to play 3 games at the ARC. We really want them to play 3 but if there's still possibilities for them to finish 4th and have to play 4 then by all means, GO THAT SCENARIO!
According to my spreadsheet, your scenario does just that. Actually, the CSU-Loyola game doesn't matter, but all the rest of it is necessary. 2 out of 256 chance.
Obviously the overwhelming majority of the scenarios have Detroit as the 2 seed.
So, what do we know, with eight teams having one game left to play? Finally the calculus starts to seem tractable.
Valpo clinched the #1 seed tonight.
Detroit clinched #2.
Green Bay can earn the #3 seed if they beat us. Otherwise, if they lose and Wright State wins (hosting YSU), Green Bay falls to #4.
Wright State will do no worse than #4.
UIC and YSU are currently tied for fifth, with UIC hosting Detroit and YSU playing at Wright State. If they stay tied, YSU has the tiebreaker with their victory over us.
If Loyola can hold court against Cleveland State, they'll have the tiebreaker and take the #7 seed. Otherwise, it's Cleveland State.
Milwaukee's "clinched" #9. And is the only team done playing until the conference tournament.
So, all that said, #3-#8 are all still up in the air.
Detroit has to play at Temple Thursday.
And, all four of Saturday's conference games have implications for HL tournament seeding.
Who would you like to play in the semi-finals?
Quote from: agibson on February 26, 2013, 10:32:03 PM
UIC and YSU are currently tied for fifth, with UIC hosting Detroit and YSU playing at Wright State. If they stay tied, YSU has the tiebreaker with their victory over us.
You were doing good up until this point. UIC wins the tiebreaker because they swept YSU.
Everything else was spot on :)
Quote from: agibson on February 26, 2013, 10:32:03 PMFinally the calculus starts to seem tractable.
Hmm... well, I did say _seem_ tractable!
I would rather see WSU than GB in the semis. GB can surprise us at home, whereas WSU really won't. I also want GB to beat Detroit in the other semi :)
Quote from: valpotx on February 26, 2013, 11:40:00 PM
I would rather see WSU than GB in the semis. GB can surprise us at home, whereas WSU really won't. I also want GB to beat Detroit in the other semi :)
I agree. Nothing against WSU. They've had a great season, but they don't seem to have anyone who can stop KVW. GB's bigs match up better.
Quote from: agibson on February 26, 2013, 10:32:03 PMGreen Bay can earn the #3 seed if they beat us. Otherwise, if they lose and Wright State wins (hosting YSU), Green Bay falls to #4.
So Green Bay is playing for a single bye and to possibly play 2 games at the HL tourney in Valpo and possibly the HL championship game most likely on the road. GB as the #3 seed would play at Valpo with their first HL tourney game against the winner of the #7 vs #6 game on Friday, March 8.If the Phoenix lose to Valpo, and WSU wins, GB would have an extra game at home against Milwaukee that GB must win to continue in the HL tournament as the #4 seed. (Seed #9 plays at seed #4 on Tuesday. March 5) Then when GB beats Milwaukee they would then play the winner of the #5 vs #8 game at Valpo on Friday. March 8.Valpo, on the other hand, is playing for the right to claim a solo HL title and not tie Detroit for first place.Seems to me the motivation is far more in Valpo's corner because I know for sure that the players don't want to share a title with those lowly and unsportsmanlike Titan players. ;D
Quote from: valpotx on February 26, 2013, 11:40:00 PMI would rather see WSU than GB in the semis.
True, but ironically, while we need to beat GB for our seed's sake (and yes to avoid sharing), which only makes it more likely that we see GB again.
The only outcome that would be acceptable is that YSU beat WSU and then when we win we'll get a much easier semi.
I do think you want Detroit playing Green Bay in the semis. Green Bay sure screwed up losing in OT at home to Wright State. It's nice to finally be able to start speculating without wondering if we will somehow drop a seed or two.
As it turns out, that VU win on the road vs. Detroit saved the whole league from having to play the tourney in Detroit.
If I'm a player, I would want to BEAT Detroit at home!
Folks who think they may be coming in for Saturday HL Tourney games (and are Valpo fans), still plenty of rooms available at the Country Inn & Suites. Lets fill the ARC and the local hotels.
Quote from: valpo84 on February 28, 2013, 10:24:54 AM
Folks who think they may be coming in for Saturday HL Tourney games (and are Valpo fans), still plenty of rooms available at the Country Inn & Suites. Lets fill the ARC and the local hotels.
Bonus: I get free housing when I come to Valpo, so that's one more room available ;)
STL, please correct if these are wrong, but I think they are good...
#1 - Valpo
#2 - Detroit
#3/#4 - UWGB/WSU (WSU owns tiebreak based on season sweep)...tie only happens with VU WIN + WSU WIN
#5/#6 - UIC/YSU (UIC owns tiebreak based on season sweep)...tie only happens if BOTH WIN OR BOTH LOSE
#7/#8 - LOY/CSU...tie only happens with LOY WIN OVER CSU (which would also give LOY the tiebreak based on season sweep)
#9 - Milwaukee
This matches the STL-corrected version of what I posted here two days ago. So, I think you're good.
Quote from: agibson on February 28, 2013, 11:21:24 AMThis matches the STL-corrected version of what I posted here two days ago
OK...I tried to make it nice and simple for myself...I confuse easily. :)
Yeah, Tuesday night really took all the fun out tiebreaker analysis for masochists like me ;)
Regarding Detroit winning on Tuesday - other than the possibility of VU/Detroit tying for the title and wanting to Detroit to lose for that reason (other than hatred) - I'm pretty sure that it's in Valpo's best interest for Detroit to be the 2 or 3 seed, correct? Falling to the No. 4 seed, although it means more games, also would have meant a Valpo-Detroit 1 vs. 4 matchup on Saturday. I don't think anyone would have wanted that.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 28, 2013, 11:52:06 AMFalling to the No. 4 seed, although it means more games, also would have meant a Valpo-Detroit 1 vs. 4 matchup on Saturday. I don't think anyone would have wanted that.
I don't know. Playing them on Saturday means their second game in two days, and they'll probably be generally less rested (coming off a fairly busy two weeks, etc.). Playing them on Tuesday _probably_ means Detroit's better rested.
We're likely going to have to get through them sometime. I don't know how much it matters if it's on Saturday or Tuesday.
Best case is that we beat GB and WSU loses. Therefore, GB still gets the 3 seed and knocks off Detroit.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 28, 2013, 11:52:06 AMRegarding Detroit winning on Tuesday - other than the possibility of VU/Detroit tying for the title and wanting to Detroit to lose for that reason (other than hatred) - I'm pretty sure that it's in Valpo's best interest for Detroit to be the 2 or 3 seed, correct? Falling to the No. 4 seed, although it means more games, also would have meant a Valpo-Detroit 1 vs. 4 matchup on Saturday. I don't think anyone would have wanted that.
Detroit already clinched the 2 seed with their win over Loyola. If we see Detroit, it will be for some revenge on Tuesday night in the finals
All the seeding scenarios are now on the Horizon League website.
Now that Detroit clinched the #2 I don't think it matters who they play in the semis. Now they won't have fatigue in the semis or overlook the quarters team.
Wright State split with Detroit. They won by 2 and lost by 7. They are as capable of knocking off Detroit in the semi's as GB is, assuming they're at full strength.
You guys are wasting your time. It doesn't matter who we play in the HL tournament. If a senior-laden team, with what should be huge motivation to reach the NCAAs, can't win this thing on its home floor, then we don't deserve to go anywhere but the nobody-really-cares NIT.
Paul
This team has done well so far, winning on the road for an outright title, will complete a great season. Valpo has not had any post season success in the last 10 years, Winning the HL tournament will set this team apart from all other teams in the past and set the stage for possable success in the NCAA Tournament. This should be the goal for the rest of the year. So how about we need a 24-7 regular and a 5-1 post season record will make this team note worthy. Can they get there? :)
Quote from: 78crusader on February 28, 2013, 08:27:01 PMYou guys are wasting your time. It doesn't matter who we play in the HL tournament. If a senior-laden team, with what should be huge motivation to reach the NCAAs, can't win this thing on its home floor, then we don't deserve to go anywhere but the nobody-really-cares NIT. Paul
Kind of pointless to spend your time on a message board telling others posting on a message board that they are wasting their time on any subject. What is a message board for? If you're not interested in it don't read it.
Quote from: VUfan on February 28, 2013, 09:51:14 PMValpo has not had any post season success in the last 10 years
We'll always have Paris. Er, Washington.
Quote from: agibson on March 01, 2013, 08:34:19 AM
Quote from: VUfan on February 28, 2013, 09:51:14 PMValpo has not had any post season success in the last 10 years
We'll always have Paris. Er, Washington.
bryan bouchie. huge game. then transfers. last time we beat a bcs conference school.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 01, 2013, 09:29:29 AMlast time we beat a bcs conference school.
eh. last time he did too.
1. Valpo
2. Detroit
3. Wright State
4. Green Bay
5. UIC
6. Youngstown State
7. Loyola
8. Cleveland State
9. Milwaukee
Has anyone set up a bracket graphic?
(http://oi47.tinypic.com/t9705w.jpg)
Molto graci! Was wondering how that would set up.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 02, 2013, 06:10:58 PMMolto graci! Was wondering how that would set up.
You're welcome! I learned some stuff about Mac Preview whilst whipping that up.
Also I learned how many teams in our conference are either red or green.
I hate to be a whore, but I wrote a fanpost over at Mid-Major Madness (http://www.midmajormadness.com/2013/3/4/4063484/previewing-the-horizon-league-conference-tourney) previewing the HL first round.
If you don't want to read it, here's my prediction
Milwaukee has no answer for the Brown-Fouse-Cougill front court. Green Bay wins 75-60.
The winner of this game will get it's doors blown off by UWGB. Cleveland State wins 60-55.
Youngstown proves to have too much fire power for Loyola. Youngstown State wins 70-65.
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 04, 2013, 03:11:29 PM
I hate to be a whore, but I wrote a fanpost over at Mid-Major Madness (http://www.midmajormadness.com/2013/3/4/4063484/previewing-the-horizon-league-conference-tourney) previewing the HL first round.
If you don't want to read it, here's my prediction
Milwaukee has no answer for the Brown-Fouse-Cougill front court. Green Bay wins 75-60.
The winner of this game will get it's doors blown off by UWGB. Cleveland State wins 60-55.
Youngstown proves to have too much fire power for Loyola. Youngstown State wins 70-65.
Funny, my bracket looks just the opposite for the most part:
GB over Milwaukee
Loyola over YSU
UIC over CSU
UIC over GB
WSU over Loyola
WSU over Detroit
Valpo over UIC
Valpo wins!!
Quote from: vu72 on March 04, 2013, 03:22:24 PM
Funny, my bracket looks just the opposite for the most part:
GB over Milwaukee
Loyola over YSU
UIC over CSU
UIC over GB
WSU over Loyola
WSU over Detroit
Valpo over UIC
Valpo wins!!
Yeah for further rounds I have:
GB over UIC
WSU over Loyola
Valpo over GB
Detroit over WSU
Valpo over Detroit
Crusaders sit back as Horizon League tournament begins
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/crusaders-sit-back-as-horizon-league-tournament-begins/article_cafb8aaf-b01a-54f1-b9c9-6b54b2d5f06a.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/crusaders-sit-back-as-horizon-league-tournament-begins/article_cafb8aaf-b01a-54f1-b9c9-6b54b2d5f06a.html)
Scouting the Horizon League men's basketball tournament
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/scouting-the-horizon-league-men-s-basketball-tournament/article_09ecbdc0-5f17-5250-a656-61a9a7a0f2f0.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/scouting-the-horizon-league-men-s-basketball-tournament/article_09ecbdc0-5f17-5250-a656-61a9a7a0f2f0.html)
Just opened up the CBSsports site to get some scores... and who's picture is staring at me? JR. along with this story: Under the headline:
Horizon (March 5-12 -- Campus sites of higher seeds)
What we expect to happen: Valparaiso and Detroit battled down the stretch during the season, but the Crusaders came out on top. In the conference tourney, the tables will turn -- Ray McCallum will carry the Titans to the NCAA tournament.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21811414/conference-tournaments-get-your-2013-brackets-predictions (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21811414/conference-tournaments-get-your-2013-brackets-predictions)
If that were to happen... would the NIT send us to Waco ?
This will sound like a homer statement, but I will be amazed if we don't win the tournament. As for Detroit, we dominated them for 30 minutes at the ARC before fading in the last 10. Since then we have dominated every opponent. This team is running on all cylinders right now, is on a mission, and will not be stopped by anyone in the Horizon League. Book it!
Don't worry, talksalot. I wouldn't take the prognostication of Mr. Borzello very seriously IMHO. He also thinks Evansville will win the Missouri Valley Championship. UE would likely have to beat Indiana State, Creighton, AND Wichita State. :crazy:
My pick of course is Valpo. Hail Crusaders!
Horizon League: Simply put, it's Valpo's tournament to lose
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18633357-556/horizon-league-simply-put-its-valpos-tournament-to-lose.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18633357-556/horizon-league-simply-put-its-valpos-tournament-to-lose.html)
Looks like the entire lower level is sold out for Saturday's games, less a handful of single open seats. Appears to be appx. 900 seats still available in the mezzanine - BB, CC & DD. Looks like AA and EE are being held for visiting teams.
I'll take these:
GB over Milwaukee, UIC over YSU, Loyola over Cleveland St.
GB over UIC, Loyola over Wright St.
Valpo over GB, Detroit over Loyola,.....then Valpo over Detroit
Quote from: wh on March 04, 2013, 10:21:05 PMThis will sound like a homer statement, but I will be amazed if we don't win the tournament. As for Detroit, we dominated them for 30 minutes at the ARC before fading in the last 10. Since then we have dominated every opponent. This team is running on all cylinders right now, is on a mission, and will not be stopped by anyone in the Horizon League. Book it!
I totally agree with this statement. I have the feeling that through sheer determination that Valpo will find a way to persevere on their home court and find a way to beat Detroit. I believe that this Valpo team is hitting on all cylinders and it really showed in the way they beat Green Bay in Wisconsin, a place where they have never had much luck (only one win since Valpo joined the HL up till their second win on Saturday afternoon). I feel the seniors see this as their last chance and will not let what happened to them last year in the HL tournament and in the Detroit at Valpo game at the ARC this season happen again. They have experienced the disappointment and now it's time to experience the rewards and make the NCAA tournament and possibly win a game or two in the Big Dance.
Hopefully Rowdy comes out strong, trying to show that he should have been POY.
This ESPN reporter picks Detroit:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9018046/previewing-picking-winners-first-week-conference-tournaments-college-basketball (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9018046/previewing-picking-winners-first-week-conference-tournaments-college-basketball)
Another guru picks against Valpo. Bulletin Board material.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/forde-minutes--with-march-proving-ground-upon-us--every-team-is-fighting-for-something-070500998.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/forde-minutes--with-march-proving-ground-upon-us--every-team-is-fighting-for-something-070500998.html)
Quote from: valpo84 on March 05, 2013, 12:09:40 PM
Another guru picks against Valpo. Bulletin Board material.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/forde-minutes--with-march-proving-ground-upon-us--every-team-is-fighting-for-something-070500998.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/forde-minutes--with-march-proving-ground-upon-us--every-team-is-fighting-for-something-070500998.html)
Another goofy opinion. What did he mean when he said "but can they do it again, particularly with no Butler around" (or some such wording). If I didn't know better I would think that they beat Butler for the title. So, does it mean that Butler was easy and now they aren't around to be the cupcake? We beat Butler and they had no impact on the tourney. Just don't get these ESPN writers.
QuoteDark horse: Detroit, which has won eight of its last nine league games.
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Minutes pick: Detroit. Ray McCallum Jr. raised his game and carried the Titans to the title last year, and he can do it again, especially with no Butler to deal with this time around.
Does Forde not know the definition of "dark horse" or could he not think of a better word to use? A dark horse, by definition, would be an entity little is known about or has only a small chance to win. Simply put, a surprise team. If all these people are picking Detroit to beat Valpo, what's the surprise?
All these picks bug me because it implies to me that these people don't think Valpo can win "the big one." I say we prove those people wrong next Tuesday, but of course, we need a win on Saturday first.
Detroit will be lucky to see 2 games in the ARC. Titans are going to tripp against WSU like they have once already this season. Ray Jr. will get upset and declare he's leaving for the NBA.
He's saying that it should be easier this time for Detroit since Butler is no longer in the conference. Obviously, he didn't pay attention last year. The bottom of his article has Homer/Bryce talking about the shot on video as well.
It's a pretty neat video: http://sports.yahoo.com/video/father-son-relive-epic-shot-023000437.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/video/father-son-relive-epic-shot-023000437.html)
Some guy purporting to be from the Horizon League called me on my cell a half hour ago and left me a message about ticket opportunities for the HL tourney. I called him back and got his voice mail which said he was with the Michael Jordan foundation, so I hung up and deleted the voice mail. He called me back because he saw that I tried to call him. I told him that his voice mail says he's with the Michael Jordan foundation and he had no idea what I was talking about. At any rate, I told him I already have my tickets. He asked me if I had any questions, and I just said no and hung up. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I could probably answer his questions since I grew up there and was there last March.
??? :crazy:
If the first game is any indication of how exciting the whole tourney will be, we're gonna have a lot of fun.
YSU 62, LUC 60
DJ Cole went 1-on-1 on the Penguins' last possession, drove in and banked in a contested shot from the left side of the lane in the last seconds. LUC could not score to tie or win it at the buzzer. Very dramatic final moments to say the least.
Indeed. He probably heard all the awful things I was saying about him.
Wonder if Perry can come back the later they play into the tourney?
Do you all know if they'll be selling tickets game day Saturday at the ARC or would it be easier just to have them at will call?
Quote from: valpotx on March 05, 2013, 01:54:18 PM
He's saying that it should be easier this time for Detroit since Butler is no longer in the conference. Obviously, he didn't pay attention last year. The bottom of his article has Homer/Bryce talking about the shot on video as well.
Um, correct me if I am wrong but didn't Detroit WIN the HL tourney?
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 06, 2013, 02:10:52 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 05, 2013, 01:54:18 PM
He's saying that it should be easier this time for Detroit since Butler is no longer in the conference. Obviously, he didn't pay attention last year. The bottom of his article has Homer/Bryce talking about the shot on video as well.
Um, correct me if I am wrong but didn't Detroit WIN the HL tourney?
They didn't have to play Butler last year.
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 06, 2013, 02:10:52 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 05, 2013, 01:54:18 PM
He's saying that it should be easier this time for Detroit since Butler is no longer in the conference. Obviously, he didn't pay attention last year. The bottom of his article has Homer/Bryce talking about the shot on video as well.
Um, correct me if I am wrong but didn't Detroit WIN the HL tourney?
I will gladly correct you :). I was speaking to the fact that they didn't play Butler last year, as Stl mentioned ;)
Quote from: Goraiders93 on March 06, 2013, 01:59:32 PMDo you all know if they'll be selling tickets game day Saturday at the ARC or would it be easier just to have them at will call?
I would go will call so you can secure a better seat.
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 06, 2013, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: Goraiders93 on March 06, 2013, 01:59:32 PMDo you all know if they'll be selling tickets game day Saturday at the ARC or would it be easier just to have them at will call?
I would go will call so you can secure a better seat.
Hope we don't lose Friday ;)
Quote from: Goraiders93 on March 06, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 06, 2013, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: Goraiders93 on March 06, 2013, 01:59:32 PMDo you all know if they'll be selling tickets game day Saturday at the ARC or would it be easier just to have them at will call?
I would go will call so you can secure a better seat.
Hope we don't lose Friday ;)
I will be there and am looking forward to seeing what should be two really good games. I love college basketball, and this is a unique opportunity to see some additional HL action right where I live and at a very reasonable price. Good luck to the Raiders (and the other teams). :)
I was at the university this afternoon, and for those coming to Valpo to attend the tournament this weekend from other regions, I thought you might like to see what the campus looked like today after almost a foot of snowfall. The forecast is for warmer weather by Friday and Saturday, with temperatures in the 40s on Friday and perhaps 50 on Saturday, so much of this will have melted by then.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/357r3uw.jpg)
Beautiful. We got about 4 inches here and they're forecasting 57 degrees tomorrow. Haha. Came up for the regular season game. Not expecting quite that crowd for the WSU/UDM game but it should be a good match up. (Again, assuming we get by YSU). Good luck to the Crusaders until Tuesday ;) They tend to represent the HL with class.
Not that we care, but if we did: UIC or GB?UIC IJanuary 9: Valpo 75, @UIC 70.
POG: Rowdy 21 & 10.
Enemy POG: Talton 25 & 4 ast.
(http://images.mefeedia.com/alf-pogs-32291175-250.jpg)
Was it Father's Day?: No, but close: 13 ties, the last at 2:34 of the second half (61-61) .
Looked bad when: Hayden Humes and Josh Crittle went on an outside-inside run that put the Flames up 44-35 with 16:00 to play in the second half.
But then: The Flames actually increased the lead to double digits on a Talton trey at 15:20, but then were held scoreless for precisely 5 minutes, while Rowdy and LVD (yes, truth, look it up, 13 second-half points) went to work and whittled it down.
Until finally: SIX different Crusaders scored in the last 2 1/2 to pull away. That...I'm guessing is not often done.
Putting the fun in fundamentals: FTs: 43 for 48 (89.6%), VU 25-30, UIC 18-18. VU 6-6 in the last 12 seconds to ice it.
Quotes:
Quote"I saw a Chicago kid that came home and played with a purpose," UIC coach Howard Moore said of Dority. "He was very aggressive and he inserted his physicality right away."
...
"I was just playing to win," Dority said. "Just taking good shots and making it through the stretch. I was able to step up and hit some shots."
UIC Part DeuxFebruary 5: @Valpo 86, UIC 61.
POG: Rowdy 22 & 6.
Enemy POG: Crittle 12 & 5.
Just because: (http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/77372_0HfNrTom36xDgSr.jpg)
Is there a rhyme about UIC you've been dying to share?: I thought you'd never ask.
Crittle's not little / And Talton's not tall
But Hayden Humes might be / The best of them all
Because I'm biased.*
(
note: my bias is simply pro-VHS, thank you.)
Looked bad when: Hayden Humes hit 2 FTs to open up the critical 7-2 lead with only 37:23 to play.
But then: We do what we do, or rather, Rowdy did what only Rowdy can do (5-6 1st half 3 pointers). The lead ballooned to 35 points with under 5 to play (84-49) until the Flames decided to make it (more) respectable.
Until finally: My man Vashil got 13 minutes, 2 boards, and an acrobatic layup.
Putting the fun in fundamentals: VU 60% from the floor. 57.7% from behind the arc.
Oh, and the teams, 30-36 (83.3%) from the line (VU 11-12, UIC 19-24). For the series: 73-84, or 86.9% (VU 36/42, 85.7%, UIC 37/42, 88.1%). For the
season, though, VU 73.5% and UIC 75%. Slackers.
For a while: This was VU's best performance of the season, statistically, until the EKU game.
Quotes (featuring quote of the year nominee):
Quote"I didn't even realize how deep the shot was," Broekhoff said. "I saw on the clock there were only four seconds left. I'd made the last couple, and I shot it with confidence."
...
"I just try to keep the energy high," Capobianco said. "The numbers are just a testament to our hard work every day in practice. Tonight was just a culmination of that."
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"It felt like we were in quicksand the entire game," UIC coach Howard Moore said. "Credit to Valparaiso. They played like the top team in the league tonight, and we played awful on defense."
UWGBJanuary 22: @Valpo 73, GB 61.
POG: Rowdy 19 & 9.
Enemy POG: Brown 18 & 6.
Actual picture of Alec Brown in high school:(http://worthopedia.s3.amazonaws.com/images/thumbnails2/1/0208/28/1_61bbdf6145671af30cdce7d82910fd70.jpg)
Looked bad when: Well, we never trailed. We had a first-half lead of 16. There was a difficult moment when they cut it to 38-37 with 17:11 in the 2nd, and then a KVW 3-pointer (the play not the shot) restored sanity to the world.
But then: We do what we do, or hold them scoreless for 4:46 of game time. They were held without a FG for a 9:09 stretch in there too. (!!!)
Until finally: We crushed our enemies and saw them driven before us.
This was: VU's best performance of the season, statistically, supplanting the aforementioned EKU game, with a BPI score of 96.5 (100 being the perfect game).
Putting the fun in fundamentals: FTs (again!): 44-54 (81.5%): VU 27-33 (81.8%, behind 14-15 from Rowdy)
, GB 17-21 (81%).
This all sounds like the work of:(http://www.valpolife.com/images_old/Sports/roundtable_virgil.jpg)
Quotes:Quote"I missed a couple of shots that I'd normally make," Broekhoff said. "They were really good at getting through screens and they made sure to locate me. I'm just lucky enough I was able to find my way to the free throw line."
...
"We just kept playing our game," Van Wijk said. "We didn't really set up plays; just trying to find the open man. The perimeter guys did an awesome job."
UWGB the SqueakquelMarch 2: Valpo 75, GB 56.
POG: KENNEYYYYYY 21 & the same number of rebounds as 7'1"
Enemy POG: Alec Brown 15 & 4.
How Cougill intends to go pro after they lose:(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/656/073/john-daly-fat-stomach_display_image.jpg?1295629479)
Looked bad when: Cougill tied it with 5 minutes in the 1st at 16-all.
But then: We flattened them 13-4 to end the half and then ran them over in the 2nd.
Until finally: We heard the lamentations of their women.
Putting the fun in fundamentals: FTs ... eh not so much (14-22 combined, 63.6%).
This sounds more like the work of:(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/387/683/53229146_display_image.jpg?1284072220)
Quotes (not about this, but about the HL POY just because):Quote"Maybe (I am) a little upset from a personal standpoint, but we won the conference and we've set ourselves up for a chance at the NCAA tournament," Broekhoff said. "In the end it is a team game."
So average score:VU 80.5, UIC 65.5
VU 74, GB 58.5
So who would you rather play? Who do you think will win? (i.e., are they the same?)
I would much rather play UIC, as they don't have Alec Brown. Though I don't see him as worthy of the NBA talk he gets, he has prior dominant games against us. Though Talton had a good game against us at UIC, their team does not scare me at all. I will be hoping that UIC wins, but predict that GB will win by 8. Maybe we will get to see if Sykes was worthy of that first team nod, but I think Buggs shuts him down for a third time.
Honestly I would rather play UWGB but I think UIC will have some home court advantage and pull off the win.
Crusaders leaning on past Horizon League tournament experience
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/crusaders-leaning-on-past-horizon-league-tournament-experience/article_5e0218d1-51bc-56eb-9650-fbd315a4f95f.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/crusaders-leaning-on-past-horizon-league-tournament-experience/article_5e0218d1-51bc-56eb-9650-fbd315a4f95f.html)
Valparaiso itching for another shot at Horizon League title, NCAA bid
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18704466-556/valparaiso-itching-for-another-shot-at-horizon-league-title-ncaa-bid.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18704466-556/valparaiso-itching-for-another-shot-at-horizon-league-title-ncaa-bid.html)
Wright State vs. Youngstown State about to begin: http://www.horizonleague.org/live/8556 (http://www.horizonleague.org/live/8556)
detroit gets wright state tomorrow evening. i'm taking detroit by 25.
Neither a second-half rally nor even the return of Kendrick Perry (!!!--11 points, 6 reb, 4 fouls) was enough for YSU to overcome 19 in the first half, and they fall to WSU 66-59. Better than their last time matching up!
WSU will have a hard time without the Darling boy tomorrow, as much as I'd like for them to give Detroit the hard time!
Well, UIC proved once again that it's not healthy to go 6+ minutes without scoring, but Josh Crittle has come out in the second half inspired. Dude is a load.
Kind of sad that, as of tonight, he has now taken more shots this year than in all three seasons he played combined. LOAD
That was controversial. GB was trying to take a timeout for like 5 seconds in that last possession...
I think Sykes was just trying to prove himself to you, tex.
He was 6/15...he didn't prove anything other than he likes to shoot ;)
Looks like we play GB, after a 3 point game winner with 1 second left.
How many tickets do you think are left for Saturday night?
Quote from: truth219 on March 08, 2013, 11:15:17 PM
How many tickets do you think are left for Saturday night?
I would call the Valpo Ticket Office to find out. Just because a certain website selling the tickets to the HL tourney does not show a lot of tickets remaining does not mean the ticket office has not held back some good tickets to sell to walk up customers.
I have my tickets, I was just wondering how big of a crowd to expect
There are plenty of tickets up stairs. So please encourage your friends and neighbors to get out to the arc and watching some basketball.
I was hoping for a sell out
I thought some folks might be interested in seeing what is now hanging over the court for the tournament:
(http://i48.tinypic.com/35jwdh0.jpg)
Is that WH up there acting like Vanna White to that banner?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 08, 2013, 07:41:06 PMNeither a second-half rally nor even the return of Kendrick Perry (!!!--11 points, 6 reb, 4 fouls) was enough for YSU to overcome 19 in the first half, and they fall to WSU 66-59. Better than their last time matching up!
In 25 minutes off the bench. Interesting. There was a piece in the Youngstown paper the other day about their post-season prospects. Describing how they'd _never_ been to the post-season, were willing to pay to host a game, and how Perry would likely be available in the post-season.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2013/mar/07/ysu-men-look-to-earn-another-tourney-ber/?newswatch (http://www.vindy.com/news/2013/mar/07/ysu-men-look-to-earn-another-tourney-ber/?newswatch)
Even being willing to pay to host, I'm not sure they have the credentials.
Quote
WSU will have a hard time without the Darling boy tomorrow, as much as I'd like for them to give Detroit the hard time!
What's his diagnosis? Only his junior year, but if you're ever going to let it all hang out...
Are we going without a VU gameday thread?
Looks like I'll be limited by the ESPNU blackout again :(
Vegas has us as 8-9 point favorites...
I hope the team is much more pumped than I am for tonight.
I'm guessing the crowd will be a little tentative until we can take a strong lead.
Quote from: agibson on March 09, 2013, 01:21:29 PMQuote (selected)WSU will have a hard time without the Darling boy tomorrow, as much as I'd like for them to give Detroit the hard time!What's his diagnosis? Only his junior year, but if you're ever going to let it all hang out...
He was on the bench last night in a boot. That's usually a pretty good sign its not real good at this point.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 09, 2013, 02:38:44 PMHe was on the bench last night in a boot. That's usually a pretty good sign its not real good at this point.
Or... a made for TV moment!
Interpreting chef's twitter feed
https://twitter.com/ToddIckow
It sounds like Brandon McPherson will be on color tonight?
And Adam Amin may make an appearance.... if not on color... for Tuesday's game?
I checked that on the game preview for tonight. On WAKE, we'll have our very own chef on the play-by-play with special guest color commentator, Valpo Grad, Brandon McPherson on the color commentary. For those who can't do both radio and tv at the same time, ESPNU will have Jim Barbar on the play-by-play and Malcolm Huckaby on the color commentary. I would love to hear Adam Amin on the play-by-play of the Horizon League Championship Game on Tuesday evening. Would ESPN allow him to call a tournament game for his alma mater though?
The implication from chef's twitter feed was that Adam might be somehow involved with the WAKE broadcast on Tuesday. But, in some auxiliary sort of fashion.
Maybe a three man crew on WAKE for Tuesday night? I could dig that, especially if the tv side is relegated to another night of Jim Barbar calling the action. He's like the Horizon League version of Dan McLaughlin, from the Mid-Con Game of the Week days. Was annoying as ever, and never got better.
Quote from: valporun on March 09, 2013, 04:04:43 PMFor those who can't do both radio and tv at the same time
I can't handle anything that's more than slightly out of sync. I'd be happy for an app that would stream WAKE with a solid, on the fly configurable, delay setting.
(Or likewise for ESPN/HLN; or, all of the above!)
No radio for the Detroit game! Do they not have regular radio coverage?
Pleasantly, if you watch the game live on espn3.com it's not blacked out. The reply, on ESPNU, is blacked out.
Quote from: agibson on March 09, 2013, 01:22:43 PM
Are we going without a VU gameday thread?
Have one now!
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1305.0 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1305.0)
Quote from: valporun on March 09, 2013, 04:04:43 PM
Would ESPN allow him to call a tournament game for his alma mater though?
they let other folks, granted as analysts rather than pbp. so who knows what they'd allow.
Is StlVUFan sitting behind the announcers? I think that is him
Don't look now... oh go ahead and look
Raiders up 51-49, 3:06 to play!
HELLLLLLLLLLLLLL YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! Goodbye Detroit ;D
DIXON AT THE BUZZER TO DEFEAT DETROIT!
MCCALLOUS!
this is amazing.
the newly crowned "player of the year" finished the game 1-7 from the field, and a whopping 5 points. 4 turnovers to 0 assists. how's that 'unselfish' thing workin out?
A big stat from that game WSU bench: 29pts Detroit bench: 1pt
Nice going Wright State! They hung in there throughout! :thumbsup:
Big bench numbers, the Titans did have a weakness there all year...
tx, that was StlVUFan behind the announcers. I sent him a tweet asking him about that too.
i almost posted here about 8 minutes into the second half, but didn't want to jinx it. i figured that as long as wright state could keep detroit from turning it into a track meet, they stood a chance. lo and behold, they did it.
Nows the time to get down to business. Play our game Crusaders! Make us proud.!!
What a ridiculous tournament! I hope it ends on Tuesday with a Valpo blowout win :)
Todd confirms Adam Amin will be in the house Tuesday, with Brandon McPherson for some sort of three-man booth (how's that going to work? they've proven with Luke that they don't have an extra headset).
Todd also predicts that both buzzer beaters will be in the ESPN top ten, and predicts Rowdy will have the play of the day.
Ooh... but Alabama had a _half court_ buzzer beater. That might be hard to beat. Still, not a tournament... we'll see.
What if they double up the #1 spot with WSU/VU? Two crazy buzzer beaters in the same tournament round on the same night in the same arena only a couple hours apart is hard to overlook.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 09, 2013, 07:03:20 PM
the newly crowned "player of the year" finished the game 1-7 from the field, and a whopping 5 points. 4 turnovers to 0 assists. how's that 'unselfish' thing workin out?
Did anyone see Miles Dixon from WSU block Ray Jr. in the first half?
This is a hilarious read as well:
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130309/SPORTS0203/303090334/1019/sports0203/Horizon-League-tournament-spotlights-Detroit-Mercy-s-talent (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130309/SPORTS0203/303090334/1019/sports0203/Horizon-League-tournament-spotlights-Detroit-Mercy-s-talent)
Just amazing. Team of destiny? Get 'er done.
Quote
This is a hilarious read as well:
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130309/SPORTS0203/303090334/1019/sports0203/Horizon-League-tournament-spotlights-Detroit-Mercy-s-talent (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130309/SPORTS0203/303090334/1019/sports0203/Horizon-League-tournament-spotlights-Detroit-Mercy-s-talent)
Nice!
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Minnerath ...
"We're excited," he said. "It doesn't matter who we play (today). This week is all about us."
The goal for Detroit, however, is simple: Match what Butler did two years ago — repeat as league champion. "We want to win back-to-back titles," McCallum Sr. said. "That's what traditionally strong teams do. Butler did it."
Quote from: valpotx on March 09, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
This is a hilarious read as well:
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130309/SPORTS0203/303090334/1019/sports0203/Horizon-League-tournament-spotlights-Detroit-Mercy-s-talent (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130309/SPORTS0203/303090334/1019/sports0203/Horizon-League-tournament-spotlights-Detroit-Mercy-s-talent)
"Detroit has become the darling of the Horizon League.
The Titans are a fan favorite and the league's most entertaining team."
ARE THEY SERIOUS?
The comment section's good too,
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Tim Farrell · Carroll High School
How'd all that "talent" work for you tonite?
Quote from: okinawatyphoon on March 09, 2013, 10:50:13 PM"Detroit has become the darling of the Horizon League.The Titans are a fan favorite and the league's most entertaining team."
I thought everyone in the HL hated Detroit.
#2 on SC Top 10 behind Bama
Quote from: okinawatyphoon on March 09, 2013, 10:50:13 PMThe Titans are a fan favorite and the league's most entertaining team."
ARE THEY SERIOUS?
I did enjoy watching Doug Anderson play.
Did you catch his reverse alley-oop dunk tonight, in the first half? Really something.
Quote from: govalpogo on March 09, 2013, 10:55:11 PM
#2 on SC Top 10 behind Bama
Wright State #3. I suppose they had to put them together.. and couldn't move WSU ahead of Alabama? That was a _heck_ of a long shot... well beyond half court. But only a conference game.
I still haven't gotten a look at GB's faces, etc.
But, I did get to see what Luke Gore referred to in the post game. After Ryan hit the shot, Bryce fell over backwards, was laying on his back on the court.
Rather win than look good losing...
Quote from: agibson on March 09, 2013, 10:51:08 PM
The comment section's good too,
Quote
Tim Farrell · Carroll High School
How'd all that "talent" work for you tonite?
Ooh, it gets better
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Ronelle Specht Widenhofer
Your player of the year? not only lost the semi final game but he had 5 pts/1 for 7 from the field 4 or 5 turnovers and no assists! Better than the Valpo kid, Broekoff? Get real! The Valpo guy gets 25 along with the winning 3 pointer at the buzzer.
A few fans on the GB board are ticked at Bryce falling down, KVW apparently talking trash at some point to Brown before the buzzer, and Rowdy's 3-pt signal he does. I don't see anything wrong with Rowdy's celebration for a 3, and didn't see KVW talking trash, but can't explain Bryce as much lol. It looks like he just fell down and died. You can see a few of the GB players react in the shot, though Cougill takes it like a man and just keeps on walking. There is absolutely nothing else he could have done on that shot and he seemed to know it:
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/78792/video-valparaisos-buzzer-beater (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/78792/video-valparaisos-buzzer-beater)
1. Met some great Wright State fans tonight (including Steve, a 36 year WSU fan). Sitting behind their fans there is no "darling" feelings for Detroit and Jr or SR in that group.
2. We're still trying to recover from that one. What a night of hoops!!
3. Green Bay's players gave it their all. Cougill got my respect cause he just kind of smiled, thanked the GB fans and then after hand shakes, left with his head held high. Congrats to GB on two terrific games in Valpo. Sykes was unconscious tonight.
4. Sure there's plenty under game thread but to Ryan and Kevin and the seniors thanks for 4 seasons. Tuesday should be for fun!
Quote from: agibson on March 09, 2013, 10:51:08 PM
The comment section's good too,
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Tim Farrell · Carroll High School
How'd all that "talent" work for you tonite?
Give that man a Hall of Fame vote!
Quote from: agibson on March 09, 2013, 10:59:32 PMQuote (selected)
Ronelle Specht Widenhofer
Your player of the year? not only lost the semi final game but he had 5 pts/1 for 7 from the field 4 or 5 turnovers and no assists! Better than the Valpo kid, Broekoff? Get real! The Valpo guy gets 25 along with the winning 3 pointer at the buzzer.
Another amazing Hall of Fame post!
Quote from: valpotx on March 09, 2013, 11:13:06 PMI don't see anything wrong with Rowdy's celebration for a 3,
Sykes was doing the very same kind of signal almost every time he hit a three.
Quote from: historyman on March 10, 2013, 07:40:07 AMSykes was doing the very same kind of signal almost every time he hit a three.
they might not have noticed it because he didn't make as many as rowdy.
Sykes Ray McCallum'ed (pounded his chest) after an and-1... Bryce reverse Bryce-drewing? Haters gunna hate
Quote from: a3uge on March 10, 2013, 10:39:16 AM
Sykes Ray McCallum'ed (pounded his chest) after an and-1... Bryce reverse Bryce-drewing? Haters gunna hate
that's only modified mccallum-ing. jr pounds the floor.
As a Wright State fan that was a roller coaster of a night. Elated we won our game, then you guys gave us a dagger. I was already making plans for Tuesday. Anyway this has been a great tourney, and it looked good on TV. A little surprised your attendence was not better, but it sounded loud. I think the final game will be ad close as the semi final games were. Good luck to all involved, but a little more for WSU
The attendance was much higher than the 3285 or whatever it said. More than that were there midway through the Wright State game as Valpo and a few Green Bay fans arrived.
The attendance figure is completely wrong. I'm sure someone will be issuing a correction. I'm also assuming it is some sort of elementary school error, like they overlooked an entire group of opposing team fans or something similarly silly. Will the embarrassing actions tied to ARC event management ever end?
Quote from: valpotx on March 09, 2013, 06:03:47 PM
Is StlVUFan sitting behind the announcers? I think that is him
Yes, that was me.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 09, 2013, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 09, 2013, 07:03:20 PM
the newly crowned "player of the year" finished the game 1-7 from the field, and a whopping 5 points. 4 turnovers to 0 assists. how's that 'unselfish' thing workin out?
Did anyone see Miles Dixon from WSU block Ray Jr. in the first half?
Remember it vividly.
Quote from: wh on March 10, 2013, 01:48:32 PM
The attendance figure is completely wrong. I'm sure someone will be issuing a correction. I'm also assuming it is some sort of elementary school error, like they overlooked an entire group of opposing team fans or something similarly silly. Will the embarrassing actions tied to ARC event management ever end?
Won't dispute the criticism of the reported attendance since I didn't see the figure myself, but I will say that I was very disappointed in Sections AA and EE which were mostly empty.
What I do know is that this year's 2nd round -- which was tons more exciting than last year's -- had half the attendance of last year.
Butler factor
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 10, 2013, 05:04:53 PMWon't dispute the criticism of the reported attendance since I didn't see the figure myself, but I will say that I was very disappointed in Sections AA and EE which were mostly empty.
I'm thinking the messed up numbers might have something to do with the tickets being good for both games. When we arrived during half time of the Detroit game, the lower bleachers were pretty filled with fans from that game and at least the Detroit fans that were near us left as soon as their game ended. I was thinking we'd have a lot of space around us for the second game but it was totally full...
Seems like some of these folks from one game or the other moved down from the upper bleachers which might explain why some upper sections were empty.
Remember also that each school was allotted 200 student tickets - how many students (not counting bands and cheer) did GB, WSU and Detroit bring? Maybe 100 total, max? There's 500 right off the top.
Math time!!
ARC Total | | 5000 |
AA/EE were down 300+ each | | -600 |
BB/DD were down 150+each | | -300 |
Student Sec. was down 300+ | | -300 |
F/J down 50+ each | | -100 |
A/E down 50+ each | | -100 |
H was down 100 for media | | -100 |
That brings us down to 3500 right there, and these are conservative numbers. Tickets for AA/EE weren't for sale, so some folks moved to there from way up in the other sections.
Personally, I don't care if there were 500 or 5000, the crowd got into the game when they needed and the atmosphere was great from courtside.
I believe the reason AA and EE were fairly empty was because it was seating given to other schools like stated above. When you went online to purchase tickets it had these sections as "unavailable"
The temporary bleachers on the side opposite of the student section would add to the total since it's not already included in the total capacity of the ARC (as far as I know). So maybe 100-200 there?
Quote from: okinawatyphoon on March 10, 2013, 08:03:04 PM
The temporary bleachers on the side opposite of the student section would add to the total since it's not already included in the total capacity of the ARC (as far as I know). So maybe 100-200 there?
There actualy aren't quite 5000 "seats" in the arena. We counted a number of years ago (before the easy way with the online/electronic ticketing and such) and it was in the 4850 range. 5000 is just an easier number....and with using that, it's probably about even.
I have a little bone to pick with the league or whomever is responsible. Why is it the we sometimes get access to postgame news conferences and other time we don't.(most often it falls into the "don't" category) I am sure that all of them are recorded so why not give us access? I really enjoy hearing the coaches' and player's responses to the media questions. In my opinion this would really round out the fan's media experience and allow them to "bond" more closely to each team's players and maybe even the coaching staff. Would have loved to see the press conferences after both the WSU UDM and the UWGB VU games.
Quote from: FWalum on March 10, 2013, 08:58:23 PM
I have a little bone to pick with the league or whomever is responsible. Why is it the we sometimes get access to postgame news conferences and other time we don't.(most often it falls into the "don't" category) I am sure that all of them are recorded so why not give us access? I really enjoy hearing the coaches' and player's responses to the media questions. In my opinion this would really round out the fan's media experience and allow them to "bond" more closely to each team's players and maybe even the coaching staff. Would have loved to see the press conferences after both the WSU UDM and the UWGB VU games.
Totally agree!!! I look after every game. This game would be great to see the post game....
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 10, 2013, 07:04:32 PM
Math time!!
ARC Total | | 5000 |
AA/EE were down 300+ each | | -600 |
BB/DD were down 150+each | | -300 |
Student Sec. was down 300+ | | -300 |
F/J down 50+ each | | -100 |
A/E down 50+ each | | -100 |
H was down 100 for media | | -100 |
That brings us down to 3500 right there, and these are conservative numbers. Tickets for AA/EE weren't for sale, so some folks moved to there from way up in the other sections.
Personally, I don't care if there were 500 or 5000, the crowd got into the game when they needed and the atmosphere was great from courtside.
The announced attendance of the YSU (senior night) game was 3410. Now look at the pictures of the crowd (or lack of) in the upper deck in valpopal's pictures from that game.
http://photography226.wordpress.com (http://photography226.wordpress.com)
That's what a crowd 2000 short of capacity looks like.
As to last night, I don't know where you got your numbers for the lower deck, but it was completely sold out (less about 6 tickets) according to Ticket Central. It also looked sold out. As someone else pointed out, the additional student bleachers on the east end would more than make up for the seats lost for the media. As of yesterday morning there were 520 unsold seats in BB, CC and DD. Game time sales would have lowered that number, and by looking at the crowd in those sections it did. As to AA and EE, they were not empty - they were about a fourth to a third full. And - as someone also accurately pointed out, you could barely find anyone in a red shirt after Detroit lost, which had they stayed would have added to a fuller look.
Unlike the regular season, getting an accurate count does have significance when it pertains to the highest profile annual event the Horizon League holds.
I believe the number from the box score
I was at the YSU game too. I think 3400 for that game was a joke. If it was 2400 we were lucky. Looking through those pictures, there would have to be 1200 people in the mezz for 3400 to be real, and that's only if every single seat in the lower bowl was full, and they aren't...That's not 1200 up there if they'd all brought a friend.
The upper level seats almost 3000 people. My estimate for Saturday is that it was 2/3 full...I don't think that's at all off the mark. (I'm not talking tickets, I'm talking butts in seats). Sure, we might have had more tickets sold, but Detroit fans (and maybe some WSU, too) left...maybe thats 500 tickets that weren't in the arena. That would have made a HUGE difference in what the upper levels looked like.
Since you said its more important to get the HL games right...somehow, I think the HL and Valpo know that too...and they probably had it pretty close...you know, this is something they do for a living.
And, honestly (not directed at you, wh), this game is done. The crowd was good, into the game, etc. Lets make sure there's no discussion about it Tuesday.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 10, 2013, 10:12:51 PM
I was at the YSU game too. I think 3400 for that game was a joke. If it was 2400 we were lucky. Looking through those pictures, there would have to be 1200 people in the mezz for 3400 to be real, and that's only if every single seat in the lower bowl was full, and they aren't...That's not 1200 up there if they'd all brought a friend.
The upper level seats almost 3000 people. My estimate for Saturday is that it was 2/3 full...I don't think that's at all off the mark. (I'm not talking tickets, I'm talking butts in seats). Sure, we might have had more tickets sold, but Detroit fans (and maybe some WSU, too) left...maybe thats 500 tickets that weren't in the arena. That would have made a HUGE difference in what the upper levels looked like.
Since you said its more important to get the HL games right...somehow, I think the HL and Valpo know that too...and they probably had it pretty close...you know, this is something they do for a living.
And, honestly (not directed at you, wh), this game is done. The crowd was good, into the game, etc. Lets make sure there's no discussion about it Tuesday.
So we should trust the same VU athletic dept. employees that reported an attendance figure for the YSU game that you just called a "joke." The same people that we all know haven't been able to accurately count a game crowd since the ARC opened. I know it's probably trivial, but I've always had a hard time lowering my expectations enough to accept that a group of people that as you say "do this for a living" can't get the simplest of tasks right.
The fact that Tuesday's game is nowhere close to being a sellout is an indictment of both the Valparaiso community and Valparaiso University marketing.
Quote from: wh on March 10, 2013, 10:31:16 PM
The fact that Tuesday's game is nowhere close to being a sellout is an indictment of both the Valparaiso community and Valparaiso University marketing.
We agree here...once we lost to Detroit there are many in te community that get "offended" that we should lose and waste their time.
I think, honestly, there were probably about 3700-4000 tickets sold for Saturday (not counting anything maybe on AA or EE). So when you looked at tickets, it looks pretty full. Once people either left, don't show or spread into AA and EE it definitely thinned out. By the time our game got going I think 3200 was probably pretty close to how many people were actually in the arena. (Which, btw I agree is pitiful)
Quote from: wh on March 10, 2013, 10:31:16 PMThe fact that Tuesday's game is nowhere close to being a sellout is an indictment of both the Valparaiso community and Valparaiso University marketing.
Yeah, I mean tickets have been on sale for almost 24 hours now (or probably at least 12? 16?) and they've only sold 75% of them. They should all be fired.
Quote from: wh on March 10, 2013, 10:31:16 PM
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 10, 2013, 10:12:51 PM
I was at the YSU game too. I think 3400 for that game was a joke. If it was 2400 we were lucky. Looking through those pictures, there would have to be 1200 people in the mezz for 3400 to be real, and that's only if every single seat in the lower bowl was full, and they aren't...That's not 1200 up there if they'd all brought a friend.
The upper level seats almost 3000 people. My estimate for Saturday is that it was 2/3 full...I don't think that's at all off the mark. (I'm not talking tickets, I'm talking butts in seats). Sure, we might have had more tickets sold, but Detroit fans (and maybe some WSU, too) left...maybe thats 500 tickets that weren't in the arena. That would have made a HUGE difference in what the upper levels looked like.
Since you said its more important to get the HL games right...somehow, I think the HL and Valpo know that too...and they probably had it pretty close...you know, this is something they do for a living.
And, honestly (not directed at you, wh), this game is done. The crowd was good, into the game, etc. Lets make sure there's no discussion about it Tuesday.
So we should trust the same VU athletic dept. employees that reported an attendance figure for the YSU game that you just called a "joke." The same people that we all know haven't been able to accurately count a game crowd since the ARC opened. I know it's probably trivial, but I've always had a hard time lowering my expectations enough to accept that a group of people that as you say "do this for a living" can't get the simplest of tasks right.
The fact that Tuesday's game is nowhere close to being a sellout is an indictment of both the Valparaiso community and Valparaiso University marketing.
You're about one post away from the woodshed. You don't argue with a mod.
I think the lesson here is to never trust the attendance figure in a box score unless you can either count them yourself or its a total sellout.
Valpo doesn't market their team for sh*t. They do however market the milk deal at family express gas stations great. You would think every family express in the region would have valpo posters up
Quote from: truth219 on March 10, 2013, 10:52:00 PM
Valpo doesn't market their team for sh*t. They do however market the milk deal at family express gas stations great. You would think every family express in the region would have valpo posters up
Classy post.
Sorry for partyin
Quote from: wh on March 10, 2013, 10:31:16 PMThe fact that Tuesday's game is nowhere close to being a sellout is an indictment of both the Valparaiso community and Valparaiso University marketing.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 10, 2013, 10:44:06 PMValpo doesn't market their team for sh*t.
The first step in turning people into new fans is to get them into the ARC to witness a great team. This past year we knew we would have one of our best teams ever but what did we do to try to capitalize on that success? All I've seen is a wasted opportunity to expand the northwest Indiana fan base.
As for wh indicting "Valpo University Marketing" is there somebody that actually handles those responsibilities? I am pretty sure that Cindy is not paid to come up with new ARC filling concepts and promotions. If no such individual exists is there someone who might listen to a board thinktank of ideas and suggestions? Other than a solid tournament run (which you can never count on) how do you stop and reverse the ongoing decline in attendance?
On the subject of attendance and crowd enthusiasm, although the place wasn't completely full (partly because hardly any Detroit fans stayed for game two), the noise level and energy were extremely high. I will be surprised if the crowd is any larger, if as large, for the championship game since it is midweek. But I hope the energy level is as high. Here are some of my photos that also give a bit of an indication to the size or enthusiasm of the crowd.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/x7y4o.jpg)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/knv2q.jpg)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2yxgeuc.jpg)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/ou5u6w.jpg)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/14azfk0.jpg)
I'd be glad to be a part of that committee.
Quote from: SadersofthelostArc on March 11, 2013, 08:54:37 AM
I'd be glad to be a part of that committee.
The itty bitty attendance committee?
Quote from: bbtds on March 11, 2013, 09:25:03 AMThe itty bitty attendance committee?
*dying laughing
Greeting from Detroit, the team you love to hate. Congrats on winning, The aussie is a hell of a player. I think everyone really wanted to see the rematch... you guys and us. Wright State is a butt ugly team to watch or play against. Hard to believe the beat us, so watch out they are seemingly experts on slowing the game to a torturous level of play and are well coached, as you guys are. If Detroit was playing you would have a sold out crowd watching MacCallum, Minnerath et al take you apart and send you back to the NIT. However, that unfortunately did not happen :'( and I wish you the best in defeating Wright State so we have at least a chance at taking your given spot in the NIT.
If everyone wanted to see a rematch, why was everyone cheering for WSU? Seemed kind of like a home game for the Raiders, especially at the end. And, of course as a Raider fan I'm biased, but I've come to like their style of play. Yes, it's a limited-possessions kind of offense, but there's plenty of movement with and away from the ball. I was watching a game yesterday where the players were pretty much standing around until the ball came to them, then it was a one-on-one drill --bored me silly.
Kind of funny....we have a Raider fan defending to a Detroit fan on a Valpo fan board why they should like the Raiders. Hey I am not being a smart ass, I am just saying Detroit is a fun team to watch play with their athletic players from top to bottom. Valpo is a skilled and smart team, Detroit and Valpo are just really fun to watch for basketball fans. End of Story, Valpo takes is 74-61 according to me :). But good luck Raider fan.
Just chiming in now and then since there's not much activity on RaiderRoundball -- I also appreciate the fact that there's not much smack talk over here! Seriously -- looking forward to a good game tomorrow, and there's (obviously) no doubt I'll be rooting for an underdog...again.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 10, 2013, 10:44:06 PM
I think the lesson here is to never trust the attendance figure in a box score unless you can either count them yourself or its a total sellout.
Actually I think the lesson here is that we need a new arena--one that provides a decent seating configuration for ticket purchases so that fans can become enticed to view games instead of tap-dancing around a facility that is limiting purchases to seating areas that are largely rectangular in nature. Some people don't want to pay 15.00 to watch a game in a box, even when the local team is in the HL tournament.
It is interesting to note that someone posted a video of Ryan's shot from behind the basket in another thread. What an amazing viewpoint. What a great incidental and word of mouth sports marketing item. Of course,
a prospective fan can't actually purchase seats in those areas for most games. Think about that for a moment.
I'll stay out of the WSU/Det game debate. I will say that high quality competition was on proud display at the ARC on Sat. So much talent, excellent coaching, forcing tempo, GB's size, buzzer-beating shots, possible future NBA players - those games had it all. HL basketball is great and I hope we can keep it together for years to come!
Quote from: ncatprof on March 11, 2013, 12:41:04 PM
Just chiming in now and then since there's not much activity on RaiderRoundball -- I also appreciate the fact that there's not much smack talk over here! Seriously -- looking forward to a good game tomorrow, and there's (obviously) no doubt I'll be rooting for an underdog...again.
In order to get Raider fans up here by the busload so that the ARC will be filled to capacity I think somebody from here needs to log in at RaiderRoundBall and say something that is deliberately stupid, inflammatory, and insulting. Where did SadersofthelostARC go? I think we have a job for him. ;)
Quote from: justducky on March 11, 2013, 01:00:53 AM
Quote from: wh on March 10, 2013, 10:31:16 PMThe fact that Tuesday's game is nowhere close to being a sellout is an indictment of both the Valparaiso community and Valparaiso University marketing.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 10, 2013, 10:44:06 PMValpo doesn't market their team for sh*t.
The first step in turning people into new fans is to get them into the ARC to witness a great team. This past year we knew we would have one of our best teams ever but what did we do to try to capitalize on that success? All I've seen is a wasted opportunity to expand the northwest Indiana fan base.
As for wh indicting "Valpo University Marketing" is there somebody that actually handles those responsibilities? I am pretty sure that Cindy is not paid to come up with new ARC filling concepts and promotions. If no such individual exists is there someone who might listen to a board thinktank of ideas and suggestions? Other than a solid tournament run (which you can never count on) how do you stop and reverse the ongoing decline in attendance?
Anne Van Keppel
Associate Director of Athletics
Marketing and Constituent Support
219-464-6130
Anne.VanKeppel@valpo.edu
Fred Villarruel
Director of Marketing for Athletics
219-464-6757
Fred.Villarruel@valpo.edu
Renee Turpa
Group Sales Coordinator
219-464-6931
Renee.Turpa@valpo.edu
Just checked tickets and by way of a quick estimate I'd say about 1200 seats available. CC is almost filled with the top 5 rows left with about the same available in BB and DD.
However, AA and EE have lots of room.
Quote from: Smj on March 10, 2013, 09:10:33 PM
Quote from: FWalum on March 10, 2013, 08:58:23 PM
I have a little bone to pick with the league or whomever is responsible. Why is it the we sometimes get access to postgame news conferences and other time we don't.(most often it falls into the "don't" category) I am sure that all of them are recorded so why not give us access? I really enjoy hearing the coaches' and player's responses to the media questions. In my opinion this would really round out the fan's media experience and allow them to "bond" more closely to each team's players and maybe even the coaching staff. Would have loved to see the press conferences after both the WSU UDM and the UWGB VU games.
Totally agree!!! I look after every game. This game would be great to see the post game....
The NWI Times has them up for Friday's quarter-finals
http://www.nwitimes.com/digital/video/ (http://www.nwitimes.com/digital/video/)
But I haven't seen anything anywhere for the semi-finals.
Quote from: detroit on March 11, 2013, 12:28:52 PMwe have a Raider fan defending to a Detroit fan on a Valpo fan board why they should like the Raiders.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/78541_cFLnZd2LP76xg18.jpg)
I wish the Horizon League would find someway to have the championship game on Saturday or Sunday. If the tourney was Thurs thru Sun I would have been there for the whole thing, and I am sure most people can't go out of town on Tues at the last minute. It would be a great weekend get away no matter where the tourney was held. And by the way Wright State Proboards is a much more active board
Our team is more active in the win column. Who really cares who Detroit fans cheer for...I like that they won't be at our game at all.
Quote from: WSU85 on March 11, 2013, 05:30:36 PM
I wish the Horizon League would find someway to have the championship game on Saturday or Sunday. If the tourney was Thurs thru Sun I would have been there for the whole thing, and I am sure most people can't go out of town on Tues at the last minute. It would be a great weekend get away no matter where the tourney was held. And by the way Wright State Proboards is a much more active board
Since Valpo is always on a 2-week spring break during the tourney, it would be better for Valpo if they hosted it on a weekend instead of a weekday. Then at least you could maybe catch a tail end or beginning of the spring break.
On break or not the same amount of students would be there, considering their reagular season turn out
Quote from: truth219 on March 11, 2013, 06:20:18 PM
On break or not the same amount of students would be there, considering their reagular season turn out
Really?
How many times on this board has the poor student turn out been talked about....
Quote from: truth219 on March 11, 2013, 06:36:17 PM
How many times on this board has the poor student turn out been talked about....
On big weekend games, name one time there has EVER been a problem with student section turnout.
Bracketbuster
Quote from: justducky on March 11, 2013, 01:07:01 PM
Quote from: ncatprof on March 11, 2013, 12:41:04 PM
Just chiming in now and then since there's not much activity on RaiderRoundball -- I also appreciate the fact that there's not much smack talk over here! Seriously -- looking forward to a good game tomorrow, and there's (obviously) no doubt I'll be rooting for an underdog...again.
In order to get Raider fans up here by the busload so that the ARC will be filled to capacity I think somebody from here needs to log in at RaiderRoundBall and say something that is deliberately stupid, inflammatory, and insulting. Where did SadersofthelostARC go? I think we have a job for him. ;)
He could talk about Donlon's awful fashion sense. :o :-*
Quote from: truth219 on March 11, 2013, 06:41:03 PM
Bracketbuster
Well clearly you can't tell the difference between a big game and a meaningless bracketbuster vs Eastern Freakin Kentucky. Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed by low student section turnout in these games too, but if you actually don't think the student section would be full for the Horizon League Championship, then your brain has been completely taken over by your extreme cynicism. You probably have some weird lame excuse as to why the Detroit game this year brought a bunch of students and will never be replicated again. Heck, the Wright Sate game the first time around was packed, but a championship game with the students actually on campus would mean somehow a lower turnout equal to a weekday conference game vs Cleveland State.
You probably have some lame excuse why the students didn't turn out for senior night
Quote from: truth219 on March 11, 2013, 07:21:11 PM
You probably have some lame excuse why the students didn't turn out for senior night
you mean besides the fact that it was the tuesday night right before spring break - the most notorious week of papers/exams/midterms of the entire year?
Quote from: truth219 on March 11, 2013, 07:21:11 PM
You probably have some lame excuse why the students didn't turn out for senior night
...
Quote from: a3uge
Since Valpo is always on a 2-week spring break during the tourney, it would be better for Valpo if they hosted it on a weekend instead of a weekday. Then at least you could maybe catch a tail end or beginning of the spring break.
Quote from: truth219
On break or not the same amount of students would be there, considering their reagular season turn out
You literally said the same amount of students would come to a weekend Horizon League Championship game if Valpo had a break or not. Instead of addressing your asinine comment, you bring up a conference game last month. I'm not talking about a conference game in February. I'm talking about a potential weekend Horizon League Championship game with students on the beginning/tail end of a spring break. That was my post agreeing with the CSU fan for moving the tourney to a weekend format. This is what we were discussing. Not the student section turnout for a Tuesday conference game. I hope that is spelled out enough for you. If it isn't, I'm not going to explain any further because your depressing cynicism will end up rubbing off on me and cause me to throw myself into a deep rocky chasm.
I think if students didn't care to come out on senior night/clinching the conferance...they wouldn't come out tomorrow
Quote from: truth219 on March 11, 2013, 07:44:04 PM
I think if students didn't care to come out on senior night/clinching the conferance...they wouldn't come out tomorrow
Lol
Quote from: truth219 on March 11, 2013, 07:44:04 PM
I think if students didn't care to come out on senior night/clinching the conferance...they wouldn't come out tomorrow
You have to admit you were wrong. They will fill the allotted Valpo student section.
Be a mensch!
At the Monday night Valparaiso City Council Meeting, Mayor Costas declared Tuesday March 12th Valparaiso University Crusaders Day and urged all citizens to come out and support the team as they go for the NCAA tournament.
Now there's some help in the "marketing area", that didn't cost much. Maybe an easy phone call, from someones office to the Mayor's office? :thumbsup:
As we used to say in VU philosophy logic class, "TRUTH is stranger than fiction....." Amen. 8)
Nope... I asked him... the Mayor, a season ticket holder, was at the game Saturday night is a true VU basketball fan (he is a VU Law Alum).
Well done!
Quote from: truth219 on March 11, 2013, 07:44:04 PM
I think if students didn't care to come out on senior night/clinching the conferance...they wouldn't come out tomorrow
Haha wow you literally have no clue...But on the brighter side of things, just checked out the ticket situation and the middle upper sections are very close to sold out. Despite you blasting attendance at games, this one will be a packed house. GuaranSHEED.
Quote from: vu72 on March 11, 2013, 01:44:47 PM
Just checked tickets and by way of a quick estimate I'd say about 1200 seats available. CC is almost filled with the top 5 rows left with about the same available in BB and DD.
However, AA and EE have lots of room.
640 seats now available. Some strong a.m. sales and a decent walk-up and we're at capacity.
Being a frequent blaster of poor student turnout...I was very excited to see the large group that attended the other night and have no doubt it's going to happen again tonight. I think the attitude about attending games is changing, and it is thanks to those students who keep coming (oh and the team's continued success) that is helping.
Can't wait for tonight!
Quote from: WSU85 on March 11, 2013, 05:30:36 PMI wish the Horizon League would find someway to have the championship game on Saturday or Sunday. If the tourney was Thurs thru Sun I would have been there for the whole thing, and I am sure most people can't go out of town on Tues at the last minute. It would be a great weekend get away no matter where the tourney was held. And by the way Wright State Proboards is a much more active board
It's about time slots and TV ratings. The HL being the 12th ranked conference must give leeway to the higher ranked conferences and their tournaments on TV. Saturday probably gets the most ratings so those games on Saturday go to the higher ranked conferences. And you thought it was all about the fans at the game.
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Quote from: vu72 on March 11, 2013, 01:44:47 PM
Just checked tickets and by way of a quick estimate I'd say about 1200 seats available. CC is almost filled with the top 5 rows left with about the same available in BB and DD.
However, AA and EE have lots of room.
640 seats now available. Some strong a.m. sales and a decent walk-up and we're at capacity.
Seats still available in all upper deck sections. I know the facility has some major limitations but this game should be a sellout by now considering all of the pub VU received with the shot,
part deux. Maybe 20.00 is too much to sit tucked away in a corner that offers a bad angle. I hope the administration is learning from this.
I was watching an IU game a few weeks back. It was a home game mind you, and they were interviewing a fan in the upper deck. The fan said he paid some where in the range of 200 bucks for the ticket. I know the horizon league isn't the big ten, but 20 bucks for a conference championship doesn't seem that bad. My dad went to a notre dame game a few weeks back and said a soda was 4 dollars and so was pop corn. The prices in the arc are very reasonable, esspecially considering we live in a prosperous community. I wouldn't mind seeing the upper deck go down to 5 dollars for the regular season though
Quote from: truth219 on March 12, 2013, 11:28:06 AM
I was watching an IU game a few weeks back. It was a home game mind you, and they were interviewing a fan in the upper deck. The fan said he paid some where in the range of 200 bucks for the ticket. I know the horizon league isn't the big ten, but 20 bucks for a conference championship doesn't seem that bad. My dad went to a notre dame game a few weeks back and said a soda was 4 dollars and so was pop corn. The prices in the arc are very reasonable, esspecially considering we live in a prosperous community. I wouldn't mind seeing the upper deck go down to 5 dollars for the regular season though
It's not the price of the ticket I'm driving at. It's the seating angle, view and sight-line that comes from the ticket. I do agree with you though--ARC/HL tournament prices are pretty reasonable generally.
I agree the seating in the arc is garbage. If your in the front row of the upper deck you might as well put a bag over your head. You can't see anything there, with the bars that are behind the lower section and people walking back and forth. There are so many good angles in the arc that just don't have seats. One of my favorite places to watch part of a game is standing next to the culvers stand. You can see the whole court without moving your head.
I can see how there might be more _good_ places you could put seats. And I agree that the first couple of rows aren't so good (probably that's true in the lower bleachers also).
And, if you're too far up in the mezzanine some of the stuff hanging from the roof starts blocking the main scoreboard (and, perhaps, really messing up the audio).
But, are there actually many bad seats? I've not sat all the way at the top, but I suspect you're still not all that far from the court. Particularly compared to bigger stadiums.
The USAToday paper copy had a front page (Sports) box that showed the Horizon League's all-time most wins in the HL Tourney. Of course Valpo wasn't in it, but Detroit had 33, Butler 31.
Thought this was good exposure for the HL.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 12, 2013, 09:05:33 PMThe USAToday paper copy had a front page (Sports) box that showed the Horizon League's all-time most wins in the HL Tourney. Of course Valpo wasn't in it, but Detroit had 33, Butler 31.
A little esoteric, but Valpo does now lead current league members in tournament winning _percentage_ at 62.5%. Xavier had 70.6%, and NIU of all people had 71.4% (5-2).
Section AA was full and Section EE was about 3/4ths full.
Well done, Valparaiso!