Quote from: VULB#62 on March 01, 2013, 06:36:29 PM
Junior is only a junior. He'll be, hands down, the face of the HL next year as much as I hate to say it. That will be big for HL exposure. And they lose "only" Minerath and Anderson with 6th man Bruinsma moving into a starting role. They need to find that 5th starter. Any word on the recruiting class?
Various reports today state that Ray Jr. has decided to enter the NBA draft. Of course, he has plenty of time to change his mind. Also, in addition to losing Minerath and Anderson, word is that at least two other Detroit players, including Jason Calliste, may be leaving.
Quote from: valpopal on April 27, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Various reports today state that Ray Jr. has decided to enter the NBA draft. Of course, he has plenty of time to change his mind.
Plenty of time? The deadline is tomorrow, April 28th.
I hope he declares for the draft... I would hate to have him as the face of the HL next season... I honestly don't think he's that great, he as able to beat up on poor teams but a good defender was able to shut him down on many occasions. I think Minnerath will be in the nba and make a name for himself, he has the size and can shoot. Junior is just an above average player and IMO he hasn't lived up to the hype as the godsend to UDM he was supposed to be. If UDM didn't have Minnerath they would have been around the same level as GB or YSU.
Like I said, I hope he goes. I hated watching him play and I think Kendrick Perry will be the best player in the HL by far next season, even if Junior is back. He showed up to play every game unlike Junior and nobody could really slow him down.
I think Junior is a classless player, on a classless team, and with a classless coach. I would HATE if he was the face of the HL next year.
The website www.nbadraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net) is reporting that McCallum is entering the draft. Think he is projected as mid to late 2nd round pick. He has til sometime in June to withdraw from the draft.
Detroit Free Press newspaper also reporting same news. http://www.freep.com/article/20130427/SPORTS/304270092 (http://www.freep.com/article/20130427/SPORTS/304270092)
Gotta wonder if this foreshadows the departure of McCallum Sr.
Quote from: vufan75 on April 27, 2013, 06:52:35 PM
He has til sometime in June to withdraw from the draft.
The deadline for withdrawing and returning to the NCAA was April 16th. If he puts his name in, he's gone.
Awesome, no more Ray Jr POS! There have been so many talented people declaring for the draft, that I don't see him getting drafted...
There is no more "testing the waters" of the NBA draft.
http://www.amateursports365.com/NCAA/NCAA-NBA-DraftDeclarationDeadline.html (http://www.amateursports365.com/NCAA/NCAA-NBA-DraftDeclarationDeadline.html)
Last year, the NCAA membership made a decision to gut what remained of the rule allowing basketball underclassmen the opportunity to "test the NBA waters."
In short, the NCAA's board of directors voted to affirm the rule which will require underclassmen who wish to return to school to pull their name out of the NBA draft by April 10, which is conveniently right before the spring signing date.
If Ray McCallum Jr. declared for the NBA draft then he is done playing college basketball for the University of Detroit-Mercy men's basketball team.
He's gone.
http://www.detroittitans.com/news/2013/4/27/MBB_0427135500.aspx (http://www.detroittitans.com/news/2013/4/27/MBB_0427135500.aspx)
See ya, wouldn't want to be ya!
Obviously if tomorrow's the deadline, then he is indeed gone.
I can't say I'm pleased, actually. I want the competition to be at their best. I want as strong a conference as possible. If Detroit disintegrates, that just makes any future VU championships a little less impressive.
That said, if he's gone, he's gone. It doesn't change the objective.
Quote from: vufan75 on April 27, 2013, 06:52:35 PM
The website www.nbadraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net) is reporting that McCallum is entering the draft. Think he is projected as mid to late 2nd round pick. He has til sometime in June to withdraw from the draft.
Detroit Free Press newspaper also reporting same news. http://www.freep.com/article/20130427/SPORTS/304270092 (http://www.freep.com/article/20130427/SPORTS/304270092)
I was definitely wrong about a June early entry withdrawal date. Living in the past I guess. :-[
Found additional info on the subject, and apparently a key point is signing with an agent or not. A bit confusing if nothing else.
http://network.yardbarker.com/college_basketball/article_external/college_basketball_winners_and_losers_for_the_draft_early_entry_deadline/13419694 (http://network.yardbarker.com/college_basketball/article_external/college_basketball_winners_and_losers_for_the_draft_early_entry_deadline/13419694)
College Basketball Winners and Losers for the Draft Early Entry DeadlineThe NCAA's draft deadline has passed, but the NBA deadline still has teams in limbo
By: David Fox | 4/17/13, 8:00 AM EDT
The NCAA's draft deadline has passed, but the NBA deadline still has teams in limbo
The NCAA's early entry draft deadline, moved up to April 16, functioned more like a suggestion rather than any sort of rule this season.
A handful of underclassmen announced their intentions on the NBA Draft before
the NCAA's April 16 deadline, but the real point of no return for many is the NBA's deadline of April 28.
The NCAA mark says an underclassman who has not signed with an agent must remove his name from consideration before April 16 if they want to return to school.The April 28 date is established by the NBA, meaning an undecided underclassman in reality has an extra 12 days to make the call provided he doesn't sign with an agent.The rule was put into place to protect coaches who, in theory, wouldn't have to save a scholarship for several weeks while a star player mulled the NBA Draft.
In practice, many coaches are doing just that. Here's our look at the winners and losers for the NBA Draft deadline and everyone in between as the clock ticks down to April 28.
Quote from: vufan75 on April 28, 2013, 12:51:28 PMI was definitely wrong about a June early entry withdrawal date. Living in the past I guess. Found additional info on the subject, and apparently a key point is signing with an agent or not. A bit confusing if nothing else.
Definitely confusing, primarily because the NCAA and NBA each have their own deadlines. In general, here are the key points.
NCAA:
1. Once a player signs with an agent, they lose any remaining eligibility.
2. If a player has submitted their name for early entry into the NBA draft, they have until the day before the late signing period starts (April 16th this year) to remove their name and retain NCAA eligibility (assuming they haven't signed with any agent). So basically, guys like McCallum who are entering their name after April 16th have no chance to return.
NBA:
1. Deadline for early entrants to submit for the draft is April 28th.
2. The NBA also has a deadline in June for removing names, but this deadline is irrelevant to any player hoping to return to college. It could apply to European players who enter the draft, then decide in June to wait a year or two.
So as many people have pointed out, the "real deadline" for underclassmen to enter the draft is the NBA's April 28 deadline. That's why so many kids have made a decision in the last few days.
FWIW, I think Ray made a good decision to enter this year's draft. It is going to be much weaker than next year's ... especially because lots of good underclassmen decided to return. He is still a likely 2nd round pick, but I don't think another year with a weaker UDM team would have helped him improve his position. Just my :twocents: .
http://www.freep.com/article/20130427/SPORTS08/304270092/1051/sports03 (http://www.freep.com/article/20130427/SPORTS08/304270092/1051/sports03)
Wow. I'm certainly no NBA draft hound. But, I'd guess there's a fair shot he goes undrafted. He still loses his eligibility then, right? So, it'd be on to Europe etc.
Quote from: agibson on April 29, 2013, 02:38:38 PM
Wow. I'm certainly no NBA draft hound. But, I'd guess there's a fair shot he goes undrafted. He still loses his eligibility then, right? So, it'd be on to Europe etc.
Agreed. I think he's an idiot for going into the draft this year. When I saw him play nothing said to me that he was ready for the NBA. I don't believe he was the best player in the HL this year either. I think Minnerath has more of a shot to do something in the NBA. I think this might be the last we hear of McCallum.
He was a good player, but not THAT good.
You know you've struck a nerve with some folks when they go "on the attack" on a basketball message board. Ran across this when perusing Detroit's board and their fans reaction to "Ray's Decision". And the Commissioner said yesterday....
by Commissioner » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:00 pm
Meanwhile, over at Hillbilly forum (aka the Valpo Fan Zone) they've got several guys jabbering away with cheap personal shots at Ray. I found this the most interesting:
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I hope he goes. I hated watching him play and I think Kendrick Perry will be the best player in the HL by far next season, even if Junior is back. He showed up to play every game unlike Junior and nobody could really slow him down.
I think Junior is a classless player, on a classless team, and with a classless coach. I would HATE if he was the face of the HL next year.
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Yeah, who wants as the face of your league a kid who's an Honor Roll student, who doesn't have so much as a parking ticket marring his record, who chose your mid-major conference over offers in every BCS league, American born and raised, who never lips off in the press, and plays at an all-American level? You'd have to be an idiot to want that.
Oh, and Kendrick Perry? Love him. Great player. I agree he is the Horizon pre-season POY for 2013-14. Of course, there was that 9 point, 3 of 9 shooting, 4 turnover performance against Detroit this year - but he was still fast, I guess, so in that sense, no one really slowed him down.
What a bunch of pompous hayseeds (still love that description from fan at the YSU board) and graceless losers.
Maybe the commish ought to check out the game tape from the HL Finals held at Valpo in March 2012, to see what sort of sportsmanship that his guy exhibited. ::) Or maybe look at the stats of the Valpo-Detroit games this year. Not that overwhelming from how I see it. Too bad Detroit had to go and lose in the tournament semi's this past season. Darn the luck. And I'ze resent dem "hillbilly" and "hayseed" comments, darn it, I'm from the cosmopolitan metro Chicago area. Sorry, gotta go shuck some corn now and feed the chickens.... ;)
Most projections have McCallum going mid to late 2nd round. This is a very strong year for point guards. Thus it's likely he would go higher if he'd stay for his senior year, but the folks I talked to at Detroit said he really couldn't wait to get out of there.
He's not going to get drafted. Some sites like CBS and Nbadraft.net agree with me.
Yes, I love to hear the Hillbilly comments from Detroit as well. We should call them, 'the dumb ones who stayed in Detroit while the city has been crumbling around them.' It doesn't roll off of the tongue, but is very apropo :). We can also compare financial information if they really want to get into a debate of what a Valpo education will get you ;).
Fact is, Ray Jr is extremely classless ON the basketball court. He may do nice things off the court, but on it, he is a complete POS. Any school in the conference would back this information up as well.
I agree, he is not going to be drafted. Compare him to a guy like Isaiah Canaan, and you can see that they are worlds apart. Ray is NOT one of the best 60 players to enter the draft this year, and wouldn't be next year either. Maybe he goes the NBDL route to get a shot at the NBA, but I just can't see him as having enough quality to be drafted.
NBAdraft.net has not updated their mock since McCallum announced he was coming out. They actually do have him as the 52nd best prospect. Chad Ford on ESPN has McCallum ranked at 38. There's a pretty good chance he's going to get drafted despite what we all think of him.
He is a big strong guard with an NBA body. He is extremely quick as well. Yes, we don't like him but he was/is good and I do expect him to be drafted in the mid-second round.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/22mcxx.jpg)
He is the 57th best prospect according to this article: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/28/detroit-point-guard-ray-mccallum-entering-the-nba-draft/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/28/detroit-point-guard-ray-mccallum-entering-the-nba-draft/)
Regardless of what some of these experts say, I still don't see it. It has absolutely nothing to do with my dislike of Ray, but everything to do with any games I have seen him play. He just doesn't stand out as an NBA-caliber guy. I have seen many people over the years that were ranked in the 30s-40s as far as NBA prospect lists, that did not get drafted. I see Ray as being one of these people. I will be extremely ticked off if my Mavs were to take him in any round, again, not based on my strong dislike, but on what I have seen from several games.
LOL. He used my quote
Quote from: vufan75 on April 29, 2013, 02:56:38 PM
You know you've struck a nerve with some folks when they go "on the attack" on a basketball message board. Ran across this when perusing Detroit's board and their fans reaction to "Ray's Decision". And the Commissioner said yesterday....
by Commissioner » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:00 pm
Meanwhile, over at Hillbilly forum (aka the Valpo Fan Zone) they've got several guys jabbering away with cheap personal shots at Ray. I found this the most interesting:
________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I hope he goes. I hated watching him play and I think Kendrick Perry will be the best player in the HL by far next season, even if Junior is back. He showed up to play every game unlike Junior and nobody could really slow him down.
I think Junior is a classless player, on a classless team, and with a classless coach. I would HATE if he was the face of the HL next year.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Yeah, who wants as the face of your league a kid who's an Honor Roll student, who doesn't have so much as a parking ticket marring his record, who chose your mid-major conference over offers in every BCS league, American born and raised, who never lips off in the press, and plays at an all-American level? You'd have to be an idiot to want that.
Oh, and Kendrick Perry? Love him. Great player. I agree he is the Horizon pre-season POY for 2013-14. Of course, there was that 9 point, 3 of 9 shooting, 4 turnover performance against Detroit this year - but he was still fast, I guess, so in that sense, no one really slowed him down.
What a bunch of pompous hayseeds (still love that description from fan at the YSU board) and graceless losers.
Maybe the commish ought to check out the game tape from the HL Finals held at Valpo in March 2012, to see what sort of sportsmanship that his guy exhibited. ::) Or maybe look at the stats of the Valpo-Detroit games this year. Not that overwhelming from how I see it. Too bad Detroit had to go and lose in the tournament semi's this past season. Darn the luck. And I'ze resent dem "hillbilly" and "hayseed" comments, darn it, I'm from the cosmopolitan metro Chicago area. Sorry, gotta go shuck some corn now and feed the chickens.... ;)
He got scared cause he knows it's true about Junior. I see him going undrafted and losing to Ryan Broekhoff over in Europe next season.
Do people from Purdue get called hillbillies too?
There is NO WAY that an nba team is gonna take Junior. If a shut-down defender in college can turn him into a moving traffic cone, he has no chance in the nba. EB shut him down completely when he was on the court, and when every nba team has EBs X 10 = Waterboy.
He's probably gonna wind up playing in Europe and unless he shows vast improvements that's where he'll stay.
Quote from: a3uge on April 29, 2013, 05:33:25 PM
Do people from Purdue get called hillbillies too?
IDK, but if Valpo people are hillbillies then I wonder what somebody would be from the WORST city in America is???
It's a tough choice between Detroit and Cleveland for worst larger city in America, but I give the edge to Detroit. So many people from Detroit have moved to DFW, and spoken to me about how much cleaner and safer the area is versus Decrap ;)
Quote from: valpotx on April 29, 2013, 05:12:29 PM
He is the 57th best prospect according to this article: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/28/detroit-point-guard-ray-mccallum-entering-the-nba-draft/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/28/detroit-point-guard-ray-mccallum-entering-the-nba-draft/)
Regardless of what some of these experts say, I still don't see it. It has absolutely nothing to do with my dislike of Ray, but everything to do with any games I have seen him play. He just doesn't stand out as an NBA-caliber guy. I have seen many people over the years that were ranked in the 30s-40s as far as NBA prospect lists, that did not get drafted. I see Ray as being one of these people. I will be extremely ticked off if my Mavs were to take him in any round, again, not based on my strong dislike, but on what I have seen from several games.
Wow, you just raised something I never thought of - only my concern would be my beloved Bulls drafting him. Then again, the Bulls have the best point guard in the NBA sitting on the bench in street clothes long after he should have returned from a knee injury. Apparently, they have point guards to spare. :banghead:
There's just not as many spots open for true point guards on a roster as there are for forwards. Last year there were 6 PG drafted. There's plenty of PG talent this year with players who can shoot much better than McCallum.
so...no Highlights readers on this board?
Quote from: classof2014 on April 29, 2013, 05:40:44 PM
IDK, but if Valpo people are hillbillies then I wonder what somebody would be from the WORST city in America is???
I would bet good money that 9 of their 10 message board fans don't live in Detroit, but rather in the adjacent white-flight suburban area. My daughter worked at the Renaissance Center in downtown Detroit for 2 years. At the end of the day, she and her co-workers called security, who drove them to their cars in the parking garage and waited until they started their cars and flashed their lights before leaving them there. Part of her new employee orientation was instruction about how to drive on a flat tire until she got to a lighted "safe zones" before waiting for assistance. By the way, she lived in 2 different suburban communities while she was there - both were standard bedroom communities that could easily have passed for hayseed Valpo. Needless to say, I slept a lot easier when she was transferred to Chicago, and took up residence in Lincoln Park where people actually go outside at night and life is fun.
I don't see Junior as one of the top 60 players available for the draft. Remember this would also include any foreign players we are not familiar with, as now seems to be the norm in recent drafts. Isaiah Canaan and Vander Blue are better PGs in my mind and in many of the mock drafts their positions vary greatly. Those two appear in most of the mocks that I have seen, but in the ones where they appear between the 45-55 slots Junior does not appear. That still leaves him with about a 20% chance of getting drafted. Who knows, maybe Senior has some influence among the NBA GMs.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 29, 2013, 07:59:44 PM
so...no Highlights readers on this board?
used to. 15 years ago... either way, i appreciated the joke.
Quote from: wh on April 29, 2013, 08:37:26 PM
Quote from: classof2014 on April 29, 2013, 05:40:44 PM
IDK, but if Valpo people are hillbillies then I wonder what somebody would be from the WORST city in America is???
I would bet good money that 9 of their 10 message board fans don't live in Detroit, but rather in the adjacent white-flight suburban area. My daughter worked at the Renaissance Center in downtown Detroit for 2 years. At the end of the day, she and her co-workers called security, who drove them to their cars in the parking garage and waited until they started their cars and flashed their lights before leaving them there. Part of her new employee orientation was instruction about how to drive on a flat tire until she got to a lighted "safe zones" before waiting for assistance. By the way, she lived in 2 different suburban communities while she was there - both were standard bedroom communities that could easily have passed for hayseed Valpo. Needless to say, I slept a lot easier when she was transferred to Chicago, and took up residence in Lincoln Park where people actually go outside at night and life is fun.
Holy crap. I make fun of Detroit, but didn't know it was THAT bad
Quote from: vuweathernerd on April 29, 2013, 10:23:57 PMused to. 15 years ago... either way, i appreciated the joke.
thanks, man. i guess i didn't/shouldn't mean
current subscribers. :)
This guy think he could be a celtic:
http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2013/04/18/boston-celtics-draft-prospects-ray-mccallum/ (http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2013/04/18/boston-celtics-draft-prospects-ray-mccallum/)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 30, 2013, 08:25:52 AM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on April 29, 2013, 10:23:57 PMused to. 15 years ago... either way, i appreciated the joke.
thanks, man. i guess i didn't/shouldn't mean current subscribers. :)
is it even still published? not having kids, i don't go to pediatrician's offices very much... haha.
http://www.highlightskids.com/ (http://www.highlightskids.com/)
you're all welcome. :)
Quote from: vu72 on April 30, 2013, 02:12:48 PM
This guy think he could be a celtic:
http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2013/04/18/boston-celtics-draft-prospects-ray-mccallum/ (http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2013/04/18/boston-celtics-draft-prospects-ray-mccallum/)
New Englander here.... If the Celts draft him I'm moving to Wisconsin. Come to think of it, I'm moving there anyway............. but it'll make the move easier. ;)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 30, 2013, 05:03:33 PM
http://www.highlightskids.com/ (http://www.highlightskids.com/)
you're all welcome. :)
:clap:
I see nbdaraft.net updated their mock draft.
Removing a number of college players who decided to return to school, and adding folks like Ray Jr.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft (http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft)
They've got him 58th. So, in the conversation... but marginal.
They have 8 PG's ahead of him (and 2 PG/SG's). One PG behind him.
Could McCallum be a 1st round draft choice? One mock draft thinks so:
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2013-04-30/nba-draft-2013-mock-draft-magic-bobcats-cavs-nerlens-noel-cody-zeller-trey-burke (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2013-04-30/nba-draft-2013-mock-draft-magic-bobcats-cavs-nerlens-noel-cody-zeller-trey-burke)
Moving into the 1st round would be a real game changer in both salary and security.
Quote from: wh on May 02, 2013, 07:40:12 PMMoving into the 1st round would be a real game changer in both salary and security.
Not going to happen, but it would be if it were (as they say "it only takes one team").
First-rounders: 2 years guaranteed. Second-rounders: nothing comes guaranteed.
An interesting case study is last year's draft. Vanderbilt teammates
Festus Ezeli (All-Time-Name-Team nominnee) and
Jeffery Taylor were the last pick of the first (#30 to Golden State) and first pick of the second (#31 to Charlotte) rounds, respectively.
Ezeli's contract:
4 years, $4.12 million (last two years are team option).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ezelife01.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ezelife01.html)
Taylor's contract:
3 years, $2.28 million (appears all three years guaranteed).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tayloje03.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tayloje03.html)
Even if worst-case scenario were to occur and Ezeli to wash out, he still made $2.09 million in 2 years, or just a bit under what Taylor will make in 3, even though they were teammates just a pick apart.
EDIT: perhaps only the first 2 years of Taylor's contract are guaranteed
http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/CHA.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/CHA.html)
And just because I am interested in things, here's the difference between #1 (Anthony Davis) and #60 (Mr. Irrelevant):
#1 Anthony Davis (New Orleans): 4 years (2 guaranteed, 2 team option) $10.52 guaranteed, $22.2 million total.
#60 Robert Sacre (Los Angeles): 1 year, minimum salary, $474K.
Don't get me wrong, I would love a half-million, but it's definitely not what some are getting!
OK, sorry now you've gotten me going.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2012/06/28/the-structure-of-nba-rookie-contracts/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2012/06/28/the-structure-of-nba-rookie-contracts/)
A really helpful article about the salary scale, and I didn't know that most agents don't take a commission for rookie deals!
http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm (http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm)
This guy calculates the value of each pick, 1-60, from 1989 to 2008. Long story short, chances of pick being a:
1 overall: 70% star, 25% solid, 5% role
...
30 overall: 5% star, 10% solid, 25% role, 25% deep bench, 15% bust, 20% DNP
31 overall: 5% solid, 25% role, 25% deep bench, 30% bust, 15% DNP
...
60 overall: 50% bust, 50% DNP
so, wow. other than Ginobili and Michael Redd, I can't think of too many 2nd round stars, period.
http://www.82games.com/barzilai1.htm (http://www.82games.com/barzilai1.htm)
finally, this very deep paper (from an MIT basketball player and PhD) features this graph on the value of pics, which, SCIENCE! :)
(http://www.82games.com/Image16.gif)
bottom line, why come out if there's no chance of 1st round? well, he found the one site that had him pegged there, I guess.
Second Round to Sacramento Kings--36th overall pick.
Not a bad outcome for Mr. McCallum. RLH used to always say that if you're good enough, the NBA will find you. Seemingly, playing for a Mid Major didn't hurt him in the slightest.
Which basically means that he will have to earn his way from the NBDL to the NBA. Not many second rounders make their first NBA roster during their first year
Quote from: wh on June 27, 2013, 11:42:06 PMNot a bad outcome for Mr. McCallum. RLH used to always say that if you're good enough, the NBA will find you. Seemingly, playing for a Mid Major didn't hurt him in the slightest.
Let's be truthful here, he will most likely end up with a slightly longer professional basketball career than Rowdy. We had all hoped that the virtuous style that Ryan projected on the court, in the classroom, in the community, as a faithful member of the Valpo athletic department, and as a family friendly personality would propel Mr. Broekhoff to a more successful career than Mr. McCallum. But, as we have seen during the NBA playoffs and championship round the NBA is about raw talent and it is more of an individual sport than almost every other professional team sport, except maybe baseball, and despite all the virtures that Rowdy possesses it's the raw talent that pays in the NBA. I believe Ryan will have a more productive and fulfilling life but Ray McCallum Jr. will have the more successful professional basketball career. Although he is way behind Norris Cole in NBA championships already. And somehow that makes me feel good.
Without taking time to look it up, memory leads me to think that McCallum's position in the draft was very close to that of Sheldon Mack.
(http://s18.postimg.org/6dggifa3d/Screen_shot_2013_06_30_at_9_32_38_PM.png)
In all seriousness, he was pick #34 in 2011.
http://www.nba.com/kings/news/kings-select-ben-mclemore-first-round (http://www.nba.com/kings/news/kings-select-ben-mclemore-first-round)
Quote
And with the second-round pick, Ray McCallum is just one of the classiest young men you'll ever meet and a heck of a player."
said Kings General Manager Pete D'Alessandro.
I guess he is really good at fooling people :)
Quote from: agibson on July 03, 2013, 10:44:31 AMQuote (selected)
And with the second-round pick, Ray McCallum is just one of the classiest young men you'll ever meet and a heck of a player."
I am sure that Ray has some fine qualities that we are not yet ready to appreciate, but we all know that the above statement is one of those fill in the blank "coachspeaks " (this time delivered by the GM) which are thrown out to the crowd in the absence of much detailed knowledge.
Heck, if I were to do enough research I could probably find a Dave Bliss quote saying the exact same thing about Carlton Dotson.
Quote from: justducky on July 03, 2013, 02:40:42 PMHeck, if I were to do enough research I could probably find a Dave Bliss quote saying the exact same thing about Carlton Dotson.
ouch...(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/badboo/badboo0806/badboo080600010/3170613-conceptual-image-of-a-vintage-alarm-clock-showing-that-it-is-too-soon.jpg)
Dang it, he is apparently doing well:
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-130717/daily-dime (http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-130717/daily-dime)
tx, not sure I would buy too much into the NBA Summer League stats, as they just look more like a 1-on-1 fest for the draftees to show why they were drafted, so fans can shut their traps about bad drafting in the second round. I would wait to pay more attention to Ray when the preseason games get underway, even though most of those won't be on tv, and if they are, they'll be on NBA TV in tape delay.
3 year deal for McCallum, guaranteed. http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2013/07/kings-sign-ray-mccallum.html (http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2013/07/kings-sign-ray-mccallum.html)
I didn't think second rounders were allowed guaranteed contracts? 3 years gives for some time to develop into the point guard he could be once the hype for the other three players he's going against for the rotation spot fizzles.
Geez, I still very much hope he fizzles out completely
Quote from: valporun on July 19, 2013, 10:49:09 AM
I didn't think second rounders were allowed guaranteed contracts? 3 years gives for some time to develop into the point guard he could be once the hype for the other three players he's going against for the rotation spot fizzles.
They aren't automatic like first rounders but his agent seems to have gotten that for him anyway.
Quote from: vu72 on July 19, 2013, 02:14:27 PMThey aren't automatic like first rounders but his agent seems to have gotten that for him anyway.
If that's true, that's an amazing job by his agent. We'll see if he can back it up.