Both teams coming off a bye. Campbell is 1-2. BTW the only unbeaten PFL team is Mercer at 3-0. In three weeks they have more W's than VU in 3.27 years.
Quote from: VULB#62 on September 23, 2013, 06:00:37 AMIn three weeks they have more W's than VU in 3.27 years.
:o
At first I was grateful that we made it past the bye (or Bayh) week unscathed, but then this factoid arises! Sad, truly sad.
This is Carlson's fourth year. Every player is either his recruit or a 5th year senior that has bought into his system. This should be a year of
great improvement, which we have yet to see. I guess that one could say that the PFL season is a new season, and look at it from that perspective. This team needs to make changes on both offense and defense - the same old plays won't do it in the PFL season. We really need a big win.
Valpo 38
Campbell 24
UNC-Charlotte (FCS Scholarship) Lost 7-52
UVA- Wise (DII) Won 56-21
Charleston Southern (FCS Scholarship) Lost 10-30
They seem to be improving.
I still see us having their number:
Valpo 38
Campbell 27
According to the latest Sagarin ratings it will be #248 Valpo against #249 Campbell. With the home field advantage the winner should be Valpo. Don't bet on it. I'll take Campbell and hopefully a 0-11 season. Carlson,good bye! :clap:
Campbell 42
Valpo 31
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Campbell 43
Valpo 42
Wednesday is Hump Day... on Saturday, it's Homecoming, nice weather expected... Valpo 49 Campbell 39...
Rose colored Glasses are giving me a glare on my monitor... did I really say that?
Quote from: talksalot on September 25, 2013, 04:26:52 PM
Wednesday is Hump Day... on Saturday, it's Homecoming, nice weather expected... Valpo 49 Campbell 39...
Rose colored Glasses are giving me a glare on my monitor... did I really say that?
Try the reflective brown ones with the gold frame!
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If Valpo wins Saturday, they will 3-0 vs. Campbell and what?.....1-33 (?) vs. everyone else in Carlson's time? If we lose..it will be a new low.
Yawn.
Last time I will post on football topics until Carlson is gone.
No. I believe they will be 0-33 against everyone else.
Quote from: vu72 on September 25, 2013, 04:45:00 PMTry the reflective brown ones with the gold frame!
Quote from: vu72 on September 25, 2013, 04:45:00 PMQuote from: talksalot on September 25, 2013, 04:26:52 PMWednesday is Hump Day... on Saturday, it's Homecoming, nice weather expected... Valpo 49 Campbell 39... Rose colored Glasses are giving me a glare on my monitor... did I really say that?
You could always use a pair of those brown and gold fancy sunglasses that they have been handing out at some of the VU sporting events since about Feb/March 2013. That would help with the glare and they are quite stunning.
Quote from: VULB#62 on September 25, 2013, 07:28:08 PM
No. I believe they will be 0-33 against everyone else.
So, 0-33 against everybody else and 2-0 against Campbell. You think Mike Minter is going to stand for that. The Camels are the only team to lose to Valpo in the last 4 seasons. Mike, the Camel coach, played through a Super Bowl game with a broken foot. He will some how lead Campbell to a victory. If they get hot then they it will be like playing against hot soup?? :(
Oh my!
Keep the Camel soup cold!!
So...correct me if I'm wrong...but the only record that counts is the league record. Therefore, beating Campbell would put the Crusaders in a position (1-0) to make a run for a league championship. Sure, I might be punch drunk but it's more fun to be optimistic than pessimistic.
Quote from: VUOR63 on September 26, 2013, 09:41:29 AM
So...correct me if I'm wrong...but the only record that counts is the league record. Therefore, beating Campbell would put the Crusaders in a position (1-0) to make a run for a league championship. Sure, I might be punch drunk but it's more fun to be optimistic than pessimistic.
You are correct oh great optimistic one!
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Quote from: VUOR63 on September 26, 2013, 09:41:29 AM
So...correct me if I'm wrong...but the only record that counts is the league record. Therefore, beating Campbell would put the Crusaders in a position (1-0) to make a run for a league championship. Sure, I might be punch drunk but it's more fun to be optimistic than pessimistic.
When was the last time we were 1-0 in the PFL? Lets go for it!
Quote from: covufan on September 26, 2013, 09:57:26 AMWhen was the last time we were 1-0 in the PFL?
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=262592413 (http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=262592413)
9/16/06
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on September 26, 2013, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: covufan on September 26, 2013, 09:57:26 AMWhen was the last time we were 1-0 in the PFL?
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=262592413 (http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=262592413)
9/16/06
Thanks. What is our Homecoming record over the last 5 or 10 years? We can start a new streak this year!
Quote from: covufan on September 26, 2013, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on September 26, 2013, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: covufan on September 26, 2013, 09:57:26 AMWhen was the last time we were 1-0 in the PFL?
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=262592413 (http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=262592413)
9/16/06
Thanks. What is our Homecoming record over the last 5 or 10 years? We can start a new streak this year!
The Homecoming game isn't identified as such but if you assume it is the last game in September then the record over the last 10 years is 1-10 with the last win in 2004. How pathetic is that! Way to get the alumni to contribute!!
In 2003 when we won the championship, Morehead State won the Homecoming game on a disputed touchdown (too bad there wasn't any instant replay!). Fortunately, we won the right game against them that year.
I love some of the optimism here but I just saw nothing last game that this team is moving forward.
If for some reason something clicks and the gears move together I will be there cheering for old Valpo.
Dude,
Cheering for Valpo is always a good thing, but if something looks like a turd and needs to be cleaned up, you need to address that too. The problem is that the Valpo adminstration are not being good citizens by not carrying their pooper scoopers.
Hopefully our 2003 team can bring some luck!
http://valpoathletics.com/football/news/2013-14/12964/events-surround-homecoming-football-game-on-saturday/ (http://valpoathletics.com/football/news/2013-14/12964/events-surround-homecoming-football-game-on-saturday/)
I completely forgot that it will have been 10 years since I was last in school, otherwise I would have made more of an attempt to get back to VU this year :)
Quote from: bbtds on September 25, 2013, 08:13:55 PM
So, 0-33 against everybody else and 2-0 against Campbell. You think Mike Minter is going to stand for that. The Camels are the only team to lose to Valpo in the last 4 seasons. Mike, the Camel coach, played through a Super Bowl game with a broken foot. He will some how lead Campbell to a victory.
And that is why I think Campbell will win. There's no way they didn't have Valpo circled on the calendar. Mike Minter > Dale Carlson
I think a loss in this game will be a clear, no doubt ending for Carlson's coaching tenure at Valpo. He will be gone without a doubt by the end of the season if there is a loss in this game. He may still be gone if they win and not win a couple more.
Also, this game could be the make or break for football at Valparaiso University. This is homecoming, there will be a lot of people, and some influential folks. IMHO, there is a lot at stake at this game.
any thoughts?
A loss today will definitely seal Carlson's fate. Would love to see him removed immediately, but doubt that will happen. To save his job, a victory today will have to be the start of a MAJOR turnaround with several more wins. Don't see this happening given the track record. Hasn't happened in 3.5 years! Agree that Minter has had this game circled and has been hyping it since camp opened. They do not want to lose to Dale Carlson again. Going to be tough for Valpo to beat them for a third time in spite of the Homecoming crowd.
That said, IMO, Valpo will not drop football. Hopefully, they will use the Carlson hire to be more selective with the next choice. We need someone younger, more flexible with the "system'" and foreword thinking.
Well, if you are trying to gain supporters and, donors, what better chance then at Homecoming. The record is pathetic at Homecoming so a win today is a must. The pressure is on !!!!!!
obligatory: "the camels are coming hurrah hurrah"
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Good start, td in a handful of plays!!!
Anyone else struggling to get an audio or video feed for the game? Almost 10 minutes, and no WVUR, WAKE or HLN/UStream, at least from my vantage point.
No audio or video. Awesome!
I am struggling to see or hear the game as well.
Only have Game Tracker up. Gave up a FG after an INT and a 43 yd runback. First drive -- Hutson got 7 on 1st down, then Hoffman throws two incompletes with only 3 yards to get. Play selection!
It just came on for me, in time to see the bad snap for a safety on a punt
Same here, tx, then it just went 'off air' again at the end of the 1st quarter.
Mercer may not be the pushover we all thought they would be as a 1st year team, but they are leading Drake, 17-7. If the Crusaders don't pull this game out against Campbell, then there is no chance we'll beat Mercer, who has a 3-0 record and a winning attitude...UGH!!! >:( >:( >:(
Second half underway. Where's the video?
Good question, 414!! This was how the game started out, no audio feed either!! I'm thinking numerous phone calls from all of us to Mark LaBarbara about this issue is in order. This happens way too often, and someone needs to be accountable for it.
I'm not sure what's more embarrassing, the way the football team plays or the athletic department's inability to provide a reliable video.
The rest of the PFL games are complete.
Marist 31-Dayton 20
Mercer 31- Drake 17
Morehead St. 45- Davidson 14
Butler 45- Jacksonville 27
San Diego 59- Stetson 0
If your school started with an M- Congratulations! If your school started with a D, did it end with one? Poor Stetson, why couldn't you be on our schedule this season?
I've had WVUR on my laptop since halftime and it's working for me. I also have the video tab up in case it comes back.
Sounds like Campbell just kicked a field goal. I believe it's now 28-21 Camels early in the second half
The audio thru WVUR is back, but really choppy to the point of completely worthless to listen to it.
Yup, 28-21 Campbell, but the audio, at least for me, is back to buffering. Anyone ready to join me on the phone call overload? I'm glad I wasn't asked to pay $5-10 for this game.
This ineptness fits right in with the whole football debacle!
It seems the video is back and forth. Not sure who is in charge of this setup for the athletic department, but either the person needs better training/understanding of what their job is, or needs to be handed a pink slip? I guess it is a good thing that all other sports are covered by people thru the Horizon League who have a grasp of what they are doing with the video feeds, because the guy who works this for football sure doesn't.
TIED AT 28 LATE IN THE THIRD QUARTER!
Chad -- The guy running the video feed also helps run the video feeds for basketball and the other sports. None of these people are provided by the Horizon League. I haven't watched the stream (I'm at the game), so I can't speak to what you're seeing. Just want to state that the staff is largely the same today as it is for basketball games.
Campbell retakes the lead on a "Receiver-Reverse-Option-Pass" (pgmado's description) and Valpo responds with a touchdown of its own, but misses the extra point...
Seinfeld reference coming...
Newman!
But all jokes aside, one point game currently favoring Campbell about midway through the fourth quarter. Big kickoff return into Valpo territory by Campbell
Then someone needs to pinch them in the arm about 10 minutes before the game starts to make sure that the video will be ready to have the switch flipped so NO ONE MISSES THE KICKOFF!! It happened in both halves today, and that's unacceptable for a group of people who should know what they are doing. At the start of the game, and the start of the second half, we had the Horizon League Network screen for about 10 minutes each half. I would be really upset if I was paying a dime for this, but still to not have the video up at the start of play in both the first and third quarters is unacceptable, regardless of who is running the feed.
Look at that, a Valpo win against Campbell 49-42 in OT. Good job guys to not give up when down
I starting watching late in the first half and then, as with others, lost the feed into the second for a while. Then it came on and the rest was a very entertaining game and gutsy win. Give them credit. Great win at Homecoming in front of what was reported to be a pretty decent crowd.
Yes, it was a gutsy win, very crazy shootout, much like the high school game I attended in Belvidere, IL last night. Hope this win leads to appropriate attitude changes going into next week's game at Marist. It will be an early start for us, being at 11AM CT, but hopefully these guys practice hard this week, and make everything good that happened this week carry over to that game in Poughkeepsie(sp?). Great games from Hutson and Gladney, and Hoffmann had some great passes and looks all game long.
yeah, always good to get a win, and great that we have these guys' number.
you know i'm usually optimistic, but I gotta point out one thing: how many teams are +4 in turnover margin and only win by seven? That's...not good.
Only one I can think of off top o'head is ND's debacle against UM last year (TOs also 6-2 in favor of the home team)....5 straight picks and they still only won 13-6...
You have to cream people that give you four gifts like that.
But a win is a win, and it doesn't happen enough around here to nit-pick more than that!
RING THE FREAKING bELL!!!!
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It's good to know there is one team in your league that is worse than your team.
FINALGAME OVER
DATE 9/28/2013
ATTENDANCE 3357
HUDSON,BRIAN RUSH FOR NO GAIN TO THE VALPO1 (DERBAK, PATRICK;GUILFORD, JOHN).
HUDSON,Brian
HUDSON,Brian
21-33 256 YDS
1 TD 3 INT
RUSH 89 YDS 1 TD
#18
Hoffman, Eric
Hoffman, Eric
33-47 407 YDS
4 TD 1 INT
RUSH -1 YDS
QB #19
Quote from: talksalot on September 25, 2013, 04:26:52 PMWednesday is Hump Day... on Saturday, it's Homecoming, nice weather expected... Valpo 49 Campbell 39...
Rose colored Glasses are giving me a glare on my monitor... did I really say that?
Just saying... sorry we gave them that extra field goal.... and great to hear the victory bell ringing. I hope Campbell's #20 will be OK... that was a scary injury. Every player out there left it all on the field. Good Luck in Poo-Kipsee next week.
Congratulations to the team in a hard fought win! :) lets find several more!
Congratulations to the team for a great display of determination and a well-deserved victory at Homecoming!
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A win is a win and this was my first in-person win in the Carlson era.
It makes me scream thinking about how close VU was to both St Joe and William Jewell and couldn't come through.
Great determination by the team. If we would just not go so conservative in the 2nd quarter. Maybe Valpo should use the shotgun the whole game and actually THROW the BALL DOWN FIELD!!!
Also Campbell scored on a third down and 15 or something. Valpo ran the ball on 3rd down and 20+ to go. When you're playing a team like Campbell why would you ever go conservative?
It was good to see the attendance figure at the Campbell game of 3,357 :thumbsup:
Some others around the PFL
Butler 45- JU 27 -- ATT: 1172 - What's with this? JU is a perennial leader, Butler defending Co-Champ, and they barely get 1,000?
SDU 59 - Stetson 0 -- ATT 5,874 - That's more like it
Marist 31 Dayton 20 -- ATT: 5,146 - Nice
Mercer 31 - Drake 17 -- ATT: 8,150 - The Bears are slipping. That's another drop in attendance despite being 3-0 coming in and playing their first PFL game
Morehead State 45 - Davidson 14 -- ATT: 2,341 - Two losing teams might explain that. I thought MSU was bad, but apparently Davidson will give us a run for our money for the bottom. Wish we had Davidson and Stetson on our schedule instead of Mercer and anyone else.
A great football game--big win on an important day. The celebration around the victory bell surely made a deep impression on all the players, families, and fans. Great attendance, too. Valpo continues to be a big play team--for us and against us. A couple of promising trends have emerged in the last two games (and yes, I realize these were the two easiest games). First, the O-line is doing a strong job protecting the QB. And that has led to the second--the QB is making more downfield throws. Teams, as of late, are packing the box and overloading the D-line on us, believing that will make the QB throw the quick toss to the slot or wide out for a gain of +/- 1 or 2 yards. But our line is holding, and I guess our new QB coach is teaching Hoffman to hold for another click or two and find the mid routes steaking with man coverage. Or Gladney in man coverage running a route that allows Hoffman to throw over the lone defender. We haven't opened up the run as much as needed, but hey something is working. While the defense held strong on the final series, they still miss way too many tackles up front. Solve that, and they're playing much better these days too. As for the takeaway margin, don't read too much into it. We made a pick on the last play of regulation, in the endzone. Others were in deep territory, too. We lost a pick and fumble that were a bit more critical--the pick ended up in a field goal for them and the fumble prevented a score for us (on the 1 yd line). Snap over the punter's head gave them 2 points. Oh, those big plays!
It was great to get the win! This team needed it so badly. Have we been here before? How does this team capitalize on this victory?
I don't think Carlson wins again unless the thinking process of the quarterback changes. When Hoffman plays he completes passes if and only if his primary receiver is open. I think he gets one man on his mind and that is where he goes. On one interceptions he never looked anywhere else. You always know where Hoffman is throwing the ball. Hoffman is a really good passer. He hit some hands nobody else on the team or in Porter County could have hit. Let's get it in his head that he must versatile to really be the QB Valpo needs.
I agree Historyman. First important step, though, was to get the QB to look downfield instead of down the line of scrimmage. This step should get some defenses to shift. At this point in his career, it's unlikely that Hoffman will develop the higher level skill to check off options during a play. The line, though, is giving time for check offs.
Just sayin' it's nice to see at least one Valpo team wear the school colors...BROWN and gold
Quote from: valpo64 on September 29, 2013, 01:49:10 PMit's nice to see at least one Valpo team wear the school colors...BROWN and gold
amen. luckily no football team (over the average age of 7) would ever take the field in that "color".
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on September 29, 2013, 02:15:45 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on September 29, 2013, 01:49:10 PMit's nice to see at least one Valpo team wear the school colors...BROWN and gold
amen. luckily no football team (over the average age of 7) would ever take the field in that "color".
Just the Cleveland Browns. I love the football team uniforms in all configurations.
No, I am fine with the brown. I mean this new travesty, what Harrison Ford (in American Graffiti) would call something like "p*ss yellow".
That's not a color, that's an abomination.
(Although, in Garth Brooks' "Nobody Gets Off In This Town", he does say "the high school colors are brown". so that doesn't have a lot going for it either. Still better though)
I have had a busy weekend, but I have now posted 30 photos from the Homecoming game against Campbell to a set at my Valpo Sports Photography web site, including the three below. In fact, the game went so long that I had to leave in the fourth quarter when the score was tied because I had promised to meet friends at Brewfest and then attend a dinner at Lake Michigan. Therefore, I'm sorry to say I didn't get to take pictures of the overtime or post-game celebration.
Still, there are a number of good images in the set, which can be found at the following link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157636032939474/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157636032939474/)
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"Lord, If you will send me one player to help me win another game, I promise we will wear the neon green uniforms!"
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Quote from: historyman on September 29, 2013, 11:57:14 AM
It was great to get the win! This team needed it so badly. Have we been here before? How does this team capitalize on this victory?
I don't think Carlson wins again unless the thinking process of the quarterback changes. When Hoffman plays he completes passes if and only if his primary receiver is open. I think he gets one man on his mind and that is where he goes. On one interceptions he never looked anywhere else. You always know where Hoffman is throwing the ball. Hoffman is a really good passer. He hit some hands nobody else on the team or in Porter County could have hit. Let's get it in his head that he must versatile to really be the QB Valpo needs.
So throwing out the first game which should have never been scheduled, our QB is hitting on a 64% completion rate, 1200 yards, 11 TD's vs. 2 INT's plus we have scored 31, 34 and 49 in successive weeks and you think he well have to improve for us to win more games as opposed to the obvious stuff like a defense that has given up an average of 37 points and 512 yards in the last three games or the fact that we continue to miss extra points or that our punting and kick coverage remains wildly inconsistent?
Our QB can certainly improve but he is way down the list of what has to get better for us to win some more games.
Quote from: IndyValpo on September 30, 2013, 07:28:45 AMOur QB can certainly improve but he is way down the list of what has to get better for us to win some more games.
touché
let's start with tackling
Do we not have any hot routes? There was one play where we had trips (3 WRs) to the left, with only 2 defenders in that area, and both were 7-10 yards away from our receivers. One dude was completely undefended, and yet, he runs a deep route to run into a safety without ever giving a thought to, 'hey, I'm not being defended, let's do a quick button hook to get a first down.'
Speaking of Mercer, they are getting some pub from Yahoo:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/yahoo-sports-minute/alex-avant-interception-return-touchdown-091451134.html?vp=1 (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/yahoo-sports-minute/alex-avant-interception-return-touchdown-091451134.html?vp=1)
Talk about bad tackling (Drake) and strong athletic skills (DB)!
Quote from: valpotx on September 30, 2013, 12:25:11 PM
Do we not have any hot routes? There was one play where we had trips (3 WRs) to the left, with only 2 defenders in that area, and both were 7-10 yards away from our receivers. One dude was completely undefended, and yet, he runs a deep route to run into a safety without ever giving a thought to, 'hey, I'm not being defended, let's do a quick button hook to get a first down.'
Not in "The System". That would require coaching and giving the players the ability and responsibility to read what is given to them, and take it!
Quote from: IndyValpo on September 30, 2013, 07:28:45 AMQuote from: historyman on September 29, 2013, 11:57:14 AMIt was great to get the win! This team needed it so badly. Have we been here before? How does this team capitalize on this victory? I don't think Carlson wins again unless the thinking process of the quarterback changes. When Hoffman plays he completes passes if and only if his primary receiver is open. I think he gets one man on his mind and that is where he goes. On one interceptions he never looked anywhere else. You always know where Hoffman is throwing the ball. Hoffman is a really good passer. He hit some hands nobody else on the team or in Porter County could have hit. Let's get it in his head that he must versatile to really be the QB Valpo needs.
So throwing out the first game which should have never been scheduled, our QB is hitting on a 64% completion rate, 1200 yards, 11 TD's vs. 2 INT's plus we have scored 31, 34 and 49 in successive weeks and you think he well have to improve for us to win more games as opposed to the obvious stuff like a defense that has given up an average of 37 points and 512 yards in the last three games or the fact that we continue to miss extra points or that our punting and kick coverage remains wildly inconsistent? Our QB can certainly improve but he is way down the list of what has to get better for us to win some more games.
I actually believe that Hoffman is the key to winning because he does have some ability. I've given up on the defense, special teams and not sure what happens to Newman. David Macchi won 54-40something over Morehead in the PFL championship game in 2003. They didn't play a lot of defense then either.
If Hoffman can use his ability to increase his production a bit more Valpo wins the St Joe & William Jewell games and they are 3-1 and there is much room for Hoffman to grow.
Quote from: historyman on September 30, 2013, 12:57:24 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on September 30, 2013, 07:28:45 AMQuote from: historyman on September 29, 2013, 11:57:14 AMIt was great to get the win! This team needed it so badly. Have we been here before? How does this team capitalize on this victory? I don't think Carlson wins again unless the thinking process of the quarterback changes. When Hoffman plays he completes passes if and only if his primary receiver is open. I think he gets one man on his mind and that is where he goes. On one interceptions he never looked anywhere else. You always know where Hoffman is throwing the ball. Hoffman is a really good passer. He hit some hands nobody else on the team or in Porter County could have hit. Let's get it in his head that he must versatile to really be the QB Valpo needs.
So throwing out the first game which should have never been scheduled, our QB is hitting on a 64% completion rate, 1200 yards, 11 TD's vs. 2 INT's plus we have scored 31, 34 and 49 in successive weeks and you think he well have to improve for us to win more games as opposed to the obvious stuff like a defense that has given up an average of 37 points and 512 yards in the last three games or the fact that we continue to miss extra points or that our punting and kick coverage remains wildly inconsistent? Our QB can certainly improve but he is way down the list of what has to get better for us to win some more games.
I actually believe that Hoffman is the key to winning because he does have some ability. I've given up on the defense, special teams and not sure what happens to Newman. David Macchi won 54-40something over Morehead in the PFL championship game in 2003. They didn't play a lot of defense then either.
If Hoffman can use his ability to increase his production a bit more Valpo wins the St Joe & William Jewell games and they are 3-1 and there is much room for Hoffman to grow.
In the seven conference games in 2003, Valpo allowed 240 points, or an average of 34.29 per game. Included in these numbers are us giving up 45 to Drake and 42 to Morehead, both, wins.
A slight technicality. The games against Austin Peay, Jacksonville, and Morehead St. were not conference games. Those teams were in the PFL South. Those were the days that only games against the PFL North counted as conference games. Thus Valpo won the league with a 3-1 conference record, winning the tie-break because of the victory over San Diego (also 3-1). In the 12 games that season the Crusaders averaged 34 ppg, while giving up about 28 ppg. I think everybody would be happy with allowing 28 ppg this season.
That 2003 team was very fun to watch on offense. It basically involved Macchi throwing bombs to Giancola, who would burn every team deep on a straight deep route.
Say what you want about the 2003 defense but they got the stops necessary to win games--a lot like Valpo on Saturday against Campbell. Unless you're playing fantasy football, it doesn't matter how many points you give up as long as it isn't as much as your team scores.
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OMG, the Nuggies in 1990 to 1992, where Orlando Woolridge thougth he would reach all star status. Michael Adams at guard, the great Blair Rasmussem at center, Joe Wolf at forward. and Chirs Jackson to turn the franchise around. Westhead was a major bust with a low talent level.
Quote from: chef on September 30, 2013, 04:23:09 PM
A slight technicality. The games against Austin Peay, Jacksonville, and Morehead St. were not conference games. Those teams were in the PFL South. Those were the days that only games against the PFL North counted as conference games. Thus Valpo won the league with a 3-1 conference record, winning the tie-break because of the victory over San Diego (also 3-1). In the 12 games that season the Crusaders averaged 34 ppg, while giving up about 28 ppg. I think everybody would be happy with allowing 28 ppg this season.
That seems like semantics to me. They would have been in the PFL championship game even if the other division games would have been counted? Correct?
Nope. They lost regular season games to Jacksonville and Morehead in 2003. It was fortunate they didn't count in the standings.
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 01, 2013, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on October 01, 2013, 03:38:10 PMPaulWestheadNoddingSadly.gif
OMG, the Nuggies in 1990 to 1992, where Orlando Woolridge thougth he would reach all star status. Michael Adams at guard, the great Blair Rasmussem at center, Joe Wolf at forward. and Chirs Jackson to turn the franchise around. Westhead was a major bust with a low talent level.
Geez, bringing back some bad memories for me, as they were bad back then. We lived in Denver from 1986-1990, right before moving to TX. I was a Nuggets' fan as a child because of this, but I hated watching Blair Rasmussen and Danny Schayes at Forward. I loved Michael Adams, and have a picture of me as an 8-9 year old with him at some event. I became a fan of all DFW sports teams in the early 90's, except I have retained my love for the Denver Broncos and dislike of the Cowboys :)
A win, A win, it's a win! I am really happy for the kids, and I know it must take a lot to deal with that kind of losing. 3-0 against Campbell...0-whatever against anybody else. To quote Ray Zalinski (Tommy Boy) "Savor the flavor because it sure as heck won't happen again"
Quote from: milanmiracle on October 02, 2013, 03:51:43 PMTo quote Ray Zalinski (Tommy Boy) "Savor the flavor because it sure as heck won't happen again"
Excellent...you're my new favorite poster.
the first part of that quote (that you omitted) could be used instead as the caption of the middle photograph above: "you threw one by me" :)
vudad is your son a linemen because you seem to give them a lot of credit. I would say they have improved for sure but were part of the problem before the offense started clicking as well. st. joes got to the qb multiples times from what i heard on the radio. your knowledge of whats happening to the team is off so watch your son and keep quiet from there.
historyman and valpotx i would love to know where you get your knowledge of football. to me you dont sound very smart. watching the last game there were plenty of check downs. the passing game is doing pretty well. conway and hutson are getting a lot of touches as well as underneath routes by gladney and cassara. To me you cant have that many passing yards and not go through your reads and have checks to get into the right plays.
In the past the offense was inexperienced and had a hard time executing plays as a whole. they are now starting to jell as a unit. watch out.
Quote from: valpofan98 on October 03, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
vudad is your son a linemen because you seem to give them a lot of credit. I would say they have improved for sure but were part of the problem before the offense started clicking as well. st. joes got to the qb multiples times from what i heard on the radio. your knowledge of whats happening to the team is off so watch your son and keep quiet from there.
historyman and valpotx i would love to know where you get your knowledge of football. to me you dont sound very smart. watching the last game there were plenty of check downs. the passing game is doing pretty well. conway and hutson are getting a lot of touches as well as underneath routes by gladney and cassara. To me you cant have that many passing yards and not go through your reads and have checks to get into the right plays.
In the past the offense was inexperienced and had a hard time executing plays as a whole. they are now starting to jell as a unit. watch out.
Never have taken a poster to task, but calling out individuals as you did didn't, IMO, fit with the spirit of this board. We disagree all the time, but don't tell people to shut up or tell them they don't know what they know. You are speculating about both and that is exactly what you are criticizing. I do, however, respect your observations on QB play and their use of underneath routes. Although, based on three seasons of history, those might (I don't know for sure) be called-in plays. That strategy was and still is a weakness we are vulnerable to on D.
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I could see hoffman go through the reads on most of those short pass. you don't look for multiple different receivers to throw a called play. thats reading a defense. also if any offense is to score points at any college level plays must me changed or checked out of. no coach can ever call the right play every time and that is the players responsibility to react to that on the field. so again there are checks being made and the primary receiver is not thrown to every time or there is no way the valpo offense or any offense for that matter can score consistently.
Sorry valpofan98, not even close on my id. Apologies if you don't agree with what I see/hear--there's plenty I question, too. As for my info on what's happening, I rest well knowing what I know and from whom. Watching the O-line the past two games is why I've sent kudos, and I've highlighted Hoffman's improvement since the August scrimmage. Hopefully, it's okay to throw observations, interpretations, theories, and wishes up on this forum going forward. Seems like we all want to see W's.
Quote from: valpofan98 on October 03, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
vudad is your son a linemen because you seem to give them a lot of credit. I would say they have improved for sure but were part of the problem before the offense started clicking as well. st. joes got to the qb multiples times from what i heard on the radio. your knowledge of whats happening to the team is off so watch your son and keep quiet from there?
historyman and valpotx i would love to know where you get your knowledge of football. to me you dont sound very smart. watching the last game there were plenty of check downs. the passing game is doing pretty well. conway and hutson are getting a lot of touches as well as underneath routes by gladney and cassara. To me you cant have that many passing yards and not go through your reads and have checks to get into the right plays.
In the past the offense was inexperienced and had a hard time executing plays as a whole. they are now starting to jell as a unit. watch out.
I've been watching out for over 30 years now.
I would love more than anything to see this team succeed. I think that means winning at least 2 more games. I have offered my opinions which will at times be critical of the team and they are just what they are----opinions. You are certainly free to disagree and state your opinion (and it would help if you used results). If there was another team in another conference that had the same record and the same kind of issues would you feel the same about that team.
I suggest that in your first two posts that you not tell anyone to not give their honest opinions and shut up. If it distresses you greatly to hear those opinions then maybe this is not the place for you.
Quote from: valpofan98 on October 03, 2013, 06:42:39 PMvudad is your son a linemen because you seem to give them a lot of credit. I would say they have improved for sure but were part of the problem before the offense started clicking as well. st. joes got to the qb multiples times from what i heard on the radio. your knowledge of whats happening to the team is off so watch your son and keep quiet from there.
historyman and valpotx i would love to know where you get your knowledge of football. to me you dont sound very smart. watching the last game there were plenty of check downs.
Wow! I commend VUdad and historyman for their civil and restrained retorts to valpofan98's initial post. I agree with VULB#62 that it is rare for that type of tone to be heard on this board. Not sure if I would have been so polite in my response.
Quote from: FWalum on October 04, 2013, 12:53:23 AMNot sure if I would have been so polite in my response.
goes double for me.
Quote from: valpofan98 on October 03, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
vudad is your son a linemen because you seem to give them a lot of credit. I would say they have improved for sure but were part of the problem before the offense started clicking as well. st. joes got to the qb multiples times from what i heard on the radio. your knowledge of whats happening to the team is off so watch your son and keep quiet from there.
historyman and valpotx i would love to know where you get your knowledge of football. to me you dont sound very smart. watching the last game there were plenty of check downs. the passing game is doing pretty well. conway and hutson are getting a lot of touches as well as underneath routes by gladney and cassara. To me you cant have that many passing yards and not go through your reads and have checks to get into the right plays.
In the past the offense was inexperienced and had a hard time executing plays as a whole. they are now starting to jell as a unit. watch out.
Hmm, let's see. I played football in the football-dominated state of TX, and have been a fan of the game since I was 4-5. You don't need to play college football to understand that if someone is not being defended, that it would be best to make that person get the ball through a nod of the head or hand signal. A 'little old baseball player' like me can even spot something like that on the field ::).
In regards to intelligence, before you say anything about someone 'not being very smart,' you might want to learn how to capitalize the first letter of each new sentence... 8-)
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 03, 2013, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: valpofan98 on October 03, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
vudad is your son a linemen because you seem to give them a lot of credit. I would say they have improved for sure but were part of the problem before the offense started clicking as well. st. joes got to the qb multiples times from what i heard on the radio. your knowledge of whats happening to the team is off so watch your son and keep quiet from there.
historyman and valpotx i would love to know where you get your knowledge of football. to me you dont sound very smart. watching the last game there were plenty of check downs. the passing game is doing pretty well. conway and hutson are getting a lot of touches as well as underneath routes by gladney and cassara. To me you cant have that many passing yards and not go through your reads and have checks to get into the right plays.
In the past the offense was inexperienced and had a hard time executing plays as a whole. they are now starting to jell as a unit. watch out.
Never have taken a poster to task, but calling out individuals as you did didn't, IMO, fit with the spirit of this board. We disagree all the time, but don't tell people to shut up or tell them they don't know what they know. You are speculating about both and that is exactly what you are criticizing. I do, however, respect your observations on QB play and their use of underneath routes. Although, based on three seasons of history, those might (I don't know for sure) be called-in plays. That strategy was and still is a weakness we are vulnerable to on D.
I have been called out, and responded in kind more than once, however, I didn't do it within my first 3 posts. That's just in poor taste IMO. While we might not all agree, as a whole I think we all get along pretty well, and just want Valpo to succeed. How we get to that point and what we categorize success may differ, but in my opinion most people on here are pretty civil and at worst tolerant of each other.
I have been critical about this situation and will be honest of my opinion and what I think needs to be done. However, we all need to show respect of our views. I will not go off saying what a wonderful job Carlson has done and we have a product meeting or exceeding expections. It is not happening period. But to rip people on the board who are all stakeholders of Valpo expressing their opinions is unacceptable.
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 05, 2013, 03:04:25 PMI have been critical about this situation and will be honest of my opinion and what I think needs to be done.
Is it time to start a thread on possible coaching candidates? What other upgrades does the University and football team need to be competitive in FCS non-scholarship football of the Pioneer Football League?
Quote from: covufan on October 05, 2013, 03:33:30 PMQuote from: usc4valpo on October 05, 2013, 03:04:25 PMI have been critical about this situation and will be honest of my opinion and what I think needs to be done.
Is it time to start a thread on possible coaching candidates? What other upgrades does the University and football team need to be competitive in FCS non-scholarship football of the Pioneer Football League?
Valpo needs better football facilities for sure. The locker room situation is unacceptable.
As for coaching candidates - I cannot think of a serious one right now. As for fun, I can imagine others who could step in. How about Mike Ditka as he accepts it gracefully in a humaritarian effort? We need a serious gamechanger. If da Coach came in, alumni donations would exponentially increase. Think of the ESPN coverage! Think of the post game interviews in Rensaleer! Think of all the Chicago kids going to Valpo. Think of the cigar smell in the ARC.
OK, wishful thinking. Back to Reality. Bummer.
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 05, 2013, 05:14:16 PMThink of the post game interviews in Rensaleer!
"Yep, this started out as a nightmare coming back to Ben's Ear Leer then it got worse. Improvement on defense? Who you crappin'? Wore a hunter's cap with flaps so Ben couldn't stare so much."