http://www.franklingrizzlies.com/mens-sports/mens-football/coaching-staff/head-coach/ (http://www.franklingrizzlies.com/mens-sports/mens-football/coaching-staff/head-coach/)
VU would be a step down for the Franklin College coach. :)
Quote from: Valpo89 on November 12, 2013, 09:04:25 AMVU would be a step down in pay, prestige, and success for the Franklin College coach.
improved it for you :)
He is probably too old as well. His background is interesting as he was an offensive coordinator at small programs for several years and then was named head coach. Clearly Franklin has a much better team, skill wise and coaching wise and that just shouldn't be the case.
Valpo offers a new coach a lot that a Franklin like position can't. A Valpo coach can offer a better and more recognized degree in many areas where a Franklin cannot compete. A Valpo coach can offer a program that travels like a major conference team (maybe more), not one bus ride after another. Sure, our facilities are sub-par but there are many reasons why Valpo should be attracting good athletes.
The bigger question is: we just don't know how good our players are--they may be better athletes than, say, a Franklin has. Why is that? I think we all know the answer.
Who are some of the VU grads that are coaching in the college ranks? How about former assistant coaches that might be in a position for head coach?
I understand that a coaching candidate will be at the Dayton game on Sat. Any other info?
Shopping List (not necessarily in priority order - don't have the time):
Enthusiastic motivator who doesn't need to rely on motivational quotes
Demands great practice effort of players and coaches
Has held position as recruiting coordinator; a plus if connections are the central Midwest; bonus if Chicagoland
Understands and has worked within the limitations of a non-scholarship, need-based financial aid system (D-III or Patriot, Ivy, PFL?)
Committed to tough defense - adaptable to available talent
Flexible offense approach that adapts to available talent; values the running game; is not commited to ball control via the pass
Management experience and skill -can build on off-field gains achieved in past 4 years
Program builder - can rally financial as well as emotional support to bolster the program
Willing to recruit the JUCO/Transfer universe in year one to fill talent gaps
Good person with high integrity
I invite posters to copy my starter list and add to it in their posts.
If the AD believes that the talent was upgraded during the last four years, we may need to think outside the box, and get someone that already has head coaching experience at the D-I level. John L. Smith, Terry Bowden, Bill Lynch and others have taken less than Division I jobs to get back into coaching. I think that someone like Mangino, DiNardo, Glen Mason, Jeff Jagodzinski or others may want the chance to reinvent themselves. Also, Div. I coordinators that have been passed over for HC like the Mallory boys might want to take on a challenge like Valpo. We could sell it as "Look what Harbaugh did with his opportunity in the PFL".
As others have pointed out, it could be difficult with salary considerations, but our strategic plan states we should be competitive within the PFL (salary-wise).
Two Region Guys that are in college coaching that I can think of is Ted Karras and Phil Burnett. Both are Hobart Guys. Burnett is a Brady Hoke understudy. Was at Ball State for a long time (was there for almost 10 years.). I think he is at Morehead State as the Defensive Coordinator. Its a new staff at Morehead and they are trying to turn that program around. Just throwing a couple of names around. I'm going to look up Burnett's past and see where he's been. Ted Karras is the HFC at Walsh a Div. 2 school in Ohio and we all know what he did down at Marian University.
Quote from: Chip Smith on November 12, 2013, 12:57:50 PM
Two Region Guys that are in college coaching that I can think of is Ted Karras and Phil Burnett. Both are Hobart Guys. Burnett is a Brady Hoke understudy. Was at Ball State for a long time (was there for almost 10 years.). I think he is at Morehead State as the Defensive Coordinator. Its a new staff at Morehead and they are trying to turn that program around. Just throwing a couple of names around. I'm going to look up Burnett's past and see where he's been. Ted Karras is the HFC at Walsh a Div. 2 school in Ohio and we all know what he did down at Marian University.
I alluded to Ted Karras in another thread the other day. I think he would do well here, just don't know if he would be interested. I guess commuting from Miller might be the kicker.
Mangino was vulgar at Kansas. Maybe he has had a personality overhaul. The man knows his football for sure. But he will stay at YSU just for loyality and fun.
Maybe Kiffin needs a reality check and get straighten out his coaching skills! I keed, I keed...
In reality, I would look at a good assistant from a solid PFL team (Drake, Butler, Dayton maybe since the regional roots canhelp recruiting). This job is a stepping stone opportunity.
If you want to take a risk, there could be some fun candidates who would do it to refresh their skills. An ex-NFL player who wants to make a difference with kids and get intot the coaching ranks. Look at Leslie Frazier - he coached at Trinity in Deerfield, IL.
Valpo needs to make sure they follow their athletic charter and provide a reasonable salary. I feel they may low ball a little...
MLB has some tough decisions regarding where we wants to go with the football program. He certainly made the right first step...I think he learned a lesson from this and he will make the right choice.
I like the old GA and alums idea. I said Chip Taylor, a ga on the 2003 team, on the other thread but I don't see how MLB doesn't call Brandon Sturman at Aurora (also 2003). I heard Sam Benardi is still in Valpo too.
I think MLB knows how to hire a coach. Example numero uno: Tracey Woodson. What he did with the baseball program was simply amazing. Now you need the football version.
Quote from: VUOR63 on November 12, 2013, 10:26:40 PMI think MLB knows how to hire a coach. Example numero uno: Tracey Woodson. What he did with the baseball program was simply amazing. Now you need the football version.
ML (we have an ml and ml2 on the board, not so sure about major league baseball) has done a great job as AD, and needs to be commended for his work. Baseball, golf, soccer, softball, volleyball and bowling are just examples of what the AD and the department have accomplished in the last few years. I trust his judgement in selecting a new coach and leader for football.
First post... here is a very good coach. He is a NAIA Trinity International in Chicago. Look at his assistants... so NFL experience.
Kirk Wherritt
Before taking over as head coach of the Trojans, Wherritt's football career began as a student at Wisconsin-Milwaukee, when he began as a volunteer assistant and equipment manager for nearby Wisconsin Lutheran College, in 2002. After graduating, Wherritt joined the coaching staff at the University of Utah, where he worked during the undefeated season of 2004. That season, the mid-major Utes earned a trip to a BCS bowl, earning a victory in the Fiesta Bowl. Wherrit assisted with quaterbacks coach Dan Mullen, and worked with Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith during his collegiate career. Wherritt gained valuable experience working alongside a number of NCAA Division I head coaches, including Mullen (now at Mississippi State), Urban Meyer (Ohio State), Gary Anderson (Wisconsin), Mike Sanford (Indiana State), and Kyle Whittingham, who is currently the head coach at Utah.
Quote from: Chip Smith on November 12, 2013, 12:57:50 PMTwo Region Guys that are in college coaching
Quote from: VUOR63 on November 12, 2013, 10:26:40 PMI like the old GA and alums idea.
Getting someone that played or coached at Valpo or is from 'da Region', would bring someone with some skin in the game. They would be returning 'home' to right the ship, so to speak. Especially if they have the pedigree to use the Valpo position as a stepping stone to something bigger.
When Purdue hired Tiller, after 16 years of mediocrity, he was a former Purdue assistant that righted the program - taking a 3-8 team and going 9-3. In the first season, Jim Colletto (the previous Purdue HC and then ND Offensive Coordinator) said after Purdue beat ND: "See, we didn't leave the cupboard bare", trying to take credit for Tillers success.
Speaking of Purdue, what about Danny Hope for Valpo?
Quote from: covufan on November 13, 2013, 11:33:10 AMML (we have an ml and ml2 on the board, not so sure about major league baseball) has done a great job as AD, and needs to be commended for his work. Baseball, golf, soccer, softball, volleyball and bowling are just examples of what the AD and the department have accomplished in the last few years. I trust his judgement in selecting a new coach and leader for football.
I guess I like being negative today but ML and his search committee picked Carlson too. Football operates under a different mindset then the rest of the athletic dept when it comes to financing that program and that is exactly what many posters have stated that they think should change. If the school doesn't make a new kind of commitment to football
nobody can win at Valpo.
Anyone else agree?
I will say this: it will be very, very difficult to win at Valparaiso University as long as Brown Field is the worst facility in the PFL. We need a new stadium. I've said this before on this board, but other schools have done it. Albion College up in Michigan several years ago got tired of playing its home games at a local high school (!). They raised the money and built a new stadium for around 6.5 million. It looks terrific.
Paul
Compared to these other schools, is Valpo strapped for cash?
Or do we not care about football? Should Valpo adequately commit funds and energy to make this program respectable? MLB and the administration needs to have a reality check - either you support football as needed, or bag it.
BTW, I think MLB at the end will do the right thing. I am sure he has learned from the Carlson hiring.
Nobody can justify spending millions on a new football stadium before the ARC is replaced or upgraded. You cant spend millions on a team that doesn't win and isn't popular and not the basketball team that does win and is very popular.
I spoke with Mark. The biggest lesson he has learned, as we also concluded as members of this board, is that there is a big difference between starting a program from scratch and turning a program around. He most certainly will factor that into the search.
I'm a facilities biggot, but I agree with a3uge. Until we are a competitive football program again, the rebuiling of the stands has to wait. If what has been posted about the track finally going in is correct, that will improve the general atmosphere greatly. Other cosmetic improvements (like a first rate permanent fence around the complex, nice landscaping, etc.) would also help and not bankrupt the school.
Given the nepotism mindset at Valpo a concern of mine and of many 50's graduates is that we not go that route again. Does anyone know whether ML.the "Heck" or the Drews have relatives that are football coaches?
Like I said, the is not just money or facilities but the energy and attention that is needed to make this football program work.
I agree that money and energy spent on strengths and making them stronger is the right stategy. Thus, improving the ARC is a priority. I would expand it on the North end and make it a 7000 seat facility. Also, improve concessions and sell beer at games.
??? The Football website no longer has Carlson as Coach. Mike Gravier is positioned as interim coach.
She was saying to get rid of the comment that he was relieved of his duties.
I won't comment on the other portion of Laura's post, as you can tell she is related to a player, and I have made my views known about players vs. coaching and responsibility for losing.
I'd guess one reason Dale was let go before the last game, was so the focus would be on the Srs and not when the coach was going to be let go.
Additionally, there was no video preview as in past weeks and normally the pregame article doesn't get released until elate Thursday/early Friday. Let's face it, Carlson's removal was big news in the early portion of the week. I'm confident the spotlight will return to the kids as the game approaches.
Quote from: chef on November 14, 2013, 01:46:48 PMI'd guess one reason Dale was let go before the last game, was so the focus would be on the Srs and not when the coach was going to be let go.
chef, I agree, I also think this was a strong statement by MLB that they want stakeholders to know there is a deficiency and changes are required.
Quote from: setshot on November 14, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
Given the nepotism mindset at Valpo a concern of mine and of many 50's graduates is that we not go that route again. Does anyone know whether ML.the "Heck" or the Drews have relatives that are football coaches?
Please explain why the experience has been so negative. Since you are an esteemed graduate who is putting your money into the program I would seriously weigh your answer.
I've never understood setshot's nepotism comments outside of the Drews, either. I would like to hear about any past instances outside of that, as it seems like it may have happened a few times before?
ML, ML2?
other than that i got nuthin
Quote from: valpotx on November 14, 2013, 03:35:03 PM
I've never understood setshot's nepotism comments outside of the Drews, either. I would like to hear about any past instances outside of that, as it seems like it may have happened a few times before?
Quote from: bbtds on November 14, 2013, 03:22:21 PM
Quote from: setshot on November 14, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
Given the nepotism mindset at Valpo a concern of mine and of many 50's graduates is that we not go that route again. Does anyone know whether ML.the "Heck" or the Drews have relatives that are football coaches?
Please explain why the experience has been so negative. Since you are an esteemed graduate who is putting your money into the program I would seriously weigh your answer.
:troll: There won't be a response. Setshot is just trying to draw attention to himself.
Quote from: bbtds on November 14, 2013, 03:22:21 PM
Quote from: setshot on November 14, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
Given the nepotism mindset at Valpo a concern of mine and of many 50's graduates is that we not go that route again. Does anyone know whether ML.the "Heck" or the Drews have relatives that are football coaches?
Please explain why the experience has been so negative. Since you are an esteemed graduate who is putting your money into the program I would seriously weigh your answer.
Quote from: valpotx on November 14, 2013, 03:35:03 PM
I've never understood setshot's nepotism comments outside of the Drews, either. I would like to hear about any past instances outside of that, as it seems like it may have happened a few times before?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 14, 2013, 03:46:10 PM
ML, ML2?
other than that i got nuthin
I've never understood setshot and his nepotism charges. I understand his concern, especially with ml and ml2, and with President Heckler and his daughter on staff. With the Drews, I firmly believe that both Scott and Bryce were well qualified candidates, and have proven themselves so. I know nothing on the other hirings, but from what I remember reading, both seemed well qualified.
Setshot and the nepotism charges appear, at least to me, to be prior to Scott Drew being hired. My only guess is that during his or his wife's career, they had an opportunity to apply for a Valpo job, but that it went to an underqualified candidate with family in high places. This is only a guess, but it appears to be more personal than just a few hirings in the last 10 years. Again, just speculating.
Setshot is an ardent supporter of VU and VU Athletics. For this I give him much credit and thanks.
Quote from: historyman on November 14, 2013, 06:56:59 AM
Quote from: covufan on November 13, 2013, 11:33:10 AMML (we have an ml and ml2 on the board, not so sure about major league baseball) has done a great job as AD, and needs to be commended for his work. Baseball, golf, soccer, softball, volleyball and bowling are just examples of what the AD and the department have accomplished in the last few years. I trust his judgement in selecting a new coach and leader for football.
I guess I like being negative today but ML and his search committee picked Carlson too. Football operates under a different mindset then the rest of the athletic dept when it comes to financing that program and that is exactly what many posters have stated that they think should change. If the school doesn't make a new kind of commitment to football nobody can win at Valpo.
Anyone else agree?
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 14, 2013, 08:30:32 AM
Compared to these other schools, is Valpo strapped for cash?
Or do we not care about football? Should Valpo adequately commit funds and energy to make this program respectable? MLB and the administration needs to have a reality check - either you support football as needed, or bag it.
BTW, I think MLB at the end will do the right thing. I am sure he has learned from the Carlson hiring.
Since I also volunteer in a non coaching capacity with the Concordia Lutheran High School football team I am on the Gridirondigest (http://gridirondigest.net/index.php?/topic/2852-carlson-is-out-as-valpo-coach/#entry52091) forum which has a Carlson is out as Valpo Coach thread. on that thread someone from Indianapolis by the name of Trojettes posted the following:QuoteAs a follow up to my previous post......these are the amounts the following FCS schools spent as part of their football budget.....including scholarship money......in 2012.......Butler gets a lot of bang for their buck as their head coach does a very good job with limited financial resources.
Valpo spends 230k more than Butler.....they may want to spend their money more wisely. Butler is at the bottom of the FCS schools by the way.
#1 Montana State MT $8,777,441
110 University of San Diego CA $1,269,465
111 Campbell University NC $1,143,155
112 Jacksonville University FL $1,126,146
113 Mississippi Valley State University MS $1,088,097
114 University of Dayton OH $975,237
115 Morehead State University KY $928,306
116 Valparaiso University IN $879,762
117 Drake University IA $876,039
118 Marist College NY $870,416
119 Davidson College NC $790,295
120 Butler University IN $648,837
How accurate this is I have no idea.
Quote from: FWalum on November 14, 2013, 04:51:13 PMHow accurate this is I have no idea.
if so i will now light myself on fire.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 14, 2013, 08:58:37 PMQuote from: FWalum on November 14, 2013, 04:51:13 PMHow accurate this is I have no idea.
if so i will now light myself on fire.
This is interesting information - it would be great to see the details of this and make an apples to apples comparison. If this is close, Valpo has had a systematic problem with its football program that has been ignored for awhile. But as FWAlum mentioned, who knows how this data was gathered.
Nepotism: Setshot does note an odd trend if Heckler's daughter is on staff and ML2 works fairly closely to the AD.
However, I wonder if Setshot also is thinking of the Steinbrecher situation. That did gall me too.
It wasn't true nepotism in the technical sense of employment. But it seemed clear that Valpo was staying in the Mid-Con beyond a period that served its best interests.
Quote from: crusadermoe on November 15, 2013, 07:01:44 AM
Nepotism: Setshot does note an odd trend if Heckler's daughter is on staff and ML2 works fairly closely to the AD.
However, I wonder if Setshot also is thinking of the Steinbrecher situation. That did gall me too.
It wasn't true nepotism in the technical sense of employment. But it seemed clear that Valpo was staying in the Mid-Con beyond a period that served its best interests.
I know this can be a touchy subject nepotism can be a difficult thing for both sides (spoken as a son who worked in his medium sized family business for a fairly long period of time), but I would just ask if any of you have met these young people? I have had some interaction with ML2 and just wanted to say that IMHO I think we are lucky to have him at VU.
I took myself up on my own invitation and I've added another attribute.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 12, 2013, 12:34:20 PM
Shopping List (not necessarily in priority order - don't have the time):
> Enthusiastic motivator who doesn't need to rely on motivational quotes
> Demands great practice effort of players and coaches
> Has held position as recruiting coordinator; a plus if connections are the central Midwest; bonus if Chicagoland
> Understands and has worked within the limitations of a non-scholarship, need-based financial aid system (D-III or Patriot, Ivy, PFL?)
> Committed to tough defense - adaptable to available talent
> Flexible offense approach that adapts to available talent; values the running game; is not commited to ball control via the pass
> Management experience and skill -can build on off-field gains achieved in past 4 years
> Program builder - can rally financial as well as emotional support to bolster the program
> Willing to recruit the JUCO/Transfer universe in year one to fill talent gaps
> Good person with high integrity
> Able to attract and retain a quality coaching staff
I invite posters to copy my starter list and add to it in their posts.
I gotta say the Steinbrecher nepotism situation was pretty bad. Jon knew how to kiss bum as well as anyone I knew.
...would you say he was the MAC daddy at that?
nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk.
Would you consider Mike and Carin Avery also "nepotism", even though they are husband and wife?
Quote from: valporun on November 15, 2013, 10:24:25 PMWould you consider Mike and Carin Avery also "nepotism", even though they are husband and wife?
If so add Emory and Elsie Bauer to the list
Or the late great Richard and Sue Stonebraker Wienhorst!
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 12, 2013, 12:34:20 PM
Shopping List (not necessarily in priority order - don't have the time):
Enthusiastic motivator who doesn't need to rely on motivational quotes
Demands great practice effort of players and coaches
Has held position as recruiting coordinator; a plus if connections are the central Midwest; bonus if Chicagoland
Understands and has worked within the limitations of a non-scholarship, need-based financial aid system (D-III or Patriot, Ivy, PFL?)
Committed to tough defense - adaptable to available talent
Flexible offense approach that adapts to available talent; values the running game; is not commited to ball control via the pass
Management experience and skill -can build on off-field gains achieved in past 4 years
Program builder - can rally financial as well as emotional support to bolster the program
Willing to recruit the JUCO/Transfer universe in year one to fill talent gaps
Good person with high integrity
I invite posters to copy my starter list and add to it in their posts.
#1. Winner
#2. See #1
Seriously, that's what it's going to take, somebody who wins (see Urban Meyer type) and who's only track record is winning. You must change the culture and eliminate accepting mediocrity. I know awhile ago that ML said to win the Pioneer League every few years. No, the goal should be win it EVERY year. When you get somebody who demands and focuses on results, you will see results. Let's hope they head down that path.
I appreciate the high expectations that are being requested by miracle. To get there, it will take perserverance, smarts, and sweat and it requires time and a plan where we best take advantage of that time. Also, make it fun.
Dictionary definition of Nepotism: favoritism granted in politics or business to relatives regardless of merit.
Within the context of this definition, I think most of us would agree that Bryce reporting to Homer and subsequently replacing him was not an example of nepotism. Bryce was highly qualified to serve as assistant and was a legitimate candidate to become head coach, as evidenced by his record and other results to date. That said, relatives working for relatives is almost always a sticky situation in the workplace. A potential conflict of interest is ever present. Moreover, even if the relationship is above board in every respect, there are always coworkers who like to use it to keep the pot stirred, especially lesser performers who may create an illusion of favoritism in order to justify a bad attitude or deflect blame away from themselves for poor performance. It takes a very mature workforce not to be affected by it.
Bernardi would be a great pick. He knows how to recruit. He has roots to the change from Scholarship to PFL. He could get back the recruiting base in Chicagoland. He was a Championship Defensive Coordinator.
Former VU defensive coordinator Sam Bernardi would be a great choice. He knows VU. He successfully navigated the landscape recruiting / financial aid. His defenses played championship defense. He has successfully recruited Chicagoland. Great choice
in the words of Valpo89, "not happening"
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1559.msg36164#msg36164 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1559.msg36164#msg36164)
Still worth a phone call to see if Sam would consider taking on the challenge
Quote from: Swarm94 on November 16, 2013, 05:34:09 PM
Former VU defensive coordinator Sam Bernardi would be a great choice. He knows VU. He successfully navigated the landscape recruiting / financial aid. His defenses played championship defense. He has successfully recruited Chicagoland. Great choice
Has Sam Bernardi won as head coach at
ANY level?
Highly doubt they would bring back any coaches that were let go in the past. Bernardi quit once, was rehired on Adam's staff and not retained when Carlson was hired. He has not had head coaching experience. Would expect to see new blood with no ties to the current state of the program.
Key characteristic for new coach= willingness to change. Or at least to mix it up. The same few issues prevented wins. And prevented the intangible from developing; team chemistry.
Must have someone who can develop a plan, a theme. Tom Horne was the Head Coach in 1989. He coached the last four years of D2 football. He went 2 -27 -1 in his first three years. The last year in D2 his team won three games. In '93 which was first year in Pioneer they won 5. In '94 they went 7 - 3. They were also the First Pioneer Football league team to schedule a game with an IVY, Yale in Soldier Field ('97 season). Recruiting advantage. Recruited Chicagoland successfully and Lutherans from all over the country
VU needs someone young and hungry to make a mark....Patriot league....IVY....someone who knows how to communicate to players with a record of changing things at a high level and will demand the culture and then facilities change!!! A coach who will bring in a staff that is cohesive and holds players accountable while at the same time instills a mentality of the even thinking that losing is possible is disgraceful. Enough is enough. Why is this message so tied to settling or being in the game? Get some speed and some swag and a smash mouth 'tude that is soooo sorely lacking! DO we really think Marist and Butler and others ran some complex D or exotic plays against VALPO???? NO! They broke down film, saw the same things being done the same way with the same staff and players and went right after it. Its not complicated. We arent facing complex D's ...or the spread O of the HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL 5A - 8A FLA and TX level of speed....[/b] IT CAN BE DONE!
Bluehorseshoe, I agree with absolutely everything you posted - with one exception. Young and hungry. The hungry part I can go with. It is the young part that I am uncomfortable with. The reason I say this is that this job requires a level of maturity and management skill that goes beyond the practice and game field. The number of young, brilliant Xs and Os guys who can whip a program into competitive shape in one year (maybe two) is very small, and they'll be scoffed up by BCS schools faster than you can blink. For that reason, I strongly believe that this unique position (how many D-I football programs, that don't give scholarships, that have sub par facilities, that have lost so many games, can you count on one finger?) requires a person mature enough to have a good resume with a range of experiences and program management skills who is still young enough to be able to understand and communicate with the players. But I guess that begs the definition of "young." My "young" would be late 30's, early 40's. I'd be Ok with that level of experience. This is too complex a problem to be solved by anyone available to us who has less experience. I know this is stereotyping an age group, but, really, it takes time to develop experience.
Watch out asking for young - you may get Lane Kiffin.
Fight on
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 17, 2013, 10:23:10 PMMy "young" would be late 30's, early 40's. I'd be Ok with that level of experience. This is too complex a problem to be solved by anyone available to us who has less experience.
You do mean born after 1964 and before 1978, correct? Or did you mean born in the late 1930's till early 1940's? One man's "young" is another man's "really young." ;)
Yep, talking age not birth year. :)
I think Chip brings up a valid point with Burnett who is at Morehead now. After looking up his resume he definitely has some big time previous experience and lots of FBS contacts he might be able to lure to Valpo. Being at Morehead he would also have a good understanding of the league and it's unique place in college football. Also saw he was at Defiance College for a few years so hes familiar with the non-scholarship philosophy. He's obviously very familiar with recruiting and building a program like he was apart of at Ball State.
Karras would also be a good choice but I don't know if he would be interested.
More from Mike Hutton:
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/23809706-556/mike-hutton-new-valparaiso-coach-has-to-get-players.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/23809706-556/mike-hutton-new-valparaiso-coach-has-to-get-players.html)
Quote from: vu72 on November 18, 2013, 08:55:23 AM
More from Mike Hutton:
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/23809706-556/mike-hutton-new-valparaiso-coach-has-to-get-players.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/23809706-556/mike-hutton-new-valparaiso-coach-has-to-get-players.html)
Mike's article is sort of a duh! piece. His premise is that the most important element is getting good players - implying that the current classes are sub-par. He talks about how the next coach should organize and go about recruiting. He also thinks the PFL still has only 8 teams. ::) Under Carlson, the recruiting budget increased and the staff recruited more heavily than I can remember. The result was at least two good classes (the last two) and a serviceable third class. Have there been any difference makers -- well maybe not quite like Macchi and Giancola, but we've got players like Derbak, Hutson, Hoffman, Grask, Kuramata, Gladney and Green to name a few who could start on any PFL team. The problem was not a dearth of talent, it was (1) the inaccurate evaluation of that talent, (2) not setting up an offense and defense that optimized that talent, and (3) when things started going south, not being flexible enough to adapt both program-wise and during games. Could we use a transfer like Butler's Matt Lancaster right away? You bet. But the 2013 team was a 5 win team if it was only handled right.
But keep stirring the pot, Mike. Valpo needs the reminders.
More errors in his 'research.' The PFL currently has 12 teams, not 8. The 2000 season had 5 teams, not 4. The 2003 season had 9 teams, not 4.
Yeah, I noticed all of them, but thought the 'thinks they still have eight' sufficed to make my point.
I really keyed on the hiring window -- 3-4 weeks. Carlson wasn't hired till January 15th. It then took him a while to assemble a staff and that didn't help either, so he lost a good portion of the recruiting season. Be great if the new guy was on board, has met with each of the players, and has his staff assembled and recruiting by Christmas.
Quote from: covufan on November 27, 2012, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: valpotx on November 27, 2012, 03:28:05 AM
I do have to say that our defense was not good, though I am sure they are good kids. How many passing plays of 30+ or 40+ yards did we give up this year, and how many runs of 40/50+ yards?? Our defense in particular was just so much slower physically than our opponents. You can try to blame it on the plays called, but some of the routes they ran were just straight up the field burning our secondary, or running it right up the middle to watch the Red Sea part...
We gave up 22 scoring plays from scrimage of more than 20 yards (Red Zone). We only scored on 7 such plays. We also gave up 6 return TDs (KR, INT, Fumble) and only had 2 such scores. A defender being in the proper position, but not having the speed to catch someone is recruiting. Our defense being out of position is coaching, in my book at least.
This is from last year. I think if we get the right coaching in here, we can turn this around fairly quick. In 2013 we again gave up 22 scoring plays from scrimage of more than 20 yards. Our offense was able to increase their similar scoring plays to 15! For returns (INT, fumble, KO, punt) we gave up 7 (2 against NDakota) and didn't get any ourselves. If the coaching staff can put the defense in the right position, we can give up far fewer points next year.
Good point on my posting 62...I would say "young" means an up and coming O or D coordinator that is looking to bring in some staff, hire some new staff and recruit very well. The class of 2017 is loaded with good players and I would hate to see some of them leave when most really DID come here to try and turn the VALPO program around. And there are quite a few returning players that will really help. But the loyalty Carlson and others felt to some plays and players planted the seeds for mayhem and mind boggling losses as big plays were missed and TDs given up. You make a mistake on either side of the ball you are pulled, coached, coached again and then maybe sat for the game or a series or more. Players make plays, and we had...? forced fumbles, pick 6's, ran how many reverses, screens in the middle, option passes?? ...each game has 5-6 plays that determine an outcome and build a mindset whereby losing is unacceptable
Just based on reading about Carlson's bumblings, micromanagement and full control over the playbook, I am fully confident things are going to be better and Valpo win at least 2 games next year. MLB will find a better coaching staff in 2014.
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 18, 2013, 07:31:45 PMJust based on reading about Carlson's bumblings, micromanagement and full control over the playbook, I am fully confident things are going to be better and Valpo win at least 2 games next year. MLB will find a better coaching staff in 2014.
I'm excited to see who they bring in here. There was a different atmosphere at the game on Saturday. There was excitement in the stands and on the sidelines, something I had not seen before. We were tied with Dayton with little time left before half and the kids and fans were both into the game. I've seen how Valpo supports competitive teams and look forward to seeing if new leadership can gain the support of the Alumni, students and the community. This could easily be turned around in a couple of years with the right leadership.
This certainly sounds similar tot the USC situation, where any change was better than keeping Kiffin.
As a unioversity, Valpo needs to learn to be more assertive and make changes in a more prompt manner when necessary. Keeping Carlson after the Morehead State game last year was a braindead decision.
Should we warn the new person about the contracts already in place for the Non-Conference games in future years?
Here's the draft schedule I received about a year ago... when the William Jewel game was still not contracted...
2014: @ Western Illinois and Home to St. Joes
2015: @ Eastern Kentucky, @ St. Joes and Home to Sacred Heart
2016: @ Illinois State and @ Sacred Heart
Quote from: talksalot on November 20, 2013, 08:50:26 AM
Should we warn the new person about the contracts already in place for the Non-Conference games in future years?
Here's the draft schedule I received about a year ago... when the William Jewel game was still not contracted...
2014: @ Western Illinois and Home to St. Joes
2015: @ Eastern Kentucky, @ St. Joes and Home to Sacred Heart
2016: @ Illinois State and @ Sacred Heart
I think we can assume an away game at William Jewel next year.
Hopefully our new coach will be fine with the games, and step up to the challenge. Other teams schedule these types of games, and keep it within 21.
Quote from: talksalot on November 20, 2013, 08:50:26 AM
Should we warn the new person about the contracts already in place for the Non-Conference games in future years?
Here's the draft schedule I received about a year ago... when the William Jewel game was still not contracted...
2014: @ Western Illinois and Home to St. Joes
2015: @ Eastern Kentucky, @ St. Joes and Home to Sacred Heart
2016: @ Illinois State and @ Sacred Heart
First thing we schedule a 12th game. Butler and several others in the PFL are playing 12. We need to schedule a home win as an opener if possible.
Secondly we try to replace Western, Eastern and Illinois State if possible. I would think 2014 would be tough but remember we scheduled to play Wagner last year and that fell through for some reason.
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 20, 2013, 12:02:50 PMWe need to schedule a home win as an opener if possible.
Secondly we try to replace Western, Eastern and Illinois State if possible.
Hasn't the last four years taught us anything? You can't schedule a win.
I think WE should stay out of the scheduling arena and leave it to the coaches and AD. Ask the players and former players if they like the Western, Eastern and Illinois State games. We want a coach and players that want these challenges, not shy away from them.
2013 Performance for Backaground:
WIU (MVFC) 4-7 -- Beat Hampton (MEAC -FCS) 42-9, Quincy (D-II) 34-6. Lost to Minnesota 12-29, UNLV 7-38
EKU (OVC) 6-5 -- Beat Morehead 56-24, Robert Morris 38-6. Lost to #8 Louisville 7-44
Illinois State (MVFC) 5-6 -- Lost to Ball State 28-51
And just for grins I looked up Indiana State from the old Indiana Collegiate Conference, and who I'd like to see us developing a regular series with:
1-10 -- Beat Quincy (D-II) 70-7
Lost to Indiana 35-73, Purdue 14-20
Quote from: covufan on November 20, 2013, 01:31:19 PMHasn't the last four years taught us anything? You can't schedule a win.
Let me rephrase.....use the 12th game to schedule a home game that is winnable. If Purdue and IU can schedule Indiana State there is nothing wrong with us scheduling Anderson or Manchester.
Quote from: covufan on November 20, 2013, 01:31:19 PMI think WE should stay out of the scheduling arena and leave it to the coaches and AD. Ask the players and former players if they like the Western, Eastern and Illinois State games. We want a coach and players that want these challenges, not shy away from them.
At some point these games make sense, not that a 0-50 beating at this point does us much good. Just so I understand we can have an opinion on who should coach but not who we should schedule. Thanks for that clarification.
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 20, 2013, 03:16:29 PMLet me rephrase.....use the 12th game to schedule a home game that is winnable. If Purdue and IU can schedule Indiana State there is nothing wrong with us scheduling Anderson or Mancheste
I truly, at this time, believe we could not beat Anderson or Manchester.
Getting on I-69 near Crane Naval base now. Be in Evansville soon.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 20, 2013, 01:33:30 PM1-10 -- Beat Quincy (D-II) 70-7
Lost to Indiana 35-73, Purdue 14-20
If that doesn't speak volumes as to how terrible Purdue is...
I think we have to accept "payday" games such as some of the above.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 20, 2013, 03:33:35 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 20, 2013, 01:33:30 PM1-10 -- Beat Quincy (D-II) 70-7
Lost to Indiana 35-73, Purdue 14-20
If that doesn't speak volumes as to how terrible Purdue is...
I think we have to accept "payday" games such as some of the above.
Agree. Everyone in the PFL takes on at least one pummeling at the beginning of the season. We should not be excused from the whippings. However, I think if at all possible this team needs to open up against a winnable opponent so that going into the drubbing we at least have a game under our belt. Opening up against the UNDs and YSUs is not good. I am also keen on for 2014 adding a 12th game if possible before WIU (if St. Joe's or WJU isn't first).
Who would have thunk that in retrospect we would be looking at a 45-0 loss to WIU in season #1 and saying -- hey, we were pretty competitive in that game. Haven't come even close in the following years.
Quote from: bbtds on November 20, 2013, 03:25:06 PMI truly, at this time, believe we could not beat Anderson or Manchester.
I didn't think so either, but I checked using Massey:
http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=199231&t0=Valparaiso&h=0&s1=199231&t1=Anderson+IN (http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=199231&t0=Valparaiso&h=0&s1=199231&t1=Anderson+IN)
http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=199231&t0=Valparaiso&h=0&s1=199231&t1=Manchester (http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=199231&t0=Valparaiso&h=0&s1=199231&t1=Manchester)
We were expected to beat St. Joe and Wm. Jewell prior to the games, but not by those amounts. I believe that the PFL and Valpo have been upgrading the schedule over the last 4-5 years. I'm not even sure if we can schedule a Div. III or NAIA team anymore. Can anyone comment on what level teams we allowed to schedule within PFL guidelines?
Quote from: bbtds on November 20, 2013, 03:25:06 PMGetting on I-69 near Crane Naval base now.
Was a Crane employee for 22 years, working there for 15 of those years. I know the northern part (Crane and North) of your route very well. They've been talking about I-69 down to Evansville for nearly 30 years - glad to see it is finally happening.
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 20, 2013, 03:16:29 PMLet me rephrase.....use the 12th game to schedule a home game that is winnable. If Purdue and IU can schedule Indiana State there is nothing wrong with us scheduling Anderson or Manchester.
Supposedly had two of those this year. Carlson was 0 fer all the less than Div. I games schedule in his time here. Someone said it best earlier this year - we should only schedule Campbell.
By my calculations over the last 20 seasons, we've played 216 games. Of those, 206 were winnable - against same level teams or lower. Only ten - North Dakota, YSU twice, WIU, S. Dakota St., N. Dakota St., Tenn. Tech, S. Fla, and Yale twice. I included Yale even though, in my opinion, they should be on the same level as Valpo. I guess I don't know what kind of game is winnable anymore. Valpo and the PFL have been upgrading the schedule of the last several years. I'm not even sure if we can schedule a Div. III or NAIA school anymore. I sure would not have wanted to play Marian (NAIA, I beleive) either of the previous two seasons, especially with the state of our team.
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 20, 2013, 03:16:29 PMAt some point these games make sense, not that a 0-50 beating at this point does us much good. Just so I understand we can have an opinion on who should coach but not who we should schedule. Thanks for that clarification.
I think these games are here to stay. These games always do u$ good, they provide expo$ure and give the coaching $taff and player$ a challenge. We always need a challenge. We've been lowering our expectations of the football team too much over the last 40 years, where a 35-40% win rate is considered good and expected. We need to challenge, not shy away.
Yes, we can differ in opinion, but lowering our expectations is a slippery slope.
Quote from: bbtds on November 20, 2013, 03:25:06 PM
I truly, at this time, believe we could not beat Anderson or Manchester.
Yes we could have beaten these two.
As it stands right now I do not think there are scheduling guidelines. Butler played 2 DIII teams this year. Two that would have beaten us but DIII.
One of Butler's wins over a D3 school was Wittenberg. Witt,9-1, plays Lebanon Valley in the first round of the D3 playoffs. The winner goes on to play the winner of the Mt. Union - Washington Jefferson game. I look for both Witt and Mount Union to win and face each other in the second round. If so, I'll pick Witt to upset the Union. Also playing are Johns Hopkins and one of the Concordia's. Go Tigers and Blue Jays. Too bad Valpo can't play at this level.
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 20, 2013, 12:02:50 PMremember we scheduled to play Wagner last year and that fell through for some reason.
Yeh, Wagner (Staten Island, NY) got a contract with Syracuse in the Dome...that's a no brainer for them! (Final: ORANGE 54, WAGNER 0)
The games against fully funded FCS programs like ND or YSU are validation for the players of why they chose Valpo (a FCS program). Sure, you could play D-III programs or D-II programs but these guys didn't sign up to play that kind of football. They signed up to make a D-I commitment and therefore should get to play D-I competition. The D-I aspect of Valpo was why I chose the school in the early 00s--the commitment to the team was significantly more than a D-III school.
By the way, I find it troubling we haven't heard anything about a new coach. Typically if you part ways with a head coach, you have some options in mind to replace him. Hopefully MLB started the search in October and not after Carlson left.
I think Jeff Sokol at Rose Hulman is worth a look. Ten years as offensive coordinator and recruiting coordinator at the University of Chicago. Should be able to recruit Chicago.
Quote from: VUOR63 on November 21, 2013, 09:36:35 AMThe games against fully funded FCS programs like ND or YSU are validation for the players of why they chose Valpo (a FCS program). Sure, you could play D-III programs or D-II programs but these guys didn't sign up to play that kind of football. They signed up to make a D-I commitment and therefore should get to play D-I competition. The D-I aspect of Valpo was why I chose the school in the early 00s--the commitment to the team was significantly more than a D-III school.
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Thank you! This is what I've been saying. If Valpo is committed to FCS, we need to be in FCS fully, not just for PFL games. We want players and coaches that want that challenge against other FCS teams, fully funded, non-scholarship, Ivy, whatever. We have games like St. Joe because they are close and we've had a football relationship for decades. The problem appears to be that the Valpo administration has not been fully committed to football for 35-40 years. We need change in all facets of football. Open up dialogue with former players would be something I think would only be a win-win situation.
Hopefully, we'll something soon on the new coach. My gut feel is that if we don't hear anything before finals, some of the players will be looking to transfer sooner rather than wait and see.
I've been keeping up with this post and the only 3 names that have really made sense. 1- Ted Karras 2- Phil Burnett 3 - Jeff Sokol.
Everyone knows Karras and Burnett are from the region. All 3 have probably recruited Chicago.
So I just received Mark LaBarbera's quarterly update for Crusader Fund participants, which I know all of you have also received as well. For those of you who maintain that 1. No one of quality would take the head coaching job because the pay is so low or 2. we can't recruit because we aren't comitting the funds to same or 3. We can't attract talented asst. coaches for see 1. above, please read the following from Mark and then admit you have been speculating, making assumptions based on rumor or have no idea. Pick the one that applies to your posts:
Since our last Pioneer Football League championship in 2003, we have taken significant steps to improve the football program, including:
Over one million dollars in improvements to Brown Field, consisting of a new artificial SportTurf field, a new scoreboard and lights for our first ever night home games.
Increased head coach, and overall coaching staff salaries to be in the upper half of the conference.
Increased travel budget to support regular cross-country trips and for the first time this year the use of a chartered flight.
Improved weight room access and increased time with the department's full time strength and conditioning coach.
Increased budget for recruiting prospective student-athletes.
Streaming multiple home games per year over the internet so that Valpo fans can watch games from anywhere in the world.
Quote from: vu72 on November 27, 2013, 08:28:22 PM
So I just received Mark LaBarbera's quarterly update for Crusader Fund participants, which I know all of you have also received as well. For those of you who maintain that 1. No one of quality would take the head coaching job because the pay is so low or 2. we can't recruit because we aren't committing the funds to same or 3. We can't attract talented asst. coaches for see 1. above, please read the following from Mark and then admit you have been speculating, making assumptions based on rumor or have no idea. Pick the one that applies to your posts:
Since our last Pioneer Football League championship in 2003, we have taken significant steps to improve the football program, including:
Over one million dollars in improvements to Brown Field, consisting of a new artificial SportTurf field, a new scoreboard and lights for our first ever night home games.
Increased head coach, and overall coaching staff salaries to be in the upper half of the conference.
Increased travel budget to support regular cross-country trips and for the first time this year the use of a chartered flight.
Improved weight room access and increased time with the department's full time strength and conditioning coach.
Increased budget for recruiting prospective student-athletes.
Streaming multiple home games per year over the internet so that Valpo fans can watch games from anywhere in the world.
Thanks 72. ML's summary is consistent with what I have observed and my communications with him and Carlson over the last three years. The salaries and operational budget lines are positive improvements. So what does that leave us to conclude? How about:
$1 million was not enough invested on facilities - Brown Field and weight and locker room? Nah. It helps to have a great facilities complex, but ya win it on the field.
Lack of talent? Possibly, but really? We've had some good kids commit each year with resumes that would put them on other more competitive teams
The HFBC? The overall approach to the talent and the game philosophy are huge keys to success. After 4 seasons I think it comes down to this.
I wish ML all the luck in the world in coming up with that key hire. Other schools have found good men to lead their programs. Valpo can too.
Here's another quote from ML's summary on the HFBC search:
"We have received strong interest in the job, both from individuals reaching out to us and by several candidates that I am proactively recruiting to apply for the position. I am confident we will find the right person to lead the program. After that person is hired I will work directly with him to determine what other steps we need to take to set up our football program for both academic AND competitive success."
I am particularly heartened by the two phrases I put in bold. The other positive observation I had was on the proportion of space devoted to the football program and the search for the new coach. Unless we go through another 4 year spell like the last, I do not have any concerns about the viability of football at VU on a continuing basis.
Rumor has it that some candidates will be on campus this week. Any ideas on who it might be?
If ML is at the visit stage it must be down to a handful (3?). Been checking the VU site daily for news. Quiet so far. Need to get it done before the team leaves for Christmas.
Quote from: T_$ on December 03, 2013, 10:00:39 AM
Rumor has it that some candidates will be on campus this week. Any ideas on who it might be?
Do we have anyone at the airport to see who is coming off those private planes?
I guess the only way we would hear anything would be if any players are able to get any info.
Don't think this has been posted yet. Here is an interview with great comments from Mark LaBarbera in the recently released alumni news e-mail:
http://alumni.valpo.edu/s/1347/index.aspx?sid=1347&gid=1&pgid=252&cid=2271&ecid=2271&crid=0&calpgid=15&calcid=752 (http://alumni.valpo.edu/s/1347/index.aspx?sid=1347&gid=1&pgid=252&cid=2271&ecid=2271&crid=0&calpgid=15&calcid=752)
Quote from: covufan on December 03, 2013, 12:06:46 PMRumor has it that some candidates will be on campus this week. Any ideas on who it might be? Do we have anyone at the airport to see who is coming off those private planes?
I wouldn't waste time scouting out the airport...considering the university's commitment to football, I'd expect the coaching candidates to be traveling stand-by via MegaBus.
Quote from: vu72 on December 03, 2013, 09:29:54 PM
Don't think this has been posted yet. Here is an interview with great comments from Mark LaBarbera in the recently released alumni news e-mail:
http://alumni.valpo.edu/s/1347/index.aspx?sid=1347&gid=1&pgid=252&cid=2271&ecid=2271&crid=0&calpgid=15&calcid=752 (http://alumni.valpo.edu/s/1347/index.aspx?sid=1347&gid=1&pgid=252&cid=2271&ecid=2271&crid=0&calpgid=15&calcid=752)
Good clip 72 - Thanks. While a restatement of things ML has said on a number of previous occasions, the repetition in as many different settings as possible is important to reinforce the position. It really does hinge on the man they select and the staff he assembles. The other stuff is secondary. We can only hope the next HFBC meets the challenge.
I hope they are walking the walk on their committment to football at Valpo. Their actions in the past 15 months, until recently, have not shown that. Carlson obviously should have been fired at the end of 2012, and quite honestly MLB and the adminstration failed on the handling of this. MLB provided a good vision; and he and the administration need to follow through. They need to select and interview carefully.
Some search-related information:
MLB has reached out to all FB alumni and sent a questionnaire asking, in general, what do they want to see reflected in the VU football program. Good move to encourage positive input and more importantly, re-engagement, in the program. In addition, one of the key jobs the new HFBC will have and be evaluated on is fostering and expanding contact with and involvement of FB alums.
I am encouraged by MLB's statements about the head coach search and think contacting the football alumni is a great move. I was skeptical about Valpo's commitment to football but have changed my opinion since Carlson's release. MLB and the administration seem to be making the right moves and hopefully with the right hire will make Valpo football competitive again.
After seeing David Shaw's post game interview last night after Stanford's beat down of ASU, I can't help but wonder if our AD should reach out to that program to see if there's someone you can pick off of that coaching tree. Valpo finds themselves in a similar situation as Stanford was in when they went 1-11 in 2006: poor coaching, recruiting issues, frustrated alumni, etc. A position coach from there would be an awesome option--someone who can bring that attitudinal adjustment to our program. Tavita Pritchard comes to mind (a QB who was an integral part of the turnaround both as a player and a coach).
Quote from: VUOR63 on December 08, 2013, 08:06:34 AMAfter seeing David Shaw's post game interview last night after Stanford's beat down of ASU, I can't help but wonder if our AD should reach out to that program to see if there's someone you can pick off of that coaching tree. Valpo finds themselves in a similar situation as Stanford was in when they went 1-11 in 2006: poor coaching, recruiting issues, frustrated alumni, etc. A position coach from there would be an awesome option--someone who can bring that attitudinal adjustment to our program. Tavita Pritchard comes to mind (a QB who was an integral part of the turnaround both as a player and a coach).
I was thinking the same thing. Stanford has been a model program since Harbaugh took over and is doing it in an academic environment significantly more rigorous than Valpo. I believe I remember David Shaw once saying that in the average year there are only 320 (+/-) recruits nationally that are even worth contacting given Stanford's academic and athletic requirements...the university has done an outstanding job on hitting on those players recently.
When looking at their football site, one name stood out on the Cardinal Staff: Lance Anderson (http://www.gostanford.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=749929&SPID=127013&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=30600&ATCLID=208167723&Q_SEASON=2013 (http://www.gostanford.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=749929&SPID=127013&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=30600&ATCLID=208167723&Q_SEASON=2013)). He is currently coaching linebackers and is the team's "admissions liason," coming to the program with Jim Harbaugh from San Diego, where he served as recruiting coordinator. He held the same position for several years at Bucknell, another non-scholarship program. I like that the bulk of his experience is on the defensive side of the ball, especially considering what we've seen for the last several years.
The biggest problem with Anderson is that he lacks any significant play calling experience (2 years at St. Mary's a decade ago). He also doesn't have any experience recruiting the Chicago area. Both of these problems can be addressed with good assistant hires. Considering the impressive results that the Harbaugh-Shaw coaching tree is already showing, I'd definitely be willing to take a gamble on one.
Quote from: Dave_2010 on December 08, 2013, 11:44:36 AMWhen looking at their football site, one name stood out on the Cardinal Staff: Lance Anderson (http://www.gostanford.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=749929&SPID=127013&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=30600&ATCLID=208167723&Q_SEASON=2013 (http://www.gostanford.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=749929&SPID=127013&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=30600&ATCLID=208167723&Q_SEASON=2013)). He is currently coaching linebackers and is the team's "admissions liason," coming to the program with Jim Harbaugh from San Diego, where he served as recruiting coordinator. He held the same position for several years at Bucknell, another non-scholarship program. I like that the bulk of his experience is on the defensive side of the ball, especially considering what we've seen for the last several years.
The real question, and I don't know the answer, is whether Valpo is offering enough in incentives for these kind of coaches to choose Valpo. Is Valpo truly trying to recruit a coach of this quality?
Quote from: historyman on December 08, 2013, 11:52:39 AMThe real question, and I don't know the answer, is whether Valpo is offering enough in incentives for these kind of coaches to choose Valpo.
Exactly. I bet he's making more money there already.
Great researching, Dave.
But if Valpo can match the $$ and provide a HFBC slot on his resume we may have a chance (Providing he is not in line for a HFBC position at Stanford or somewhere else.). We need to at least relay this guy's name to MLB. Because he was at USD, he knows what to do to get the kids we need. As HFBC, he doesn't have to call the plays/defenses -- his OC and DC do that.
The fact that Harbaugh went from USD to Stanford to the 49ers and this guy was a part of some of that bodes well for a VU interview.
NOTE -- I emailed MLB.
Guys, it's too late to be relaying any new names to ML. I think they have narrowed the field to three or so candidates, they flew 'em in here to talk and have a look around, and I think they want to announce their guy sometime before the semester ends -- probably this week. That way the new guy can meet with the individual players and convince 'em to stay.
Paul
The connection to the Stanford turnaround was made. Any interest from that staff would have been relayed to ML.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 08, 2013, 12:34:15 PM
Great researching, Dave.
But if Valpo can match the $$ and provide a HFBC slot on his resume we may have a chance (Providing he is not in line for a HFBC position at Stanford or somewhere else.).
Well, matching the $$ might be tough. Being private, I couldn't find detail on what Stanford is paying their assistant coaches. However, according to this article in the Seattle Times, Washington was paying their linebacker coach $250K, and Washington State was paying their Outside linebacker coach $156K
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Is Valpo prepared to offer more than that to be the HFC?
I have no idea what the Stanford assistant's make but having a Stanford guy on Valpo's athletic pay roll is nothing new: Matt Lottich is an assistant for the basketball team. As was previously noted, it is late in the process and I hope we get the right guy. Thanks for the discussion!
Quote from: valpo95 on December 08, 2013, 08:39:07 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 08, 2013, 12:34:15 PM
Great researching, Dave.
But if Valpo can match the $$ and provide a HFBC slot on his resume we may have a chance (Providing he is not in line for a HFBC position at Stanford or somewhere else.).
Well, matching the $$ might be tough. Being private, I couldn't find detail on what Stanford is paying their assistant coaches. However, according to this article in the Seattle Times, Washington was paying their linebacker coach $250K, and Washington State was paying their Outside linebacker coach $156K
[url=http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2022321329_coachespayxml.html]http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2022321329_coachespayxml.html (http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2022321329_coachespayxml.html) [/url]
Is Valpo prepared to offer more than that to be the HFC?
I understand that the candidate door is never closed until a guy is signed. Who knows.
Stanford's coaches make around the median in the Pac12, so I would guess that would be in the $200K range. They were near the bottom salary wise before Harbaugh arrived, which is really sad consdering the very high cost of living in the Palo Alto - San Jose area.
I highly doubt Valpo will not even come close to paying a football coach close to the $200K range.