Back by unpopular demand.
Introducing FLAMEQUEST 2014: The Quest To Be the Worst Team In Horizon League History Or At Least Hopefully Better Than Milwaukee Last Year. Throughout the conference season we'll all be watching to find whether or not UIC can at least be the best—at being the worst. You may have thought Milwaukee was absolutely wretched last year (and they were), but at least they won amidst the many beatings they absorbed. No, to be truly the worst, UIC has to lose ALL their games just to tie 2003-04 Cleveland State (0-16).
The Horizon League has also never had a team with RPI below 2004-05 Youngstown St (321 out of 327, or 1.8 percentile). UIC is 293/349, or 16th percentile—losing out would leave them 324/349, or 7.2% (RealTimeRPI says they are 294 now...).
Third: in conference play, 2004-05 YSU was outscored by 13.2 ppg; RPI Forecast has UIC on track to be outscored by 8.2 ppg (currently losing by only 8.7 ppg). Can they pull off the Pu Pu Platter, the Trifecta of Awful?
Doesn't look promising, since they're not quite as gawdoffal as UWM last year, but they've set the barlow and keep underwhelming...ladies and gentlemen, your 2014 HL UIC FLAMES!
As of 1/23/14
Record: 0-6
RPI: 294
Scoring margin: -8.6
NEXT GAME: @ OAK
CHANCE OF WINNING: 21%
MARGIN: 9
Thing they are like: A great big rock teetering precariously on the precipice of a mountain. The mountain's name is Mt. Awfuldom.
(http://images.everytrail.com/pics/fullsize/2588380-Pre-O_To_Acadia_on_Bikes_33.jpg)
Should have picked up a win at Oakland. Mundy made a 3pt at the buzzer to steal the game. The crowd storms the floor for the victory over last place UIC. Poor UIC. The wheels may fall off.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 25, 2014, 03:08:57 PM
Should have picked up a win at Oakland. Mundy made a 3pt at the buzzer to steal the game. The crowd storms the floor for the victory over last place UIC. Poor UIC. The wheels may fall off.
What are they, Indiana? Wtf.
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I think this guarantees that UIC will win several games. Every time you start to take pleasure in pointing out that a team is so bad that they will be god awful and start poking fun at them they seem to do better. When Aaron of Milw was teased for having one of the poorest shooting % in the HL he was the second leading scorer on the Panthers against Valpo. When you made fun of how poorly Milw did last year they won a few games against teams that played a game even more poorly than the Panthers. When Wright St was teased about having a poor out of conference schedule and record the conference season started and they started winning games (which was most likely due to the way the officiating called their games). So if we really want to make sure Valpo turns their season into a great one by playing up to their potential maybe we should have Apostle start making fun of them for possibly being one of the worst Valpo teams in many years.
we are one of the worst valpo teams in recent years. since 2009-10 and maybe 08-09.
and jordan aaron still blows.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 25, 2014, 05:46:24 PMwe are one of the worst valpo teams in recent years. since 2009-10 and maybe 08-09. and jordan aaron still blows.
That's it. Now Valpo is sure to knock off Green Bay on Wednesday. ;D
I do what I can.
UIC fan here. Nice thread. Thanks. I know we suck. Our coach is in way over his head, etc., etc.
Let's look at the big picture. Do you think that the Horizon League is happy that its largest market team is the laughing stock of the league? I know everyone has to root for their team, but I think having a good Chicago team would benefit everyone. JMHO.
Quote from: circle70 on January 25, 2014, 07:58:41 PM
UIC fan here. Nice thread. Thanks. I know we suck. Our coach is in way over his head, etc., etc.
Let's look at the big picture. Do you think that the Horizon League is happy that its largest market team is the laughing stock of the league? I know everyone has to root for their team, but I think having a good Chicago team would benefit everyone. JMHO.
Welcome to the board, circle70. UIC has a ton of advantages that we at Valpo don't have. Chicago is an attraction in itself. My daughter lived in Lakeview for several years. We loved coming to the City and going places, jogging along the lakeshore, enjoying all the great eateries, etc. It's a fun and exciting place to be, especially for young people. I've been to UIC several times - nice campus, nice bb venue, good academics and choices of majors, literally hundreds of thousands of alumni for networking, etc., etc. For the life of me I can't understand how all these advantages don't translate into a recruiting advantage.
Hey, man, I'm just trying to help you out.
After all, Milwaukee was historically bad last year, even worse than you promise to be, I singled them out, and now this year, voilá! Mediocrity.
BTW, what did Hayden Humes do to make Coach hate him this year?
Maybe should've started this thread next Weekend after we play them. :-X
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 25, 2014, 08:45:54 PM
Hey, man, I'm just trying to help you out.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 25, 2014, 08:45:54 PMBTW, what did Hayden Humes do to make Coach hate him this year?
Just playing poorly. After averaging 8.2 and 10.3 ppg his first 2 years at UIC, he is down to 6.9 this year and not providing the senior leadership that Moore hoped he would get out of Humes. Btw, he didn't play yesterday due to an eye injury---out 2-4 weeks.
Nah, sorry, don't buy that. of COURSE he's averaging fewer PPG--he's getting fewer minutes! (The same minutes he got freshman year at Toledo. Where he transferred from.)
he didn't suddenly forget how to play. I'd surmise part of his decrease in shooting % would be the yo-yoing he's getting in the lineup.
Bat-signal for HC--if you have time to crunch PPS numbers for Humes? I'd be forever grateful.
One possibility is the "new rules" may have hurt his game--his fouls are WAY up.
LPAA:
I know you reached out to HC for this info., but you got my curiosity going so I did some research.
I calculated Humes' PPS (points per shot) by taking total points scored, including free throws, divided by total FG attempts.
These are the stats for his 3 years at UIC (newest to oldest): 1.14, 1.24, 1.29
Other stats for his 3 years (same order):
FG%: .397, .473, .448
3-PT FG%: .353, .400, .418
Minutes per game: 26.2, 33.2, 30.8 (supports your argument about reduced playing time)
What has always amazed me about Humes is his timidness (or lack of aggressiveness, if you prefer). In 524 minutes of playing time this year, he has been to the FT line only 23 times!!! Isn't that a tad low for a 6' 8" power forward?
Just curious, why the interest in Hayden?
Quote from: circle70 on January 26, 2014, 03:30:16 PMJust curious, why the interest in Hayden?
You forgot what high school Humes attended. Actually he went to the same HS as Apostle, I believe. Humes was down the road in one of the elementary schools or with his mommy when Bryce Drew announced he was going to Valpo U and Apostle was hiding in one of the band rooms next door.
Points Per Shot...that's cute. If school gets cancelled for tomorrow I will run PPS for Mr. Humes tonight. I've personally never found him to be very good, we will see though just how productive he actually is.
Quote from: historyman on January 26, 2014, 04:17:08 PMHumes was still in utero with his mommy when Bryce Drew announced he was going to Valpo U
fixed it for you.
Circle, I used to think PPS was points per shot, but our HC has his own special proprietary formula that should take into account minutes played to give a balanced picture, or to be able to compare disparate years.
I think he's a good kid--not really rough like you'd want down low, hence the low FT rate (converts at a high rate, thanks Valpo Free Throw
TM) but yeah.
Here ya go:
2013-2014 so far he is scoring a productivity score of .2786
2012-2013 he scored out at .4257
Last years score is probably at the lower end of average for a HL starter. Now knowing that, this year he just isn't producing anyone positive for his team.
If you need something to compare these to click here, http://cbbpps.wordpress.com/valpo-pps-2012-2013/. (http://cbbpps.wordpress.com/valpo-pps-2012-2013/.) I last ran these a week or so ago and it's a combination of 2 guys who play the same position. Or you can click around the site and see what guys score out on individual games or see what IU players have done so far.
Another UIC guy, here. Hate to single a college player out for his play but Humes has been a frustrating guy while at UIC. I'm certain he's a really nice guy and good student and I don't want to really rip him but he plays soft and has ever since he's been at UIC. He has the numbers (height) but simply isn't physical or an inside threat and won't shoot from distance, either......
I don't know if it's him or his confusion of what he's supposed to do offensively in Moore's offense but he has either been tremendously underutilized or just doesn't get what he's supposed to do. He should be shooting more because he's probably our best 3 guy, like Novak was at Marquette with Wade there. But he doesn't. Why? Haven't a clue. A good foul shooter too but never gets to the line and certainly lacking in rebounding help.....
Everyone has become a spectator when Barlow has the ball.............. Humes included. Movement? What's that?? There's a few disappointed folks in Chicago these days. Glad the Jimmy Collins era ended but unhappy that the change hasn't improved basketball success....... The potential far outweighs the results, I'm afraid...................
This thread is correct. We are a flameout this year for sure and hoping the future's not doused, either.....
Quote from: axaguy on January 29, 2014, 12:02:15 PMplays soft
I know what you mean, but he's hardly alone.
It seems like basketball has caught baseball's disease: "chicks dig the long ball". Now guys that are 6'7, 6'8 and taller think they should be out roaming the perimeter instead of getting their freaking hands dirty and learning to play back to the basket.
NOTE TO TALL NONBELLICOSE TYPES: IF YOU WANT A SPORT WHERE YOU JUST SASHAY AROUND THE PERIMETER ALL DAY, TAKE UP TEAM HANDBALL
So. They stormed the court after beating the Flames?
I hope you're pleased with yourself, Oakland.
Italy didn't storm the court after they obliterated Ethiopia in...um soccer.
Totally not just about to reference either Italo-Ethiopian War. Nope. And not just because soccer doesn't have courts.
(But courts have soccer fans...HEYO HERE ALL WEEK)
As of 1/29/13
Record: 0-8 (2004 CSU 0-16)
(realtime)RPI: 303/349 (bottom 13.2%) (2005 YSU 1.8%)
Avg scoring margin: -7.3 (2005 YSU -13.2 ppg)
BEST CHANCE OF WINNING: 43% vs. Detroit
WORST CHANCE OF WINNING: 5% @ UWGB
THING THEY ARE LIKE: Said rock, beginning to stir.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2ugc687.jpg)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 29, 2014, 09:33:52 PM
So. They stormed the court after beating the Flames?
I hope you're pleased with yourself, Oakland.
Italy didn't storm the court after they obliterated Ethiopia in...um soccer.
Totally not just about to reference either Italo-Ethiopian War. Nope. And not just because soccer doesn't have courts.
(But courts have soccer fans...HEYO HERE ALL WEEK)
As of 1/29/13
Record: 0-8 (2004 CSU 0-16)
(realtime)RPI: 303/349 (bottom 13.2%) (2005 YSU 1.8%)
Avg scoring margin: -7.3 (2005 YSU -13.2 ppg)
BEST CHANCE OF WINNING: 43% vs. Detroit
WORST CHANCE OF WINNING: 5% @ UWGB
THING THEY ARE LIKE: Said rock, beginning to stir.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2ugc687.jpg)
LAA, is this what UIC means when they say, "Get me the rock"?
As Lost and Found, the Lutheran two-man band says, "Stein Auf, UIC"! (Rock On Top Of..)
Not wanting to rub it in too much.
Just wanted rather to commiserate with Flames fans.
You see, it's been 47 days since they've seen a home win (Purdue-Cal).
It's been 319 days since they've seen a home win over a D1 opponent (Chicago St).
And since they don't really count either, it's been 334 days since they've treated people to a real honest good ol' satisfying win over the proverbial worthy opponent. (Cleveland St).
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 01, 2014, 10:08:23 PM
Not wanting to rub it in too much.
Just wanted rather to commiserate with Flames fans.
You see, it's been 47 days since they've seen a home win (Purdue-Cal).
It's been 319 days since they've seen a home win over a D1 opponent (Chicago St).
And since they don't really count either, it's been 334 days since they've treated people to a real honest good ol' satisfying win over the proverbial worthy opponent. (Cleveland St).
Nice stats. Unbelievable.
When watching our game against them. I thought we were a lot better at every position. We simply have better players, everywhere.
Question is, will the flames have a new coach next year?
Will the Flames have a new coach next year? No friggin' way!!!
Our moronic AD (who aggressively applied for, and was rejected, for the Milwaukee job) signed Moore for 3 more years when Moore still had 2 years left on his original contract.
I put a post out on the UIC board when Moore's contract was extended to the effect that you never extend a contract of a mid-major coach if he still has multiple years left. It's a no-win situation. If he does really well, he'll be gone to a high major program. If he craps his pants, like now, the school is on the hook, in this case, for 4 more years after this season. Mid major schools typically don't have the wherewithal to pay these guys off (about $1.6 to $2 million for Moore).
Quote from: circle70 on February 05, 2014, 09:34:53 AMI put a post out on the UIC board when Moore's contract was extended to the effect that you never extend a contract of a mid-major coach if he still has multiple years left.
Good point--almost always true. (I would think Bryce one of the exceptions.)
So 4 or 5 Moore years?!?
Moore is less! etc.
Would have been another buyout of a coach on taxpayer expense. Illinois is still paying Weber, Law, and Zook, and we're tired of it.
UIC down 1 with about 13 minutes to play at Green Bay, c'mon Flames!
7-0 run for GB. Green Bay leads by 7.
Ref went out with an injury. Its a 2-man crew and GB increased the lead to 10 points with 2:30 left.
Quote from: HC on February 05, 2014, 08:23:07 PMUIC down 1 with about 13 minutes to play at Green Bay, c'mon Flames!
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Now that GB is back to full strength and was playing at home, you have to wonder if they are the best team in the Horizon. We pounded UIC on their home court. Are we the best team? We can be but at this point it still depends on which team shows up. It does seem that the mistake prone, very young, still learning to play together squad may slowly be relegated to the bench as the season progresses.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 05, 2014, 08:49:59 PMRef went out with an injury.
Why do bad things follow Brian Wardle around?
...wait don't answer that. especially a3.
Quote from: vu72 on February 06, 2014, 10:38:14 AMNow that GB is back to full strength and was playing at home, you have to wonder if they are the best team in the Horizon. We pounded UIC on their home court. Are we the best team?
I watched most of the second half and was very impressed with their (UIC) play. They were very disciplined, used the clock, didn't turn the ball over and wound up finding decent shots which were going in. Should they continue to play like that I would expect them to come up with 2 or maybe 3 HL wins.
I do not think we are the best team yet but ask me again at the end of the month.
As of 2/10/13
Record: 0-10 (2004 CSU 0-16)
(realtime)RPI: 302/349 (bottom 13.5%) (2005 YSU 1.8%)
Avg scoring margin: -9.4 (2005 YSU -13.2 ppg)
BEST CHANCE OF WINNING: 43% vs. Oakland
WORST CHANCE OF WINNING: 7% @ CSU
THING THEY ARE LIKE: Said rock...beginning to gather moss instead of rolling?!?
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So I decided to look at how bad UIC was and what their RPI would be if they lose out. RPI Wizard (http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/UIC.html) has them finishing with a 324 RPI if they lose out. Ouch but not nearly as bad as 2005 YSU. This has a 14.42% chance of happening.
Another fun thing I thought I'd look at is if they lose out, what their RPI would be with different conference results (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/ct/UIC.html).
Lose out, win conf. championship: (7-25), 278.6 RPI, 0.10% chance of happening
Lose out, lose conf. championship: (6-26), 293.0 RPI, 0.04% chance of happening
Lose out, lose semifinals: (5-26), 308.0 RPI, 0.60% chance of happening
Lose out, win one game: (4-26), 321.0 RPI, 1.80% chance of happening
Lose out, lose their game: (3-26), 328.2 RPI, 11.97% chance of happening
Note the lose out and winning conference championship has the same record as winning 1 game in the regular season and losing in the conference finals, as well as winning 2 games and losing in the semifinals, as well as winning 3 games then winning one game in the tournament as well as winning 4 games and losing their first game. That's why it has a 0.10% chance of happening.
Don't want to start trouble, but if I was the AD at UIC and fired the coach, I would be looking at Roger Powell Jr. from Valpo. He was a great player who played under a great coach. Powell has been in a good program under a good coach. He can recruit the Chicago area.
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Quote from: oklahomamick on February 16, 2014, 08:40:02 AM
Don't want to start trouble, but if I was the AD at UIC and fired the coach, I would be looking at Roger Powell Jr. from Valpo. He was a great player who played under a great coach. Powell has been in a good program under a good coach. He can recruit the Chicago area.
Speaking of helping struggling Chicago basketball programs, DePaul will probably be looking for a new coach soon. I think Bryce would do a great job there. He and Roger could divide the other assts. and hit the ground running. To speed up the rebuilding process they could lure our Illinois players away. I hear our administrative assistant is top notch too.
I was really going to go all apepoopy on you until i read it again.
well done, wh.
*blood pressure slowly returning to normal
Am I missing something here? Would Powell not do a good job at UIC? (heck, he would at least do a better job than current coach). If I'm AD and I can't afford to pay big because I just bought out a contract, I'm looking at a young energetic coach that had success and demonstrated he can recruit Chicago/Illinois. Sounds like Powell to me.
Roger would probably be a good catch for a lot of programs. I was just giving you a hard time for suggesting that the asst. coach of the team you support would be a great choice to head up one of our competitor's programs. Seemed a little unusual but no big deal.
I would highly doubt that Powell would leave for a program like UIC...
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 16, 2014, 02:04:04 PMWould Powell not do a good job at UIC?
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Maybe let's give them the Chapel of the Resurrection too while we're at it
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 16, 2014, 07:38:28 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 16, 2014, 02:04:04 PMWould Powell not do a good job at UIC?
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Maybe let's give them the Chapel of the Resurrection too while we're at it
haha, I like that one.
I'm with you guys. However, he's good. Other universities are going to notice it and come after him. He may or may not be content with an assistant position. The play-by-play announcer for Milwaukee said the same thing about Bryce. Bryce is different as he's from Valpo, played for Valpo, father coached for Valpo and just signed a long term contract. Bryce will not be leaving for Northwestern, Illinois, Tulsa or San Francisco. Rex Walters did and one day Powell may too.
After some success our Valpo soccer program have seen assistant coaches leave the program for higher pay and better opportunities at other DI schools. Has this happened with other successful Valpo programs?
As of 2/17/13
Record: 0-12 (2004 CSU 0-16)
(realtime)RPI: 309/349 (bottom 11.5%) (2005 YSU 1.8%)
Avg scoring margin: -9.8 (2005 YSU -13.2 ppg)
BEST CHANCE OF WINNING: 43% vs. Oakland
WORST CHANCE OF WINNING: 21% @ Milw
THING THEY ARE LIKE: FULL SPEED AHEAD
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BONUS RPI FACTAGE
probability of auto-bid: 0.02%
probability of losing out: 13.53%
rpi if that happens: 329 (bottom 5.7%)
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 16, 2014, 08:24:54 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 16, 2014, 07:38:28 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 16, 2014, 02:04:04 PMWould Powell not do a good job at UIC?
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Maybe let's give them the Chapel of the Resurrection too while we're at it
haha, I like that one.
I'm with you guys. However, he's good. Other universities are going to notice it and come after him. He may or may not be content with an assistant position. The play-by-play announcer for Milwaukee said the same thing about Bryce. Bryce is different as he's from Valpo, played for Valpo, father coached for Valpo and just signed a long term contract. Bryce will not be leaving for Northwestern, Illinois, Tulsa or San Francisco. Rex Walters did and one day Powell may too.
After some success our Valpo soccer program have seen assistant coaches leave the program for higher pay and better opportunities at other DI schools. Has this happened with other successful Valpo programs?
Baseball obviously lost our HC to the University of Richmond for this season, and a few of the assistants received jobs at larger schools, with Coach Schmack getting the Valpo HC job
Quote from: valpotx on February 17, 2014, 12:31:38 PMBaseball obviously lost our HC to the University of Richmond for this season, and a few of the assistants received jobs at larger schools, with Coach Schmack getting the Valpo HC job
That's what I'm saying, with success of our programs our coaches may be poached....
Perfectly fine by me if it happens every 5 years or so, as that means we continue to win :). It's rare for successful mid-major programs to keep coaches around if they continually win
Quote from: valpotx on February 17, 2014, 01:05:52 PMIt's rare for successful mid-major programs to keep coaches around if they continually win
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I'm pulling for UIC to win at least 1 of their remaining 3 games. I don't want to see them carry over a 16-game losing streak to next year and have their name on some national losing streak list. Not good for them or for the league.
Correction: They would be carrying over a 19-game losing streak, including their last 3 OOC games.
Correction of the correction :): Forgot about the tourney. Conceivably, they could carry over a 20-game losing streak. Anyway, hopefully my original thought still makes sense... ;)
agree with wh. I think it will be against Oakland.
I kind of want to see them lose out then win a game in the tourney. Just for chaos.
Speaking of UIC. I was listening to NPR radio this morning and they reported that UIC professors are on a two day strike. Can anyone from the Chicago area confirm this?
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 20, 2014, 10:31:24 AMSpeaking of UIC. I was listening to NPR radio this morning and they reported the UIC professors are on a two day strike. Can anyone from the Chicago area confirm this?
I can't because I don't watch the news, but google can confirm it (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-02-19/news/ct-uic-strike-met-0219-20140219_1_faculty-union-faculty-strikes-uic)
As of 2/22/13
Record: 0-14 (2004 CSU 0-16)
(realtime)RPI: 323/349 (bottom 7.4%) (2005 YSU 1.8%)
Avg scoring margin: -9.9 (2005 YSU -13.2 ppg)
BEST CHANCE OF WINNING: 32% vs. WSU
WORST CHANCE OF WINNING: 19% @ Milw
THING THEY ARE LIKE: LOOK OUT BELOW CHI-TOWN
(http://geology.campus.ad.csulb.edu/people/bperry/Mass%20Wasting/RockAvalancheDiagramFallS.GIF)
BONUS RPI FACTAGE
probability of auto-bid: 0.01%
probability of losing out: 47.34%
rpi if that happens: 329 (bottom 5.7%)
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 19, 2014, 11:47:25 AMI kind of want to see them lose out then win a game in the tourney. Just for chaos.
Sometimes chaos is good. Until recently I thought they could pick up a couple wins but I have just thrown in the towel.
Could somebody remind me why we didn't try to convince the MVC to grab the Flames and not the Ramblers?
Quote from: justducky on February 23, 2014, 11:05:00 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 19, 2014, 11:47:25 AMI kind of want to see them lose out then win a game in the tourney. Just for chaos.
Sometimes chaos is good. Until recently I thought they could pick up a couple wins but I have just thrown in the towel.
Could somebody remind me why we didn't try to convince the MVC to grab the Flames and not the Ramblers?
What difference would it make? Both teams are in last place.
Milwaukee made a nice turnaround from a down year. Hopefully, the Flames can do the same next year.
Nice article about Coach Moore from the NWI Times:
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/al-hamnik-uic-s-howard-moore-has-a-winner-despite/article_77335540-03e2-503e-8889-047dacee07d1.html?mobile_touch=true (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/al-hamnik-uic-s-howard-moore-has-a-winner-despite/article_77335540-03e2-503e-8889-047dacee07d1.html?mobile_touch=true)
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Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 25, 2014, 09:16:49 PM
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So you're saying the losing streak went down in Flames.