The University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee has been informed by the NCAA's Committee on Academic Performance that it was denied the final appeal of a postseason ban of its men's basketball team for 2014-15 because of past cumulative Academic Performance Rate (APR) scores. The decision means that Milwaukee is not eligible for the Horizon League Tournament or any other postseason competition following the regular season next year....
http://www.uwmpanthers.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040914aaa.html (http://www.uwmpanthers.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040914aaa.html)
Its because Jordan Aaron is a volume guesser on his tests.
That would be a big "gotcha" :o if I had signed a NLI with Milwaukee. Does the NCAA give you an out for that? I doubt if that possibility was in the recruiting literature.... I think they only have one signed NLI, and if I had an offer from UWM would probably be looking somewhere else. What a recruiting killer.
So if a HL team loses to these bums next year will it count against that team in the league standings?
Quote from: HC on April 09, 2014, 07:44:50 PM
So if a HL team loses to these bums next year will it count against that team in the league standings?
It should. The SWAC had half their league on probation last year and Southern was still the top seed.
Quote from: HC on April 09, 2014, 07:44:50 PM
So if a HL team loses to these bums next year will it count against that team in the league standings?
Yes. This is fair since everyone has to play them twice and everyone knows before the season begins.
Quote from: FWalum on April 09, 2014, 06:17:38 PM
That would be a big "gotcha" :o if I had signed a NLI with Milwaukee. Does the NCAA give you an out for that? I doubt if that possibility was in the recruiting literature.... I think they only have one signed NLI, and if I had an offer from UWM would probably be looking somewhere else. What a recruiting killer.
What is worse is they are loaded with freshmen and sophomores. According to this link, those players (that aren't the APR problem) can transfer without sitting out a year. Since they are not UConn, I wouldn't be surprised to sea an Exodus (okay that was a bad pun- but hey tis the season).
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7720137/alex-oriakhi-transfer-connecticut-huskies-ncaa-tournament-ban (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7720137/alex-oriakhi-transfer-connecticut-huskies-ncaa-tournament-ban)
Quote from: motowntitan on April 09, 2014, 07:52:56 PM
Quote from: FWalum on April 09, 2014, 06:17:38 PM
That would be a big "gotcha" :o if I had signed a NLI with Milwaukee. Does the NCAA give you an out for that? I doubt if that possibility was in the recruiting literature.... I think they only have one signed NLI, and if I had an offer from UWM would probably be looking somewhere else. What a recruiting killer.
What is worse is they are loaded with freshmen and sophomores. According to this link, those players (that aren't the APR problem) can transfer without sitting out a year. Since they are not UConn, I wouldn't be surprised to sea an Exodus (okay that was a bad pun- but hey tis the season).
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7720137/alex-oriakhi-transfer-connecticut-huskies-ncaa-tournament-ban (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7720137/alex-oriakhi-transfer-connecticut-huskies-ncaa-tournament-ban)
UWM only has to worry about their current junior class because they have one year left of eligibility. UWM will only be banned from post season play next year. If you read the article closely, it states that the NCAA grants waivers for athletes to transfer if their previous school is ineligible for the postseason for the
length of the players' eligibility. Current freshmen and sophomores at UWM who decide to transfer will have to sit out next year because they don't qualify for the waiver.
Wonder if UWM is re-thinking Jeter's $429K* (approximate by memory) salary in the wake of this?
* based on USAToday's March Madness Coaches Salary table.
Quote from: a3uge on April 09, 2014, 05:50:56 PMIts because Jordan Aaron is a volume guesser on his tests.
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Quote from: motowntitan on April 09, 2014, 07:52:56 PMI wouldn't be surprised to sea an Exodus
wow. well done. and that ncaa prez, really, he gypped 'em, huh?
Well, looks like we've gotta add someone to the conference then. i mean, how are we going to have a nine-team tourney with just 8 teams?
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 09, 2014, 09:51:52 PM
Wonder if UWM is re-thinking Jeter's $429K* (approximate by memory) salary in the wake of this?
* based on USAToday's March Madness Coaches Salary table.
Instead, based upon this year's selection of Wardle, I'd say Jeter is currently a leading candidate to be next year's Man of the Year. ;)
Quote from: Big D on April 09, 2014, 08:27:56 PMCurrent freshmen and sophomores at UWM who decide to transfer will have to sit out next year because they don't qualify for the waiver.
The only junior of quality that Milwaukee could lose is Steve McWhorter, who had already transferred in from Indiana State. The other juniors are Evan Richard and Trinson White. I have to believe the guys who it effects the most are sophomores Matt Tiby and Austin Arians. I wonder if Tiby's longer hair will be back next season. Tiby is a quality player who really was the spirit of the team.
I don't think that we should be comparing Jeter to Wardle. Wardle is scum based on what he did, whereas Jeter just had trouble keeping his kids accountable to graduating, or at least getting their degree once their basketball careers were finished. Having been a student athlete, I put that much more on the student athletes themselves, than the coach.
jeter saw the rest of the tournament, and now he's thinking "uconn do it too, rob".
A PR move, that.
Any word on our buddy Jimmy's reaction to this news?
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Quote from: Dave_2010 on April 10, 2014, 01:39:07 PM
Any word on our buddy Jimmy's reaction to this news?
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Ironically 24 hours prior to the announcement he sent a Tweet to someone that knocked Julius Randle for not knowing what the word "attainment" was.
Given 10 chances, Jordan Aaron could probably come up with 3.1 correctish definitions.
Quote from: a3uge on April 10, 2014, 01:54:15 PMQuote from: Dave_2010 on April 10, 2014, 01:39:07 PMAny word on our buddy Jimmy's reaction to this news? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Ironically 24 hours prior to the announcement he sent a Tweet to someone that knocked Julius Randle for not knowing what the word "attainment" was. Given 10 chances, Jordan Aaron could probably come up with 3.1 correctish definitions.
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I'm no great fan of the NCAA, but apparently there's not enough pulp to be palpable here.
C'mon, kids, go to class. How hard can UWM be anyway?
(cue Cardale Jones: "we ain't come here to play SCHOOL!")
My favorite tweet of his was the one where he threatens to expose any D1 coach who calls his players :thumbsup:
Just sayin...."We don't share the same academic values of our conference peers."
I wonder what they'll do with the tournament bracket. The easiest modification is probably to give the #4 a single seed, to match what the #3 seed already has.
From this exchange on the UIC board, it looks like they could be next:
Poster #1:
The obvious next question: where does UIC stand?
I know we lost a scholarship due to a low score in 2010-11. That would be part of the rolling 4-year average.
This year's APR is based on the 09-10 through 12-13 seasons.
Poster #2:
09-10: 905
10-11: 915
11-12: 900
12-13: ?
I'm sure if there's bad news it will be made public just before the spring signing period begins.
I'm starting to rethink my support for Valpo remaining in the HL. If Missouri State moves to the Sun Belt, it could reopen an opportunity to move to the MVC. That said, I recall that last year's MVC search committee was highly unimpressed with our present athletic facilities - and the lack of a commitment by the university to enhancements beyond a long term wish list. Basically, nothing has changed since. I doubt that they would be impressed that the university has committed to installing a new track. Men's basketball is the straw that stirs the drink.
Quote from: agibson on April 11, 2014, 02:41:04 PMThe easiest modification is probably to give the #4 a single seed
by "seed" do you mean "bye"?
I think that's best, if so. A traditional 1/8, 2/7 etc would really render the season all but meaningless (save for the host school). But as Ricky Bobby's dad would say, "if you ain't first, you're last!"
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 11, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
Quote from: agibson on April 11, 2014, 02:41:04 PMThe easiest modification is probably to give the #4 a single seed
by "seed" do you mean "bye"?
I think that's best, if so. A traditional 1/8, 2/7 etc would really render the season all but meaningless (save for the host school). But as Ricky Bobby's dad would say, "if you ain't first, you're last!"
Just for the sake of debate allow me to throw in a new variation of the old "ducky variation".
After the last regular season game is finished and the seeding order established give the #1 seed 1 hour to get back with the HL front office with their choice of the format for that year. Their choices would be limited to the double bye for #1 and #2 with single bye for #3 and #4 (a continuation of our HL format) or give the #1 seed champ the right to choose the traditional everybody playing 3 games avenue. The top seed in that format would also be given the choice of any first round Tuesday night opponent that they wanted and the highest remaining seed for the Saturday matchups would also have that choice of opponent as well as home court. Maybe you could give them a 2 hour window to arrive at their choice of opponent after all those Tuesday night games are completed.
See, now stuff like that is something worth playing for. Plus it would mark the HL as being cutting edge and innovative.
Which is probably why it would never happen.
HL better figure out a good 8 team tourney format because 2015 will be 8 (Milwaukee out) and 2016 will be 8 too (UIC out).
Well, barring ducky's cool idea, probably what we can expect from these people is the least amount of change possible.
5/8, winner plays 4, THAT winner plays 1.
6/7, winner plays 3, THAT winner plays 2.
Winner of each half plays in the title game. Only change is that now 4 gets a bye (and one fewer 1st rd game).
I'm not saying that is what I want, just what is most likely from the suits at corporate.
(Which, why is the girls' tourney a 1/8, 2/7, 3...never mind)
Quote from: oklahomamick on April 13, 2014, 09:43:19 PM
HL better figure out a good 9 team tourney format because 2015 will be 9 (Milwaukee out) and 2016 will be 9 too (UIC out).
Unless I have missed something we are a 9 team league now and with UWM out next year and maybe UIC the year after we would sit at 8 for both tournaments.
I don't have time to get into detail and I do not know how to link it but ducky variation #1 (which gives a 9 team format suggestion) is buried somewhere in the Neutral Site topic [I think]. If you didn't get a chance to read it a month ago when it was posted it should be in the On the Horizon category and you will very likely either love it or hate it.
I know I'm late to the party on this topic, but a quote attributed to NCAA President Mark Emmert in a story I just read caught my eye:
The overall four-year APR score across Division I was 974, a one-point increase from last year. Scores are calculated by individual D-I teams based on eligibility and graduation and retention rates. A minimum four-year average score of 900, or 930 over the most recent two years, is required for postseason participation. The overall four-year APR score across Division I was 974, a one-point increase from last year. Scores are calculated by individual D-I teams based on eligibility and graduation and retention rates. A minimum four-year average score of 900, or 930 over the most recent two years , is required for postseason participation. The minimum required APR scores will increase to 930 over four years or 940 over two years, starting with the 2014-15 postseason. The cutoff is equivalent to a 50 percent graduation rate.
"If you can't graduate half your student-athletes, you shouldn't be worried about playing in championships or tournaments," said NCAA President Mark Emmert. "There's more important things for you to be focused on."
I'm anything but an APR expert, but if what's going on at Milwaukee (and UIC) is that "the equivalent" of only half their players are graduating (or anywhere close to that), that is inexcusably pathetic. This is not a new system. The Milwaukee athletic department, Jeter, his assts., the players - everyone - knew how it worked and what was at stake, and yet they couldn't comply like the rest of us?
This is a systemic failure that reeks of indifference, lack of discipline and accountability at every level, and just plain laziness.
wh, coaching staffs should be fired for not meeting this APR guidelines, regardless of the level or sport. How Rob Jeter and his staff wasn't fired for this is beyond me. It's not like they inherited a dumb players, but because of what basketball means to so many schools and athletic departments, the grades and classroom attendance seems to get pushed under the rug. Change needs to happen in how ALL athletes are held accountable for not going to class or not doing the work required to pass these classes. Also, the NCAA needs to mandate that athletes must be enrolled in courses throughout various departments, not just classes specifically put together to keep them eligible with little or no work necessary during the subsequent sport's season.
Quote from: valporun on April 22, 2014, 11:55:27 AMAlso, the NCAA needs to mandate that athletes must be enrolled in courses throughout various departments
When I saw this, I couldn't help remembering something about my College experience suggesting that this kind of practice may go on at universities much more widely than just for student athletes. Suffice it to say that if I had had to fulfill my EE requirements for my BS-Comp Sci from Rose-Hulman by taking EE courses with the EE majors, I probably wouldn't have graduated. The only athletics I participated in was Soccer, and it wasn't a varsity sport when I attended (plus this was Division III anyway). But every EE course I took was taught specifically for Comp Sci majors, and my feeling was that they always took it a little bit easy on us. My final EE course I barely passed in part because my prof was a softy and knew I already had a job.
Just idly wondering if this kind of thing isn't more generally just a part of the College culture, not simply limited to athletics. It probably is most egregious when it comes to the student athletes, I would admit.
I can't speak for other schools, but every basketball player that had classes with me took them very seriously. Greg Tonagel and Antti Nikkila were prime examples of the quality student athletes Valpo attracts. The same goes for my teammates and other student athletes that were in my classes.
Quote from: valporun on April 22, 2014, 11:55:27 AM
Also, the NCAA needs to mandate that athletes must be enrolled in courses throughout various departments, not just classes specifically put together to keep them eligible with little or no work necessary during the subsequent sport's season.
I believe that in addition to the APR forumula, students (er, student-athletes) must also demonstrate progress toward a recognized degree program. A series of courses designed to keep a jock eligible, IMO, would not satisfy that requirement. But (and it's a big but) the NCAA cannot audit every single college/university's curriculum to enable them to pass judgment, so colleges can get away with stuff until something like UCONN or UWM pops up, then they can rummage around.
http://english111handouts.blogspot.com/2007/09/university-days-by-james-thurber.html (http://english111handouts.blogspot.com/2007/09/university-days-by-james-thurber.html)
A favorite story by James Thurber, who attended college in the 1910s.
Excerpt:
"... He was a tackle on the football team, named Bolenciewcz. At that time Ohio State University had one of the best football teams in the country, and Bolenciecwcz was one of its outstanding stars. In order to be eligible to play it was necessary for him to keep up in his studies, a very difficult matter, for while he was not dumber than an ox he was not any smarter. Most of his professors were lenient and helped him along. None gave him more hints in answering questions or asked him simpler ones than the economics professor..."
The more things change, the more they remain the same.
It comes down to the ethics of the university/college.
Does the school teach the students to be good learners for the benefit of the student
or does the school make things easy for the student or let them off easy on classes/assignments that seem difficult for the ultimate benefit of the university/college?
As a VU professor I can guarantee you that student-athletes are NOT held to any lower standards whatsoever here in Valpo. The only thing they get away with is missing a class and making up late work if they are competing on the road.
EIGHT TEAMS FACE APR POSTSEASON BAN
"The 2012-13 Academic Progress Rate scores were announced by the NCAA today for all its member institutions. This year marked the new standard for qualifying for postseason competition and eight schools found themselves below the more stringent 930 multiyear mark. Alabama State, Appalachian State, Florida A&M, Houston Baptist, Lamar, San Jose State, Central Arkansas and Milwaukee, will all sit out the 2014-15 postseason by failing to meet the four-year average of 930...."
Article also lists UIC among schools that did not meet the threshold and face lesser punishments:
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2014/5/14/5717794/apr-postseason-ban-2014-2015-college-basketball-lamar-milwaukee-appalachian-state (http://www.midmajormadness.com/2014/5/14/5717794/apr-postseason-ban-2014-2015-college-basketball-lamar-milwaukee-appalachian-state)
Quote from: valpopal on May 14, 2014, 02:10:02 PM
EIGHT TEAMS FACE APR POSTSEASON BAN
"The 2012-13 Academic Progress Rate scores were announced by the NCAA today for all its member institutions. This year marked the new standard for qualifying for postseason competition and eight schools found themselves below the more stringent 930 multiyear mark. Alabama State, Appalachian State, Florida A&M, Houston Baptist, Lamar, San Jose State, Central Arkansas and Milwaukee, will all sit out the 2014-15 postseason by failing to meet the four-year average of 930...."
Article also lists UIC among schools that did not meet the threshold and face lesser punishments:
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2014/5/14/5717794/apr-postseason-ban-2014-2015-college-basketball-lamar-milwaukee-appalachian-state (http://www.midmajormadness.com/2014/5/14/5717794/apr-postseason-ban-2014-2015-college-basketball-lamar-milwaukee-appalachian-state)
Proverbs 13:20 ESV
Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm.Here's hoping for an MVC invitation...
For those curious, Milwaukee's men's basketball APR for last year was 908, and UIC was 926. Valpo last year was at 980. (For comparison, Valpo's baseball team was at 990.) These are combination four-year results. A perfect score is 1000. Valpo's baseball, men's cross country, men's golf, men's tennis, women's basketball, women's cross country, women's swimming, women's tennis, women's track, and volleyball had perfect scores of 1000 for the single year of 2012-2013.
Here is the list of multiyear scores for Valpo basketball in recent years:
2007-2008 950
2008-2009 935
2009-2010 951
2010-2011 968
2011-2012 963
2012-2013 980
Wow, those are some terrible schools to be mentioned with, in regards to academic reputation. I apologize to anyone that might have attended these schools, or have relatives that did, but they are not good schools....
Three of the schools mentioned come from the South Land. Abiline Christian should also be on that list, making it four schools from that conference. Another reason for ORU to jump ship.
I've said this before, it would be nice to have a conference made of private schools with similar academics. A smaller version of the Big East. When asked, I don't like telling people what state commuter schools are in Valpo's conference.
Quote from: valpotx on May 14, 2014, 11:06:10 PM
Wow, those are some terrible schools to be mentioned with, in regards to academic reputation. I apologize to anyone that might have attended these schools, or have relatives that did, but they are not good schools....
Apologizing to people that attended San Jose State? That's kind of stupid.
That's the only one I wasn't sure of, as I know nothing about their academic reputation.
Quote from: valpopal on May 14, 2014, 02:10:02 PMAppalachian State, ... will ... sit out the 2014-15 postseason by failing to meet the four-year average of 930...."
OBLIGATORY
HOT HOT HOT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVENWl8uBeg#)
Wasn't it Appalachian State that beat Michigan in football a few years back?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Appalachian_State_vs._Michigan_football_game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Appalachian_State_vs._Michigan_football_game)
Appalachian is HOT HOT HOT!!!!
Quote from: bbtds on May 15, 2014, 06:01:25 PMWasn't it Appalachian State that beat Michigan in football a few years back?
I'M NOT LISTENING
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu5xe5aO1u1qmr448o1_r1_500.jpg)
NOBODY'S HEARING NOTHING
Quote from: wh on May 14, 2014, 02:22:44 PM
Proverbs 13:20 ESV
Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm.
Here's hoping for an MVC invitation...
Amen. Hard to believe a few people on this board stated a year ago that Valpo would be better off staying in the Horizon than moving to the MVC. If other Horizon schools don't step things up (athletically and academically) soon, Valpo should start looking for their next home (assuming they haven't already).
Quote from: EddieCabot on May 15, 2014, 08:30:14 PMHard to believe a few people on this board stated a year ago that Valpo would be better off staying in the Horizon than moving to the MVC.
I don't know that anyone said THAT.
Quote from: wh on March 31, 2013, 07:12:02 PMAs someone who has not been in favor of moving to the MVC, call me concerned.
er...well...maybe one person ;)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 15, 2014, 08:57:25 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on May 15, 2014, 08:30:14 PMHard to believe a few people on this board stated a year ago that Valpo would be better off staying in the Horizon than moving to the MVC.
I don't know that anyone said THAT.
Quote from: wh on March 31, 2013, 07:12:02 PMAs someone who has not been in favor of moving to the MVC, call me concerned.
er...well...maybe one person ;)
With such a good memory for something I said over a year ago, I'm surprised that you apparently forgot what I said 5 weeks ago when this APR thing first surfaced:
I'm starting to rethink my support for Valpo remaining in the HL. If Missouri State moves to the Sun Belt, it could reopen an opportunity to move to the MVC. That said, I recall that last year's MVC search committee was highly unimpressed with our present athletic facilities - and the lack of a commitment by the university to enhancements beyond a long term wish list. Basically, nothing has changed since. I doubt that they would be impressed that the university has committed to installing a new track. Men's basketball is the straw that stirs the drink. So, here are my thoughts in proper context. When reports surfaced a year ago that Valpo was being considered for the MVC there were those on this board who expressed that the MVC provided a better "academic institution fit" for Valpo than did the Horizon League. That line of thinking seemed a little too "elitist" for my taste; thus, I discounted its relevance and defended staying in the HL strictly on an athletic basis. At the time there were no specific academic failures by other HL institutions that could reflect negatively on Valpo's image and reputation.
The situation is different now. The APR failures at Milwaukee and UIC reflect negatively on the entire Horizon League. Valparaiso University is a business in a highly competitive field. It charges top dollar for its services. It receives no federal funding to "bridge the gap" during lean times. It rises and falls at all times on its standing as an academic institution of the highest quality. It cannot afford to risk having its reputation damaged - even in the slightest - by the irresponsible actions of other institutions in the same "fraternity" over which it has no control. As I mentioned in another post, recent embarrassing issues are becoming epidemic in the Horizon League - the lack of academic accountability ay Milwaukee and UIC, the Detroit athletic department sex scandal, the bullying accusations at Green Bay, the firing of the women's basketball coach at Oakland, and the revolving door of failed athletic directors at Milwaukee.
Valparaiso University needs a new set of friends.
Note: For those who may have read my original post, I changed it to hopefully better reflect the serious nature of this issue...
I know. You were just biden your time because someone else evolved you there first, perhaps? ;)
Quote from: wh on April 11, 2014, 08:29:01 PM
From this exchange on the UIC board, it looks like they could be next:
Poster #1:
The obvious next question: where does UIC stand?
I know we lost a scholarship due to a low score in 2010-11. That would be part of the rolling 4-year average.
This year's APR is based on the 09-10 through 12-13 seasons.
Poster #2:
09-10: 905
10-11: 915
11-12: 900
12-13: ?
I'm sure if there's bad news it will be made public just before the spring signing period begins.
I'm starting to rethink my support for Valpo remaining in the HL. If Missouri State moves to the Sun Belt, it could reopen an opportunity to move to the MVC. That said, I recall that last year's MVC search committee was highly unimpressed with our present athletic facilities - and the lack of a commitment by the university to enhancements beyond a long term wish list. Basically, nothing has changed since. I doubt that they would be impressed that the university has committed to installing a new track. Men's basketball is the straw that stirs the drink.
Okay, now why don't you go back to our message board and post the response from uic105. We are not in danger of a post season ban because we have quality students. Jimmy Collins, at the end, almost destroyed the Flames' hoops program. When he left, he did so when it was too late for Howard Moore to sufficiently recruit. He was stuck with some of Collins' recruit and it took a while to weed them out and bring in quality student-athletes. The '12-'13 season is more of what I would expect from the Team going forward.
I don't know about Milwaukee or even Valpo for that matter, but I do know that UIC is a quality university that is a top 70 research institution and is listed as one of the top universities in the world that is 50 years old or less. Everybody has their opinion and I get that, but let's get some good background first.
I'm no math prof, but if those are in fact their three APR, then nothing short of a perfect 1000 from '12-13 would bring their 4-year average up to 930.
Quote from: Chuck A on May 16, 2014, 06:19:38 AM
Quote from: wh on April 11, 2014, 08:29:01 PM
From this exchange on the UIC board, it looks like they could be next:
Poster #1:
The obvious next question: where does UIC stand?
I know we lost a scholarship due to a low score in 2010-11. That would be part of the rolling 4-year average.
This year's APR is based on the 09-10 through 12-13 seasons.
Poster #2:
09-10: 905
10-11: 915
11-12: 900
12-13: ?
I'm sure if there's bad news it will be made public just before the spring signing period begins.
I'm starting to rethink my support for Valpo remaining in the HL. If Missouri State moves to the Sun Belt, it could reopen an opportunity to move to the MVC. That said, I recall that last year's MVC search committee was highly unimpressed with our present athletic facilities - and the lack of a commitment by the university to enhancements beyond a long term wish list. Basically, nothing has changed since. I doubt that they would be impressed that the university has committed to installing a new track. Men's basketball is the straw that stirs the drink.
Okay, now why don't you go back to our message board and post the response from uic105. We are not in danger of a post season ban because we have quality students. Jimmy Collins, at the end, almost destroyed the Flames' hoops program. When he left, he did so when it was too late for Howard Moore to sufficiently recruit. He was stuck with some of Collins' recruit and it took a while to weed them out and bring in quality student-athletes. The '12-'13 season is more of what I would expect from the Team going forward.
I don't know about Milwaukee or even Valpo for that matter, but I do know that UIC is a quality university that is a top 70 research institution and is listed as one of the top universities in the world that is 50 years old or less. Everybody has their opinion and I get that, but let's get some good background first.
I just checked the same UIC thread I got the quote from -
Academic Progress Review - and there is no response by uic105, or anyone else for that matter. Are you referring to an off topic comment I just found buried in a totally unrelated recruiting thread, in which 105 said her/his husband and/or trusted sources told her/him that APR shouldn't be problem going forward? For your sake (and ours) I hope they are correct.
Yeah, that's the one. We're out of danger because of the two-year higher average requirement that the team met. This, however, is the last year for that as from now on APRs will be only on a 4-year average.
We all are just grateful that Coach Moore has changed the culture around Flames hoops.
Abilene Christian's APR won't impact postseason actions for their basketball program because ACU is still going through the "Transition to D-I to D-II", meaning that their APR won't affect their postseason eligibility, as they can't go to any postseason tourneys because they aren't a full D-I member school yet.