Hear me out.
Valpo beat Butler this year.
Butler, of course beat Stetson whom beat Marist.
Marist had a great win vs Jacksonville, who beat San Diego who beat Dayton.
Dayton, of course, beat Georgetown, who beat Holy Cross, who beat Morgan State, who beat South Carolina State.
SC State beat up on Bethune Cookman.
Bethune cookman beat FIU, who beat UAB, who beat Western Kentucky, who beat Bowling Green, who beat Indiana.
Indiana beat Mizzou.
And of course Mizzou beat Arkansas, who beat Ole Miss.
Ole Miss beat #1 Alabama.
So it's really illogical to NOT consider Valpo for the College Football Playoff, seeing as they basically beat the #1 team in the country.
(http://i.imgur.com/WFweHLi.jpg)
Seems legit.
(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web04/2009/12/10/13/always-trust-the-transitive-property-4370-1260469510-73.jpg)
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 03:28:54 PMMarist had a great win vs Dayton.
Didn't Marist lose to Dayton? 31-21?
Quote from: covufan on December 05, 2014, 03:33:19 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 03:28:54 PMMarist had a great win vs Dayton.
Didn't Marist lose to Dayton? 31-21?
Correct, I don't understand why you ask this question though. Marist beat Jacksonville whom beat San Diego whom beat dayton
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 03:28:54 PM
Hear me out.
Valpo beat Butler this year.
Butler, of course beat Stetson whom beat Marist.
Marist had a great win vs Jacksonville, whom beat San Diego whom beat Dayton.
Dayton, of course, beat Georgetown, whom beat Holy Cross, whom beat Morgan State, whom beat South Carolina State.
SC State beat up on Bethune Cookman.
Bethune cookman beat FIU, whom beat UAB, whom beat fAu.
FAU beat Western Kentucky, whom beat Bowling Green, whom beat Indiana.
Indiana beat Mizzou.
And of course Mizzou beat Arkansas, whom beat Ole Miss.
Ole Miss beat #1 Alabama.
So it's really illogical to NOT consider Valpo for the College Football Playoff, seeing as they basically beat the #1 team in the country.
Was just about to edit...
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 03:34:27 PM
Quote from: covufan on December 05, 2014, 03:33:19 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 03:28:54 PMMarist had a great win vs Dayton.
Didn't Marist lose to Dayton? 31-21?
Correct, I don't understand why you ask this question though. Marist beat Jacksonville whom beat San Diego whom beat dayton
Nice, fast edit! Wish I had quoted the whole thing, though ;)
UAB also beat Western Kentucky, so I can cut it down. Anyone see a shorter path?
Good find! Makes you wonder. A bit more believable when we do the same thing with men's basketball.
Massey has a matchup tool. I put in Valpo and Missouri:
http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=262657&t0=Valparaiso&h=0&s1=262657&t1=University+of+Missouri (http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=262657&t0=Valparaiso&h=0&s1=262657&t1=University+of+Missouri)
I put in 7 game series (no best of) and hit the sim button 14 times (98 games simulated) before Valpo scored in a 70-2 loss. Hit the sim button another 8 times to get another score with a loss of 84-3.
For Western Kentucky I simulated about 350 games and got a few close losses (10 points), but no wins.
For Florida International I got one 21-17 loss in about 280 simulations. Maybe next year!
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 03:48:38 PM
UAB also beat Western Kentucky, so I can cut it down. Anyone see a shorter path?
No. Longer paths yes, but I think the keys are Mizzou's loss to IU and FIU's loss to Bethune-Cookman.
We did it both way today for basketball too.
Valpo 15 > Portland 12 > Portland State 8 > USC 12 > New Mexico
New Mexico > CS Fullerton > FIU > Kennesaw St > Samford > UMKC > Missouri > Valpo
Bowling Green also beat Akron, who beat Pitt, who beat Boston College, who beat USC, who beat AZ, who beat Oregon.
Two paths to the BCS College Football Playoff!
You used "whom" instead of "who", as you should when in the nominative or accusative (objective) cases.
...I still liked your post anyway. Well done.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 05, 2014, 05:38:50 PM
You used "whom" instead of "who", as you should when in the nominative or accusative (objective) cases.
...I still liked your post anyway. Well done.
I even looked that up. Are you sure?
Handy geographically close-enough map.
(http://i.imgur.com/WFweHLi.jpg)
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 06:18:10 PMI even looked that up. Are you sure?
Mashup your list with Matthew 1, and you'll see what I mean.
In the 'key' of "g", that is:
QuoteValpo begat Butler this year.
Butler, of course begat Stetson who begat Marist.
Marist was the mother of Jacksonville, who begat San Diego who begat Dayton.
Dayton, of course, begat Georgetown, who begat Holy Cross, who begat Morgan State, who begat South Carolina State.
SC State begat all up on Bethune Cookman.
etc.
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 05, 2014, 05:38:50 PM
You used "whom" instead of "who", as you should when in the nominative or accusative (objective) cases.
...I still liked your post anyway. Well done.
I even looked that up. Are you sure?
If we are going to focus on "grammar and punctuation," commas go inside of quotes. ;)
Strongly disagree. The comma is not part of the quote.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 05, 2014, 09:34:43 PM
Strongly disagree. The comma is not part of the quote.
Rule 3a. Periods and commas always go inside quotation marks.
Examples: The sign said, "Walk." Then it said, "Don't Walk," then, "Walk," all within thirty seconds. He yelled, "Hurry up."
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 05, 2014, 09:34:43 PM
Strongly disagree. The comma is not part of the quote.
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/quotation.htm (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/quotation.htm)
In the United States, periods and commas go inside quotation marks regardless of logic. Click HERE for an explanation (sort of).
BRITISH PUNCTUATION RULES FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!1!
i mean
BRITISH PUNCTUATION RULES, FOREVER!!!
(no more than 3 exclamation points, ever.)
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 03:48:38 PMAnyone see a shorter path?
Yes, but I had to use this tool:
http://www.masseyratings.com/path.php?s=&t0=Valparaiso&pt=1&t1= (http://www.masseyratings.com/path.php?s=&t0=Valparaiso&pt=1&t1=)
Shortest Path: Valparaiso >>> Alabama
By transitivity, this 19 game path shows that Valparaiso dominates Alabama by 248 points.
# Date Winner Scr Loser Scr
1 2014-11-08 @ Valparaiso # 506 (4-8) 17 Butler# 478 (4-7) 3
2 2014-10-04 Butler# 478 (4-7) 49 @ Stetson# 493 (5-7) 41
3 2014-11-08 @ Stetson# 493 (5-7) 22 Marist# 432 (4-7) 14
4 2014-11-01 @ Marist# 432 (4-7) 17 Jacksonville# 291 (9-2) 16
5 2014-09-13 @ Jacksonville# 291 (9-2) 35 San Diego# 313 (9-3) 18
6 2014-09-06 @ San Diego# 313 (9-3) 23 W New Mexico# 372 (5-6) 17
7 2014-10-04 @ W New Mexico# 372 (5-6) 24 Ft Lewis# 413 (3-8) 17
8 2014-10-11 @ Ft Lewis# 413 (3-8) 23 CSU-Pueblo# 131 (12-1) 22
9 2014-09-13 CSU-Pueblo# 131 (12-1) 47 @ Sam Houston St# 98 (10-4) 21
10 2014-11-22 @ Sam Houston St# 98 (10-4) 38 Cent Arkansas# 158 (6-6) 31
11 2014-10-25 @ Cent Arkansas# 158 (6-6) 58 Northwestern LA# 144 (6-6) 35
12 2014-09-20 Northwestern LA# 144 (6-6) 30 @ Louisiana Tech# 69 (8-5) 27
13 2014-11-01 @ Louisiana Tech# 69 (8-5) 59 W Kentucky# 79 (7-5) 10
14 2014-08-29 @ W Kentucky# 79 (7-5) 59 Bowling Green# 116 (7-6) 31
15 2014-09-13 @ Bowling Green# 116 (7-6) 45 Indiana# 89 (4-8) 42
16 2014-09-20 Indiana# 89 (4-8) 31 @ Missouri# 16 (10-3) 27
17 2014-11-28 @ Missouri# 16 (10-3) 21 Arkansas# 19 (6-6) 14
18 2014-11-22 @ Arkansas# 19 (6-6) 30 Mississippi# 8 (9-3) 0
19 2014-10-04 @ Mississippi# 8 (9-3) 23 Alabama# 1 (12-1) 17
Quote from: covufan on December 10, 2014, 06:22:27 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 03:48:38 PMAnyone see a shorter path?
Yes, but I had to use this tool:
http://www.masseyratings.com/path.php?s=&t0=Valparaiso&pt=1&t1= (http://www.masseyratings.com/path.php?s=&t0=Valparaiso&pt=1&t1=)
Shortest Path: Valparaiso >>> Alabama
By transitivity, this 19 game path shows that Valparaiso dominates Alabama by 248 points.
# Date Winner Scr Loser Scr
1 2014-11-08 @ Valparaiso # 506 (4-8) 17 Butler# 478 (4-7) 3
2 2014-10-04 Butler# 478 (4-7) 49 @ Stetson# 493 (5-7) 41
3 2014-11-08 @ Stetson# 493 (5-7) 22 Marist# 432 (4-7) 14
4 2014-11-01 @ Marist# 432 (4-7) 17 Jacksonville# 291 (9-2) 16
5 2014-09-13 @ Jacksonville# 291 (9-2) 35 San Diego# 313 (9-3) 18
6 2014-09-06 @ San Diego# 313 (9-3) 23 W New Mexico# 372 (5-6) 17
7 2014-10-04 @ W New Mexico# 372 (5-6) 24 Ft Lewis# 413 (3-8) 17
8 2014-10-11 @ Ft Lewis# 413 (3-8) 23 CSU-Pueblo# 131 (12-1) 22
9 2014-09-13 CSU-Pueblo# 131 (12-1) 47 @ Sam Houston St# 98 (10-4) 21
10 2014-11-22 @ Sam Houston St# 98 (10-4) 38 Cent Arkansas# 158 (6-6) 31
11 2014-10-25 @ Cent Arkansas# 158 (6-6) 58 Northwestern LA# 144 (6-6) 35
12 2014-09-20 Northwestern LA# 144 (6-6) 30 @ Louisiana Tech# 69 (8-5) 27
13 2014-11-01 @ Louisiana Tech# 69 (8-5) 59 W Kentucky# 79 (7-5) 10
14 2014-08-29 @ W Kentucky# 79 (7-5) 59 Bowling Green# 116 (7-6) 31
15 2014-09-13 @ Bowling Green# 116 (7-6) 45 Indiana# 89 (4-8) 42
16 2014-09-20 Indiana# 89 (4-8) 31 @ Missouri# 16 (10-3) 27
17 2014-11-28 @ Missouri# 16 (10-3) 21 Arkansas# 19 (6-6) 14
18 2014-11-22 @ Arkansas# 19 (6-6) 30 Mississippi# 8 (9-3) 0
19 2014-10-04 @ Mississippi# 8 (9-3) 23 Alabama# 1 (12-1) 17
Oh yeah well...
Alabama beat Southern Miss 52 - 12
Southern Miss beat Appalachian St 21 - 20
Appalachian St beat Campbell 66 - 0
Campbell beat Valparaiso 34 - 24
Quote from: Kyle321n on December 11, 2014, 08:53:17 AM
Quote from: covufan on December 10, 2014, 06:22:27 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 05, 2014, 03:48:38 PMAnyone see a shorter path?
Yes, but I had to use this tool:
http://www.masseyratings.com/path.php?s=&t0=Valparaiso&pt=1&t1= (http://www.masseyratings.com/path.php?s=&t0=Valparaiso&pt=1&t1=)
Shortest Path: Valparaiso >>> Alabama
By transitivity, this 19 game path shows that Valparaiso dominates Alabama by 248 points.
# Date Winner Scr Loser Scr
1 2014-11-08 @ Valparaiso # 506 (4-8) 17 Butler# 478 (4-7) 3
2 2014-10-04 Butler# 478 (4-7) 49 @ Stetson# 493 (5-7) 41
3 2014-11-08 @ Stetson# 493 (5-7) 22 Marist# 432 (4-7) 14
4 2014-11-01 @ Marist# 432 (4-7) 17 Jacksonville# 291 (9-2) 16
5 2014-09-13 @ Jacksonville# 291 (9-2) 35 San Diego# 313 (9-3) 18
6 2014-09-06 @ San Diego# 313 (9-3) 23 W New Mexico# 372 (5-6) 17
7 2014-10-04 @ W New Mexico# 372 (5-6) 24 Ft Lewis# 413 (3-8) 17
8 2014-10-11 @ Ft Lewis# 413 (3-8) 23 CSU-Pueblo# 131 (12-1) 22
9 2014-09-13 CSU-Pueblo# 131 (12-1) 47 @ Sam Houston St# 98 (10-4) 21
10 2014-11-22 @ Sam Houston St# 98 (10-4) 38 Cent Arkansas# 158 (6-6) 31
11 2014-10-25 @ Cent Arkansas# 158 (6-6) 58 Northwestern LA# 144 (6-6) 35
12 2014-09-20 Northwestern LA# 144 (6-6) 30 @ Louisiana Tech# 69 (8-5) 27
13 2014-11-01 @ Louisiana Tech# 69 (8-5) 59 W Kentucky# 79 (7-5) 10
14 2014-08-29 @ W Kentucky# 79 (7-5) 59 Bowling Green# 116 (7-6) 31
15 2014-09-13 @ Bowling Green# 116 (7-6) 45 Indiana# 89 (4-8) 42
16 2014-09-20 Indiana# 89 (4-8) 31 @ Missouri# 16 (10-3) 27
17 2014-11-28 @ Missouri# 16 (10-3) 21 Arkansas# 19 (6-6) 14
18 2014-11-22 @ Arkansas# 19 (6-6) 30 Mississippi# 8 (9-3) 0
19 2014-10-04 @ Mississippi# 8 (9-3) 23 Alabama# 1 (12-1) 17
Oh yeah well...
Alabama beat Southern Miss 52 - 12
Southern Miss beat Appalachian St 21 - 20
Appalachian St beat Campbell 66 - 0
Campbell beat Valparaiso 34 - 24
The opposite of the combination of these is probably the most likely outcome!
tx - if you add it up, Alabama to beat Valpo by 117 points? Pointwise, that would be something interesting to watch. Phyllis from Mulga on the Paul Feinbaum show would be joyful over that.
Quote from: usc4valpo on December 11, 2014, 04:16:05 PM
tx - if you add it up, Alabama to beat Valpo by 117 points? Pointwise, that would be something interesting to watch. Phyllis from Mulga on the Paul Feinbaum show would be joyful over that.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/17/article-2660247-1ED977E100000578-602_638x607.jpg)
Phyllis from Mulga is very happy!!!You don't want to see her angry
Alabama against Valpo might be a 150+ pt loss.
I hope the Phil Knight Express, Oregon, faces and defeats Alabama in the National title game. This has been a matchup many would love to see for quite awhile. It is time for my beloved Pac12 to put up or shut and get respect. I want to hear Phyllis and Saban cry in their moonshine.
As for the rest of the Pac 12, UCLA, Arizona and ASU are building excellent teams. And USC is off sanctions, and they will be back two years as they get their scholarship allotment back.
Quote from: usc4valpo on December 12, 2014, 07:09:11 AM
I hope the Phil Knight Express, Oregon, faces and defeats Alabama in the National title game. This has been a matchup many would love to see for quite awhile. It is time for my beloved Pac12 to put up or shut and get respect. I want to hear Phyllis and Saban cry in their moonshine.
As for the rest of the Pac 12, UCLA, Arizona and ASU are building excellent teams. And USC is off sanctions, and they will be back two years as they get their scholarship allotment back.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Ohio State plays Florida State for the title and, when the dust settles, The Buckeyes prevail!!
Quote from: vu72 on December 12, 2014, 09:09:03 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on December 12, 2014, 07:09:11 AM
I hope the Phil Knight Express, Oregon, faces and defeats Alabama in the National title game. This has been a matchup many would love to see for quite awhile. It is time for my beloved Pac12 to put up or shut and get respect. I want to hear Phyllis and Saban cry in their moonshine.
As for the rest of the Pac 12, UCLA, Arizona and ASU are building excellent teams. And USC is off sanctions, and they will be back two years as they get their scholarship allotment back.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Ohio State plays Florida State for the title and, when the dust settles, The Buckeyes prefail!!
I agree, I don't think tOSU wins the title either, but I think they lose to 'Bama.
I think Oregon or FSU to burst almost everyone's bubbles!!!
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/003/403/710/hi-res-185373919-quarterback-marcus-mariota-of-the-oregon-ducks-wears-a_crop_650.jpg?1382486167)
(http://www.gamedayboots.com/photos/womens/florida-state-university.FSU--L002-1.2.1627x860.jpg)
Book it!!!
Quote from: Kyle321n on December 12, 2014, 09:21:03 AM
Quote from: vu72 on December 12, 2014, 09:09:03 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on December 12, 2014, 07:09:11 AM
I hope the Phil Knight Express, Oregon, faces and defeats Alabama in the National title game. This has been a matchup many would love to see for quite awhile. It is time for my beloved Pac12 to put up or shut and get respect. I want to hear Phyllis and Saban cry in their moonshine.
As for the rest of the Pac 12, UCLA, Arizona and ASU are building excellent teams. And USC is off sanctions, and they will be back two years as they get their scholarship allotment back.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Ohio State plays Florida State for the title and, when the dust settles, The Buckeyes prefail!!
I agree, I don't think tOSU wins the title either, but I think they lose to 'Bama.
Very funny. Now fixed!!
Ohio State is going to be outclassed against Bama, something like 49-14 is my guess. It's a joke that they got in over TCU and Baylor, with that fantastic home loss to VT. I don't care that it was week 2 or 3, it still counts. TCU lost on the road against a top 5 team on a last second FG, Baylor lost AT WVU. All had similar SOS and top 25/50 wins when playing ranked teams at the time of the game.
Just like this joke of a game, where ND did not deserve to be in the title game:
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=330070333 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=330070333)
tx, I had a good feeling you would respond to this, and I tend to agree with you. I am sure that the decision was difficult and close, but at the end Ohio State would generate more fandom and more cash compared to Baylor or TCU. IMO, TCU is playing out of their minds right now and I think a TCU-Bama matchup would be more intriguing than Bama against Ohio St, who let's face it, play in a bogus Big 10 conference. Also, I know Baylor beat TCU head to head, and I respect that. But if I take the eye test, just I thought TCU was the best out of the three.
What is really crazy is that TCU won 56-3, and they drop 3 spots. Perhaps they needed to drop a 100 on the Clones.
regarding National title games, as a USC fan and alum I can feel the pain for Baylor and TCU. USC has been on the wrong end of that decision a couple of times in the past 12 years. Go Ducks!
Quote from: valpotx on December 13, 2014, 04:20:34 AMOhio State is going to be outclassed against Bama, something like 49-14 is my guess. It's a joke that they got in over TCU and Baylor, with that fantastic home loss to VT. I don't care that it was week 2 or 3, it still counts. TCU lost on the road against a top 5 team on a last second FG, Baylor lost AT WVU. All had similar SOS and top 25/50 wins when playing ranked teams at the time of the game. Just like this joke of a game, where ND did not deserve to be in the title game: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=330070333 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=330070333)
And here I thought having an actual 4 team playoff for the NC would take all the controversy out of deciding #1. Of course if they go to an 8 team playoff that would solve all the controversy. Lord knows there's no controversy in the 68 team field that the basketball committee picks. (for the challenged--yes, that was sarcasm)
Well we're just going to have to wait and see how this plays out. In the meantime, I watched a FCS quarter final last night--Chattanooga v. New Hampshire (ranked number 1). Adam Amin had the call and did his normal fantastic job! UNH won the game, played at their field, which is being remodeled to seat 11000 (16000 students) and just happens to have a track around it!
So here's a question which probably has to obvious an answer but I'll ask it anyway. The FCS system has worked, and worked well for many years. The title game is played each year right here in a suburb of Dallas--Frisco. The BCS system never has anybody claiming to have been screwed by "the committee". The BCS has what? 32 teams? So if it works for the FCS why not the FBS? Maybe 32 is to cumbersome but 16 sure wouldn't be. Just askin...
historyman - you are very much on spot!!!!!!
I remember the BCS when it stood for - boy computers suck!
72 - they will not go to a playoff because of money from all these bogus corporate bowls. This has nothing to do with academics. With bowls, they can plan, get their sponsors, get host cities engaged, and fans only have to make one trip for a game. With a 16-team playoff, you could have up to 4 games, 4 places to travel, cities that will not be as engaged, less emphasis of floats along Colorado Boulevard, etc. Also, the false accomplishment of a reaching a bogus bowl becomes more false. Also, there will be less tickets sales, which for major college football is a critical revenue resource.
I am overwhelmed by the number of bowls BTW. I think it is a gen Y issue. All teams, players and coaches have to feel great about themselves and that a 6-6 record is a great accomplishment. They need their warm fuzzy and get a trip to Detroit. Everyone gets their cake and ice cream at the end.
Quote from: usc4valpo on December 13, 2014, 08:05:39 AM
tx, I had a good feeling you would respond to this, and I tend to agree with you. I am sure that the decision was difficult and close, but at the end Ohio State would generate more fandom and more cash compared to Baylor or TCU. IMO, TCU is playing out of their minds right now and I think a TCU-Bama matchup would be more intriguing than Bama against Ohio St, who let's face it, play in a bogus Big 10 conference. Also, I know Baylor beat TCU head to head, and I respect that. But if I take the eye test, just I thought TCU was the best out of the three.
What is really crazy is that TCU won 56-3, and they drop 3 spots. Perhaps they needed to drop a 100 on the Clones.
regarding National title games, as a USC fan and alum I can feel the pain for Baylor and TCU. USC has been on the wrong end of that decision a couple of times in the past 12 years. Go Ducks!
I just found it hilarious that some commentators were saying that OSU finished strong. Yes, they beat the crap out of Wisconsin, but before that they had to squeak out victories AT HOME against Indiana, Michigan, at Minnesota, at Michigan State, and also took 2 OTs to beat PSU a few weeks before on the road. I also heard that Baylor and TCU didn't play as strong of an out of conference schedule, which is true. But that is over 3 games. OSU had the 4th EASIEST conference schedule between ANY the Power 5 teams (8 games)!!! The minimal out of conference games count more than 8 games (9 for TCU)?? People also say that OSUs loss was in week 2, well, TCU's loss at Baylor was in week 5. Yes, TCU would probably be the #1 seed if they hadn't blow that 21 point lead in the 4th quarter, but don't give me these reasons. It was about avoiding the controversy of picking TCU or Baylor, with both schools having an argument against each other. It was a decision to take the sole conference champ, and take the easy way out.
Blame Bowlsby. If TCU or Baylor for that matter win a BIG XII championship game, this co-champion foolishness doesn't happen in the first place and it's likely that OSU and the BIG are the odd man out in that situation, IMO.
Eh, you don't need a conference championship game to have a champion. we managed to do it for decades before they were around!
i can understand not wanting the 12 teams that are needed for a title game, because i don't think you can find the members that bring enough value to offset the increased denominator.
but i can't understand compounding that problem by not breaking a tie.
oh, and being married to a bama girl will make rooting against osu PARTICULARLY fun this year.
Quote from: crusaderjoe on December 13, 2014, 02:09:51 PM
Blame Bowlsby. If TCU or Baylor for that matter win a BIG XII championship game, this co-champion foolishness doesn't happen in the first place and it's likely that OSU and the BIG are the odd man out in that situation, IMO.
this was the message I received when I heard that OSU made it in - "you need to win a conference championship game in a big way to get into our group of four!"
Quote from: valpotx on December 13, 2014, 01:47:01 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on December 13, 2014, 08:05:39 AM
tx, I had a good feeling you would respond to this, and I tend to agree with you. I am sure that the decision was difficult and close, but at the end Ohio State would generate more fandom and more cash compared to Baylor or TCU. IMO, TCU is playing out of their minds right now and I think a TCU-Bama matchup would be more intriguing than Bama against Ohio St, who let's face it, play in a bogus Big 10 conference. Also, I know Baylor beat TCU head to head, and I respect that. But if I take the eye test, just I thought TCU was the best out of the three.
What is really crazy is that TCU won 56-3, and they drop 3 spots. Perhaps they needed to drop a 100 on the Clones.
regarding National title games, as a USC fan and alum I can feel the pain for Baylor and TCU. USC has been on the wrong end of that decision a couple of times in the past 12 years. Go Ducks!
I just found it hilarious that some commentators were saying that OSU finished strong. Yes, they beat the crap out of Wisconsin, but before that they had to squeak out victories AT HOME against Indiana, Michigan, at Minnesota, at Michigan State, and also took 2 OTs to beat PSU a few weeks before on the road. I also heard that Baylor and TCU didn't play as strong of an out of conference schedule, which is true. But that is over 3 games. OSU had the 4th EASIEST conference schedule between ANY the Power 5 teams (8 games)!!! The minimal out of conference games count more than 8 games (9 for TCU)?? People also say that OSUs loss was in week 2, well, TCU's loss at Baylor was in week 5. Yes, TCU would probably be the #1 seed if they hadn't blow that 21 point lead in the 4th quarter, but don't give me these reasons. It was about avoiding the controversy of picking TCU or Baylor, with both schools having an argument against each other. It was a decision to take the sole conference champ, and take the easy way out.
When you really look at the record, you can see why they picked OSU and how close the decision may have been.
Let's take a deeper look at the records. TCU did beat Minnesota 30-7 and also beat mighty teams like SMU, Texas Tech, Texas and ISU. Wow! that's impressive. they also beat a mighty Kansas team by 4 and West Virginia by 1. West Virginia was 7-5 including losses to Texas and managed to beat Texas Tech by 4!!
Baylor managed to lose to West Virginia.
Now, the Buckeyes did lose to Va Tech in the second game with a rookie quarterback. Who else did they beat? Well, Michigan State went out to Oregon and lost 46-27. Ohio State beat them at MSU, 49-37.
Wisconsin also beat Minnesota 34-24 versus TCU's 30-7. Guys, OSU beat Wisconsin 59-0 with a third string quarterback starting his first game.
The playoffs and bowl games will be entertaining and certainly say something about conference strength with MSU playing Baylor and Wisconsin playing Auburn plus, OSU v. Alabama. Go Buckeyes!!
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With all of this discussion on this thread, I guess we are saying that Valpo belongs in the championship talk.
Note: this is sarcasm
Sorry 72, the Big 10 sucks at football, and it will show through the Buckeyes getting beaten down...
Beating teams like Michigan State and Wisconsin is not impressive, despite their generous rankings. Those teams will get routed as well.
Quote from: valpotx on December 15, 2014, 01:23:24 AMSorry 72, the Big 10 sucks at football
(http://i.imgur.com/p6zsA.gif)
The Big Ten will dominate the SEC like I dominated the Mid-Con!!!
(http://www.fiba.com/images/web/News/Photos/2011/03/30/_192/Mohamed_Kone.jpg)
Guess who???
Most of the bowl games played now are actually games created by ESPN. The San Francisco Bowl, Boca Raton Bowl, New Orleans Bowl, and some of the various early bowl games were all created by ESPN to generate revenue and interest in college football and ratings for their scads of networks. Most of those bowl games aren't attended because fans don't have reason to travel to some of these areas that have not-so-scenic areas for people to want to attend games. Watch some of those games, and see you more empty seats and terrible football. These bowl games do more for ESPN than they do the schools playing. Also, the playoff system will do more for ESPN because they'll have reason to play up their numerous preview shows they can put on about how the four teams are prepping for their semifinal games, and then the 60-minute marathon shows that talk about practice (cue Allen Iverson) and all the buildup leading to the big National Championship game that will probably have some big name entertainer for the national anthem and halftime. It will just be a money grab for the NCAA and ESPN, and not be as exciting when it always the SEC or PAC-12 getting their overhyped team playing in the NC.
A few years back I was on vacation in New Orleans in the week before Christmas and the New Orleans Bowl was that weekend. I went online and got some tickets because I wanted to see the inside of the Super Dome, tickets were only $10 (Yes cheaper than that New Mexico game) and the spread was 2 points so I thought it would be an enjoyable game. I ended up in the section next to the winning team's fan section and was about 18 rows up at the 40 yard line. If I remember correctly it was a blow out, but it was a lot of fun to see the game. If you happen to be in the town for one of these meaningless bowl games, I recommend it, they are a lot of fun.
I usually go to the Texas Bowl when I see the in-laws in Space City.
New Orleans, San Diego and San Francisco are just great places to go for a visit.
Quote from: valporun on December 16, 2014, 01:31:00 PMMost of those bowl games aren't attended because fans don't have reason to travel to some of these areas that have not-so-scenic areas for people to want to attend games.
You mean people don't want to attend a bowl named "The Mouth of a Rat"?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 16, 2014, 03:49:12 PM
Quote from: valporun on December 16, 2014, 01:31:00 PMMost of those bowl games aren't attended because fans don't have reason to travel to some of these areas that have not-so-scenic areas for people to want to attend games.
You mean people don't want to attend a bowl named "The Mouth of a Rat"?
I typed in "The Mouth of a Rat bowl" into google and look what came up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800851/man-36-treated-hospital-stomach-flu-finding-rat-s-head-bowl-chili-golden-corral-restaurant.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800851/man-36-treated-hospital-stomach-flu-finding-rat-s-head-bowl-chili-golden-corral-restaurant.html)
Man found rat head in his bowl of chili(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/20/1413841893229_wps_15_image003_png.jpg)
That will teach me to do google searches without thinking about what I was actually typing. :(
very similar to the Oregon State logo
Go USC, go Ducks and go conference of champions!
Quote from: valpotx on December 15, 2014, 01:23:24 AM
Sorry 72, the Big 10 sucks at football, and it will show through the Buckeyes getting beaten down...
Beating teams like Michigan State and Wisconsin is not impressive, despite their generous rankings. Those teams will get routed as well.
How's those "routs" going for you so far?? ;)
Quote from: vu72 on January 01, 2015, 04:11:58 PM
Quote from: valpotx on December 15, 2014, 01:23:24 AM
Sorry 72, the Big 10 sucks at football, and it will show through the Buckeyes getting beaten down...
Beating teams like Michigan State and Wisconsin is not impressive, despite their generous rankings. Those teams will get routed as well.
How's those "routs" going for you so far?? ;)
ah, seems there may be some crow to eat! ;D :cheers: :rotfl: :dance: :thewave:
Quote from: vu72 on January 01, 2015, 04:11:58 PM
Quote from: valpotx on December 15, 2014, 01:23:24 AM
Sorry 72, the Big 10 sucks at football, and it will show through the Buckeyes getting beaten down...
Beating teams like Michigan State and Wisconsin is not impressive, despite their generous rankings. Those teams will get routed as well.
How's those "routs" going for you so far?? ;)
Quick, tell me what lottery numbers aren't going to win tomorrow.
I think Baylor's coach Art Briles needs to learn to shut up. For the second straight year, he whined about not being in the title hunt, and then lost in their bowl game when they were favorites. Last year, they got smoked by Blake Bortles and UCF, and this year they blew a 20 point lead to MSU.
Also, give a little love to the Pac12 who has played well in their bowl games.
Oregon vs. OSU will be a great matchup. Go Ducks!
I would love to see both semi-pro teams, U of O and OSU lose...is that possible?
Actually, no crow to be eaten. The Big 10 still blows as a football conference. I hadn't watched Alabama until yesterday, and their offense was horrible. It wasn't OSU doing a lot of it, as it was Sims underthrowing his WRs constantly. TCU would kick the crap out of both Alabama and OSU, after watching those teams play. I don't really care about Baylor or Auburn losing to Michigan State and Wisconsin. The Big 10 is still the 5th best conference in football, nothing changed with yesterday's results.
just curious...how many more bowl games does the Big 12 have to lose for you to see the light?
Would've thought going 1-5 would have been enough.
If you truly believe that the Big 10 isn't the 5th best conference, please send some of that good stuff you are smoking my way! I won't touch it, but I want to see what is causing your delusional state ;D. I never knew that you just throw out the ENTIRE regular season and base a conference on a bunch of one-off games, that some teams care about, while others don't.
...ok, what are you basing your conference superiority on, then, if not the intra-conference bowl games?
Seems to me the final game is as good a test as any of a team.
Here you go ;):
http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html)
The Big 10 played the Big 12 in one bowl game. One in which Baylor blew a 20 point lead. The regular season RPI is a much better indicator of conference strength...
That's nice. Maybe next year we'll let you into the playoff sandbox.
If you all quit getting your butts kicked, of course.
TCU didn't get their butt kicked by anyone. Ohio State had the 4th EASIEST CONFERENCE SCHEDULE out of the entire Power 5 conferences. You play 8 games against conference, with only 4 outside of conference. The Big 10 is a wasteland in football. Very good in basketball, but absolute $h!+ in football. It's even worse in baseball, where the Big 10 is in the lower third of all conferences. As a matter of fact, all of your schools have to recruit the South/West to even be 5th best! Where is JT Barrett from, Saders? ;)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Harbaugh won't be winning a national championship at Michigan, and the luck from this year's bowl season for the Big 10 will come back to earth in the next few seasons.
Wait, so is TCU and Baylor in the championship, or OSU? I think I watched the wrong game. OSU also throttled the team that just put Baylor back in its place, FWIW.
Keep playing bowl games and you'll win another one, one of these days.
OSU also barely beat the mighty Hoosiers (close until the end), Nittany Lions (in OT), and amazing Wolverines (sans Harbaugh). With a cupcake conference schedule like that, TCU would have been undefeated. OSU will be creamed by a real Oregon team. It's just like how ND was in the championship a few years ago, and got their @$$ handed to them, in an absolute crock of even being allowed to participate in that game. OSU will come back to reality on 1/12. So, a 12 point victory is throttling someone, when it was close the entire game? (http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=400547958 (http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=400547958)). Also, how is a 42-41 victory putting someone in their place? If Baylor hadn't taken their foot off the gas when they were up 20, it would have been very ugly.
Your wins in the bowl season are against Boston College (woo hoo, by 1 in OT), North Carolina (whoopee, by 19), Baylor (by 1), Auburn (by 3), and Alabama (terrible offensive team, by 7). You lost to Missouri (by 16), Louisiana Tech (hahahahaha, by 17), Tennessee (by 17), Stanford (by 24), and USC (by 3). You will end up 5-6, when OSU loses to Oregon.
The Big 12 lost to Arkansas (by 24), Texas A&M (by 8), UCLA (by 5), Clemson (by 34), and Michigan State (by 1), while beating Ole Miss (by 39) and soon-to-be Washington. The Big 12 will be 2-5. Even with Texas and Oklahoma playing like crap, the +/- is just about the same (-4.6 per game for the Big 10, -5.5 for the Big 12 before seeing Oklahoma State's win against Wash). A vast majority of the nation agrees with me that the Big 12 is better than the Big 10, and you guys are the 5th best football conference. Take solace in your bowl victories this season, as it will be back to being a below average conference again next season ;).
Here's what's particularly embarrassing about your one bowl win: you weren't even in the playoffs.
Since y'all's best team didn't make it, you had an advantage over everyone else, and still didn't match up.
I'd take my medicine and watch the B1G in the nat'l championship.
tx, you rock but I hate to say it, the Big 12 is blowing chunks in their bowl games. TCU was simply outstanding, no doubt. But the rest, with the exception of OK State, are laying eggs. OU was pathetic, K-State made a nice comeback but did not have enough against UCLA, but Baylor really, really choked. UT was an embarrassment. West Virginia did not have enough. OK St should win tonight.
Give Ohio State credit - they played great against Alabama and deserve to be in the title game. I think the OSU Oregon game will be a toss up.
As for the Pac 12, perhaps it is time to give these teams some respect.
I can't give OSU credit, because they shouldn't have been in the playoffs! They lost at home to the 6th place team in the ACC, while TCU's loss was AT a top 10 Baylor team. It doesn't matter that it was in the first few weeks of the season, and that it was a new QB settling in. A loss is a loss, and Ohio State had a much worse in-conference strength of schedule than both TCU and Baylor. The Playoff Committee took the easy way out and went with a name brand, so that they didn't have to deal with the controversy of picking between TCU and Baylor. I don't think that I will ever get over that snub, when it is obvious how much better TCU is versus 3 of the 4 playoff teams. I think that Oregon and TCU would have been one heck of a matchup, whereas the game on 1/12 will be over by halftime.
I haven't denied that the Big 12 blew bowl season, but you can't discount the regular season when comparing conferences. If the Big 10 and Big 12 were playing each other in many bowls, you could make a comparison in bowl record. Just like in basketball, you look at conference RPI to see conference depth and comparisons, and the Big 12 had a better overall season than the 5th place Big 10. I very much respect most of the Pac 12, and also believe that the SEC is very much over-hyped.
Think of the bright side - at least we do not have to deal with Phyllis from Mulga.
Alabama fans really need to get a life...
Ok, I will agree with you there. I dislike Alabama more than Ohio State, so it wasn't like I was rooting for Bama.
Quote from: valpo64 on January 02, 2015, 03:23:30 PM
I would love to see both semi-pro teams, U of O and OSU lose...is that possible?
Or you could have a three way game and have Michigan lose too. Most fans would believe it.
The system is imperfect. In general, I think bowl game performance has more weight in evaluating a team or conference that single games in the regular season. I am not an OSU or a Big 10 supporter. But OSU in the last few games has played outstanding. TCU got ripped off, and now looking at it maybe FSU was not as good as we thought. Again, how do you leave a team out that went undefeated in a power conference? Baylor can whine all they want, they need to prove they can win a significant bowl game. Then there are many who think Oregon should not be in the playoff with their perception that the Pac12 is soft.
In football, the Big 10 has been weak for awhile but give them credit in their bowl performances this year. As for the SEC, I really dislike their incredibly wimpy out of conference schedules and they are wusses for only playing 8 conference games. I talked to a Miss. St. fan who thought it was important that they face soft non conference teams in their schedule to ensure a bowl bid and keep their national title hopes alive. Well, at the end as we know, Miss St. was a hoax - imagine if they were in the playoffs!
Quote from: valpotx on January 02, 2015, 11:33:04 PM
I can't give OSU credit, because they shouldn't have been in the playoffs! They lost at home to the 6th place team in the ACC, while TCU's loss was AT a top 10 Baylor team. It doesn't matter that it was in the first few weeks of the season, and that it was a new QB settling in. A loss is a loss, and Ohio State had a much worse in-conference strength of schedule than both TCU and Baylor. The Playoff Committee took the easy way out and went with a name brand, so that they didn't have to deal with the controversy of picking between TCU and Baylor. I don't think that I will ever get over that snub, when it is obvious how much better TCU is versus 3 of the 4 playoff teams. I think that Oregon and TCU would have been one heck of a matchup, me. whereas the game on 1/12 will be over by halftime
I haven't denied that the Big 12 blew bowl season, but you can't discount the regular season when comparing conferences. If the Big 10 and Big 12 were playing each other in many bowls, you could make a comparison in bowl record. Just like in basketball, you look at conference RPI to see conference depth and comparisons, and the Big 12 had a better overall season than the 5th place Big 10. I very much respect most of the Pac 12, and also believe that the SEC is very much over-hyped.
I won't take the time to highlite your other "beat down" predictions. The BIG's top teams just played like champions. No quit. If Michigan State can beat the high powered Big 12 Co-Champion Baylor offense, then OSU can probably hang in there with Oregon. I would expect that if OSU wins it will again be total luck or some such thing!
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 03, 2015, 08:28:23 AM
The system is imperfect. In general, I think bowl game performance has more weight in evaluating a team or conference that single games in the regular season. I am not an OSU or a Big 10 supporter. But OSU in the last few games has played outstanding. TCU got ripped off, and now looking at it maybe FSU was not as good as we thought. Again, how do you leave a team out that went undefeated in a power conference? Baylor can whine all they want, they need to prove they can win a significant bowl game. Then there are many who think Oregon should not be in the playoff with their perception that the Pac12 is soft.
In football, the Big 10 has been weak for awhile but give them credit in their bowl performances this year. As for the SEC, I really dislike their incredibly wimpy out of conference schedules and they are wusses for only playing 8 conference games. I talked to a Miss. St. fan who thought it was important that they face soft non conference teams in their schedule to ensure a bowl bid and keep their national title hopes alive. Well, at the end as we know, Miss St. was a hoax - imagine if they were in the playoffs!
True, no system is perfect, but TCU didn't get ripped off, IMO. They simply lost ground the last week of the year because the conference that they were in didn't provide them with an opportunity to keep OSU out. If you want to talk about a rip off situation, a strong argument can be made for Miami in 2000. An 11-1 FSU team played Oklahoma over an 11-1 Miami team in the title game even though Miami had 1) beaten FSU earlier in the year and 2) was ranked higher than FSU in both the AP/Coaches Polls at the end of the regular season. Given what OSU achieved this year, and given the fact that OSU was ranked ahead of TCU at the end of the year, comparatively you can't call what happened to TCU a rip off, at all. And trust me, I'm no OSU apologist. I'm
still not over the 2002 Fiesta Bowl.
Interesting sideline to this championship game (read this on another forum). The first National Championship basketball game in 1939 was between Oregon and OSU. The first football playoff title game is also between Oregon and OSU. What would be the chances of that?
Quote from: valpotx on January 02, 2015, 08:28:41 PM
Here you go ;):
http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html)
The Big 10 played the Big 12 in one bowl game. One in which Baylor blew a 20 point lead. The regular season RPI is a much better indicator of conference strength...
Massey uses 124 different rating systems and averages them for this comparison ranking:
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm (http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm)
If you go to the bottom, it also has the Big 10 in 5th place. This comparison was before all of the bowl games. It will be interesting to see if there is much difference on 13 January.
I tend to agree that the Big 10, football wise, has been trending down the last few years. They have teams in the top 25-30, but after that it drops quickly. I think things will trend up, but it will be a tough road. I also think Harbaugh will do well at Michigan. Within three years he'll have them in the top 8, with a chance for a national championship.
Quote from: covufan on January 03, 2015, 01:17:28 PMI also think Harbaugh will do well at Michigan. Within three years he'll have them in the top 8, with a chance for a national championship.
+3 to your O/U score
OK, I've had enough. I'll have to add a few facts to this very avoidable mess by simply taking the playoffs to 8 teams. Sure, the 9th and 10th place teams will bitch (particularly if they are TCU and Baylor ;)), but no one will take them seriously. In hind sight, TCU probably should have been in and FSU out, but how do you not include a conference champion, defending champ who is undefeated?
In the meantime, comparing the entire conference to another to somehow penalize a team like OSU, seems really dangerous. Consider these few comparisons: The Big 12's worse teams are Iowa State (0-9) and Kansas, (1-8). The Big 10's worst are Indiana (4-8) and Purdue at 3-9. Indiana beat Missouri who played for the SEC championship (and we all know the SEC is the strongest conference ;))
In other news, Auburn beat K State, who finished 3rd in the Big 12, yet lost to Texas A & M, who lost to Alabama, 59-0 who lost to Ohio State. TCU lost to Baylor who lost to 3rd place Wisconsin who lost to Ohio State 59-0.
Valpo beat Butler ( ;D), who beat...oh wait, that's a different story... I rest my case Your Honors.
What I think you guys are driving at is that both conferences are inferior to the PCL, which reinforces my opinion that Valpo should have gotten a shot at the title game.
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 03, 2015, 08:28:23 AM
The system is imperfect. In general, I think bowl game performance has more weight in evaluating a team or conference that single games in the regular season. I am not an OSU or a Big 10 supporter. But OSU in the last few games has played outstanding. TCU got ripped off, and now looking at it maybe FSU was not as good as we thought. Again, how do you leave a team out that went undefeated in a power conference? Baylor can whine all they want, they need to prove they can win a significant bowl game. Then there are many who think Oregon should not be in the playoff with their perception that the Pac12 is soft.
In football, the Big 10 has been weak for awhile but give them credit in their bowl performances this year. As for the SEC, I really dislike their incredibly wimpy out of conference schedules and they are wusses for only playing 8 conference games. I talked to a Miss. St. fan who thought it was important that they face soft non conference teams in their schedule to ensure a bowl bid and keep their national title hopes alive. Well, at the end as we know, Miss St. was a hoax - imagine if they were in the playoffs!
The last few games you are speaking about total 2 games, against Wisconsin and Alabama. Before these 2 games, they barely escaped Minnesota, Michigan, and Indiana (Penn State in double OT a few games before this). If it is like basketball and how you finish matters, then one game against Wisconsin should not have trumped TCU's body of work. Also, the only reason that OSU was ahead of TCU in the final rankings, was because the Committee didn't want to tackle the co-champion issue of the Big 12. So yes, the conference screwed up there, but TCU is better than OSU, FSU, and Alabama, but I am not sure about Oregon. This would have been proven in an 8 team playoff, which needs to happen. We don't ever need to go above 8 teams, as the quality drops quite a bit at 9 and below (see TCU's absolute @$$ kicking of Ole Miss).
72, OSU is not the top team in the nation regardless of how they do against Oregon. If you look at their full body of work, they are a 5-6 seed, and just got hot in their Big 10 Championship and against Alabama. I am very much hoping that they get their butt kicked on 1/12, so I don't have to put up with OSU fans saying that they are the best team in the land, when you look at their full body of work. You can't make comparisons of this team beat this team who beat this team to solve conference vs. conference, so you use the RPI system as the best determinant. We do the same in basketball, when we are always talking about the HL being 1-2 spots below the MVC, and similar in quality.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this. On the one hand you point to a body of work (Ohio State lost one game) and on the other you look to how you finished. Nobody would argue with the way Ohio State finished, would you? Wins are wins and the quality of the team has been proven via wins against the MSU's, Wisconsin's and Alabama's, when it counted most.
If "barely escaping" should be the final word, then Valpo's 3 point win over Ball State (at home) should clearly be overshadowed by James Madison's 20 point win (on the road), which would clearly indicate who had the better team. I don't really think anybody would think JMU has a better team than Valpo. More likely, it is a team "playing down" to its competition. Hard to give a full effort against Indiana, Purdue or Minnesota for that matter.
Yep, we will have to disagree. OSU lost to an unranked VT team, while TCU lost to a top 10 team. The Big 12 is ranked higher than the Big 10 in RPI and overall quality, with OSU having the 4th easiest conference schedule among the 60+ Power 5 teams. The facts speak for themselves, which the Committee completely ignored ;).
tx, like you said, the committee completely ignored TCU and Baylor because they were co-champs. The Big 12 kicked themselves in the foot here by not having enough teams in the conference to hold a conference championship game. What we've seen here is exactly what we see in late February/early March when a team that shouldn't gets on a hot streak and upsets the apple cart. OSU did exactly this. Their schedule might have been "easy", but they got hot where it counted, and the committee when championship game over best record. OSU may also have received a bump because they were doing all of this having been led to the Playoff Championship game with a 3rd string QB. This would be like Valpo winning the HL basketball title having lost Alec Peters to injury, and having Nick Davidson take up the lost production. (Yes, you're going to say bad comparison, but I couldn't name the 3rd string QB at TCU or Baylor.) Anyway, the committee is going to go with the hot hand and money, not a team from a conference with no title game or money to grease the palm.
all I can say is go Ducks and give the Pac12 some respect.
For Oregon:
# Date Winner Scr Loser Scr
1 2014-11-08 @ Valparaiso (4-8) 17 Butler (4-7) 3
2 2014-10-04 Butler(4-7) 49 @ Stetson (5-7) 41
3 2014-11-08 @ Stetson (5-7) 22 Marist (4-7) 14
4 2014-11-01 @ Marist (4-7) 17 Jacksonville (9-2) 16
5 2014-09-13 @ Jacksonville(9-2)35 San Diego (9-3) 18
6 2014-09-06 @ San Diego (9-3) 23 W New Mexico (5-6)17
7 2014-10-04 @ W New Mexico (5-6) 24 Ft Lewis (3-8) 17
8 2014-10-11 @ Ft Lewis (3-8) 23 CSU-Pueblo (14-1) 22
9 2014-09-13 CSU-Pueblo (14-1) 47 @ Sam Houston St (11-5) 21
10 2014-10-11 @ Sam Houston St (11-5) 38 McNeese St (6-5) 22
11 2014-11-01 McNeese St (6-5) 35 @ Northwestern LA (6-6) 28
12 2014-09-20 Northwestern LA(6-6) 30 @ Louisiana Tech(9-5) 27
13 2014-12-26 Louisiana Tech(9-5) 35 Illinois(6-7) 18
14 2014-11-22 @ Illinois(6-7) 16 Penn St(7-6) 14
15 2014-12-27 Penn St(7-6) 31 Boston College(7-6) 30
16 2014-09-13 @ Boston College(7-6) 37 USC(9-4) 31
17 2014-10-11 USC (9-4) 28 @ Arizona (10-4) 26
18 2014-10-02 Arizona (10-4) 31 @ Oregon (13-1) 24
And Ohio State:
# Date Winner Scr Loser Scr
1 2014-11-08 @ Valparaiso (4-8) 17 Butler (4-7) 3
2 2014-10-04 Butler (4-7) 49 @ Stetson (5-7) 41
3 2014-11-08 @ Stetson (5-7) 22 Marist (4-7) 14
4 2014-11-01 @ Marist (4-7) 17 Jacksonville (9-2) 16
5 2014-09-13 @ Jacksonville (9-2) 35 San Diego (9-3) 18
6 2014-09-06 @ San Diego (9-3) 23 W New Mexico (5-6) 17
7 2014-10-04 @ W New Mexico(5-6) 24 Ft Lewis(3-8) 17
8 2014-10-11 @ Ft Lewis(3-8) 23 CSU-Pueblo(14-1) 22
9 2014-09-13 CSU-Pueblo(14-1) 47 @ Sam Houston St (11-5) 21
10 2014-12-13 Sam Houston St(11-5) 34 @ Villanova (11-3) 31
11 2014-12-06 @ Villanova(11-3) 29 Liberty(9-5) 22
12 2014-10-11 Liberty(9-5) 55 @ Appalachian St(7-5) 48
13 2014-11-08 @ Appalachian St(7-5) 31 ULM(4-8) 29
14 2014-08-28 @ ULM(4-8) 17 Wake Forest(3-9) 10
15 2014-11-22 @ Wake Forest(3-9) 6 Virginia Tech(7-6) 3
16 2014-09-06 Virginia Tech(7-6) 35 @ Ohio St(13-1) 21
For those of you in Ohio and Oregon, you now have bragging rights!
Time on your hands? ;)
Quote from: valpotx on January 03, 2015, 07:41:23 PM
Yep, we will have to disagree. OSU lost to an unranked VT team, while TCU lost to a top 10 team. The Big 12 is ranked higher than the Big 10 in RPI and overall quality, with OSU having the 4th easiest conference schedule among the 60+ Power 5 teams. The facts speak for themselves, which the Committee completely ignored ;).
Well, we'll let this one rest. Ohio State gave up 3 tos in the redzone and won easily. This, with a very young team and third string quarterback. Put TCU in place of Oregon and you'd expect something different? Midwest, shove it down your throat offense prevailed.
GO BUCKEYES!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: valpotx on January 03, 2015, 07:41:23 PM
Yep, we will have to disagree. OSU lost to an unranked VT team, while TCU lost to a top 10 team. The Big 12 is ranked higher than the Big 10 in RPI and overall quality, with OSU having the 4th easiest conference schedule among the 60+ Power 5 teams. The facts speak for themselves, which the Committee completely ignored ;).
So it should have been TCU against Ohio State in the national championship game? You really think the Horned Frogs would have beaten tOSU tonight?
Congrats to Ohio St. - well deserved win
I wonder if Phyllis from Mulga is doing OK.
Congrats to Ohio State as well, they won the games that they were allowed to play, and got hot over the 3 most important games of their season.
Yes, bbtds, TCU would have beaten both Oregon and OSU in that game. It's a shame that they weren't allowed to play it out on the field. It's as I said, even if OSU ends up winning the title, TCU should have been out there, however their opponent would have played out. Anyone watching TCU play this season could attest to it. Btw, I am just a casual TCU fan, even though that is my grad school and I coached baseball there one season as a Volunteer Assistant during my MBA program. I don't support them like I do teams I get behind each season, but rather watch the games with indifference most of the time. Since I didn't experience being a true TCU student, going to school most of the time at night after work, I don't feel the same about TCU, that I do Valpo. My avid support on this board simply has to do with the injustice that played out.
Quote from: valpotx on January 13, 2015, 12:21:51 AMTCU would have beaten both Oregon and OSU in that game.
I don't believe you would find many NCAA football fans agreeing with that statement. You can have your own opinion but you must realize that it is very much a minority opinion.
Not really, I believe that there is a sizeable chunk of individuals that believe TCU would beat both teams. All of the turnovers from Ohio State would have doomed them against TCU. Oregon didn't take advantage of the many chances that they were given to win that game.
Also, I don't care about the majority opinion, when we end up with Obama for 8 years ;).
If something like this hasn't been posted already, here's a link to "My Team is Better Than Your Team," proving that Valpo is better than CFP National Champion Ohio State: http://bit.ly/1y7Ym3j (http://bit.ly/1y7Ym3j)
KL31NY! where you BEEN man! good to see you!
(covufan beat you to it at 4:06 on Jan 6, above, btw.
that's just my friendly way of saying you should hang out here more ; )