USD is water under the bridge. Lets all just leave it behind us. Butler is beatable and we have the Helmet plus Brown Field on our side. Let's do this.
Anyone catch the ending of the Campbell/Stetson game on the ESPN highlights? Blocked FG with lateral to Donald Payne for the win at Campbell.
I'm with VULB62. This was a loss no matter what (USD that is). Big question is who is the QB and the health of a couple of key players.
If we beat Butler, as always, it will be a successful season. Former players--send words of encouragement to the team!! :thumbsup:
Please, for the love of God Coach C.... start Seewald!
Seewald did have a good TIU game (PFL POW) on the turf of Brown Field. But TIU is not Butler. Some of the coaching QB decision is how we match up as a team against them. Both QBs have different strengths, so the QB with the highest "strength rating" specifically against Butler will get the nod.
On another tack that should be considered. We have a large QB class. From the tape I've seen of all of them, there is some talent there. Part of a coach's strategy is to determine if a red shirt move might make Valpo better long-term. Seewald appears to be at the head of the class. But, bottom line is that maybe one of the freshmen who is not seeing any action is doing so by design -- not quite good enough right now, but possessing potential for a year or two from now. We as fans pretty much only look at today or maybe the day after. The coach has to look at this season and the next. Just sayin..............
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 23, 2016, 06:04:22 PMSeewald did have a good TIU game (PFL POW) on the turf of Brown Field. But TIU is not Butler. Some of the coaching QB decision is how we match up as a team against them. Both QBs have different strengths, so the QB with the highest "strength rating" specifically against Butler will get the nod. On another tack that should be considered. We have a large QB class. From the tape I've seen of all of them, there is some talent there. Part of a coach's strategy is to determine if a red shirt move might make Valpo better long-term. Seewald appears to be at the head of the class. But, bottom line is that maybe one of the freshmen who is not seeing any action is doing so by design -- not quite good enough right now, but possessing potential for a year or two from now. We as fans pretty much only look at today or maybe the day after. The coach has to look at this season and the next. Just sayin..............
Agreed. Barring some injury issues I'd be really surprised to see any of the other freshman get any time this season. I do expect them to compete seriously for the job next year and don't think any of this year's active QB's is any lock to be the starter or even active next season.
Coach mentioned Clarke has a hand issue and Stokes has been given limited time to this point. So, if Seewald went down in a close game, I'm not sure who's coming in at this point. Are the other QBs getting any reps at all with the first team? We don't know.
So from what I have seen , Clarke should not be the starter. Sorry, the top players should play. This has gone on for too long.
Against BU it might be Seewald. Stay tuned.
In Division I non-scholarship football, and specifically at Valpo where tuition is up near the $45K range, how many players really want to redshirt and stay 5 years, knowing that, scholarship cash or no scholarship cash, they will have a huge debt to pay?
My concern is that some of the talented freshmen may go if not given a deservedly so chance. This is not Ohio State or Alabama where you can redshirt many freshmen and not worry about funding.
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 23, 2016, 09:42:38 PM
In Division I non-scholarship football, and specifically at Valpo where tuition is up near the $45K range, how many players really want to redshirt and stay 5 years, knowing that, scholarship cash or no scholarship cash, they will have a huge debt to pay?
My concern is that some of the talented freshmen may go if not given a deservedly so chance. This is not Ohio State or Alabama where you can redshirt many freshmen and not worry about funding.
Without athletic scholarship $$$ this is, indeed, a valid concern in the coach/player red shirt decision dynamic.
Has anyone seen an early line on the game? My guess is that it would be expected to be a close game.
No...
Did you guys watch the last part of the Saturdays game.. did you see the hit on the QB seewald, he looked like a bit shaky getting up afterwards, I hope he is ok.
Quote from: valpo64 on October 24, 2016, 10:51:33 AM
Has anyone seen an early line on the game? My guess is that it would be expected to be a close game.
Massey has Butler by 4, Sagarin has Butler by 2.3. Yes it should be a close game.
Valpo 27
Butler 24
did u see DC interview, today. it looks like Both QBs- Clark and Seewald have something going on ... lets see if Stokes or if they move up another QB up for this game.. You are correct about the QBs that the other Freshman will not hold out much, and they have a few good ones, I think the kid from Cali had almost 3 stars, but did notice he brought that kid to FL... So we don't know what is up DC sleeve
Wishing, even if it is subliminally, injury on players in order to get the "kid from Calif." some PT is a reflection on the poster. It is not a good reflection particularly when it is pretty clear who it is. Coaches, Athletic Director's, reporters, faculty all have access to this board and post from time to time.
Or Florida kid, or the Kid from Illinois's they should all have a shot!! but we will see what the future will bring. They have access I am sure anyone can read theses darn boards. But I am sure that the Coaches don't care about these post. Lol.... :thumbsup:
In addition to the fact that Dave wasn't at all specific about injuries, and rarely is unless it is something definitive such as Catrine's early season injury, it appears you may be misreading a bit too much into his comments but we will see.
Hoping Chris Duncan gets some playing time because a player may have been injured (or not) really reflects on you and it is clear what your agenda is on this board.
I don't care one bit about Chris Duncan - it may seem like it , or others we need to get some mobile QBs is there that is the wave of the future...
Valpo has announced that this week's game is dedicated to Ken Biel and finding a cure for brain cancer.
Quote from: footballgods on October 24, 2016, 04:45:44 PMI don't care one bit about Chris Duncan - it may seem like it , or others we need to get some mobile QBs is there that is the wave of the future...
;D ;D Nice try.
In the moral victories dept, Valpo was able to put up the most passing yards San Diego has given up all year last week and hopefully that can continue this week vs. Butler no matter who the QB is.
Butler sucks this year and the Crusader can win, if ...
I think the bottom of the PFL has moved up on both Valpo and Butler. But if there is one team that has made no improvement it is the Bulldogs.
I'll be there Saturday but just in and out of campus for the game before heading to Chicago.
Quote from: bbtds on October 27, 2016, 06:06:50 AM
I think the bottom of the PFL has moved up on both Valpo and Butler. But if there is one team that has made no improvement it is the Bulldogs.
I'll be there Saturday but just in and out of campus for the game before heading to Chicago.
Things go in cycles. Could it be that these two teams are slowly exchanging traditional places in the standings with Valpo improving while Butler seems to be regressing? It wasn't long ago that Butler was the PFL co-champ in 2012.
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 27, 2016, 08:01:33 AM
Quote from: bbtds on October 27, 2016, 06:06:50 AM
I think the bottom of the PFL has moved up on both Valpo and Butler. But if there is one team that has made no improvement it is the Bulldogs.
I'll be there Saturday but just in and out of campus for the game before heading to Chicago.
Things go in cycles. Could it be that these two teams are slowly exchanging traditional places in the standings with Valpo improving while Butler seems to be regressing? It wasn't long ago that Butler was the PFL co-champ in 2012.
What I would say is that Valpo is not progressing as fast as Campbell or Stetson but if you are just comparing Butler and Valpo they are currently on about the same level with Butler staying in place and Valpo looks to move above them next season. The Crusaders should be able to beat the Bulldogs this game. And in my world that is vitally important! ;)
Quote from: bbtds on October 27, 2016, 08:21:32 AM
The Crusaders should be able to beat the Bulldogs this game. And in my world that is vitally important! ;)
My world as well! :thumbsup:
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 27, 2016, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: bbtds on October 27, 2016, 08:21:32 AM
The Crusaders should be able to beat the Bulldogs this game. And in my world that is vitally important! ;)
My world as well! :thumbsup:
All alumni feel that beating Butler makes the season a big success. Nothing else will do! GO VALPO BEAT BUTLER!!! :thewave:
are the game notes incorrect again?
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 27, 2016, 04:18:23 PMare the game notes incorrect again?
Incorrect in what way?
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 27, 2016, 04:18:23 PM
are the game notes incorrect again?
Do you mean this:
Seewald Starting Strong: Valpo freshman quarterback Jimmy Seewald has enjoyed a prosperous start to his collegiate career. He ranks second in the PFL in pass efficiency, behind only San Diego's Anthony Lawrence and Jacksonville's Rylan Wells. Seewald has a pass ef ciency of 126.1 in seven games. Despite making only two starts, Seewald is one of six quarterbacks in the league with 10 TD passes this season.The 2-Deep is pretty consistent with previous 2-Deeps and I'm sure that's by design. One thing is important to observe: The 2-Deep shows that, unlike last year, our starters are lasting through the season -- fewer major, emphasis on major, injuries.
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 27, 2016, 05:37:38 PMQuote from: usc4valpo on October 27, 2016, 04:18:23 PMare the game notes incorrect again?
Do you mean this: Seewald Starting Strong: Valpo freshman quarterback Jimmy Seewald has enjoyed a prosperous start to his collegiate career. He ranks second in the PFL in pass efficiency, behind only San Diego's Anthony Lawrence and Jacksonville's Rylan Wells. Seewald has a pass ef ciency of 126.1 in seven games. Despite making only two starts, Seewald is one of six quarterbacks in the league with 10 TD passes this season.
I think this would mean Seewald is third in the PFL unless my math is off. Doesn't change the fact that he's played well.
QuoteThe 2-Deep is pretty consistent with previous 2-Deeps and I'm sure that's by design. One thing is important to observe: The 2-Deep shows that, unlike last year, our starters are lasting through the season -- fewer major, emphasis on major, injuries.
Good points on the consistency of it and it has it limited uses.
So, assuming that, it is obvious that the Clarke is at QB
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 27, 2016, 10:25:11 PMSo, assuming that, it is obvious that the Clarke is at QB
Depth chart says Clarke OR Seewald which is exactly what Dave said after the game last week and in the preview this week.
Here is some Valpo-Butler history...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoosier_Helmet_Trophy
Gameday baby!! at beautiful Brown Field.
This is a must win game and Butler really sucks this year.
Prediction: Seewald steps in a QB in the second quarter, Valpo comes back to win 34-31 in a thriller. Seewald becomes Pioneer POW, and Clarke starts at QB next week.
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 29, 2016, 08:47:55 AM
Gameday baby!! at beautiful Brown Field.
This is a must win game and Butler really sucks this year.
Prediction: Seewald steps in a QB in the second quarter, Valpo comes back to win 34-31 in a thriller. Seewald becomes Pioneer POW, and Clarke starts at QB next week.
I have a good feeling today!
Butler's season has been highlighted by bad starts and second half comebacks usually falling short. Hopefully we jump on them early!
I'll be late to the game it seems. Maybe I'll only see Seewald at QB.
Nah!
:-)
A little windy perhaps but with 75 forecast and zero rain you really can't ask for better weather this time of year in Valpo!
Coach Miran apparently enamored with the bubble screen today which has resulted in a stunning no yards and a TD for the opposition and is there anyone on the roster or perhaps in the stands that can hit a wide open receiver for a first down. That absolutely kills this offense.
They must be importing a field 35 yards wider for the Butler offense with the space they have on every play.
Yeah coach Dave....coach moore did a great job coaching his defense in only allowing 275 on the ground and not being able to contain virtually anything on the outside. Coach Miran continued to coach his offense to 2 TDs per game which isn't going to beat anyone. That's all the QBs, or the backs, or the receivers or whoever else you want to blame.
You want to lose the respect of the team, then remove the coaches from the blame equation. How about holding everyone accountable publicly including yourself and the rest of the staff.
Not a great day and the score did not indicate how bad the outcome was. Seawald is still learning, not mobile at all but has a gun for an arm. Running game was inept. Ryan Moore was brutal. Also, the defense could not get off the field.
So, after all this, Valpo is still in the bottom third of the Pioneer conference. It is a young team, but next year, they need to get over the hump and be at least 5-6. If not, we need to access this.
Clearly Butler was the better team and showed it. In spite of that, with out the goofy interception on the first or second play, and two missed extra points by us, the score could have been much closer. I gave up with about 4 minutes to go so perhaps Butler also called off the dogs.
Here is the reality and I agree next year will be a bench mark. Coach C has had 2 1/4 recruiting years. Butler had 10 senior starters and 10 junior starters.They started senior at quarterback, we started a freshman. We had 1 senior and 9 junior starters.
Here is another reality. They have had the same head coach for 11 years. He has a total of 13 years as a head coach. Our Coach? 3 years. Systems count. We have had a revolving door of coaches. This is our third head coach while their guy has been in place. I really like Coach C. I do think he is the guy to turn this around but it is going to take another year or two.
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 29, 2016, 05:28:49 PMNot a great day and the score did not indicate how bad the outcome was. Seawald is still learning, not mobile at all but has a gun for an arm. Running game was inept. Ryan Shea was brutal. Also, the defense could not get off the field. So, after all this, Valpo is still in the bottom third of the Pioneer conference. It is a young team, but next year, they need to get over the hump and be at least 5-6. If not, we need to access this.
Seewald was all over the place most of the game. He had one stretch where he made a couple of nice throws but other than that he didn't play well at all. I don't get any of the WRs were brutal. One drop the entire game and that didn't stop any drives. edit: check that...I forgot about Ryan Moore. He dropped the pick 6. He was out of the game shortly after.
Defense couldn't stop anyone and the offense couldn't move the ball because of both interior lines.
Quote from: vu72 on October 29, 2016, 06:17:54 PMClearly Butler was the better team and showed it. In spite of that, with out the goofy interception on the first or second play, and two missed extra points by us, the score could have been much closer. I gave up with about 4 minutes to go so perhaps Butler also called off the dogs. Here is the reality and I agree next year will be a bench mark. Coach C has had 2 1/4 recruiting years. Butler had 10 senior starters and 10 junior starters.They started senior at quarterback, we started a freshman. We had 1 senior and 9 junior starters. Here is another reality. They have had the same head coach for 11 years. He has a total of 13 years as a head coach. Our Coach? 3 years. Systems count. We have had a revolving door of coaches. This is our third head coach while their guy has been in place. I really like Coach C. I do think he is the guy to turn this around but it is going to take another year or two.
There's a positive spin on things.
I like Coach C too. I just hope this young talent matures and stays.
One comment on the play which went for a pick 6, which is what I think uscvalpo was referring to as brutal.
Coach called out Ryan Moore last week after the game in his post game comments for the player coming off the field because of injury too often, I guess, in his mind. That in itself shouldn't be done. No reason at all that message should be a public admonition. Do it in private if you have to and that's also a subject which will rile up a lot of people around the team.
Today during the early part of the game Moore was targeted a number of times including the pick 6 play. Part of the mess on that play was the block which wasn't made and the defender was able to get right to Moore as he was trying to catch it. That block has to be made and the defender was blocked right into Moore as he was trying to catch it. Moore also dropped another later in the 1st quarter after watching my scrape of the game a second time. Is it possible that the player was playing through a shoulder injury which caused a few problems on the field because the coach called him out? Maybe.
I can see an argument that the team is moving forward a bit but I also think that the staff needs to be held as publicly accountable as the players have been by the head coach and it hasn't been. This was an issue last year big time and has resurfaced. Too much of a pass by some.
I would say it is gradually moving forward, but I am getting tired of hearing about how they need to learn from these experiences. There has been a lot of learning for awhile for Valpo football.
I think it's very refreshing to have a head coach that's very candid. That being said, Dave didn't call out Ryan Moore for being injured. He was simply stating it's unfortunate that he's been unable to stay on the field because he's one of the team's top receivers. Additionally for anyone to think Valpo would play an injured player, that's just not the case. I've seen numerous examples in recent years where a player has wanted to play, but was not cleared by the training staff.
Quote from: chef on October 29, 2016, 11:58:08 PMThat being said, Dave didn't call out Ryan Moore for being injured. He was simply stating it's unfortunate that he's been unable to stay on the field because he's one of the team's top receivers.
That is absolutely not how he worded it. He clearly was implying he was nicked up too much.
QuoteAdditionally for anyone to think Valpo would play an injured player, that's just not the case. I've seen numerous examples in recent years where a player has wanted to play, but was not cleared by the training staff.
I don't think that but what I do know is when a receiver has an upper body issue with his hands, arms shoulders, etc. he can be medically cleared but have a tough time doing everything he needs to to play the game effectively.
QuoteI think it's very refreshing to have a head coach that's very candid.
If the HC is not going to include himself and his staff in his criticisms of the team including praising a defensive coach for not being able to stop two plays all game to the tune 275 yards on the ground then either the coach is inept or isn't really being candid.
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 29, 2016, 10:12:01 PMI would say it is gradually moving forward, but I am getting tired of hearing about how they need to learn from these experiences. There has been a lot of learning for awhile for Valpo football.
The team is closer to being winless in PFL play then moving up in PFL play.
Another sorry showing. Missing not one, but two extra points? no excuse. Allowing 275 rushing yards at home? no excuse. What has happened to Jarett Morgan? Two years ago he looked like a player who would be a first team all-PFL player during his upperclassman years. 12 yards on 10 carries??
It's obvious how next week will go at Dayton. Can only hope we don't lose by more than 21. Gotta recoup and show some sign of dignity against Jacksonville. It's time to see results. This team has won 5 D-I games since the new coaching staff has gotten here and three of those are against the only D-I team in the entire country worse than us.
retweet from Coach:
QuoteNo excuses. No explanations. You don't win on emotion – You win on execution. – Tony Dungy
Step away from it some more coach.
Quote from: Vinny on October 30, 2016, 10:19:51 AMAnother sorry showing. Missing not one, but two extra points? no excuse. Allowing 275 rushing yards at home? no excuse. What has happened to Jarett Morgan? Two years ago he looked like a player who would be a first team all-PFL player during his upperclassman years. 12 yards on 10 carries?? It's obvious how next week will go at Dayton. Can only hope we don't lose by more than 21. Gotta recoup and show some sign of dignity against Jacksonville. It's time to see results. This team has won 5 D-I games since the new coaching staff has gotten here and three of those are against the only D-I team in the entire country worse than us.
The OL gave them nothing yesterday and Butler sold out vs. the run to make Seewald beat them and it didn't happen despite some opportunities.
Also, Jarrett's not a big kid. He's probably worn down from too many carries getting him beat up. He really needs at least another back to split carries with. Unfortunately there isn't another back on the roster who's demonstrated any sense of dynamic ability. One guy is good in short yardage and maybe should be used more in giving Jarrett a break.
Dayton's ability to run the ball should be pretty concerning considering Coach Moore's post game praised efforts vs. Butler.
I have agree that Coach C and others are buffing a turd on their performance yesterday and in their coaching behaviors.
If you look at the objectives of Valpo's football based on the charter released a few years ago, they should be competing in the PFL. They are still in the bottom third of the worst football conference in college football. It is better than it was 3 years ago, and Coach C is fixing a train wreck of a program. At least they compete in most games. Next year, they need to show significant improvement and quit talking about lessons learned.
I serious think at least a 5-6 record needs to happen next year, or Valpo needs to assess their football program.
Saw the disappointing game yesterday. We only show 4 seniors on the entire roster? I think we should forward to a much better season next year. Mistakes and inexperience cost us...the 1st qtr interception /or fumble recovery for a TD(I didn't see the play), defensive backfield, kicking game, QB. It made me all the more ready for BB.
No doubt Butler pushed us around but think of this, the defense gave up 16 points. Based on that alone we should win this game.
Indy - I agree, but the score did not indicate how the game went.
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 31, 2016, 10:45:23 AM
Indy - I agree, but the score did not indicate how the game went.
Butler should have scored a bunch more points. I only saw the second half and then had to leave. Very, very disappointing!
agree - sorry, but warm fuzzies after that game need to be limited. Valpo's performance was below expectations.
Coach C's first full recruitment class are now sophomores. He had limited impact on the juniors. We will see these lineman next year with another 15 - 20 pounds. They will also know the system. I am okay with excuses this year but starting next year they need to show they are over the hump. More importantly the coaching staff needs to show they can keep the kids motivated to come back as Juniors (unless financial issues have the kids drop).
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 30, 2016, 11:55:43 AM
I have agree that Coach C and others are buffing a turd on their performance yesterday and in their coaching behaviors.
If you look at the objectives of Valpo's football based on the charter released a few years ago, they should be competing in the PFL. They are still in the bottom third of the worst football conference in college football. It is better than it was 3 years ago, and Coach C is fixing a train wreck of a program. At least they compete in most games. Next year, they need to show significant improvement and quit talking about lessons learned.
I serious think at least a 5-6 record needs to happen next year, or Valpo needs to assess their football program.
I have to think the student enrollment - and more importantly the tens of thousands of dollars the football players have to pay for them to be able to say they're a "Division I" football player - will forever keep Valpo football up and running regardless of how inept the program may be. The tuition money brought in by football has to be of some help to the overall athletic budget, right?