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Title: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 19, 2018, 09:25:24 AM
We have a 3 game home winning streak. Let's make it 4 and send Tevonn & Max off the right way!

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Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: M on February 19, 2018, 09:35:20 AM
What's your record this year on gameposts, gotta be the best of all of us!

These are two of the best basement dweller teams out there. Hope they can carry over what they did those last 25 minutes on Saturday and roll out a great final home game!

78-68 win!
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: covufan on February 19, 2018, 10:25:11 AM
Both these teams are capable of an upset or two in Arch Madness.

Good senior day matchup.

Valpo    77
UNI        65


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Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 19, 2018, 10:31:37 AM
Quote from: M on February 19, 2018, 09:35:20 AM
What's your record this year on gameposts, gotta be the best of all of us!

haha not sure but I think I'm batting over .500 on the season.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 19, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
Aaron dropping some knowledge. Valpo's 2nd half runs have been impressive. If you remember in the UNI game at Cedar Falls, Valpo gave them a scare in the last 5 minutes. But most of the game was a blow out.

We need to start putting together a full 40 minute performances.

https://twitter.com/_amleavitt/status/965475900140683265
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: SanityLost17 on February 19, 2018, 12:23:26 PM
I actually think we match up better with Southern Illinois than we do with Northern Iowa.   However, it is a home game.   
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VUfan on February 19, 2018, 03:11:29 PM
Let's even the Record! VU 74 NIU 66 Book it!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: crusadermoe on February 19, 2018, 03:17:59 PM
Yep, nothing's easy for this team.   But I think it speaks very well of Matt that his team never quit on him and he was accurate when he said they are working hard.  They deserve this late success and I think it will retain a couple guys who would have left.

Big holes in their defense and rebounding but I salute the hustle of Max, Tevonn, Bakari and Kiser is hard to beat.   We are also seeing Markus emerge as a thread and Sorolla toughening up.    Let's just stop there.  Kudos to the seniors!

In practical terms, tonight is the key game. In practical Arch Madness terms, 8 and 9 are the same.   #7 is likely out of reach since Indiana State has the Loyola win.  But every win is a confidence builder.

Paul G.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 19, 2018, 03:27:46 PM
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/965698686633369600
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: valpopal on February 19, 2018, 04:17:39 PM

It appears UNI will be short a man.


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Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 19, 2018, 07:31:12 PM
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/965741521772400642

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=om07N5x2CGg

-Coach addresses why Mileek came out of the Loyola game after the quick start in the 2nd half. It sound like it was for defensive reasons.
-Also nice to hear Mileek is dominating at times in practice. Great to hear  :thumbsup:
-Talks about the positive steps our young guys are taking
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: M on February 19, 2018, 08:34:59 PM
That was pretty good stuff.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 19, 2018, 10:01:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/965797917209612293
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: bigmosmithfan1 on February 19, 2018, 10:15:31 PM
We haven't beaten UNI in over 30 years. Time to end that streak.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: vu72 on February 20, 2018, 06:54:18 AM
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 19, 2018, 10:15:31 PM
We haven't beaten UNI in over 30 years. Time to end that streak.

Please. You are giving the announcers another lame comment as in what was the theme of the Illinois State game broadcast.  :(
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: M on February 20, 2018, 07:20:30 AM
When two last place teams are battling it out for 9th place you've gotta have something semi interesting to mention 10-11 times in a broadcast.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: FWalum on February 20, 2018, 09:23:18 AM
At the end of last year I speculated that Tevonn would join a very elite club of 10 players in VU history that were in the top 20 in scoring and rebounding.  I looks like the bout with Mono will keep him just out of that group of special players, needing 34 more rebounds in our remaining games. He will, most likely, end up #15 in scoring and #8 in steals.  I have enjoyed immensely watching Tevonn play, he is so humble and unassuming, no chest bumps, no special handshakes, no whining when called for a foul, he just does things with intensity, effort and heart, giving as much on defense as he does on offense. Because of his humble and unassuming nature he may not have been the vocal leader this young team needed, but very few players have led by example on the floor as well as he has during his time at Valpo. 

I originally wondered whether Max would do much to contribute to VU basketball during his time here.  I didn't have very high expectations, but this last year has been a revelation and reminder of what hard work, perseverance, patience and maturity can do for a ball player.  Max has become a leader and solid contributor to this team. I truly admire his attitude and work ethic and I am sure they will serve him well in his future endeavors.

Here's to our seniors, I hope their time at Valpo has taught them to be productive and spirit led men with a servant's heart.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: oklahomamick on February 20, 2018, 09:49:20 AM
Well said FWalum.  We are lucky to have both at Valpo.  I suspect that both were not heavily recruited but our coaching staff saw something in them.  I believe Jake Diebler was big in the recruiting contribution of Tevonn and Max.  If Lottich has similar success to Bryce and decides to leave, I think Diebler should be on the radar. 
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: talksalot on February 20, 2018, 10:58:45 AM
Pre-game senior day Introductions start with 12:00 on the pre-game clock.  Post-game speeches by the seniors...
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: bigmosmithfan1 on February 20, 2018, 11:14:35 AM
Our last win over UNI? Feb. 20, 1989. A 79-70 win at the ARC. The future Mid-Con was still known as the AMCU-8. It was Homer Drew's first season as head coach. UNI and VU would only be conference mates for two more seasons, as the Panthers would depart for the Valley, only to be reunited with VU there this year.

Valpo's only other win in the series? An OT win at Hilltop Gym in Jan. 1981 in Coach Tom Smith's first season. The Crusaders are still an 0-fer all-time in Cedar Falls, something we'll have to rectify next season.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: sliman on February 20, 2018, 11:24:37 AM
I also agree with FWalum's comments and observations.  They've been a great pair.  Tevonn's defense was impressive from day one -- perhaps the best of any freshman in recent history -- and earned him immediate playing time as well as a reputation he never lost.  Let's hope the next Canadian has similar impact as these two did.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 20, 2018, 03:01:07 PM
I'm really hoping the students show up big tonight for Tevonn  and Max, as well as for the CBS Sports Network.

https://twitter.com/happeninghoops/status/966048946387849218
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 20, 2018, 03:10:18 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 20, 2018, 09:49:20 AM
If Lottich has similar success to Bryce and decides to leave, I think Diebler should be on the radar. 

A little too early for this conversation but I'd agree it sounds Diebler is Head Coach bound one day. I think he, Coach Ragland, Coach Gore (if he doesn't have a HC job at another Uni by then), and Greg Tonagel needs to be seriously considered.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: M on February 20, 2018, 05:09:47 PM
Whoever is next will already be on the staff...unless the entire staff were to be poached.

We've gone from questioning the guy to "promoting" the guy in the matter of two months!
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 20, 2018, 05:20:02 PM
It speaks resounding volumes that the team never quit on coach Lottich and the season despite all the adversity they faced. That's a credit both to the character of these young men and also to the coach.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: wh on February 20, 2018, 05:27:50 PM
Quote from: M on February 20, 2018, 05:09:47 PM
Whoever is next will already be on the staff...unless the entire staff were to be poached.

We've gone from questioning the guy to "promoting" the guy in the matter of two months!

lol is that the truth!  And, no one more fickle than me (or is it I?).  Such weak behavior for a grown adult!  :-[
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: wh on February 20, 2018, 05:38:57 PM
It's raining steadily, and has been all day.  We all know that rain and snowflakes don't mix.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: agibson on February 20, 2018, 05:54:22 PM
Quote from: wh on February 20, 2018, 05:38:57 PM
It's raining steadily, and has been all day.  We all know that rain and snowflakes don't mix.

With some flooding, but maybe no significant road closures in Valpo itself.

I'll confess that I heard at least one fan consider staying home to watch the game on TV... because of the rain.

I'll further admit that it may make me late for the game; I may wait for a car (and miss the first quarter?) instead of biking.

I do start to understand why some sports black out the local market.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: crusadermoe on February 20, 2018, 06:21:25 PM
Do the dorms generally carry that CBS Sports Net?   Or the other campus buildings?   I suspect not.     

I will cut the townies some slack.  They showed up big for the Sunday games. Besides many of them have kids whose schedules they don't control.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 20, 2018, 07:57:06 PM
Can someone fill me in. What went wrong?

https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/966128333586075648
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 20, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
Todd just said the it's not a bad student turnout tonight but a lot of the locals stayed at home tonight
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 20, 2018, 08:08:45 PM
Smits fouled and got pulled quickly
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 20, 2018, 08:16:58 PM
Valpo doesn't have a point in the First 5 minutes of the game. Smits and Sorolla are in foul trouble.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: FWalum on February 20, 2018, 08:20:05 PM
 We should be glad they aren't showing this game currently because of the overtime with Rhode Island and LaSalle. 12 turnovers in six minutes are you kidding me?


Edit: I guess I heard wrong but I think it is now 9 turnovers with 9 to go in the 1st.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 20, 2018, 08:21:22 PM
CBS Sports Network is dead to me...

I'm paying for the damn channel and I can't watch the game on the internet  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: FWalum on February 20, 2018, 08:34:29 PM
 This Rhode Island La Salle  overtime has got to be the slowest overtime ever. We will almost miss the entire 1st half.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 20, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: FWalum on February 20, 2018, 08:34:29 PM
This Rhode Island La Salle  overtime has got to be the slowest overtime ever. We will almost miss the entire 1st half.

For our sanity on the foul calls that might have been a good thing.  What's the prognosis, are we fouling or are many questionable?
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: valpopal on February 20, 2018, 08:54:18 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 20, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: FWalum on February 20, 2018, 08:34:29 PM
This Rhode Island La Salle  overtime has got to be the slowest overtime ever. We will almost miss the entire 1st half.

For our sanity on the foul calls that might have been a good thing.  What's the prognosis, are we fouling or are many questionable?


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Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 20, 2018, 09:06:11 PM
Somebody tell the student to stand!!!!!
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: FWalum on February 20, 2018, 09:15:56 PM
 Second-half Walker drives in, no foul, gets his rebound and it looks like Koch has a clean block but is then called for the foul and Jacobson goes crazy. Has Matt been going crazy with all these fouls have been called on us?
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: bigmosmithfan1 on February 20, 2018, 09:33:47 PM
This is *exactly* the problem with Matt. Two entirely different standards of contact, helping to fuel a long scoring drought, and nothing. Jacobson is working the refs and getting calls in our building.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on February 20, 2018, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: FWalum on February 20, 2018, 09:15:56 PMSecond-half Walker drives in, no foul, gets his rebound and it looks like Koch has a clean block but is then called for the foul and Jacobson goes crazy. Has Matt been going crazy with all these fouls have been called on us?

Exactly, I cant stand Lottich, he lets the refs run all over his team. Unreal, this isn't how you lead young men, STAND UP FOR YOUR GUYS AND GET A T.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: bigmosmithfan1 on February 20, 2018, 09:46:59 PM
This is the most lopsided officiating I've ever seen in a conference game.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: bigmosmithfan1 on February 20, 2018, 09:49:43 PM
Seriously, this is getting up there with the Stanford loss in Hawaii in the Sweet 16 season.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: a3uge on February 20, 2018, 09:49:51 PM
The Horizon was bad, but at least I was able to watch each conference game.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 20, 2018, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 20, 2018, 09:46:59 PM
This is the most lopsided officiating I've ever seen in a conference game.

Our PF and C are so badly outmatched that it hurts.  But the lack of fouls against UNI is getting quite annoying.  Joseph was hacked so badly that even the announcers are left questioning.

Why aren't we going at Koch to get him in foul trouble sooner than that Joseph dunk attempt!!!!????
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: NativeCheesehead on February 20, 2018, 10:07:46 PM
Officiating was poor. But talented, experienced bigs have been eating up D&J for most of the last two years.  They HAVE to get better in the offseason.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VUSL98 on February 20, 2018, 10:09:23 PM
Bigs: 1 point and 9 fouls.  Please get them on a decent meal plan in the offseason.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: bigmosmithfan1 on February 20, 2018, 10:10:04 PM
Fitting that Max clanking two FTs prevents us from getting into set where we could tie or take the lead and we lose to a team that had lost 11 straight road games on Senior Night.

The direction of this program needs serious re-evaluation.   
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: valpopal on February 20, 2018, 10:10:37 PM
Valpo outscored UNI on field goals (23-21) and on 3-pt. field goals (9-4), while the teams tied on rebounds and assists, plus Valpo only had one more turnover (12-11), yet UNI had 32 free throws to 13 for Valpo. We all saw the poor officiating, and it cannot be denied that is the difference in such a close game. I'm tired of seeing the Crusaders getting screwed by officials and Lottich not standing up to the officials more forcefully.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: truth219 on February 20, 2018, 10:11:37 PM
Quote from: VUSL98 on February 20, 2018, 10:09:23 PM
Bigs: 1 point and 9 fouls.  Please get them on a decent meal plan in the offseason.
hopefully they are on a different team next year, i see little value in them

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Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 20, 2018, 10:12:21 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNet/status/966150249004777472
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: bigmosmithfan1 on February 20, 2018, 10:13:04 PM
QuoteWhy aren't we going at Koch to get him in foul trouble sooner than that Joseph dunk attempt!!!!????

Um, we were. We just got no whistles. There was more contact on Bakari on those two missed drives near the end than *any* of the fouls on Koch during that stretch where UNI went to the line on like 8 straight trips.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: vu72 on February 20, 2018, 10:16:42 PM
When we dominate the 9th place team in the Valley, I will be heading for St. Louis.  We really laid an egg tonight, Tevonn and Max included.  We had no match for Koch and wont next year either.  I'm obviously discouraged but, I hope we can at least win a game in the Arch and make serious progress for next year.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: valpotx on February 20, 2018, 10:28:01 PM
I am glad that I missed the first 15 minutes of the game, but extremely frustrated at so many of the foul calls on guys that literally had no contact.  You could read Kiser's lips heading into a media break after a foul call on him, in that 'how is that a foul?'  I never complain about officiating, but good lord, there were quite a few phantom calls.  Also, it is ridiculous that we continue to foul 3 point shooters, and had 2 in this game!  Sorolla and Smits need to learn how to play defense.  Koch owned both of them with just a little juke here and there, enough to create space for him to get the shot over them.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 20, 2018, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 20, 2018, 10:16:42 PM
When we dominate the 9th place team in the Valley, I will be heading for St. Louis.  We really laid an egg tonight, Tevonn and Max included.  We had no match for Koch and wont next year either.  I'm obviously discouraged but, I hope we can at least win a game in the Arch and make serious progress for next year.

Koch is a 5th year senior to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: EddieCabot on February 20, 2018, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 20, 2018, 10:16:42 PM
When we dominate the 9th place team in the Valley, I will be heading for St. Louis.  We really laid an egg tonight, Tevonn and Max included.  We had no match for Koch and wont next year either.  I'm obviously discouraged but, I hope we can at least win a game in the Arch and make serious progress for next year.

Next year's team will have 7 juniors ... 4 of them will be in their 4th year of college.  They should be much better.  At a minimum, we shouldn't have to go through another season of the coach blaming poor performance on youth or inexperience.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 20, 2018, 10:41:10 PM
The officiating sucked but our bigs sucked more. We didn't play a great game and they weren't great either but Koch got every call tonight and schooled our bigs.

Neither team found any offensive flow. Well UNI did for small stretches but just a really choppy game. If this roster was another year older I think we would have won this game. I hate to hammer on it so much but our inexperience hurt us. We had a awful start to the game, which I was unable to see. Parker Hazen actually had to come in the game because of our foul situation in the 1st half. Crazy.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: NativeCheesehead on February 20, 2018, 10:55:15 PM
It is a cool thing to think about. Barring a Grad Transfer, there won't even BE a senior night next year. (At least for the players.)
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: AranJacobs on February 20, 2018, 10:57:03 PM
It didn't help our bigs that they both picked up 2 early fouls. That was a death sentence for them. Then late in the game Koch is getting foul calls on fade away hook shots from the free throw line. That's after he hooked around everybody to get open. I honestly do think we are being hazed by the officials in the first year in a new conference. Hopefully it will pass over by next year but the officials have been undeniably slated against us all conference season. The loss might actually help us in the tourney though. If we can get a win in the first round we'll draw a much more favorable matchup against team we've beaten in Southern Illinois and be able to avoid Loyola. As for the future Ive seen some games that show Sorolla and Smits have a chance, but whenever they pick up early fouls, they always have a terrible game. I am sure that most of our sophomores will take a big step going from sophomores to juniors. We also have a really solid recruiting class it looks like. Next year will certainly be an huge improvement I think, but the year after next could be amazing if we avoid injury and transfers. We'll just have to see though. I think the addition of Daniel Sackey would be great if it allows Evelyn to move to the two. He shoots very well off the ball but still has a nice drive. We have had some spurts this season at the end of games where we have looked great. It all happens when we spread it out and allow the drive and I really want to start seeing more of that cause we always seem to have a lot of success with that.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 20, 2018, 10:59:33 PM
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/966171511454404610
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: justducky on February 20, 2018, 11:16:34 PM
Quote from: truth219 on February 20, 2018, 10:11:37 PM
Quote from: VUSL98 on February 20, 2018, 10:09:23 PM
Bigs: 1 point and 9 fouls.  Please get them on a decent meal plan in the offseason.
hopefully they are on a different team next year, i see little value in them

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I was at the ARC and I walked away with some clear impressions  :o  but I will watch the replay before commenting to avoid putting my foot in my mouth.

To truth219------- I think you ought to join me.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: valpopal on February 20, 2018, 11:24:32 PM
Foul shot disparity in two games against UNI 70-29, both games were 5 point losses.  :-X
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: wh on February 20, 2018, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 20, 2018, 10:16:42 PM
When we dominate the 9th place team in the Valley, I will be heading for St. Louis.  We really laid an egg tonight, Tevonn and Max included.  We had no match for Koch and wont next year either.  I'm obviously discouraged but, I hope we can at least win a game in the Arch and make serious progress for next year.

For us to make serious progress next year, we are going to need much better play at the 5 than Smits and Sorolla appear to be capable of. Neither can score with any consistency despite being bigger than everyone they go up against, they never go after rebounds, they don't know how to be physical without fouling, they're too slow to run at a shooter, after 2 seasons they still set moving screens at least once a game, and there's almost never any flow to the offense when they're on the court. What we have are 2 mid-major back-up centers chewing up 40 of our 200 minutes. If this were professional basketball, I would put 1 on waivers and tell the orher that his new role will be backing up our new center to the tune of 8-10 min./game. Unfortunately, that's not the way it works.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: valpopal on February 21, 2018, 12:24:12 AM
Senior Night attendance, 2071, was the smallest home crowd of the year.  :(
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: chef on February 21, 2018, 12:47:41 AM
I understand the frustration with J on offense, but his defense has been stellar. He's an elite defender, which is why we shut down Bradley in the last 6 minutes on Saturday. Tough to blame him tonight, for whatever reason the officials refused to let him play defense. I think what's been extremely difficult has been the inability in so many games this year to get a fair shake from the zebras. Hopefully things will change in our second year in the league.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 21, 2018, 01:14:14 AM
Quote from: chef on February 21, 2018, 12:47:41 AM
I understand the frustration with J on offense, but his defense has been stellar. He's an elite defender

I agree for the most part. Jay is a very good defensive big man but he had a few lapses in the 2nd half (but it wasn't just him).

Smits and Jay need to take the next step in their rebounding development. They've both made strides in their own ways this season but there is a lot of room for improvement from both of them. Bigs take longer to develop then perimeter players.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: justducky on February 21, 2018, 01:39:52 AM
Quote from: chef on February 21, 2018, 12:47:41 AM
I understand the frustration with J on offense, but his defense has been stellar. He's an elite defender, which is why we shut down Bradley in the last 6 minutes on Saturday. Tough to blame him tonight, for whatever reason the officials refused to let him play defense. I think what's been extremely difficult has been the inability in so many games this year to get a fair shake from the zebras. Hopefully things will change in our second year in the league.
After watching the replay yes, Jay did play very hard defense. But Carlson and Koch (both seniors) schooled Smits and Sorolla (both sophomores). The game replay also showed the refs to be much better than my initial impression. So we fought and we hustled and we still came out far short.

We so badly need an experienced 4 and another year under our belts for all the rest. I still believe that our improvements for the 18-19 season could be explosive; but a little more snap, crackle, and pop NOW would greatly improve my mood.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 21, 2018, 06:03:17 AM
Quote from: valpopal on February 20, 2018, 11:24:32 PM
Foul shot disparity in two games against UNI 70-29, both games were 5 point losses.  :-X

UNI deserved much of the FT disparity in this game.  They simply executed while we were steps slower on defense.

Could have used a few more fouls on them, but nothing that would have made up the disparity in attempts.  Admittedly though, in a tight game that could have been the difference.

We flopped too much, that really pissed me off.  The refs saw that and called even less offensive fouls on them for that reason.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: NativeCheesehead on February 21, 2018, 07:52:02 AM
J is a good defender. Vashil was an elite defender.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: IndyValpo on February 21, 2018, 09:20:27 AM
Best foul of the night, Smits fourth I think, where he stopped Koch's elbow with his face. Personally I thought the refs were marginal at best. Despite that it was very much a winnable game. Too many good shots missed down the stretch. Max's two missed FT were huge. Had that been Bradford, this board would have been in complete meltdown.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: M on February 21, 2018, 09:43:01 AM
Koch was very good at selling minimal contact.  He isn't even that good, not sure why he gets star treatment calls.  He also just parks in the lane and got one 3 second call all night.  There were several of his jump shot free throws where he landed on the line and they let that go too.  Oh well, a winnable game we didn't win this time.  I really thought we should've gone zone in the first half, but overall I was pleased with our effort.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 21, 2018, 10:26:50 AM
Credit to Jacobson for working the refs last night. He was in their ear on pretty much every no call. I think that played an affect on some calls. Regardless Koch played really well and owned our bigs. The foul trouble was clearly affecting us.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: bigmosmithfan1 on February 21, 2018, 10:41:59 AM
Matt is way too passive with the officials. I understand him not wanting the players to get caught up in it, but then that means the coaching staff needs to be the players' advocates. There is *plenty* of middle ground between ranting and raving at the officials constantly (which I do believe does more harm than good) and just standing idly by while touch foul after touch foul gets called on your guys, only to have no whistles blown on repeated drives to the basket with much more contact, to the tune of a 20-FT deficit in your own gym.

Jacobson was riding the refs hard and getting lots of calls in our building as a result. Take a cue.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: valpopal on February 21, 2018, 10:46:59 AM
Quote from: chef on February 21, 2018, 12:47:41 AM
I think what's been extremely difficult has been the inability in so many games this year to get a fair shake from the zebras. Hopefully things will change in our second year in the league.


Chef has seen many seasons from close-up and exhibited his objectivity enough over the years that I trust him when he indicates Valpo generally has been unfairly treated by officials this season, something Paul also objectively documented in his article about foul disparity in the league.

Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: Just Sayin on February 21, 2018, 12:40:33 PM
Quote from: valpopal on February 21, 2018, 10:46:59 AM
Quote from: chef on February 21, 2018, 12:47:41 AM
I think what's been extremely difficult has been the inability in so many games this year to get a fair shake from the zebras. Hopefully things will change in our second year in the league.


Chef has seen many seasons from close-up and exhibited his objectivity enough over the years that I trust him when he indicates Valpo generally has been unfairly treated by officials this season, something Paul also objectively documented in his article about foul disparity in the league.

No respect. Sock it to me. Just a little bit. Uh huh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOUqQt3Kg0
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: SanityLost17 on February 21, 2018, 01:02:06 PM
I said before the game that I thought we match up better with Southern Illinois than Northern Iowa.    If we played Northern Iowa 10 times on a neutral floor I think we loose 7 times.   If we played Southern Illinois 10 times on a neutral floor I think we win 7 times.   

Southern Illinois fans may take offense to that.  No offense intended.  They are obviously a more well rounded team as seen by there MVC record, but head to head for some reason I think we match up well with them. 

So I figured this game for a loss.  My next bold prediction.  We beat Drake for our 1st MVC road victory.  Again, based on the eye test I think we match up better with them than a team like Northern Iowa.  Remember, I am a pessimist,  so this is indeed a bold prediction.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: valpo64 on February 21, 2018, 02:41:53 PM
I think some of us missed seeing that Matt does have  a number of conversations with the officials as they pass by our bench. I believe he has his say to the refs.  Sometimes it goes unoticed because he doesn't rant and rave like some coaches do(ex. Warddle).
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 21, 2018, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on February 21, 2018, 02:41:53 PM
I think some of us missed seeing that Matt does have  a number of conversations with the officials as they pass by our bench. I believe he has his say to the refs.  Sometimes it goes unoticed because he doesn't rant and rave like some coaches do(ex. Warddle).

It's definitely a different style. He very poised on the sideline. He'll get fired up by a big play but he won't get too angry. He's pretty tempered when disagreeing with the ref compared to many coaches. I think that's just his style. Jacobson really let it be known when he was displeased. I think he's built up some cache with the refs over the years and UNI has built a earned reputation of being fundamentally sound which may also may play into things. Working the refs for call is a art.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 21, 2018, 03:09:59 PM
Did anyone hear or see this exchange? Was Jacobson yelling at our bench?

https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/966148821649641472
https://twitter.com/brickies1988/status/966149350161297409
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: valpotx on February 21, 2018, 03:32:20 PM
Koch got bailed out by several phantom calls, so if Jacobsen was yelling at anyone, it would be the apparitions that must have been fouling him?
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: humbleopinion on February 21, 2018, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on February 21, 2018, 03:09:59 PM
Did anyone hear or see this exchange? Was Jacobson yelling at our bench?

https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/966148821649641472
https://twitter.com/brickies1988/status/966149350161297409

Yes, I saw that. I couldn't believe his whining in spite of the foul disparity.  In doing so, Jacobson has earned my opinion of him as the biggest jerk in the MVC.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: M on February 21, 2018, 05:10:54 PM
Same...I wasn't sure who he was yelling at but our coaches didn't seem to pay him any attention. I also saw him asking Lottich when Koch got hurt if Valpo was the ones that pointed it out to the officials. It appeared Matt said no.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: wh on February 21, 2018, 06:11:17 PM
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 21, 2018, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on February 21, 2018, 03:09:59 PM
Did anyone hear or see this exchange? Was Jacobson yelling at our bench?

https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/966148821649641472
https://twitter.com/brickies1988/status/966149350161297409

Yes, I saw that. I couldn't believe his whining in spite of the foul disparity.  In doing so, Jacobson has earned my opinion of him as the biggest jerk in the MVC.


He's what the class tattletale in 4th grade looks like as an adult. Constantly buzzing in the ref's ear, yelling over at Matt (insert whiny voice here), "I'm telling; you're gonna get in trouble!"  Cant exactly put my finger on it, but there's something troubling, almost creepy about his behavior and the way he stares. I also noticed that he bears a striking resemblance to Ted Bundy.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 21, 2018, 06:12:58 PM
I'm not willing to classify the guy as a jerk. We don't know him well enough to get a feel for what he's all about yet. Maybe by next season we will. The guy is one hell of a Coach and has done a good job at UNI in his tenure there. I also can't blame him for giving a ear full to the refs and trying work them for calls later in the game. That's just part of the job. I just thought it was really weird to hear he may have been yelling at our Coaches. I didn't see it and wasn't there so I can't judge. Maybe he was yelling at the refs. I was hoping Todd may have heard the exchange because he's close to the action.

The foul differential is just astonishing between the teams in the two games and it seems like it can't just be chalked up to being a young team and being step slower on everything.

I'm looking towards the future. We can't dwell on the 2 games against them. They definitely outplayed us the first 35 minutes in the 1st game and we didn't play well yesterday, regardless of possibly not getting respect with the whistle last night. Koch went off and schooled our bigs. We as a team need to improve and find consistency for a full 40 minutes. If we didn't have one of our patented 5-6 minutes stretches of not scoring the ball we probably win that game last night. We are losing a lot of close games this season.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: FWalum on February 21, 2018, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on February 21, 2018, 06:12:58 PMI was hoping Todd may have heard the exchange because he's close to the action.
In games that are broadcast by another major media outlet (and not just on ESPN3) Todd is sitting up behind the section I chairbacks, he is not down in his normal scorer's table broadcast position, so he would not have been able to hear any exchange between the two benches.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: VU2014 on February 22, 2018, 10:12:50 AM
Quote from: FWalum on February 21, 2018, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on February 21, 2018, 06:12:58 PMI was hoping Todd may have heard the exchange because he's close to the action.
In games that are broadcast by another major media outlet (and not just on ESPN3) Todd is sitting up behind the section I chairbacks, he is not down in his normal scorer's table broadcast position, so he would not have been able to hear any exchange between the two benches.


Yup. I forgot they moved the radio broadcast up to the track. The hometown radio broadcast should be able to sit at the scorers table and move the opposing team's people up top. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: talksalot on February 22, 2018, 04:16:59 PM
There was one exchange between Matt and Jacobsen that I heard ... with some confusion...

When Koch twisted his ankle late in the game, the ref's blew the whistle to stop action and the teams went to their benches... both coaches asked each other... "I thought YOU called a time out"... when neither did, they brought the players back onto the court and play continued... there was no animosity... it was just a misunderstanding caused by no signal given by the ref. 

Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: bbtds on February 22, 2018, 08:54:22 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on February 21, 2018, 02:41:53 PM
I think some of us missed seeing that Matt does have  a number of conversations with the officials as they pass by our bench. I believe he has his say to the refs.  Sometimes it goes unoticed because he doesn't rant and rave like some coaches do(ex. Warddle).

So you are saying that Matt gets his word in with the refs but it doesn't work well and should act more like Wardle, Jacobson, Hinson, etc because their ranting and raving gets the fouls called mostly in their favor.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: valpo64 on February 23, 2018, 10:30:23 AM
No, not at all.  Matt doesn't need to act like those coaches.  I think he gets his word in to the officials in his own manner.  I think some are making too big of a deal of how Matt condusts himself as he engages the officials.  Let Matt be Matt.
Title: Re: Game #30 - Tuesday Feb 20 8pm ARC - vs UNI on CBS Sports Network - Senior Night
Post by: bbtds on February 23, 2018, 02:00:31 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on February 23, 2018, 10:30:23 AM
No, not at all.  Matt doesn't need to act like those coaches.  I think he gets his word in to the officials in his own manner.  I think some are making too big of a deal of how Matt condusts himself as he engages the officials.  Let Matt be Matt.
Ok, fair enough. I love it when you use a similar quote to mine to make a point.