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Title: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: setshot on September 27, 2011, 11:25:33 AM
Valpo (#245 - Sagarin) vs. #241 Morehead this homecoming weekend.With two weeks to prepare and repair,I'll pick Valpo to beat Morehead by 7. If not and the losing streak continues,it maybe the Nov.12 game against Campbell (ranked #244) before we win our first and only game of the season. Hope not,so let's go VALPO! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: Scrub on September 27, 2011, 11:44:45 AM
Morehead 42 Valpo 17
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: vu72 on September 27, 2011, 12:50:16 PM
Valpo 24 Morehead 21
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: valpopal on September 27, 2011, 12:53:33 PM
I agree that this is our best chance for a win until the Campbell game (or possibly one of the other two November games). I am going with my heart this Homecoming weekend, and I will pick Valpo to break the losing streak in front of a stadium of alums with whom I hope to party after the game:

Morehead - 31
Valpo - 35
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: historyman on September 27, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
I too agree that Valpo will break the losing streak finally. And as you all know this is going out on a limb. But Valpo always seems to come up with one good game every year and I believe this is the one. Last year they lost 21-19 and that was their best game. The offense is better this year and has not been shut out once despite the lopsided scores against YSU and Duquesne.

Valpo          37
Morehead St.  35

Valpo survives by kicking 2 field goals in the 4th quarter, the winning field goal coming in the last 2 minutes of play.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: covufan on September 27, 2011, 01:47:49 PM
 

Valpo  -  31
Morehead  - 38
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: covufan on September 27, 2011, 01:49:16 PM
Quote from: historyman on September 27, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
I too agree that Valpo will break the losing streak finally. And as you all know this is going out on a limb. But Valpo always seems to come up with one good game every year and I believe this is the one. Last year they lost 21-19 and that was their best game. The offense is better this year and has not been shut out once despite the lopsided scores against YSU and Duquesne.

Valpo          37
Morehead St.  35

Valpo survives by kicking 2 field goals in the 4th quarter, the winning field goal coming in the last 2 minutes of play.

Wasn't it Drake we lost by 21-19. 
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: valpotx on September 27, 2011, 01:53:17 PM
I sure hope we win, as we are getting close to the all-time top 10 losing streaks for NCAA football...

Valpo 27  Morehead St. 20
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: Crusader65 on September 27, 2011, 02:00:30 PM
Morehead lost to San Diego 48-44 last weekend allowing 28 points in the 4th quarter at their home opener.  I'm sure that will be a tough mindset to overcome on a roadtrip to a Homecoming and bye week prepared Valpo.  Going with my heart and the young guns playing more -

Valpo 35 - Morehead State 17   :cheers:
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: historyman on September 27, 2011, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: covufan on September 27, 2011, 01:47:49 PM
Morehead is also coming off a bye week.  

Valpo  -  31
Morehead  - 38


According to the Morehead State athletics website they played and lost to San Diego last week 48-44 in their first Pioneer League game.

http://www.msueagles.com/schedule.aspx?path=football& (http://www.msueagles.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&)

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Wasn't it Drake we lost by 21-19. 

Yes, the Drake loss on September 25, 2010, the Homecoming game was the 21-19 loss.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: KL31NY on September 27, 2011, 03:02:16 PM
Quote from: valpopal on September 27, 2011, 12:53:33 PM
I agree that this is our best chance for a win until the Campbell game (or possibly one of the other two November games). I am going with my heart this Homecoming weekend, and I will pick Valpo to break the losing streak in front of a stadium of alums with whom I hope to party after the game

Quote from: historyman on September 27, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
I too agree that Valpo will break the losing streak finally. And as you all know this is going out on a limb. But Valpo always seems to come up with one good game every year and I believe this is the one. Last year they lost 21-19 and that was their best game.

I echo your thoughts as well. Morehead's only win is against Kentucky Christian, one of the little sister's of the poor from the NAIA, and they've blown 4th quarter leads in their last two games. Combined with VU's bye week, I see this as a great chance to snap the streak. If VU can get a good start or maybe benefit from another MSU choke-job, they could narrowly escape with a much-needed win.

My prediction: Valpo 42, Morehead State 41
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: new2ff on September 27, 2011, 06:48:59 PM
Ky. Christian has first year coach, the great NFL player Mike Furrey, I think they will get better. He was a great NFL player & fine young man.

I hope Valpo can pull one out this week, but I think they will have to put up a lot of points to do it. This will be a shootout.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: vu72 on September 27, 2011, 08:24:50 PM
Quote from: new2ff on September 27, 2011, 06:48:59 PM
Ky. Christian has first year coach, the great NFL player Mike Furrey, I think they will get better. He was a great NFL player & fine young man.

I hope Valpo can pull one out this week, but I think they will have to put up a lot of points to do it. This will be a shootout.

Defense has for the most part not been a big part of the Pioneer League.  When we last won the championship we beat Morehead State something like 52-48. Given our leaky defense, if we are to win, if will have to be a shootout.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: vuweathernerd on September 28, 2011, 10:59:24 AM
valpo 31-21.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: cornonthe on October 01, 2011, 01:04:54 AM
Morehead St 42
Valparaiso 35
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: milanmiracle on October 01, 2011, 01:01:31 PM
Morehead State 49 VU 30. Morehead actually has a win, and this could be their only opportunity for another one this year as well. I think VU keeps it interesting but falls just short.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: vuweathernerd on October 01, 2011, 02:42:41 PM
it was 7-7 early on, but since then all morehead. 28-7 morehead at the break.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: valporun on October 01, 2011, 03:03:02 PM
I know we want the best from the guys on the field right now, but it might be time to put in some younger guys that could use game reps, rather than practice reps to prove they can help this team. I mean we tied the game at 7 early, then our defense gave up that second touch, and our offense just seemed to deflate...
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: agibson on October 01, 2011, 03:19:35 PM
Touchdown!
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: setshot on October 01, 2011, 04:17:47 PM
38-14. Hell, we kept our opponent under 40 pts. for the first time this year. We're on our way. Watch out SD and Butler,Valpo's on a roll. :'(
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: vu72 on October 01, 2011, 04:33:12 PM
Not to make excuses, but we do need to keep the following in mind:

Our leading Rusher:  Gabe Ali-Eli       Freshman

Our leading Passer:  Eric Hoffman  Freshman

Our leading Receiver:  Tanner Kuramata  Freshman

Our leading All Purpose:  Kelven Smarwt  Freshman

Add to that that our leading tackler today was John Edwards with 16. And he is a:  yep, you guessed it, a Freshman

Patience, I think will be at a premium, but you can see that the cupboard was pretty empty.

Is the Hawaiian kid still on the team?  Couldn't find him on the roster but maybe I just missed him.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: valpotx on October 01, 2011, 05:18:46 PM
24th loss in a row, hopefully we break this streak this year, getting closer to being in top 10 all-time losing streaks.  Some positives from the defense in making them punt 11 times
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: humbleopinion on October 01, 2011, 06:02:04 PM
I had heard that Coach Carlson was going to go with more freshmen today.

I made it to the second half.  I'm not sure if Morehead had pulled its starters, but the game was not painful to watch at all.  There was no doubt about the outcome, but there were some sparks on either side of the ball.  Morehead drove the ball down the field in five or six plays to open the half, but Valpo limited them to a field goal the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: valpopal on October 01, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
Quote from: humbleopinion on October 01, 2011, 06:02:04 PM
I had heard that Coach Carlson was going to go with more freshmen today.


I have also been told by players that Carlson is intentionally playing freshmen and sophomores more to get them the experience.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: setshot on October 01, 2011, 07:33:51 PM
I've heard that the kid from Hawaii went back to the islands. It seems that he didn't get lei'd when he arrived in Valpo. Those of us that have been to Hawaii know that you get lei'd when you get off the plane. I still have my garland and so does my wife. Too bad!
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: sectionee on October 01, 2011, 09:03:50 PM
38-14 final.  Only 50 some rush yards.  Keep on working and improving.  They'll get there eventually.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: TripleT on October 04, 2011, 10:14:38 AM
Clearly, someone of you weren't in attendance at the game on Saturday.  If so you'd realize a few things:

Carlson is not only using Freshman/RS Freshman, that's just his excuse; perhaps to cover his base (or even his job).  Check out the roster #3, #4, #8 and #89 are upperclassman and not ONE of them made any plays.  Carlson is sticking with the same players with limited talent that have been dragging this team in the mud for years. Where are the leaders, the playmakers?  Well they're on the team and certainly some of them are true freshman like #84, #5 and #44.  But just watching the body language on Saturday it's obvious they are frustrated and disengaged.

Secondly, it was homecoming and the stands were filled with alumni.  If Carlson believes he needs donors and benefactors to help support the program, well he blew that.  Why would anyone toss money at a program where the coaching staff (and players) are struggling?  Heck, he didn't even realize the need to make any changes to the offense even thought the QB and offense couldn't advance the ball at all. This is Carlson's 2nd year and he has YET to bring in at least one win. 

I often visit Valpo for a few games and I'm an avid college football fan.  I was at the game on Saturday with a few friends that happen to be alumni of the University.  I've been hopeful for Valpo and in fact I like to see the underdog finally win one. But after Saturdays game I have to be realistic, its not gonna happen under Carlson.  He can only blame the players so much at some point he needs to take a look in the mirror.

The best coach regardless of the players can produce a win.  Well, in this case it won't happen this year as Valpo will clearly be 0-11 – AGAIN.

Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: Football Fan on October 05, 2011, 06:34:35 PM
 ???I agree...unfortunately, it is more of the same.  After watching this team for the past two years, I wonder why the coach isn't looking at his stats and seeing...yes, some freshmen are doing some good things.....but what about those kids who have paid their dues and play well, then get mothballed for whatever reason?

I respectufully suggest that you look at who can throw, who can run the ball, who can catch the ball, and who can run down the other team's offense........put those young men on the field.  They are there....we see flashes of them.  Coupled with the youngsters, something good could happen.  Do you have the best kids on the field for special teams?

Look around coach........look at the sidelines where some of your best players are platooned.  They could be utilized to help this team win.  Young isn't always better.  Analyze the stats and see who is going forward, who is getting the job done.  Use them.......or, unfortunately, you will lose them if they continue to be sidelined by youngsters.
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: Football Fan on October 05, 2011, 06:43:01 PM
From VU 72:
"Not to make excuses, but we do need to keep the following in mind:

Our leading Rusher:  Gabe Ali-Eli       Freshman

Our leading Passer:  Eric Hoffman  Freshman

Our leading Receiver:  Tanner Kuramata  Freshman

Our leading All Purpose:  Kelven Smarwt  Freshman

Add to that that our leading tackler today was John Edwards with 16. And he is a:  yep, you guessed it, a Freshman

Patience, I think will be at a premium, but you can see that the cupboard was pretty empty."

I believe there are some powerful ingredients on the shelves in that football closet.  All the cook has to do is learn how to mix the ingredients.   
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: milanmiracle on October 06, 2011, 08:30:32 AM
My concern has been this since day 1...

Is he trying to make lasagna when he has ingredients for beef stew? I have some concerns with "system" coaches that can only play one style regardless of the abilities and skills of the players on the roster.

Are the players given the best chance to win the next game they play (not next year)?
Title: Re: Football vs. Morehead
Post by: valpotx on October 06, 2011, 09:42:59 AM
Who is to say the older players are better than the younger ones?  Based on the previous season before Carlson, we weren't winning games with those players either.  We have to remember that SO, JR, and SR classes were recruited by the previous coach, which really led to last year and this year.  It is very common for a new coach to play those that he recruited, but I am sure considerations were given to the more experienced players before playing FR/SO.