Well someone needed to start this thread so here you go.
The key to this game will be defending ISUb's backcourt. Barnes and Key can really fill it up and Neese is dangerous as well.
ISU tries to find ways to get Barnes going
MVC co-leader Valparaiso visits Hulman Center at 7 p.m. Wednesday
By Todd Aaron Golden Tribune-Star
https://www.tribstar.com/sports/local_college_sports/isu_sports/isu-tries-to-find-ways-to-get-barnes-going/article_692e7b72-aae6-5cff-a5ec-0f2c020334f3.html
Valpo 71
ISUb 67
Indiana State listed as 3-point favorites.
MEN'S BASKETBALL: Stellar work ethic defines Kiser's role with Valparaiso
Paul Oren Times Correspondent Jan 22, 2019
https://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/men-s-basketball-stellar-work-ethic-defines-kiser-s-role/article_9f008944-c822-5049-bba2-49e09a7b7081.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-2
66-65 winner
Status on Fazekas? Article says that he likely is out.
Post play vs. Guard Play....
We need to score a lot in the paint with or post players and shoot 3's primarily on sickouts. They need to hit a high percentage from 3 and drive the basketball to the hoop with their really good guards.
Makes it tough to predict because their guards are that good and if they are hot from 3 they can beat a lot of teams.
It will be close, not sure who wins, but they are home so I think Vegas has it about right.
It's clear (and mostly accurate) Vegas just gives a large bias to the home team. ISUr visiting Bradley tonight is a pick em.
I just realized that Indiana State is the only MVC school on eastern time zone.
Quote from: humbleopinion on January 23, 2019, 02:07:16 PMI just realized that Indiana State is the only MVC school on eastern time zone.
Evansville's not on Eastern time?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 23, 2019, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: humbleopinion on January 23, 2019, 02:07:16 PMI just realized that Indiana State is the only MVC school on eastern time zone.
Evansville's not on Eastern time?
Terre Haute is in Vigo County.
(https://c.tadst.com/gfx/750w/indiana-county-map.png?1)
Makes zero sense. I'm in Nashville and I am on Central time while Vigo County is on Eastern? ???
Quote from: vu72 on January 23, 2019, 03:18:50 PM
Makes zero sense. I'm in Nashville and I am on Central time while Vigo County is on Eastern? ???
It doesn't make sense that most of Indiana is in the Eastern time zone.
Almost every year, a lawmaker wants to propose a bill to put the whole state on Central time. That would make the most sense.
It's ridiculous that kids all over the state have to go to school in the dark from November through basically February.
Quote from: vu72 on January 23, 2019, 03:18:50 PM
Makes zero sense. I'm in Nashville and I am on Central time while Vigo County is on Eastern? ???
Indiana time has never made sense. I grew up east of Valpo during the time that Northwest Indiana was on Central time and observed DST while most surrounding counties were on Eastern time and not using DST. A town 10 miles away where we shopped and saw doctors was an hour ahead for half the year and in sync for the other half. Crazy.
I think these states that are partially on Eastern and central time need to just pick one and be done. The State should be uniform in this regard. I don't care which one they pick but they should absolutely make a choice.
Holy heck what middle school are these announcers from?
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 23, 2019, 06:01:56 PM
Holy heck what middle school are these announcers from?
I honestly prefer our student radio announcers to these guys. Our students do a great job. They are much better than ISU's announcers.
Sorolla looks extremely timid. I count 3 times he should have gone up with a shot and didn't. Shots aren't falling early but a great block by Freeman.
Nice flop on that change call against Jay.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 23, 2019, 06:12:49 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 23, 2019, 06:01:56 PM
Holy heck what middle school are these announcers from?
I'm trying to be rude but I honestly prefer our student radio announcers, who do a great job. They are much better than ISU's announcers.
TuneIn radio for Todd Ickow call and mute the tv.
Maybe I'm just annoyed that we look terrible but I'm finding this almost unlistenable.
Why are we so bad tonight? It can't be the crowd It's like a church service in there
This is embarrassing We look at times scared and indecisive at times totally out of control Indiana State is a fine team but we're making far too many mistakes We need to cut into this deficit
Has Smits ever seen a double team before...sheesh. This is getting ugly early. Maybe this and 1 will get them going.
Better get Gritty now or it's all over
We just look terrrrible
We were overdue for a sub par performance.
This is Ball State all over again. Absolutely unacceptable. Each player in a brown Jersey to a man should be embarrassed and ashamed tonight. Indiana State is a very solid defensive team but this shouldn't be happening Somebody step up and show some grit
QuoteWe were overdue for a sub par performance.
We just had one last Tuesday at Loyola. This is awful. Completely lethargic, but some of this is on Lottich. We only have three guys on the floor who are capable of scoring, and two of them aren't hitting anything, and the other looks afraid to drive.
Who are these guys and what did they do with our team. They don't look like they've ever played basketball before.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 23, 2019, 06:37:44 PMWe were overdue for a sub par performance.
Loyola didn't count?
I swear we have two teams. Terrible first half. Makes me sick. No effort. Lazy. Turnover City! Get on the bus and go home if you don't wanna play. Pathetic. And against a team that's struggled!!! ESP. On defense. 9 turnovers in the first half. One made 3. I like the brown jerseys but tonight we look like a bunch of lazy turds 💩 floating around a 🚽
Reflections at the half:
1. Points off turnovers kill us.
2. Sorrolla is lost on offense.
3. Bakari can't pass or shoot.
4. No one is the go-to guy on offense.
5. We go to Smits inside early in the half and then for some reason, we forget that it works.
6. If it weren't for some decent defense, we'd be down by 20.
We were concerned about their outside shooting and instead we're getting killed inside The good news is we're close enough that we have a shot if we come out on a run the bad news is they've done this without Barnes doing anything. I can't imagine he'll be silent the whole game.
Whoever honestly believes "we're due for a poor performance" ... what does that even mean? Like, seriously I'm asking. Is that a thing? Are we OK with that?
As for me, idk what that means and don't roll like that. Grit ... tenacity ... energy ... effort ... those don't take off days. Shots not falling? Sure. That'll come in ebbs and flows. But not effort. Not basketball IQ.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 23, 2019, 06:37:44 PM
We were overdue for a sub par performance.
That Loyola game was sub par in my book. This game is just a complete lack of attention to detail and sloppy play. We look completely flat
Not sure Loyola was as much a sub par performance on our part as a dominating one on theirs. But point taken.
Dunno what's worse. Our play or the announcers on ESPN. I'm assuming they're students but jeez....
Bad call on Freeman. The baseline ref called the foul when no vision of the clean jump ball.
It is a shame we weren't able to take advantage of a very week road crowd. Won't see many of those this year.
QuoteOur play or the announcers on ESPN. I'm assuming they're students but jeez....
They're doing their best and you gotta start somewhere, but kinda surprised they went with a student crew for an ESPN3 game instead of one behind the ESPN+ paywall. I mean, Ball State will use student crews too, but they're one of the top sports broadcasting schools in the country. ISU is...not.
Though the choppiness of the stream is way more of a concern to me.
"overdue for a sub par performance" means that you can only be gritty for so long before wearing down mentally and physically. Games every 3 days, bus rides and classes.
Have to be able to break down teams with tactics and shooting rather than gritty.
Bakari >:( >:( >:( :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Two offensive rebounds this possession that we've just stood and stared at.
Sorolla absolutely sucks tonight He's the main reason we're in this hole. It's a shame. Just when he really looked like he was getting better.
Derrik must have have let the good press go to his head. He is getting WORKED on defense tonight.
They're making plays that we're used to seeing our guys make that's really disappointing
Absolutely zero defensive effort this half.
#5 Kessinger is a big flopper.
turnover city
Time to see the twin towers. why not?
Embarrassing loss tonight.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 23, 2019, 07:20:41 PM"overdue for a sub par performance" means that you can only be gritty for so long before wearing down mentally and physically. Games every 3 days, bus rides and classes. Have to be able to break down teams with tactics and shooting rather than gritty.
Excuses. These kids know what they signed up for as student athletes. Effort cannot and should not ever wane throughout a season and that's what we're seeing tonight an absolute absence of effort and that is not acceptable. Just an absolutely embarrassing performance tonight. Paging Ryan Fazekas Your presence is urgently requested
Is there a good reason why Smits tries to lay everything in (leaving him open to missed bunnies like tonight) instead of just dunking the damn thing whenever he gets the chance?
7 min left and looks like the boys have thrown in the towel. Good job.
A terrible performance by everyone....Bakari should get his head out of his rear end and at least act like he cares. Why is he getting so much playing time the way he he performing tonight? Matt needs to chew some you know what and fire these guys up. They are playing like they don't give a damn, to be blunt about it. I am going to watch Bradley kick IL ST. At least the Redbirds act like they want to win...some of the time.
Forget twin towers. Time to get the guys in who never play. Save the legs.
Absolutely pathetic how we still make passes without first looking if there is a defender in wait, and also just half ass the pass to our guy. How about teaching them to throw with emphasis on every single pass, and to look before passing? WTF....
Quote7 min left and looks like the boys have thrown in the towel. Good job.
This looks like the Tom Smith years. Fall behind and then just pack it in. No fight at all.
Ok, I'm going to watch Bryce vs.#1 ranked Tennessee. Currently they are tied with 9 minutes to go.
The ugly brown jerseys that look like feces are symbolic of the teams play tonight
Frustrating to watch....
Because we are better than this!!!
Starters so far Smits 14 pts...other 4 starters combined for 14 pts....
Golder 6
Freeman 4
Kiser 4
Sackey 0
can't win games if we can not score.
No effort from our guys over the last 15 minutes...
The sad part is I don't think Indiana State is that good.
When we decide to suck we don't mess around. We reeeealy suck. Both half's, every phase. Nothing to do but try to get off the court without getting anybody hurt.
Move on to the next game and hope the real team shows up. Maybe remind them the object is to put the ball in the basket, not just hand it to the other team.
Why are some of the starters still on the floor? Jeez, Matt. Be smart here.
I can think of a word that rhymes with gritty to describe tonight's effort. They better come ready to play Saturday night because they darn sure weren't ready tonight. Might be time to change up the lineup again but I can't think of how exactly it should look
Never mind. We only dressed 9 tonight. That's why some starters are still in.
"Be smart" is replaced with hard work and gritt.
This was an embarrassing and disgusting effort tonight. They should have stayed in Valpo tonight because they sure didn't show up in Terre Haute. Terrible!
Someone else needs to start the game thread for Drake game this Saturday.
At least Bradley beat Illinois State, so we are in second place for another few days.
Oh ok - I forgot ... we always have to make excuses. Duh - they're in class. My mistake. And, they play basketball games. Embarrassing on my behalf - my apologies.
I think its very telling that Malik did not play very many minutes despite the game being out of reach.
Quote from: valpotx on January 23, 2019, 08:02:55 PM
At least Bradley beat Illinois State, so we are in second place for another few days.
Like we are in second place for another few days!
3rd through 10 is not far behind.
Exactly sums up my thoughts - at least we put 100% into packing it in on nights like this lol.
It's not the loss. I've accepted that'll happen here and there. It's the way they lost ...
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1088258312972451840
Glad to hear that ML agrees. I also don't care about losing on the road in conference to a decent team, but to lose like that, and not seem to be hustling or giving any indications that it bothers you? I have to challenge someone's drive in such a circumstance.
This worries me How are we supposed to get fans excited to come out for the Drake game when we got absolutely freight trained two of our last three games and this last one didn't seem to bother anyone but Coach Lottich? I fear we'll see another disappointingly lean crowd.... And it's not the community's fault. How are they supposed to care if the players don't?
Cripe.
Wasn't going to drink tonight. Thanks Lottich. You owe me a bottle of bourbon.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 23, 2019, 09:08:03 PM
Wasn't going to drink tonight. Thanks Lottich. You owe me a bottle of bourbon.
This loss isn't on Lottich. The players didn't show up to play. The coaches can't play for them. They had no energy. I don't think this game was a lost because a lack of preparation. Maybe you can get on the coaches for not getting these guys in a game day "mindset", but that is most on the leaders of this team. That is the upperclassmen for not getting their team in frame of mind to play today. Players need hold each other accountable.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 23, 2019, 08:26:43 PM
This worries me How are we supposed to get fans excited to come out for the Drake game when we got absolutely freight trained two of our last three games and this last one didn't seem to bother anyone but Coach Lottich? I fear we'll see another disappointingly lean crowd.... And it's not the community's fault. How are they supposed to care if the players don't?
Loyola is down 10 at MSU in the 2nd half. Valpo could still be tied for 1st place heading into the Drake game ... hopefully that helps with the crowd, if promoted properly.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 23, 2019, 08:26:43 PM
This worries me How are we supposed to get fans excited to come out for the Drake game when we got absolutely freight trained two of our last three games and this last one didn't seem to bother anyone but Coach Lottich? I fear we'll see another disappointingly lean crowd.... And it's not the community's fault. How are they supposed to care if the players don't?
I Don't think fans are not coming out to Saturdays game because of this loss. In fact I think more fans will be at the Arc than we expect. (3,500 +) just a crazy felling. Drake won their last 3 including tonight against Evansville. They are going to come in looking to play. Valpo needs to put this game behind them and focus on Saturday. Saturday's game will define this program. Win we may be for real this year...loose and well we may have to call Houston for we have a problem.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 23, 2019, 09:08:03 PM
Wasn't going to drink tonight. Thanks Lottich. You owe me a bottle of bourbon.
Me too. Scotch please.
That just makes me even madder. That means if that scored holds that we pissed away a golden opportunity tonight because we couldn't be bothered to even meet basic expectations and do our job even remotely competently tonight. Our laziness may have cost us sole possession of first place. Let this be a lesson and a wake-up call so that we never stoop to such a sorry level of effort.
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 23, 2019, 09:15:35 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 23, 2019, 08:26:43 PM
This worries me How are we supposed to get fans excited to come out for the Drake game when we got absolutely freight trained two of our last three games and this last one didn't seem to bother anyone but Coach Lottich? I fear we'll see another disappointingly lean crowd.... And it's not the community's fault. How are they supposed to care if the players don't?
Loyola is down 10 at MSU in the 2nd half. Valpo could still be tied for 1st place heading into the Drake game ... hopefully that helps with the crowd, if promoted properly.
Loyola now down 22 with 11 minutes left.
If that scored holds we could have been sitting all alone in first place... Good job Good effort Crusaders...
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 23, 2019, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 23, 2019, 09:15:35 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 23, 2019, 08:26:43 PM
This worries me How are we supposed to get fans excited to come out for the Drake game when we got absolutely freight trained two of our last three games and this last one didn't seem to bother anyone but Coach Lottich? I fear we'll see another disappointingly lean crowd.... And it's not the community's fault. How are they supposed to care if the players don't?
Loyola is down 10 at MSU in the 2nd half. Valpo could still be tied for 1st place heading into the Drake game ... hopefully that helps with the crowd, if promoted properly.
Loyola now down 22 with 11 minutes left.
Down 27 with 6:23 to go.
It's stupid to play what if. The fact of the matter is that Valpo and Loyola are still tied for fist place because both teams were embarrassed tonight.
Looks like all road teams lost tonight and the 2 top dawgs by a combind 52 points :crazy:
MS 70 Loyola 35 final. Drives home the fact that this conference is wide open and anybody can beat anybody.
Quote from: nkvu on January 23, 2019, 09:56:15 PM
MS 70 Loyola 35 final. Drives home the fact that this conference is wide open and anybody can beat anybody.
Loyola only had 11 points in the second half, grabbed just 9 rebounds in the whole game: and I thought Valpo's play was embarrassing tonight! :o
Must be the blood moon.
Searching for answers: Valparaiso suffers 'uninspired' road loss against Indiana State
Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
January 23, 2019
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-spt-mens-basketball-valparaiso-indiana-state-st-0124-story.html
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1088286192179863552
Quote from: nkvu on January 23, 2019, 09:56:15 PMMS 70 Loyola 35 final. Drives home the fact that this conference is wide open and anybody can beat anybody.
https://loyolaramblers.com//news/2019/1/23/mens-basketball-ramblers-winning-streak-snapped-with-70-35-loss-at-missouri-state.aspx
"I can promise you: we're going to look at the film and guys will be challenged."--Matt Lottich
Sounds like we can expect a better effort on Saturday.
I heard it suggested that players are tired of seeing the offense run through Smits. I don't understand that if true. I thought everyone got plenty of touches it's just that not many played well.
Bring your signs on Saturday folks because it appears that our Crusaders need a reminder of what's gotten them to this first place tie and what's expected of them.
Let's get back to basics back to the fundamentals of who we are. Go Valpo! Get gritty and Stay gritty.
If the players are tired of running the offense through Smits, they need to take a hard look at themselves, as their shooting is not giving us any alternatives. If we have no inside game, they don't get open looks, and they have proven that they can't create their own shot for an open 3, though Golder has that fall-away 2 perfected, similar to Tevonn.
Happy to hear he said it like it is - we were embarrassed. The up and down Jeckle and Hyde attitude of this team is inexcusable. They fought harder last year when they were in last place!!!!
Playing like they've got nothing to win. Ex: Sarolla at one point literally caught a pass while standing out of bounds. And proceeded to just stand there. Those were the kind of thoughtless things that happened all night long. Not just him - you get the point.
I don't get that. You CAN control effort. And I don't see how basketball IQ can come and go from this team.
We have a lot of experience on the court. No excuses anymore for this kind of crap. Good for calling it for what it is and not sugarcoating it, Lottich.
Turned the game off. I think we desperately need fazekas back, soon. Without him, and on the road, we are a dumpster fire. Valpo had no business being on that court. IN state was hardly .500 and looked like the globetrotters out there running circles around us.
Quote from: elephtheria47 on January 24, 2019, 07:41:00 AM
Turned the game off. I think we desperately need fazekas back, soon. Without him, and on the road, we are a dumpster fire. Valpo had no business being on that court. IN state was hardly .500 and looked like the globetrotters out there running circles around us.
Bingo. He changes everything. Kiser is a good player but when he catches a pass in the corner you know he isn't going to shoot it. Ryan will shoot it and make it 50% of the time. That makes the zone far less effective and opens up the middle. We just don't have another shooter like Ryan.
As for last night, Bakari should have been benched. I saw Matt about jump out of the gym on one of Bakari's terrible passes. It was a real $hit show to be sure.
Quote from: vu72 on January 24, 2019, 08:18:06 AM
Quote from: elephtheria47 on January 24, 2019, 07:41:00 AM
Turned the game off. I think we desperately need fazekas back, soon. Without him, and on the road, we are a dumpster fire. Valpo had no business being on that court. IN state was hardly .500 and looked like the globetrotters out there running circles around us.
Bingo. He changes everything. Kiser is a good player but when he catches a pass in the corner you know he isn't going to shoot it. Ryan will shoot it and make it 50% of the time. That makes the zone far less effective and opens up the middle. We just don't have another shooter like Ryan.
As for last night, Bakari should have been benched. I saw Matt about jump out of the gym on one of Bakari's terrible passes. It was a real $hit show to be sure.
Obviously, the team has higher upside potential when it's leading scorer is playing. Unfortunately, that fact doesn't belong in last night's story line.
Big game against Drake this weekend. I doubt they will care about our Fazekas excuse... You know, since they lost their best player for the season.
I don't mind that we lost, it was a road game against a team who is better than their record indicates.
There were several minutes when we tried to go with Sackey , Lavender and a big. Immediately ISU went zone and we are stuck with almost no outside threats. Good recognition by ISU but you can't win anywhere with only 2 3-point shooters on the floor.
Quote from: justducky on January 24, 2019, 09:10:26 AM
There were several minutes when we tried to go with Sackey , Lavender and a big. Immediately ISU went zone and we are stuck with almost no outside threats. Good recognition by ISU but you can't win anywhere with only 2 3-point shooters on the floor.
When you think about it, we start four guys who are all pretty bad shooters. Jevon included as he is now shooting 29% from the 3. Sackey and Kiser are both at 25%. Why wouldn't you play zone and sag back like teams use to do when Buggs was our point? Then we bring in Bakari at 31% and Lavender at 28%. Guess what? Teams have now seen us and know that as long as Fazekas is out they have a clear path to beating us.
Paul mentioned that Matt Kenney was attending the game last night. Too bad this was the Valpo game he got to see in person this season. He must have been puzzled by the "Gritty" label attached to this team, especially since Matt was truly gritty when on the court, and his 2012-2013 team (Kenney, Van Wijk, Broekhoff, Capobianco, Boggs, Bogan, Dority, Fernandez, Buggs, Coleman) set the Valpo bar for grittiness!
No reason not run offense through Smits. He is playing well, or at least better than ever before, and has a huge upside. The other players are what they are except for Jevon's huge upside.
We won't contend for the title or bid if Smits doesn't continue to raise his game. We need to give him every chance to show consistency at the high level rather than experimenting with offensive flows later in the year. Keep it up, Matt.
Quote from: vu72 on January 24, 2019, 09:39:05 AM
Quote from: justducky on January 24, 2019, 09:10:26 AM
There were several minutes when we tried to go with Sackey , Lavender and a big. Immediately ISU went zone and we are stuck with almost no outside threats. Good recognition by ISU but you can't win anywhere with only 2 3-point shooters on the floor.
When you think about it, we start four guys who are all pretty bad shooters. Jevon included as he is now shooting 29% from the 3. Sackey and Kiser are both at 25%. Why wouldn't you play zone and sag back like teams use to do when Buggs was our point? Then we bring in Bakari at 31% and Lavender at 28%. Guess what? Teams have now seen us and know that as long as Fazekas is out they have a clear path to beating us.
I will define "chucker" as any player who can instantly recognize an opportunity and confidently let it fly. Hypothetically this team could be vastly improved if we had one. "Chuckers" when hot, open up better shots for the guys who actually think before they shoot "thinkers". Right now our perimeter is manned by "thinkers" and "over-thinkers". While I am willing to concede that Bradford can be an "over-chucker", I think his availability could have benefited us last night. ;)
Teams are stupid if they don't at least start vs Valpo in the zone or at minimum double team Smith every single time he touches the ball until the Crusaders prove they are hitting shots outside. Also, sounds like we need to recruit some shooters.
While I have been one of the most out-spoken contributors to the poor effort last night, I guess we still do have to remember that while we do have some experience we still have alot of in-experience on the floor...2 frosh guards , Kiser who has not seen that much action, Lavender who is new to the team, plus the fact that Fazekas is out. Every game is a new challenge so let's forget the past one and concentrate on Drake. Remember we still are in first place.
If we think our loss was embarrassing, what about the Loyola faithful. Now THAT loss was embarrassing!
Quote from: M on January 24, 2019, 12:00:07 PM
Teams are stupid if they don't at least start vs Valpo in the zone or at minimum double team Smith every single time he touches the ball until the Crusaders prove they are hitting shots outside. Also, sounds like we need to recruit some shooters.
Until Fazekas returns I would expect everybody to show us at least some spot zone looks. As for recruiting more shooters how have our redshirts shot from 3 in the past and in practice?
Quote from: justducky on January 24, 2019, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: M on January 24, 2019, 12:00:07 PM
Teams are stupid if they don't at least start vs Valpo in the zone or at minimum double team Smith every single time he touches the ball until the Crusaders prove they are hitting shots outside. Also, sounds like we need to recruit some shooters.
Until Fazekas returns I would expect everybody to show us at least some spot zone looks. As for recruiting more shooters how have our redshirts shot from 3 in the past and in practice?
Both Eron and Nick shot 35% from the 3 their last year playing. That's better than everybody other than Ryan and Marcus.
I don't know how much zone INSU played last night, because I watched some and listened to some in the car. That said, was it purely a zone or was it a combination defense, like a triangle-and-2? The reason I ask is there's almost no way a team shoots only 10 3's against a tightly packed zone. If a defense really packs it in, they can all but close your usual driving lanes and limit your big's touches, while giving up a lot of space on the perimeter. If that were the case, Marcus, for example, would have had several open looks from 3, but I don't recall that being the case when I was watching. Also, why was INSU smart enough to play zone, but the other very well coached teams we have beaten since Ryan has been out weren't smart enough to figure out that they should be playing zone. This isn't rocket science, and INSU didn't break the secret code that suddenly exposed our Achilles heel to the world.
Quote from: wh on January 24, 2019, 02:17:17 PM
I don't know how much zone INSU played last night, because I watched some and listened to some in the car. That said, was it purely a zone or was it a combination defense, like a triangle-and-2? The reason I ask is there's almost no way a team shoots only 10 3's against a tightly packed zone. If a defense really packs it in, they can all but close your usual driving lanes and limit your big's touches, while giving up a lot of space on the perimeter. If that were the case, Marcus, for example, would have had several open looks from 3, but I don't recall that being the case when I was watching. Also, why was INSU smart enough to play zone, but the other very well coached teams we have beaten since Ryan has been out weren't smart enough to figure out that they should be playing zone. This isn't rocket science, and INSU didn't break the secret code that suddenly exposed our Achilles heel to the world.
Good questions. Unfortunately I was in and out while multitasking so without watching it over I'd guess 8 or 10 min minimum were zoned and they mixed it up to suit our lineup. Just a 2-3, I think and less of it while Golder was on the floor.
If you watch just the 1st half you can probably come back with all your questions better answered as I have been known to see things that aren't there. ::)
Someone want to start the Drake Game thread? I'm riding a losing streak so I'm not going to start it.
I'll give it a go....
Quote from: VU2010 on January 23, 2019, 08:05:43 PM
Oh ok - I forgot ... we always have to make excuses. Duh - they're in class. My mistake. And, they play basketball games. Embarrassing on my behalf - my apologies.
Did they have too much laundry to do before this game too?
Quote from: valpopal on January 24, 2019, 09:44:39 AM
Paul mentioned that Matt Kenney was attending the game last night. Too bad this was the Valpo game he got to see in person this season. He must have been puzzled by the "Gritty" label attached to this team, especially since Matt was truly gritty when on the court, and his 2012-2013 team (Kenney, Van Wijk, Broekhoff, Capobianco, Boggs, Bogan, Dority, Fernandez, Buggs, Coleman) set the Valpo bar for grittiness!
Just came across this as a recommended video on my YouTube, and I thought it would remind us of the truly gritty 2012-2013 team.
Wow!!!!! How soon things change. Truly an amazing time to be a Valpo fan. Look at the stands! Ugh ... to go back!!!
We can and will have that again... We just drew 4160 for the Drake game last Saturday and until life threatening cold sabotaged the attendance of the Missouri State game attendance for conference games was right on par with the Horizon days. If we can get a couple of road wins this week it should stay that way.