I just read Os"s interview on Twitter with ML. I can't paste all of the responses to Os's questions, but what jumps out at me is how ML's ambivalent, neutral and "possible" his responses were.
ML: Do we think we will be better next year? It's possible.
ML: We want to get rid of the me attitude and get to us as a team.
WHAT? WAIT! This next season is the one everyone has pointed toward and...... it's possible that we will be better???? And looking back over the last several seasons, the unique characteristic of Valpo teams, IMO, is how bonded and unselfish our teams were. Suddenly we have to become a team that is fighting to become a team? Most of these guys have been together for 2-3 years.
What the heck is going on?
Maybe he's trying lower expectations? Not sure but if he is that's just bizarre but I understand that the train of thought as not wanting to set expectations "too high", maybe?
Next year is huge and extremely important in the eyes of fans and rightfully so.
I suddenly have a very bad feeling about next year... Team walks off arm in arm in St Louis and he says we're not a team. Is he talking about shot selection and prsuit of stats\not sharing the ball enough? Because then I'll agree... But it's stuff like this that really makes me question if he knows what he's doing or if he'll ever learn. I know one thing's for sure: this team better_____________________ing be better and it better_____________________ing win assuming we aren't eviscerated by transfers which is certainly possible.
I disagree 2014. He is setting the stage for another poor performance in an effort to save his job.
He said he hasn't heard any of the fan discontent. BS.
I was a solid ML backer from the start. I saw the reasons for our HL tourney failure from the start and the early obstacles that were thrown in our and ML's path were significant. But we are past all that and even in dealing with the press he lacks the experience that is necessary to move this program forward. Dang! it's a new season ahead and it is only possible we will be better. He just stated he probably can't take this team to the next level. I probably need to take another day to think this through, sorry. Too emotional.
If he performs poorly he should be gone. If that happens and he is not gone I might be until he either is gone or learns to coach and turns it around
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 12, 2019, 10:11:34 PMI know one thing's for sure: this team better_____________________ing be better and it better_____________________ing win
I couldn't have said this better.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 12, 2019, 10:11:34 PMassuming we aren't eviscerated by transfers which is certainly possible.
If everybody wants to transfer that should also tell us all we need to know.
The # one freaking job a HBB coach has is to pull 12 - 13 kids into a cohesive unit. That is task number one from day one - regardless of talent. Now, after three years at the helm, we find out that this has not been a focus and they still have to find away to come together.
I don't know about "team player," but Derrik is not a good teammate. He gives a halfhearted effort on defense, while his teammates are working their asses off. On offense he parks his butt in the low post waiting for the ball, while everyone else is running non-stop through patterns designed to open up the middle. If he has a good scoring game, the reason he gives is his teammates did a good job of finding me, which implies that if he has a poor scoring game, his teammates did a bad job of finding him. He's the last one to lumber over when the group in the game huddles up when the clock is stopped for FT's, etc. It only takes 1 or 2 guys like that to destroy team chemistry.
BTW to the person I no longer remember who once said I never have a good thing to say about Derrik, you're right again - I absolutely don't.
I can't do it right now, but 2014 you are good at it please post the Osipoff twitter string. I can't find much that is positive.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 12, 2019, 10:58:17 PM
I can't do it right now, but 2014 you are good at it please post the Osipoff twitter string. I can't finf much that is positive.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105581483845185540
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105581588761493505
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105581923529834499
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105582451936686080
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105582731289862150
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105583163823321089
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105583418421772288
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105583746521141249
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105584164932329473
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105584427118284800
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105584636095287299
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105585328440532993
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1105585610713108489
I hate the whole "one bid league" line It's just a cover to schedule like crap. Murray State can't get here soon enough. Hopefully that will change some of the thinking around the conference to have a team that is in the tournament or on the bubble each year. Belmont went for it Lipscomb went for it Furman went for it ISUr SIU and UNI did too. Why won't\can't we? Why always this defeatist aw shucks gee whiz attitude when it comes to competing for bids? If everyone stays this is a year to go for it and they'd better go for it. Also is he implying that we still don't have the right pieces? That's a big problem at this point in time.
Quote from: wh on March 12, 2019, 10:52:32 PMI don't know about "team player," but Derrik is not a good teammate. He gives a halfhearted effort on defense, while his teammates are working their asses off. On offense he parks his butt in the low post waiting for the ball, while everyone else is running non-stop through patterns designed to open up the middle. If he has a good scoring game, the reason he gives is his teammates did a good job of finding me, which implies that if he has a poor scoring game, his teammates did a bad job of finding him. He's the last one to lumber over when the group in the game huddles up when the clock is stopped for FT's, etc. It only takes 1 or 2 guys like that to destroy team chemistry.
Sometimes I'm leaning toward that conclusion but the problem might already have grown from whatever the original source or sources. Like you just said sloth and me first thinking is contagious, so sometimes less is more. You as a coach have properly asked some very high potential kids to find different interests. You already know how hard that is to do.
Matt will soon be meeting with the team members to sort things out and suggest for the future. There will be some interesting conversations.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 12, 2019, 10:58:17 PMLottich: "Eron and Nick can play, they've proven they can play. But we have to integrate them back in, it takes time. But we're excited about adding two pieces."
I'm actually finding a lot of positive comments by Lottich.
Lottich:
"Eron and Nick can play, they've proven they can play. But we have to integrate them back in, it takes time. But
we're excited about adding two pieces."coach Matt Lottich on the takeaway:
"The biggest improvement we made this year, and want to continue to make, is to
get rid of the 'me' mentality. To be 'us,' a team. Lottich: "...
Do I like our future? Yeah.I really think there is too much expectation being put on next year's team by fans on here. I think Lottich is being positive about the team and in the end he recognizes that he needs better shooters and will have a deeper team that can withstand the injuries and improve on what he thought was one of the top three teams in the Valley. There sure is a great deal of negativity on this board lately.
Our positively abysmal record since last year's 8-0 start will do that to people.
I know it's a long offseason, but I really find it hard to get excited or worked up about a coach's comments. Would it really matter if he proclaimed them favorites and talked about them as a 25 win team? I could give two s*&#s if he gave the interview in Swahili.
He wins, he stays and the program is back on track after a bumpy conference transition and some bad injury luck.
He loses, he's gone and we need have some hard questions to face.
I feel like we need to understand the new normal. Though the Drews weren't perfect, they provided unusual stability for a mid major. Going forward, we probably have a new head coach every few years no matter what happens.
I know I lead the cynics on the general university thread. But I just haven't drowned in despair over the team's future or ML's leadership. As I've mentioned each player has a key flaw and many didn't shoot well. But there is still a ton of upside ahead in Javon and Derrik for next year.
Nick will make a big impact as a 6'5" slasher and a taller good wing defender. Fazekas is a shooter and a vital one to our offense, but isn't a slasher or defender. I don't know the x and o's, but strength and depth can only improve us.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 13, 2019, 08:27:14 AM
Our positively abysmal record since last year's 8-0 start will do that to people.
Those first 8 games were against weak competition, other than Utah State. I'm not going to lie I knowingly drank the kool-aid after that start because I wanted to believe we were better than we were. I think we were actually a pretty decent team and improving until Tevonn's mono and Burton stopped showing up to class (did he ever really show up?). I know we should never play the "what if" game but I can't help but that what a healthy VU roster with Burton would have looked like this season. I've never heard Coach Lottich get as excited about talking about a player's potential from the post-Peters era than he did about Burton (maybe other than Javon). Oh well, that's all in the past now.
I'd love to sit down with Coach Lottich and have a honest conversation with him about how he'd construct the roster if he could get a do-over. He'd probably add more shooting, although Sasha Stefanovic (now at Purdue) sounded like a priority #1 recruit that was struck out on and things may have been a little different if we landed him. He inherited our two 7-footers that were recruited to be HL players. They both have their strengths and their weaknesses. Would he go after so many transfers instead of 4 year players if he could have a do-over? I personally have no problem with the transfers as long as they are a fit and can be impact talents but I know other have scoffed at the idea. I'll just say nobody complained when Bryce was building his roster that way.
Nobody complained because 1. The Drews had built up an almost inexhaustible supply of Goodwill with the fanbase. They had literally built the program.
2. The team was winning both in and out of conference and was taking down some name brand opponents.
Lottich has none of that going for him. That's why we're upset. He has a tough job replacing the Drews and handling everything with the program and it's not fair to him but he is not doing well and that has us not so much upset as anxious. I hope it works out. Go Valpo!
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 13, 2019, 05:57:20 PM
Nobody complained because 1. The Drews had built up an almost inexhaustible supply of Goodwill with the fanbase. They had literally built the program.
2. The team was winning both in and out of conference and was taking down some name brand opponents.
Lottich has none of that going for him. That's why we're upset. He has a tough job replacing the Drews and handling everything with the program and it's not fair to him but he is not doing well and that has us not so much upset as anxious. I hope it works out. Go Valpo!
I say give Lottich time, but it's a double edge sword. Drew's built the house and I'm sure Lottich is reaping the pay rewards taking over the house the Drew's built. So maybe his feet should be to the fire? I mean if I'm paid 85% percentile (example not fact) then my rope is taut.
I just think some people are finding things to be mad about for the sake of being mad.
If we were winning nobody would care if the roster had transfers on it. It's about finding the right fits and talent level and not about 4 yr vs transfers. Townes and Custer seem to have worked out well for Loyola.
I also think we over analyze everything Lottich says at times. It's a lot of trying to read into every little comment and nitpick his statements to death. At certain point it just gets to be a bit much sometimes.
What happens if a few of the key players transfer. Javon, Derick, ect. How does he keep his job? I'm also sick of the excuses. Laundry, injuries, travel. If anyone can use the injury excuse it's Drake and they still managed to win the regular season.
Is it really nitpicking though? I've often wondered whether it was nitpicking on Lottichs statements too, but every time I read something he says I typically end up shaking my head. Like the statement about being better next year....how can someone think to respond to that with "it's possible"?? That sounds like setting expections low and lack of confidence. Our record was 15-18 this year, does he really think fans are happy with that and that it's only possible to get better than that? I don't know maybe we are reading into his comments too much but none of the comments appear to suggest ownership, leadership, or trying to steer this ship in the right direction to me.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 13, 2019, 05:57:20 PM
Nobody complained because 1. The Drews had built up an almost inexhaustible supply of Goodwill with the fanbase. They had literally built the program.
2. The team was winning both in and out of conference and was taking down some name brand opponents.
Lottich has none of that going for him. That's why we're upset. He has a tough job replacing the Drews and handling everything with the program and it's not fair to him but he is not doing well and that has us not so much upset as anxious. I hope it works out. Go Valpo!
I'm beating a dead horse here, but part of the reason we've been bad the past two years is that Bryce basically stopped recruiting. We should've had Bryce's juniors and seniors last year and seniors this year. I don't think Skara would have made the team significantly better last year had he stayed.
Lottich, of course, shares the blame blame by plugging the empty scholarships with transfers that didn't work out (Bakari), freshmen that weren't D1 caliber (Hazen), and projects that will never come to fruition (Mileek).
I find myself picking apart everything a coach says when the team isn't winning. If the team was winning more, we'd probably be less concerned about whether ML's interviews are dynamic. Winning more cures a lot.
The Half Full side of me says that we split with the two teams that played in the MVC Championship game, so maybe we aren't that far off. Javon is a player who will only get better over the next three years. The two transfers have good experience. Clay was a big-time high school player in a big-time conference that is stocked with DI talent. We will be healthy and deep. We go at least 11-7 in conference play, maybe 12-6.
The Half Empty side of me says that we didn't improve over the course of the year, and that we don't have the depth necessary to play through injuries. We stand around too much in the half court offense. We may lose good players to transfer. We go 6-10 in conference play.
Between now and November of '19, I will spend time on both parts of the glass. Stay thirsty my friends, the off-season just started!
Quote from: VU2014 on March 13, 2019, 06:58:30 PMI also think we over analyze everything Lottich says at times. It's a lot of trying to read into every little comment and nitpick his statements to death. At certain point it just gets to be a bit much sometimes.
Exactly
Quote from: Valpofan15 on March 13, 2019, 07:45:35 PMWhat happens if a few of the key players transfer. Javon, Derick, ect. How does he keep his job? I'm also sick of the excuses. Laundry, injuries, travel. If anyone can use the injury excuse it's Drake and they still managed to win the regular season.
Say what?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 13, 2019, 05:57:20 PM
Nobody complained because 1. The Drews had built up an almost inexhaustible supply of Goodwill with the fanbase. They had literally built the program.
2. The team was winning both in and out of conference and was taking down some name brand opponents.
Lottich has none of that going for him. That's why we're upset. He has a tough job replacing the Drews and handling everything with the program and it's not fair to him but he is not doing well and that has us not so much upset as anxious. I hope it works out. Go Valpo!
While I will agree with you on goodwill, to be fair, there were some rough spots under the Drews as far as wins and losses go, too. 4-24, 5-22 and 5-22 caused a fair share of complains back then. You could make the argument that Dr. Harre saved Homer Drew.
With respect to Lottich and his unenviable position as the guy after the Drews, I agree and I'll take your comments a step further. If Matt Lottich gets terminated next year because of losses, he will be the first coach in Valpo's D-I history to be fired for lack of performance. That's about 40 years of time over five head coaches, including himself. Think about that for a second.
Name me another D-I program in the country that is currently in this position. ML would be the first, as there would be no "pass" such as a D-I transition, a "You'll never get fired for losing" mentality, or a pass as a result of a coaching tree, to hand out out to him. It's almost untenable.
Man I hope Matt wins next year.
crusaderjoe, you might say Butler is in this position with another year like this year.... 8-)
Misery loves company, I suppose.
Quotehe will be the first coach in Valpo's D-I history to be fired for lack of performance. That's about 40 years of time over five head coaches, including himself. Think about that for a second.
This is a bit misleading. We would have had previous coaches fired for poor performance if VU had given the slightest care about performance. In fact, one of the reason Tom Smith quit is that
nobody in VU's administration cared enough to put him on the hot seat for lack of wins. Rochlitz was in that same boat, too -- he left VU for a
junior college job because of the lack of institutional commitment to the basketball program.
Unfortunately, as we see with the facilities issue, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Wasn't Tom Smith a "quit or you will be fired" thing? There were still some whispers the reasons weren't basketball related when I was on campus.
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on March 14, 2019, 10:25:46 PM
Quotehe will be the first coach in Valpo's D-I history to be fired for lack of performance. That's about 40 years of time over five head coaches, including himself. Think about that for a second.
This is a bit misleading. We would have had previous coaches fired for poor performance if VU had given the slightest care about performance. In fact, one of the reason Tom Smith quit is that nobody in VU's administration cared enough to put him on the hot seat for lack of wins. Rochlitz was in that same boat, too -- he left VU for a junior college job because of the lack of institutional commitment to the basketball program.
Unfortunately, as we see with the facilities issue, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Woulda coulda shoulda...and that's my point. I understand what you're driving at, but the lack of institutional care or commitment as you put it provided a "pass" where losses potentially were immaterial. Putting facility commitments aside, if ML gets terminated next season
for lack of wins, he doesn't get that same luxury. Now don't get me wrong-- I am not suggesting that any prior coach should have been terminated for performance. All I'm saying is that even though we have a new coach not named Drew, and we are nearly four years removed from that point, we have to remember that VU is still in uncharted territory as a program in ways that extend both on an off the basketball court.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 15, 2019, 07:39:37 AM
Wasn't Tom Smith a "quit or you will be fired" thing? There were still some whispers the reasons weren't basketball related when I was on campus.
This is my memory as well.
Can we re-title this thread "MBB 2019-2020 - Another Rebuild.
I feel sick... Just devastated... I might have to take a year off... Especially if Lottich is still here... I just had one friend tell me he's cancelling his plans to buy season tickets. I don't blame him. He can't be the only one. Time for MLB to step in and do something.
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1108171056248967168
"Yes I'll have the nothing burger please Hold the substance."
One "Crusader Special" coming right up sir." Cash or charge?
Oh I don't want to invest anything in this I was just hoping to eat for free off your efforts.
One double deluxe Crusader special it is! Have a great day! See you at the next window!
I'm so tired of talk. Talk from our prez about how athletics is a priority. Talk from our AD about we're not living up to expectations. Talk from our coach about....well, anything that doesn't directly relate to our play on the floor.
I was born in Wisconsin but I grew up in Missouri, the Show Me state. Stop talking and show me something.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 19, 2019, 08:06:13 PMI'm so tired of talk. Talk from our prez about how athletics is a priority. Talk from our AD about we're not living up to expectations. Talk from our coach about....well, anything that doesn't directly relate to our play on the floor. I was born in Wisconsin but I grew up in Missouri, the Show Me state. Stop talking and show me something.
So far it's all cheese from these guys.
So now with the transfers, barring an incoming high level grad transfer, you don't have a single player on the roster who has proved they can be a every game contributor on the Division I level, with a healthy Markus maybe being the lone exception.
Better not raise ticket prices again.
Now that hopefully the dust has cleared, here's what I see. Ryan Fazekas (3*), Eron Gordon (3.7*), and Nick Robinson (3*) are a great nucleus to build around. We still have the fastest player on the team in Daniel Sackey. Assuming his shooting improves over time, he could be excellent at the point. Jay will be in his 4th year iat center. He's already a solid defensive player. If he can make even minimal improvement on offense, he could become a top 5 center in the league. Now add our newest hot shot recruit to the mix - 1st team IL all-state player Donovan Clay and his high motor and athleticism to the mix, and we have 6 very strong players. Let's also not forget Micah Bradford. Like Eron and Nick, he's had a whole year to work on his game. Who knows what he may bring to the table? I would be very happy to go to war with this group. And that's before we add what will hopefully be a nice group of complementary players to the mix. It's very possible that this group could turn this program on a dime, making the current exodus of players a blessing in disguise.
One thing I wonder is if we had an easier time recruiting during the Alec years and went for talent and maybe didn't fully think about player type, etc.
Lottich is going to have a chance to have a fresh new recruiting class. It's not the same as if he knew these spots were open already but I'll be interested to see if we see if a different style of player coming in. He needs people with the mentality of a Kiser but a higher level of skill. That's what he obviously likes to reward. Can he learn from this?
I don't think all of it is on him, I think some of it is, BUT I think some of it is because he's a young coach and so now it's time to see what he learns and how he adjusts.
I wasn't sure in which thread this ought to be placed, but I felt it is the kind of message that is good to hear again after the past few days.
Nice, he's been tweeting a lot lately about Valpo basketball. He's currently in coaching. Put him somewhere on our bench.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 21, 2019, 06:32:15 PM
Nice, he's been tweeting a lot lately about Valpo basketball. He's currently in coaching. Put him somewhere on our bench.
Who? I couldn't follow or find the coach you're referring to.
EDIT: I guess you meant Buggs?
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 21, 2019, 06:32:15 PMNice, he's been tweeting a lot lately about Valpo basketball. He's currently in coaching. Put him somewhere on our bench.
Make him the head coach even. He can't be any worse than what we've got.
After Iowa's loss in the tournament, one of the Iowa beat reporters did a live podcast and said that they are hearing about a road trip to a MVC team. He said he was hearing either Illinois state, drake or Valpo, but said they were fairly confident it was valpo. Could be a top 10 team next year losing only one player form this years team.
Great to see that video when we had players who actually were loyal to Valpo and wanted to play at Valpo.
Quote from: AranJacobs on March 24, 2019, 03:00:04 PM
After Iowa's loss in the tournament, one of the Iowa beat reporters did a live podcast and said that they are hearing about a road trip to a MVC team. He said he was hearing either Illinois state, drake or Valpo, but said they were fairly confident it was valpo. Could be a top 10 team next year losing only one player form this years team.
Makes it very worthwhile to become a very unselfish cohesive team next season. Nothing is out of the question at this point especially if we can add at least one great outside shooter to go with Fazekas.
Micah is showing some hops. Looking healthy again.
https://twitter.com/dreadedupG/status/1109940011577851905
Quote from: VU2014 on March 24, 2019, 05:11:17 PM
Micah is showing some hops. Looking healthy again.
https://twitter.com/dreadedupG/status/1109940011577851905
Not that Micah is staying, but does he have two years eligibility left? One for certain and I'd expect medical if he applies would be two.
I believe two. I'd though Micah would transfer but now I could see him reevaluating and thinking his opportunity at Valpo has increased while the risk of transferring (lower stats last year, big injury this year) could lead to lower levels of interest and less playing time.
Quote from: crusader05 on March 24, 2019, 05:24:39 PMI believe two. I'd though Micah would transfer but now I could see him reevaluating and thinking his opportunity at Valpo has increased while the risk of transferring (lower stats last year, big injury this year) could lead to lower levels of interest and less playing time.
Thought the same thing about him transferring. Now as long as they don't fill the empty transfer spots with 3 or 4 point guards, I have a feeling he may stay.
Does everyone remember his first 2 years? He needs to move on. Sitting out a year didn't make him better.
Quote from: chairback on March 24, 2019, 07:27:23 PM
Does everyone remember his first 2 years? He needs to move on. Sitting out a year didn't make him better.
Please---First Eddie Cabot makes fun of him and now you. Why?
Nobody on this board believes or believed Micah to be a program changer. He was, and would only have been a piece to the puzzle. Forget his freshman year entirely then focus only on his Feb and March 2018 results. That player would have helped with 2 maybe 3 additional wins over High Point, MSU and ISU-b. That alone could have been a significant deterrent to the team mass exodus. :'(
A full strength Micah does not scare me and would earn and deserve a scholarship. I am more scared that an 85% Micah returns and fails to contribute. Matt or his replacement has a difficult call to make and it needs to be made soon. Standing with an immobile Micah will do no good for either him or the program.
Undersized and couldn't shoot from 3 or from the free throw line. He got pushed around with lack of size and strength. Also doesn't take playing in a program serious with the weed. Like it or not it's a rule and effects team.
Quote from: justducky on March 24, 2019, 08:54:44 PM
Quote from: chairback on March 24, 2019, 07:27:23 PM
Does everyone remember his first 2 years? He needs to move on. Sitting out a year didn't make him better.
Please---First Eddie Cabot makes fun of him and now you. Why?
Nobody on this board believes or believed Micah to be a program changer. He was, and would only have been a piece to the puzzle. Forget his freshman year entirely then focus only on his Feb and March 2018 results. That player would have helped with 2 maybe 3 additional wins over High Point, MSU and ISU-b. That alone could have been a significant deterrent to the team mass exodus. :'(
A full strength Micah does not scare me and would earn and deserve a scholarship. I am more scared that an 85% Micah returns and fails to contribute. Matt or his replacement has a difficult call to make and it needs to be made soon. Standing with an immobile Micah will do no good for either him or the program.
Micah is no Lexus Williams but let's give him a chance before we go sending a talented player to Boise State or wherever again.
https://twitter.com/OneZeroSports/status/1110366983399329794
We're seen as a mess...
https://twitter.com/OneZeroSports/status/1110369704319827969
Quote from: VU2014 on March 25, 2019, 09:35:28 PM
https://twitter.com/OneZeroSports/status/1110366983399329794
We're seen as a mess...
https://twitter.com/OneZeroSports/status/1110369704319827969
In case you don't know who the author of this hit piece is, it's none other than our old nemesis Tom Davis, former Ft. Wayne News-Sentinel sports reporter (until he was fired) and Butler alum (and athletic department suck ass). This article keeps intact his record of never having written a positive story about the Crusaders.
What's unfair about the article? It's impossible to spin losing four of your top 5 scorers positively and this is a must win year. Would it have been better if he had mentioned the injuries more? I'm really trying to understand what is so objectionable here.
Didn't Micah already have numerous opportunities to prove himself? I recall him being a starter at one point and many people being disappointed with his play. He's been out for his injury and I can't imagine much has changed.
QuoteWhat's unfair about the article? It's impossible to spin losing four of your top 5 scorers positively and this is a must win year. Would it have been better if he had mentioned the injuries more? I'm really trying to understand what is so objectionable here.
When you've spun every story about VU negatively over the years because of your longstanding audition to be the Butler SID, you're not gonna get applause for a "blind squirrel/nut" moment where you're suddenly being Captain Obvious.
Why waste time reading Tom Davis' comments about Valpo basketball. He is the "expert" on Butler b-ball, just ask him? I wonder why he has not posted any comments about his Bulldog team. His continuing negative comments about VU' program isn't worth the the effort to read. While he is a BU grad, I'm not sure how much he really knows about what is going on at Butler. It would be interesting to hear his comments about the current situation there.
He barely mentioned that our two best players (Robinson and Gordon) were ineligible and that our best shooter was out for half the season. Matt will add some very good players not to mention Donovon Clay. But still, the sky is falling...
Dudes have not seen the floor and you call them our best players?
Get a grip man
Freeman was our best player
Golder at one point was up there also
I have been one of Tom's harshest critiques. I agree that he seems to have a penchant for writing articles that are not flattering to the VU basketball program and I have been very vocal about his one-sided/negative portrayal related to VU. I recently (at a PFW game) talked to Tom about the change in Fort Wayne's newspaper scene with the News-Sentinel stopping paper publishing and firing virtually its entire staff in favor of a digital publishing model. He moved to Florida as the Editor of the Palatka Daily News but quickly decided to return to Indiana and start his own sports media company, One Zero Sports. I actually think he is doing a much better job covering Northern Indiana sports now than perhaps he did in the past. It does seem rather strange that he seems to only choose to write about VU when he feels the chips are down. However, I think his coverage has increased dramatically and his writings about the Purdue Fort Wayne Mastodons has been greatly improved. Now that he has his own business it appears that he recognizes it is now in his best interest to promote increased viewership and attendance to the games and teams he is writing about. In the past he had always given me the attitude that it was not his job to promote things like Mastodon basketball. My, how having your own business can change your perspective!
Quote from: Valpo2013 on March 26, 2019, 02:00:05 PM
Dudes have not seen the floor and you call them our best players?
Get a grip man
Freeman was our best player
Golder at one point was up there also
I think most of us understand what vu72 was intimating. Gordon is certainly in the top 10 most highly rated players to ever be on the VUMBB team and Robinson has proven himself on a P6 conference team.
Yes, I know that ratings and past performance don't mean a thing.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 25, 2019, 10:28:32 PMWhat's unfair about the article? It's impossible to spin losing four of your top 5 scorers positively and this is a must win year. Would it have been better if he had mentioned the injuries more? I'm really trying to understand what is so objectionable here.
Nothing really, this is rather tame for Tom. I would just like to have him write one nice article about VU, but I guess that will have to wait.
Quote from: Valpo2013 on March 26, 2019, 02:00:05 PM
Dudes have not seen the floor and you call them our best players?
Get a grip man
Freeman was our best player
Golder at one point was up there also
How about you end your love affair with Freeman and wait and see if what I said is correct. Golder? Come on. He was a nice player who thought ever fast break had to be his highlight reel.
Valparaiso athletic director Mark LaBarbera: 'We need to look at everything from top to bottom' in men's basketball
Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
March 26, 2019
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-spt-mens-basketball-valparaiso-mark-labarbera-st-0327-story.html
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1110690610145579008
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1110692323262902272
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1110692430884544512
I read the article...pretty much says the transfers are just a sign of the times. He says our record and product on the court is poor but ML does everything else right.
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https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1110704779779543045
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1110705162421747712
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1110705682863542277
A real probing interview by Osipoff. He asked pointed, highly relevant questions, and followed up until he got the substance he was looking for. I can't think of a question I wish he would have asked that he didn't. SiMilarly, MLB seemed was open to talking about anything and everything MO brought up. How could anyone ask for more than that? Well done, MO and MLB.
Finally a reporter that asks questions that are relevant and timely as well as tough....not those softballs that some ask
Thanks for this
Good interview. Excellent questions.
Goes back to a point I made before. I don't have any problem at all with MLB sticking with his hire. If he truly believes Matt is the right guy for the program then kudos to him for sticking with him. And I truly hope those of us (myself included) who don't believe Matt is the guy have to eat our words in the next two years.
But if he's wrong, he goes when Lottich goes.
He said the right things, but anyone can talk...
Quote from: elephtheria47 on March 26, 2019, 10:52:48 PM
He said the right things, but anyone can talk...
Interesting to read about football and Women's Basketball
Both he said are going in the right direction
Hard not to when in the women's basketball case they are coming off one of the worst coaches we have had in any sport
As for football the same can be said for Dave C following Carlson
Point is anything would be better than what we had
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 26, 2019, 09:36:36 PMGood interview. Excellent questions. Goes back to a point I made before. I don't have any problem at all with MLB sticking with his hire. If he truly believes Matt is the right guy for the program then kudos to him for sticking with him. And I truly hope those of us (myself included) who don't believe Matt is the guy have to eat our words in the next two years. But if he's wrong, he goes when Lottich goes.
I hope so too on eating crow on Lottich Feed me I'm hungry for some extra crispy please but as for the AD we have to be careful given our historic lack of institutional commitment to athletics what we wish for from an AD. There's a decent chance that any replacement will be significantly worse than MLB bringing about a protracted downturn in the program.
Disagree.
If Lottich and Evans don't pan out (I'm a fan of Evans btw) be hard to find an AD with a poorer hiring record.
Don't settle for mediocre just because the next guy MIGHT be worse.
But is he mediocre because he's mediocre or is he mediocre because the institution hemstrings him at every turn due to a lack of commitment to athletics? It's possible he's doing the best he can with what little he's given and would do a much better job with more support. Unfortunately we'll probably never get the chance to find that out because the people that need to change the most for the good of the program are the ones least likely to do so because they themselves aren't actually invested in the program. They don't lose their seats if the athletes don't do well and so they have nothing to lose by maintaining the status quo. It's a truly sad situation and in this sense I feel very bad for MLB and Coach Lottich because this most critical factor is completely beyond their control.
Does anyone seriously think someone could be hired at the current salary level to replace MLB and do measurably better with the same poker hand that he will be mandated to hold — The hand MLB has been playing for his entire tenure?
However, it is fact of life in college sports, that when key people, be they coach or administrator, get fired, the institution upgrades salaries and budgets to attract the next guy. Had those upgrades been offered to the fired guys, betcha many of them could have succeeded and not gotten fired in the first place
The automatic assumption by some on this board is that MLB and Matt are "hamstrung" or have limited budgets or dealing with a lack of institutional commitment or this or that etc. On what do you base these complaints? Or are they assumptions with little fact to support them? Does the lack of comfortable seating at the ARC translate to poor salaries or poor recruiting budgets? Some of the complaining is just over the top and I wonder where it is coming from.
We have always had a world view on recruiting for men's basketball as an example. Where have the funds come from? Our women's tennis coach was seen watching a match of a recruit in California. Who paid for that? Our football team has players from 15 states. Did they just decide on their own that they wanted to play in Northern Indiana? Our men's basketball team has a $2 million dollar endowment for basketball recruiting. Do other MVC teams have similar funds available to them?
Just lots of hand wringing and I am wondering where this is coming from--or, is it assumptions based on a lack of winning and thus it must be that the administration just can't be supporting our athletic teams, coaches and administrators. Please let us fans know where your information is coming from. Thanks in advance for filling us in.
It's the inability (or unwillingness) to capitalize on the program's success
It's the lack of promotion of the athletics programs (admittedly this is getting better)
It's the fact that every conference we've moved into has publicly criticized our facilities and that doesn't inspire any campaign for change or any kind of substantive effort to rectify it.
It's that we have to wait decades for even basic improvements
It's the thought that arguably more has been done to please the change the mascot people than the build up the program people.
It's the thought that a move to the MVC took convincing for some board members
It's the long title droughts in many sports
Kiser is in a big boot....
From a fan standpoint this years non-conf is very crucial for the loyalist fan support. If it's filled with non-D1 crap like last year I can see a big drop in season tix holders. We are not asking for high majors, just decent mid majors. I can't tell you how many people I know who are season tix holders who have said if the schedule is crap they won't get them.
Quote from: chairback on March 31, 2019, 05:16:43 PMKiser is in a big boot....
Well, if he injured his foot kicking all the departing players in the shins, kneecaps and or tailbones then I think I can live with it. ;) I always knew that Kiser kid was worth his weight in gold. :thumbsup:
Quote from: chairback on March 31, 2019, 05:16:43 PMKiser is in a big boot.... From a fan standpoint this years non-conf is very crucial for the loyalist fan support. If it's filled with non-D1 crap like last year I can see a big drop in season tix holders. We are not asking for high majors, just decent mid majors. I can't tell you how many people I know who are season tix holders who have said if the schedule is crap they won't get them.
I didn't like a lot of MLB's comments about how since the NET weighs offensive efficiency as a key factor he's going to try to goose those metrics with some games he knows VU can win... Sounds like an excuse to put some crap on the schedule going forward... I hope he realizes that the reason Belmont got in and UNCG didn't is because Belmont had good non conference wins while UNCG didn't. Who you play\SOS still matters. Please do not lose sight of this.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 31, 2019, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: chairback on March 31, 2019, 05:16:43 PMKiser is in a big boot.... From a fan standpoint this years non-conf is very crucial for the loyalist fan support. If it's filled with non-D1 crap like last year I can see a big drop in season tix holders. We are not asking for high majors, just decent mid majors. I can't tell you how many people I know who are season tix holders who have said if the schedule is crap they won't get them.
I didn't like a lot of MLB's comments about how since the NET weighs offensive efficiency as a key factor he's going to try to goose those metrics with some games he knows VU can win... Sounds like an excuse to put some crap on the schedule going forward... I hope he realizes that the reason Belmont got in and UNCG didn't is because Belmont had good non conference wins while UNCG didn't. Who you play\SOS still matters. Please do not lose sight of this.
I'm not sure that you can schedule like a giant slayer every year. You have to know your team and what they are capable of. Wins are essential for momentum guys, we can't play all neutral site P5 and limited home slate knowing we have zero chance for at-large in a certain year.
Except for Javon, this is not something you heard ascribed to any of the players that have transferred very often...
https://twitter.com/coachgore/status/1115237607032729602
Maybe we'll be okay after all...
Our basketball budget is in the middle of the pack in the MVC if I recall..perhaps #6 or 7. Beyond hoops, I would only be speculating about our budget. I do agree that MLB faces funding challenges that come from long VU history.
But Valpo84 put his finger on the key issue when he showed that Akron U. graph showing on the size of net losses which athletics brings to universities who are not P5 football schools. Most are subsidized at 60% or more of athletics expense. At this point financially, VU funding likely has limits than are a bigger factor than the attitude of the board or President.
I know it's a private institution; however, where does one go to see released tax statements or whatever it is from 3+ years ago? I've heard people say they can tell what these folks made (ballpark at least) once it's been 3 years.
Just curious. If MLB, for instance, is making around $100k, then it's a different conversation than if he's making a lot more than that. Why? Because I don't know that you could find a good replacement without forking over some cash.
Also interested in knowing what Bryce made his last year at Valpo... or even Matt as an assistant or first year head coach.
Quote from: GoldenCrusader87 on April 09, 2019, 07:21:38 PM
I know it's a private institution; however, where does one go to see released tax statements or whatever it is from 3+ years ago? I've heard people say they can tell what these folks made (ballpark at least) once it's been 3 years.
Just curious. If MLB, for instance, is making around $100k, then it's a different conversation than if he's making a lot more than that. Why? Because I don't know that you could find a good replacement without forking over some cash.
Also interested in knowing what Bryce made his last year at Valpo... or even Matt as an assistant or first year head coach.
It has been posted somewhere and believe it is form 990 for tax exempt institutions. They don't post everyone's salary, just the top 5 or those over a certain amount. I also found this posted when Bryce was hired away.
"In 2013 Bryce was credited with $377,464 in pay" I also am sure he was the highest paid university employee at that time.
MLB makes more than 100k.
GuideStar is the website the posts all the Form 990 for exempt organizations. It is a couple of years behind, as the last VU 990 shown is 2015.
Regarding the departure of Smits/Sorolla...
I actually am starting to think that maybe MLB will be a better coach if he can get away from the "true post" tall/slow center position in favor of a stretch PF playing center. I am not sure our new recruits exactly fit that mold or not but it seems like maybe Smits/Sorolla never fit MLB's game plan and he just wasn't experienced enough to adjust what he wants to do with the players he had.
Javon/Golder are really the only 2 players I am really going to miss. I was kinda ready to move on from the 7 footers. Any chance Golder still changes his mind? If that is the case Javon is the huge loss and everything else can be made up with the right recruiting.
I'm not sure exactly where this narrative of Golder returning came from. He put his name in for a transfer. I can't imagine that a coach would want a player back if his return would be based on the fact that no better team wanted him. I just don't see him contributing to the "team first" spirit if he were allowed to return.
I think it's because he never said "yes i'm transferring" just that he's looking into it and did not provide any more comment. I don't think the staff just holds on but depending on how he handled his convos with his teammates and the coaches we shouldn't assume bad blood or anger over this decision or whether or not he should be given the space to make up his mind and be welcomed back if he so desires.
Quote from: humbleopinion on April 10, 2019, 08:53:13 AMI'm not sure exactly where this narrative of Golder returning came from. He put his name in for a transfer. I can't imagine that a coach would want a player back if his return would be based on the fact that no better team wanted him. I just don't see him contributing to the "team first" spirit if he were allowed to return.
If he chooses to return he should be welcomed back with open arms. These are peoples lives and his choice could affect the rest of his. You can't fault someone for looking to see if a better fit may be out there.
That being said, we also can't hold his spot indefinitely nor should we. His choice to look has consequences and if we fill his spot or recruit someone to play the same position, that's the risk he would take.
Quote from: vuny98 on April 10, 2019, 10:57:49 AM
Quote from: humbleopinion on April 10, 2019, 08:53:13 AMI'm not sure exactly where this narrative of Golder returning came from. He put his name in for a transfer. I can't imagine that a coach would want a player back if his return would be based on the fact that no better team wanted him. I just don't see him contributing to the "team first" spirit if he were allowed to return.
If he chooses to return he should be welcomed back with open arms. These are peoples lives and his choice could affect the rest of his. You can't fault someone for looking to see if a better fit may be out there.
That being said, we also can't hold his spot indefinitely nor should we. His choice to look has consequences and if we fill his spot or recruit someone to play the same position, that's the risk he would take.
None of us has the slightest idea about the underlying reason(s) for Golder requesting a transfer. It he just innocently wanted to test the waters to see if there was a better fit for whatever he's looking for, it might be ok to "welcome him back with open arms." If, on the other hand, he had an ongoing problem with Matt - how he used him, how Matt coaches, or whatever else - and used it to sow discord, Matt would be a fool to bring him back. The last thing Matt should do with a brand new group of players is welcome back a problem child from the past. Anyone who would do something that illogical and self-defeating, especially when their job is on the line, needs to take a beginning management class. If it were me (or anyone with leadership experience), it would take a very deep discussion and a lot of convincing on Golder's part before I would even consider running a risk like that (again, especially if my job was on the line, and that individual could help bury me).
Quote from: wh on April 10, 2019, 01:07:19 PMQuote from: vuny98 on April 10, 2019, 10:57:49 AMQuote from: humbleopinion on April 10, 2019, 08:53:13 AMI'm not sure exactly where this narrative of Golder returning came from. He put his name in for a transfer. I can't imagine that a coach would want a player back if his return would be based on the fact that no better team wanted him. I just don't see him contributing to the "team first" spirit if he were allowed to return.
If he chooses to return he should be welcomed back with open arms. These are peoples lives and his choice could affect the rest of his. You can't fault someone for looking to see if a better fit may be out there. That being said, we also can't hold his spot indefinitely nor should we. His choice to look has consequences and if we fill his spot or recruit someone to play the same position, that's the risk he would take.
None of us has the slightest idea about the underlying reason(s) for Golder requesting a transfer. It he just innocently wanted to test the waters to see if there was a better fit for whatever he's looking for, it might be ok to "welcome him back with open arms." If, on the other hand, he had an ongoing problem with Matt - how he used him, how Matt coaches, or whatever else - and used it to sow discord, Matt would be a fool to bring him back. The last thing Matt should do with a brand new group of players is welcome back a problem child from the past. Anyone who would do something that illogical and self-defeating, especially when their job is on the line, needs to take a beginning management class. If it were me (or anyone with leadership experience), it would take a very deep discussion and a lot of convincing on Golder's part before I would even consider running a risk like that (again, especially if my job was on the line, and that individual could help bury me).
Fair point. My comment was with the assumption that there was not any animosity between anyone and that Golder was not a locker room cancer. If that were the case, I would imagine Golder would want out on his own accord and we wouldn't have to worry about if Matt should or should not take him back.
Let me apologize in advance if someone else has already brought this up. Do we know for sure that Golder is on track to graduate this spring? Most players that graduate in 3 years begin attending classes in the summer before their freshman season. So, by the end of the 2nd semester of their junior year, they have attended 3 summer sessions. Golder was at a junior college as a freshman. I guess I would be surprised if junior colleges bring their freshman recruits on campus the summer before their freshman year. Of course, I could be wrong. If not, he would have to have taken one heck of a course load over 3 years to have enough credits to graduate this spring. If he doesn't graduate, he would have to redshirt next year, then have 1 year eligibility remaining. I'm not sure there are many programs that would tie up a scholarship for 2 years only to
get 1 year's use out of an average mid major player.
Didn't Markus redshirt his first year of JuCo?
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on April 10, 2019, 02:54:38 PM
Didn't Markus redshirt his first year of JuCo?
Yes. He's completing his 4th year of college. Assuming most of his Juco credits transferred, it wouldn't be unusual for him to be graduating.
Northern Idaho listed him as a red shirt freshman during the season he played there and our media profile of him says he redshirted a year at Northern Idaho and played a year.
Golder was at the Junior College for 2 years, he redshirted his first year and played his second leaving him with 3 years of eligibility. He will be completing his second full year at VU so I am sure that he could be on track to graduate this spring without too much difficulty if most of his credits transfered and he took summer session classes as most of the MBB players have done at VU.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on April 10, 2019, 07:55:32 AM
Javon/Golder are really the only 2 players I am really going to miss. I was kinda ready to move on from the 7 footers. Any chance Golder still changes his mind? If that is the case Javon is the huge loss and everything else can be made up with the right recruiting.
Agree, but I like the way the roster is shaping up. All the movement has balanced out the roster a bit ... as of right now, next year's team will be 2 sr, 4 jr, 1 so and 4 fr.
Sackey and Bradford have both started games and played a lot of minutes at the point. Fazekas, Gordon and Robinson provide talented wing players who have proven themselves in the Big East and A-10. McMillen showed enough flash early last season that he had earned the starting center spot (per the radio guy on USH). We know what we have in Kiser. And Clay, from what some have said, is a larger version of Freeman.
I'm afraid the other freshman may need some time to acclimate to the high-level college game, so ML may be looking for 1 or 2 grads transfers to provide some more front court depth.
I'm not predicting greatness, but I'm also not as doom-and-gloom as some fans.
Looks like we will play 7 maybe 9 depending on last two slots we have open.
Quote from: tiny707 on April 10, 2019, 05:02:30 PMLooks like we will play 7 maybe 9 depending on last two slots we have open.
7 if the freshman don't play at all and assuming Bradford does. My guess is those 7 play, at least 1 of the 3 freshman see decent minutes and we get 2 grad transfers to fill out the roster. That would put us at 10 players getting minutes.
PG - Sakey/Bradford/Lorange
SG - Gordon/Robinson/Stalling
SF - Fazekas/Clay/Kiser
PF - McMillan/Krikke
C - Freese-Vilien
We most likely will play small with 3-4 guards at a time, but McMillan and Fazekas both have some height and can stretch the floor. Right now Fazekas is the only returning player that played last year that really has the numbers to get excited about. We will need Gordon/Robinson to play like we hope they will, need some growth from Sakey/McMillan/Bradford and freshman need to contribute. Still 2 more scholarships open though, so hopefully we can get a good transfer as well.
Quote from: vuny98 on April 11, 2019, 08:16:58 AM
Quote from: tiny707 on April 10, 2019, 05:02:30 PMLooks like we will play 7 maybe 9 depending on last two slots we have open.
7 if the freshman don't play at all and assuming Bradford does. My guess is those 7 play, at least 1 of the 3 freshman see decent minutes and we get 2 grad transfers to fill out the roster. That would put us at 10 players getting minutes.
PG - Sakey/Bradford/Lorange
SG - Gordon/Robinson/Stalling
SF - Fazekas/Clay/Kiser
PF - McMillan/Krikke
C - Freese-Vilien
We most likely will play small with 3-4 guards at a time, but McMillan and Fazekas both have some height and can stretch the floor. Right now Fazekas is the only returning player that played last year that really has the numbers to get excited about. We will need Gordon/Robinson to play like we hope they will, need some growth from Sakey/McMillan/Bradford and freshman need to contribute. Still 2 more scholarships open though, so hopefully we can get a good transfer as well.
I would like to see FV/McMillan/Krikke all play the center position while Fazekas/Clay/Kiser play to PF position. The hope would be that would open up the offense a bit. This would require the acquisition of a decent grad-transfer shooting guard and/or Golder deciding to roll the dice and stay to see what happens.
I think whats potentially exciting is that the majority of these guys can play multiple positions which makes the lineups Lottich could run out there nearly limitless. I'm a huge fan of position-less basketball.
That interior is going to get eaten alive. I love Mileek as an example of what Vu basketball can be all about as far as hard work, but the young man can't stay on the floor. Great athlete, missed his calling as a tight end.
And we have no idea what to expect from the 5s. Not to stereotype too much, but the euro bigs usually need a season or two to adjust to the physical nature of the American game. Krikke has promise.
I just have trouble seeing these guys up against the Pippens, Faynes, and Krutwigs of the league. (Yes I know some of those guys graduated). I just really hope we're not bringing more Horizon League players into the MVC.
To me, in the era we live in with so many transfers ... why not play everybody? I wouldn't worry about redshirting any player. Let them all play and see who can serve us well down the stretch. No way am I worrying about redshirting one of these newbies unless they're totally incapable of adding something to the equation. Who is to say they'll be graduating from here anyhow? Might as well get minutes out of them or at least bodies out on the court as long as we're paying for their college tuition, room & board, and food. Play em, play em, play em.
https://zoekelm.typeform.com/to/zSuYA8
Valpo basketball survey
Great survey. Took about 3 min. Theres everyones chance to submit your ideas and complain about parking, seating, atmosphere. Will be interesting to see what, if anything, is done with this.
MVC basketball: Way-too-early pre-season power rankings for 2019-20 season
Take a guess where the Crusaders are ranked.
https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/04/20/mvc-basketball-way-early-preseason-power-rankings-2019-20/amp/1/
Considering where we finished and the experience we lost...yeah, hard to put us anywhere else.
Look at it this way: in both years in the league we have finished below expectations. Can't do that if we're picked tenth.
We have them right where we want them! Over confident, and providing great bulletin board material! If the loss of those guys spelled doom, then we really are in deep trouble. We have a lot to prove.
That's right. We're right where we want to be! Nothing like having zero expectations! Lol. Been awhile since I went on here since I'm having a hard time justifying my fandom. Then again, we did steal a bunch of dudes who chose us over other schools knocking down their doors.
Oh, wait - none of them had any other offers hahahahhaha.
Again, I truly hope Matt proves us all wrong and turns this thing around. But, I'm far from bought in.
Quote from: GoldenCrusader87 on April 21, 2019, 06:19:38 PM
That's right. We're right where we want to be! Nothing like having zero expectations! Lol. Been awhile since I went on here since I'm having a hard time justifying my fandom. Then again, we did steal a bunch of dudes who chose us over other schools knocking down their doors.
Oh, wait - none of them had any other offers hahahahhaha.
Again, I truly hope Matt proves us all wrong and turns this thing around. But, I'm far from bought in.
You can check out any time you like,
But you can never leave.The Hotel California and VU basketball fandom
I want Valpo to hire Coach Patton on the staff one day. He has a really bright future and would be a natural fit with VU with his Region ties.
https://twitter.com/donboscohoops/status/1121493808057921537?s=21
A really good article that puts things in perspective. A good read.
https://twitter.com/hoopvilleadam/status/1122899157721788417?s=21
Is Zion on Valpo's campus yet? I'm a assuming he's still finishing classes at Wabash. I hope he can get in the gym at VU whenever he wants
https://twitter.com/ykzm0/status/1123287567766556673?s=21
Quote from: VU2014 on April 30, 2019, 10:30:26 PMIs Zion on Valpo's campus yet. I'm a assuming he's still finishing classes at Wabash. I hope he can get in the gym at VU whenever he wants https://twitter.com/ykzm0/status/1123287567766556673?s=21
I am pretty sure he is still at Wabash. He had some responses to his twitter from people that are from Wabash. May be wrong, but I take it they were echoing the frustration.
Just received this from the Athletic Dept.:
RESERVATION PROCESS FOR NEW SEASON TICKET HOLDERS
Dear Valued Season Ticket Holder,
Thank you to those who have filled out our post-season survey. We appreciate your honest feedback as we continue to plan for the 2019-2020 season of men's basketball.
If you haven't had a chance to fill it out yet, please click here.
We are working on some exciting new projects this spring, including a Season Ticket Incentive Plan that we will announce closer to the end of the summer. (emphasis added) Currently we are giving fans an opportunity to reserve their spot in line for season tickets. Before we begin this new reservation system for new season ticket holders, we wanted to make sure to communicate to you that as a current season ticket holder, your spot is secure. You will still have top seat selection priority over any new holders. Additionally, the seats you held last season will be available to you when renewals begin in early September.
Please keep an eye out for a mailing this fall to renew your season tickets for the 2019-2020 Valpo Men's Basketball season! New season ticket holders will be given the opportunity to choose their seats after renewals are completed.
We thank you again for your continued support of Valpo Men's Basketball and Valpo Athletics!
With the return of Javon, it seems that we are looking to be a very good defensive team. It sounds as if Donovan can play D like Javon but has more length. We know Sackey is quick, and he has shown that he can harass ball handlers. Other recruits' defensive ability has been highlighted as well. With some questions at center, I wonder if we will see more full court pressure preventing opponents to get into a half-court set.
Javon coming back is so huge for this program!
Guys there is a considerable amount of talent on this roster. The only question mark for me is the young and inexperienced front court
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1123974244696825856?s=21
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1125201086586007552?s=21
We trying to get out of town? Vacation time?
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1125380832712114183
We should go to Norway, Denmark and maybe Sweden or Holland. Two games in each country.
But it's a bummer that so many are going abroad. It kinda dilutes the benefits for the season that follows cuz instead of being the only team with 6 or so games under their belt before the college season Valpo starts even up with four other MVC schools who also benefited from those trips.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 06, 2019, 11:55:33 AM
We should go to Norway, Denmark and maybe Sweden or Holland. Two games in each country.
But it's a bummer that so many are going abroad. It kinda dilutes the benefits for the season that follows cuz instead of being the only team with 6 or so games under their belt before the college season Valpo starts even up with four other MVC schools who also benefited from those trips.
Basketball programs can only take 1 oversees trip every 4 years. I'm surprised that 5 of 10 MVC programs are eligible in the same year.
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Quote from: wh on May 06, 2019, 12:30:51 PMQuote from: VULB#62 on May 06, 2019, 11:55:33 AMWe should go to Norway, Denmark and maybe Sweden or Holland. Two games in each country. But it's a bummer that so many are going abroad. It kinda dilutes the benefits for the season that follows cuz instead of being the only team with 6 or so games under their belt before the college season Valpo starts even up with four other MVC schools who also benefited from those trips.
Basketball programs can only take 1 oversees trip every 4 years. I'm surprised that 5 of 10 MVC programs are eligible in the same year. .
What a great year for Valpo to be eligible for it though. With all the new faces and new look the team will have, will be great to have several practice games under our belt going into the season and help work out a good rotation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OjfDTsV9uc
https://twitter.com/YkGrind/status/1125558725161488384
Did Valpo add a coach to the staff? Or are they referring to the women's team with Dani Franklin?
https://twitter.com/hoopgrouprunner/status/1126466312706895874?s=21
[tweet]1127982823661424642[/tweet]
This is a good get. I like it!!!
The Antelopes were 20-14 last year 10-6 in the WAC with a NET Ranking of 104.
Bracket for the Jam.
Looks like the birds got into the more competitive bracket though but I still like the possibility of playing Nevada if we win our first game which I believe we can.
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 13, 2019, 12:58:36 PM
Looks like the birds got into the more competitive bracket though but I still like the possibility of playing Nevada if we win our first game which I believe we can.
Nevada should be awful. They will almost an entirely new roster.
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 13, 2019, 12:58:36 PMLooks like the birds got into the more competitive bracket though but I still like the possibility of playing Nevada if we win our first game which I believe we can.
Would also love to see Ill State beat Cincinnati after seeing their fan base bash and berate the other teams in the tournament as losers and unworthy opponents to them.
Quote from: vu72 on May 13, 2019, 01:23:34 PM
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 13, 2019, 12:58:36 PM
Looks like the birds got into the more competitive bracket though but I still like the possibility of playing Nevada if we win our first game which I believe we can.
Nevada should be awful. They will almost an entirely new roster.
Sounds all to familiar especially 3 weeks ago. Perhaps that is why we are in the same bracket.
Quote from: vu72 on May 13, 2019, 01:23:34 PM
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 13, 2019, 12:58:36 PM
Looks like the birds got into the more competitive bracket though but I still like the possibility of playing Nevada if we win our first game which I believe we can.
Nevada should be awful. They will almost an entirely new roster.
I like the draw. Valpo has a great chance to get through to the finals.
The brackets do look interesting but until I know what we have I will refrain from commenting about our possible opponents.
I remain cautiously optimistic for Lorange, Krikke, and Freese-Vilien but that is long term only. For 19-20 I just can't see them carrying much of the load. If that proves correct then our best case is largely dependent on Fazekas, Freeman, Gordon and Robinson. Do the talents of those 4 place our best case NET at maybe 110 to 140? Looks to me like big freshman contributions will be required just to tread water. Worst-case? I don't even want to think about it. :'(
Quote from: justducky on May 13, 2019, 02:05:50 PM
The brackets do look interesting but until I know what we have I will refrain from commenting about our possible opponents.
I remain cautiously optimistic for Lorange, Krikke, and Freese-Vilien but that is long term only. For 19-20 I just can't see them carrying much of the load. If that proves correct then our best case is largely dependent on Fazekas, Freeman, Gordon and Robinson. Do the talents of those 4 place our best case NET at maybe 110 to 140? Looks to me like big freshman contributions will be required just to tread water. Worst-case? I don't even want to think about it. :'(
You are correct in that is "sight unseen" at this point. Having said that, I do expect positive contributions from the freshman, particularly Lorange--who has played and contributed for several years internationally an is a scoring points-- and Krikke, who is a matchup problem with his size and shooting. Freese-Vilien looks like a wait and see project and that is why we need a big who is experienced--and able to stay on the floor more than Mileek. If healthy, I like relying on the four you mentioned to lead the way. They all are "seniors" age wise.
I will be in St. Thomas from Aug. 22nd through the end of Sept. - so close to Jam time, yet so far. If anyone wants advice on where to stay, what to do, places to eat, best place to rent a car, driving on the left (lol), etc., let me know. I know STT about as well as Valpo.
Quote from: justducky on May 13, 2019, 02:05:50 PM
The brackets do look interesting but until I know what we have I will refrain from commenting about our possible opponents.
I remain cautiously optimistic for Lorange, Krikke, and Freese-Vilien but that is long term only. For 19-20 I just can't see them carrying much of the load. If that proves correct then our best case is largely dependent on Fazekas, Freeman, Gordon and Robinson. Do the talents of those 4 place our best case NET at maybe 110 to 140? Looks to me like big freshman contributions will be required just to tread water. Worst-case? I don't even want to think about it. :'(
I agree that we really can't expect significant contributions from the freshman, if we can get Freeman/Walker numbers from one of them it will be a huge bonus. I DO expect to see major contributions from Gordon and Robinson. Both of these players were highly rated coming out of high school and should be hungry to prove themselves. If Robinson plays anything like he did at the end of his sophomore season
QuoteFrom St Joseph Biol: Received the Robert O'Neill Award as the team's Most Improved Player... Averaged 7.7 points, 5.2 rebounds and 2.5 assists per game... Averaged 9.5 points and 5.7 rebounds in A-10 contests... Shot a team-best 83.9 percent from the foul line in conference games... Scored double figures in the final seven games of the season, averaging 14.1 points and 7.1 rebounds during that stretch, while shooting 58 percent from the field... Recorded game-high 14 points on 4-of-9 shooting from the floor and added nine rebounds in the Atlantic 10 quarterfinal win over George Mason... Poured in career-high 20 points on 8-of-12 shooting from the floor and added eight rebounds in win over Richmond... Recorded first career double-double with 16 points and career-high 11 rebounds in win over Duquesne.
he should be a huge contributor for this team and a
very good MVC player on
both ends of the court. IMHO Fazekas, Freeman, Gordon and Robinson are much better options than anything we had last year surrounding Smits or Sorolla. Please give me some context as to why you think these players are just treading water compared to last years group.
Quote from: FWalum on May 13, 2019, 07:17:21 PMIMHO Fazekas, Freeman, Gordon and Robinson are much better options than anything we had last year surrounding Smits or Sorolla. Please give me some context as to why you think these players are just treading water compared to last years group.
I'm looking at the net effect of the individual contributions. Yes Robinson and Gordon should be better than Golder and Evelyn but unless they can hit 3 pointers the improvement might be only marginal. Then replace 40 minutes of 7 foot junior play with freshman or McMillan play and you'll get where I'm going. As is we must stay healthy and have no major newcomer disappointments. Only then might we contend for the top half of the Valley.
We will need a lot from Zion Morgan and Donovan Clay. Maybe that happens and maybe it doesn't.
Should we schedule the foreign trip for this summer or next? I could make good arguments for either option.
Looks like Vandy is coming to town! Or at least an SEC team. Mark L just announced that next week they will announce home games for teams from the MAC, A-10 and SEC!!
Quote from: justducky on May 14, 2019, 09:05:13 AMI'm looking at the net effect of the individual contributions. Yes Robinson and Gordon should be better than Golder and Evelyn but unless they can hit 3 pointers the improvement might be only marginal. Then replace 40 minutes of 7 foot junior play with freshman or McMillan play and you'll get where I'm going. As is we must stay healthy and have no major newcomer disappointments. Only then might we contend for the top half of the Valley.
I am sorry, thought that you were mainly talking about the 1-4 positions that I think will have increased depth and talent. I agree that the 5 is a hole in the new roster that will be difficult for us to fill if Sorolla does not come back. I don't like McMillan at the 5, he will be much better at the 4, so that could potentially put a lot of pressure on the hope that Freese-Vilien is ready for the physicality of the DI game that the coaches seem to think he has shown in the Denmark professional basketball league.
Quote from: vu72 on May 14, 2019, 02:11:22 PM
Looks like Vandy is coming to town! Or at least an SEC team. Mark L just announced that next week they will announce home games for teams from the MAC, A-10 and SEC!!
My guess
MAC - Ball State.
(Some say we will play in Muncie next year).
A-10 - George Washington (return game).
SEC - Vanderbilt
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 14, 2019, 07:58:56 PM
Quote from: vu72 on May 14, 2019, 02:11:22 PM
Looks like Vandy is coming to town! Or at least an SEC team. Mark L just announced that next week they will announce home games for teams from the MAC, A-10 and SEC!!
My guess
MAC - Ball State.
(Some say we will play in Muncie next year).
A-10 - George Washington (return game).
SEC - Vanderbilt
I agree with your logic. At first I thought not BSU again, they'd never play us 4-years in a row.......
Then I looked at the schedules back to 2012/13 (last year we didn't play BSU). That's six years consecutive and this coming season would make seven!
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 14, 2019, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 14, 2019, 07:58:56 PM
Quote from: vu72 on May 14, 2019, 02:11:22 PM
Looks like Vandy is coming to town! Or at least an SEC team. Mark L just announced that next week they will announce home games for teams from the MAC, A-10 and SEC!!
My guess
MAC - Ball State.
(Some say we will play in Muncie next year).
A-10 - George Washington (return game).
SEC - Vanderbilt
I agree with your logic. At first I thought not BSU again, they'd never play us 4-years in a row.......
Then I looked at the schedules back to 2012/13 (last year we didn't play BSU). That's six years consecutive and this coming season would make seven!
If you go back even further we played Ball State 10 times in the last 13 seasons with an even 5 and 5 record.
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 14, 2019, 07:58:56 PMMy guess
MAC - Ball State.
We should be playing multiple MAC teams every season. With that in mind my wild guess (based only on distance and drive time) would be Western Michigan or Northern Illinois.
I doubt if it is Ohio. I can remember reading their board 6 years back and they felt then that a home and home with VU was beneath them. ???
Odds the students will be around when that SEC school comes to town??
Quote from: M on May 15, 2019, 11:37:21 AMOdds the students will be around when that SEC school comes to town??
Sure hope so. Would be a little disappointing having an empty student section for such a big game, but still wouldn't pass up on them coming to the ARC.
Got one date set and it's at least a D 1 to start with.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1128734122783006720
Toledo looks like they had a nice year last season, 25-8, checking in at number 67 in the NET (one spot behind that school south of us). Home schedule is already better then this past season.
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 14, 2019, 07:58:56 PMSEC - Vanderbilt
So this will happen for sure?!
I guess it will actually be a lot easier since Bryce will not be guiding the Comicdoors. Maybe we should have Bryce sit on the Valpo bench and give some of the Vandy players a shock that distracts them enough. It could be a battle of the "GO VU" chants.
Quote from: M on May 15, 2019, 01:58:40 PM
Toledo looks like they had a nice year last season, 25-8, checking in at number 67 in the NET (one spot behind that school south of us). Home schedule is already better then this past season.
Opening up at home against a D1 program of this caliber that would hope to be a competitive game is very exciting. I was pleasantly surprised we did not see another non D1 season opener.
Here's my way-too-early guess at how the minutes are split next season (assuming no more players are added):
Fazekas - 30
Freeman - 30
Robinson - 25
McMillan - 20
Gordon - 20
Sackey - 15
Lorange - 15
Krikke - 15
Kiser - 10
Morgan - 10
Clay - 10
Quote from: EddieCabot on May 22, 2019, 02:28:44 PMHere's my way-too-early guess at how the minutes are split next season (assuming no more players are added): Fazekas - 30 Freeman - 30 Robinson - 25 McMillan - 20 Gordon - 20 Sackey - 15 Lorange - 15 Krikke - 15 Kiser - 10 Morgan - 10 Clay - 10
You forgot Freese-Vilien
Fazekas - 25
Freeman - 25
Gordon - 25
Robinson - 20
Morgan - 20
Clay - 20
Freese-Vilien - 15
Sakey - 15
McMillen - 10
Lorange - 10
Krikke - 10
Kiser - 5
Quote from: vuny98 on May 22, 2019, 03:17:06 PM
You forgot Freese-Vilien
Fazekas - 25
Freeman - 25
Gordon - 25
Robinson - 20
Morgan - 20
Clay - 20
Freese-Vilien - 15
Sakey - 15
McMillen - 10
Lorange - 10
Krikke - 10
Kiser - 5
I didn't forget him. No way he plays more minutes than McMillen, Krikke and Kiser. :twocents:
Quote from: EddieCabot on May 22, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
Quote from: vuny98 on May 22, 2019, 03:17:06 PM
You forgot Freese-Vilien
Fazekas - 25
Freeman - 25
Gordon - 25
Robinson - 20
Morgan - 20
Clay - 20
Freese-Vilien - 15
Sakey - 15
McMillen - 10
Lorange - 10
Krikke - 10
Kiser - 5
I didn't forget him. No way he plays more minutes than McMillen, Krikke and Kiser. :twocents:
I like most of your estimates, I'm just doubtful that 11+ players get 5+ mpg. That assumes we have more blowout W/L than should be expected.
I also think that these freshman G are deep on the bench.
https://twitter.com/ValpoLife/status/1131349021073666049
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1133421711167250432
The schedule is starting to drop in now.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1133826819696877569
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 29, 2019, 03:42:37 PM
The schedule is starting to drop in now.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1133826819696877569
I really hope this is a night game. Saturday night games against higher level non-con opponents are a ton of fun.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 29, 2019, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 29, 2019, 03:42:37 PM
The schedule is starting to drop in now.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1133826819696877569
I really hope this is a night game. Saturday night games against higher level non-con opponents are a ton of fun.
Someone should message his future coach about his prolific end of half/game last shot abilities. To be fair, it's on Lottich after the first 7 tries so this is just being snarky.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 29, 2019, 07:47:53 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on May 29, 2019, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 29, 2019, 03:42:37 PM
The schedule is starting to drop in now.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1133826819696877569
I really hope this is a night game. Saturday night games against higher level non-con opponents are a ton of fun.
Someone should message his future coach about his prolific end of half/game last shot abilities. To be fair, it's on Lottich after the first 7 tries so this is just being snarky.
Someone should message me to post on the right threads! 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Quote from: VU2014 on May 29, 2019, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 29, 2019, 03:42:37 PM
The schedule is starting to drop in now.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1133826819696877569
I really hope this is a night game. Saturday night games against higher level non-con opponents are a ton of fun.
Saturday, December 7, is the day after classes end and before final exams start on the following Monday. It is the official "Reading Day"; therefore, there should be no excuse for students taking a break from studies to attend the game!
Quote from: valpopal on May 30, 2019, 10:04:43 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on May 29, 2019, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 29, 2019, 03:42:37 PM
The schedule is starting to drop in now.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1133826819696877569
I really hope this is a night game. Saturday night games against higher level non-con opponents are a ton of fun.
Saturday, December 7, is the day after classes end and before final exams start on the following Monday. It is the official "Reading Day"; therefore, there should be no excuse for students taking a break from studies to attend the game!
Reading is overrated ;)
Quote from: VU2014 on May 30, 2019, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: valpopal on May 30, 2019, 10:04:43 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on May 29, 2019, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 29, 2019, 03:42:37 PM
The schedule is starting to drop in now.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1133826819696877569
I really hope this is a night game. Saturday night games against higher level non-con opponents are a ton of fun.
Saturday, December 7, is the day after classes end and before final exams start on the following Monday. It is the official "Reading Day"; therefore, there should be no excuse for students taking a break from studies to attend the game!
Reading is overrated ;)
Reading is fundamental...remember those commercials???🤓🤪
Perhaps a prime example of why journalism is in such a sad state nowadays. The author of this interview with Eron Gordon writes: "This season, Valpo will return it's top five scorers from a year ago, and will undoubtedly be a favorite to take home an NCAA Tournament berth from the MVC." In addition, the interview is awful and non-substantive. Nevertheless, here it is: https://cbbreview.com/2019/06/03/q-a-with-valparaiso-guard-eron-gordon/ (https://cbbreview.com/2019/06/03/q-a-with-valparaiso-guard-eron-gordon/)
The NCAA is moving the 3 point line back to match international rules...
Perhaps not the best timing given our current roster.... I don't give a crap about our Center or lack there of... Our season depends on have 2-3 guys who can consistently hit from the outside and 2 more that can at least be streaky.
We are completely unproven in that regard, especially with Fazekas having a long history of health issues.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on June 05, 2019, 03:00:55 PM
The NCAA is moving the 3 point line back to match international rules...
Perhaps not the best timing given our current roster.... I don't give a crap about our Center or lack there of... Our season depends on have 2-3 guys who can consistently hit from the outside and 2 more that can at least be streaky.
We are completely unproven in that regard, especially with Fazekas having a long history of health issues.
Our foreign guys have been shooting from this distance all along. We have some guys coming in with proven three point skills. Including our new point guard, Ben K and Donovan Clay. I think we will be fine.
Who do you think the "breakout player" for Valpo will be next season? I'm not sure. Sackey needs to take a big step up in his game next season to make that happen. He needs play more in control next season. He can't hit the gas pedal every time he touches the ball. He needs to learn to set up the offense and take what the defense is giving him.
https://twitter.com/hoops_mvc/status/1136106369050955776
Quote from: VU2014 on June 05, 2019, 09:00:51 PM
Who do you think the "breakout player" for Valpo will be next season? I'm not sure. Sackey needs to take a big step up in his game next season to make that happen. He needs play more in control next season. He can't hit the gas pedal every time he touches the ball. He needs to learn to set up the offense and take what the defense is giving him.
https://twitter.com/hoops_mvc/status/1136106369050955776
I don't think it will be Sackey unless he drastically improves his shooting. Not sure what "breakout" means as probably the two best players, or those with the potential to have the biggest impact on team results are two guys who were on the team last year--Robinson and Gordon. I'm more interested in which freshman/new guy will have the biggest impact.
Quote from: valpopal on June 05, 2019, 10:21:17 AM
Perhaps a prime example of why journalism is in such a sad state nowadays. The author of this interview with Eron Gordon writes: "This season, Valpo will return it's top five scorers from a year ago, and will undoubtedly be a favorite to take home an NCAA Tournament berth from the MVC." In addition, the interview is awful and non-substantive. Nevertheless, here it is: https://cbbreview.com/2019/06/03/q-a-with-valparaiso-guard-eron-gordon/ (https://cbbreview.com/2019/06/03/q-a-with-valparaiso-guard-eron-gordon/)
in the comments section of the story:
Brad Anderson June 5, 2019 11:59 am
Valpo is returning only 2 of 5 top scorers from last year. Same is true of minutes and rebounds. After significant transfer-related roster turnover, this team is a huge unknown, not a favorite to win the conference.
Reply
Mat Mlodzinski [the writer of the story] June 5, 2019 12:00 pm
Thanks for the input! Regardless, it's a team with talent.
I choose to look at things from a glass half full perspective.
For example,
At least we'll feel right at home in the good ol' ARC. So, that's a *known*. And, we have the same coaching staff (to my knowledge). So, that's another *known.*
Probably still can bank on a one or two scoop from Culver's to make up for the crappy concessions. So, that's like the trifecta of trifectas.
Quote from: bbtds on June 06, 2019, 08:45:26 AM
Quote from: valpopal on June 05, 2019, 10:21:17 AM
Perhaps a prime example of why journalism is in such a sad state nowadays. The author of this interview with Eron Gordon writes: "This season, Valpo will return it's top five scorers from a year ago, and will undoubtedly be a favorite to take home an NCAA Tournament berth from the MVC." In addition, the interview is awful and non-substantive. Nevertheless, here it is: https://cbbreview.com/2019/06/03/q-a-with-valparaiso-guard-eron-gordon/ (https://cbbreview.com/2019/06/03/q-a-with-valparaiso-guard-eron-gordon/)
in the comments section of the story:
Brad Anderson June 5, 2019 11:59 am
Valpo is returning only 2 of 5 top scorers from last year. Same is true of minutes and rebounds. After significant transfer-related roster turnover, this team is a huge unknown, not a favorite to win the conference.
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Mat Mlodzinski [the writer of the story] June 5, 2019 12:00 pm
Thanks for the input! Regardless, it's a team with talent.
And he hasn't even corrected the story.
[EDIT] It's been updated.
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on June 06, 2019, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: bbtds on June 06, 2019, 08:45:26 AM
Quote from: valpopal on June 05, 2019, 10:21:17 AM
Perhaps a prime example of why journalism is in such a sad state nowadays. The author of this interview with Eron Gordon writes: "This season, Valpo will return it's top five scorers from a year ago, and will undoubtedly be a favorite to take home an NCAA Tournament berth from the MVC." In addition, the interview is awful and non-substantive. Nevertheless, here it is: https://cbbreview.com/2019/06/03/q-a-with-valparaiso-guard-eron-gordon/ (https://cbbreview.com/2019/06/03/q-a-with-valparaiso-guard-eron-gordon/)
in the comments section of the story:
Brad Anderson June 5, 2019 11:59 am
Valpo is returning only 2 of 5 top scorers from last year. Same is true of minutes and rebounds. After significant transfer-related roster turnover, this team is a huge unknown, not a favorite to win the conference.
Reply
Mat Mlodzinski [the writer of the story] June 5, 2019 12:00 pm
Thanks for the input! Regardless, it's a team with talent.
And he hasn't even corrected the story.
[EDIT] It's been updated.
Brad Anderson June 8, 2019 10:04 am
Journalism pro-tip: To build and and maintain credibility, make corrections to factual errors in your writing. For bonus points, point out the correction.
Reply
Mat Mlodzinski June 8, 2019 10:20 am
Done. Thank you for the tip.
Read these comments... This is what the fanbase thinks right now...
https://twitter.com/hoops_mvc/status/1135390103751266306
At least JFL is working really hard! Hopefully he has a big year. We need him!
https://twitter.com/Givemeliberty30/status/1137683197054083072
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 11, 2019, 02:13:33 PM
Read these comments... This is what the fanbase thinks right now...
https://twitter.com/hoops_mvc/status/1135390103751266306
At least JFL is working really hard! Hopefully he has a big year. We need him!
https://twitter.com/Givemeliberty30/status/1137683197054083072
Anyone (especially someone who isn't a Valpo fan) who thinks they know where this team will finish next year is kidding themselves. I think a lot of people will pick us very low. Why wouldn't they, given the way the last 2 years have gone? That said, this is a completely different team in almost every respect than those teams. How that translates on the court is pure speculation. Just for clarity, let me say it one more time. If you think you know how this team is going to do, you don't.
Quote from: wh on June 11, 2019, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 11, 2019, 02:13:33 PM
Read these comments... This is what the fanbase thinks right now...
https://twitter.com/hoops_mvc/status/1135390103751266306
At least JFL is working really hard! Hopefully he has a big year. We need him!
https://twitter.com/Givemeliberty30/status/1137683197054083072
Anyone (especially someone who isn't a Valpo fan) who thinks they know where this team will finish next year is kidding themselves. I think a lot of people will pick us very low. Why wouldn't they, given the way the last 2 years have gone? That said, this is a completely different team in almost every respect than those teams. How that translates on the court is pure speculation. Just for clarity, let me say it one more time. If you think you know how this team is going to do, you don't.
Completely agree. This team is a complete mystery next season. There are always teams in the league that are far better and far worse then most everyone expects. Just look at the MVC media polls. They are the "experts" who follow the league closer than anyone and they generally are way off in their predictions with quite a few teams every year.
We won't know how good these can be till we see them on the court playing. I think the coaches probably can get a sense how good they will be once they get through summer workouts but the chances of them telling the 100% truth of how good (or how bad) they think they can be is slim to none.
Canada again? Interesting that they didn't choose more of tourist destination (ex: Europe). Maybe this for recruiting reasons? Better competition available in Canada? They played an exhibition vs the top Canadian college team last time.
https://twitter.com/michaelosipoff/status/1142084976726487041?s=21
Quote from: VU2014 on June 21, 2019, 10:42:19 AM
Canada again? Interesting that they didn't choose more of tourist destination (ex: Europe). Maybe this for recruiting reasons? Better competition available in Canada? They played an exhibition vs the top Canadian college team last time.
https://twitter.com/michaelosipoff/status/1142084976726487041?s=21
Solid points, it most certainly adds value from a recruiting perspective. I get where some of the elite programs tout "we've been _______" but I don't think that is why Valpo recruits choose Valpo. I'd keep hammering Canada because clearly there is good talent available.
This is also allows them to give Sackey some games at home since they can only do these every 4 years.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on June 21, 2019, 11:14:32 AMQuote from: VU2014 on June 21, 2019, 10:42:19 AMCanada again? Interesting that they didn't choose more of tourist destination (ex: Europe). Maybe this for recruiting reasons? Better competition available in Canada? They played an exhibition vs the top Canadian college team last time. [tweet]1142084976726487041[/tweet]?s=21
Solid points, it most certainly adds value from a recruiting perspective. I get where some of the elite programs tout "we've been _______" but I don't think that is why Valpo recruits choose Valpo. I'd keep hammering Canada because clearly there is good talent available.
I'm sure its a balancing act of recruiting priorities, budgets and availability of teams. For instance, Australia may be seen as a great place to recruit, but if it'll kill the teams budget and there are already several other universities teams traveling there, there may not be availability to schedule the teams you would want. It may not be as fun for the athletes, but Canada probably hits on all areas to make it a solid choice.
Quote from: crusader05 on June 21, 2019, 12:00:39 PM
This is also allows them to give Sackey some games at home since they can only do these every 4 years.
I'm sure the team is really looking forward to, like the Blackhawks, some "Wild times in Winnipeg." ;)
Quote from: VU2014 on June 21, 2019, 10:42:19 AM
Canada again? Interesting that they didn't choose more of tourist destination (ex: Europe). Maybe this for recruiting reasons? Better competition available in Canada? They played an exhibition vs the top Canadian college team last time.
https://twitter.com/michaelosipoff/status/1142084976726487041?s=21
The competition in Canada is very good and they play a style similar to the US college game. And obviously, it's much cheaper than traveling overseas.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1142084622693601282?s=21
I thought it was a little odd that the article mentions Sackey but not Krikke.
Just saw that Krikke has been selected to tryout for the Canada U19 team going to the World Cup in Greece. As he is one of the best in that age group it is highly unlikely that he won't make the final 12. Those games are June 29-July 7 so he wil be back in time to make the Valpo trip.
http://abbasketball.ca/article/52174
Quote from: VU2014 on June 21, 2019, 12:47:30 PM
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1142084622693601282?s=21
Hope they don't take the team white water rafting before an evening game like I think they did the last time they went to Canada. As I recall the guys played like they had lead weights in their shoes in that game and lost.
Quote from: crusader05 on June 21, 2019, 12:00:39 PM
This is also allows them to give Sackey some games at home since they can only do these every 4 years.
Quebec City is 2500 km
Montreal is 2250 km
Same country though!
temps sauvages à Montréal et le Québec.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on June 21, 2019, 04:13:14 PMQuote from: crusader05 on June 21, 2019, 12:00:39 PMThis is also allows them to give Sackey some games at home since they can only do these every 4 years.
Quebec City is 2500 km Montreal is 2250 km Same country though!
Yeah, Valpo is closer to Montreal than Sackey's Winnipeg home.
I more just meant that he gets to play in his home country.
They should see Vieux Montreal and Port Montreal. The Science Musee is very good but as the Quebecoise insist, all in French. The Catholic churches are magical and the old 1976 Olympic Village is neat. Also the former amusement park in the island where the 1967 World's Fair was held is interesting. Some of the architecture is very unique. Pont Jacque Cartier is the connecter from the St. Lawrence island to the Isle de Montreal. On the Isle de Montreal there are no "right turns on red" allowed.
The walled city of Old Quebec is extremely interesting and historic to both Canadian & American history. They should all try and order pizza in French
I forgot the view from Mont Royal Park which was made famous in a movie with Bruce Willis and that guy from Friends, Matthew Perry. I forget the name of the movie, though.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1142213750797275136
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1142214114128912385
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1142214615289532416
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1142215374009774081
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1142215795856093184
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1142216646905552896
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1142216891605368832
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1142427939469963265
Quote from: bbtds on June 22, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
I forgot the view from Mont Royal Park which was made famous in a movie with Bruce Willis and that guy from Friends, Matthew Perry. I forget the name of the movie, though.
The Whole Nine Yards, I believe.
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on June 23, 2019, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: bbtds on June 22, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
I forgot the view from Mont Royal Park which was made famous in a movie with Bruce Willis and that guy from Friends, Matthew Perry. I forget the name of the movie, though.
The Whole Nine Yards, I believe.
Yes, it was "The Whole Nine Yards."
Shooting also took place at the city overlook on the top of Mont Royal,https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/20iujv/what_is_the_montreal_park_in_the_whole_nine_yards/
Quote from: crusader05 on June 21, 2019, 12:00:39 PM
This is also allows them to give Sackey some games at home since they can only do these every 4 years.
Except our Canadian players are from the western provinces. These games are all in the Ontario/Quebec area. Been nice for last year's grads... I'm guessing they WILL play "Oh Canada" before the games.
What's nice to hear is that Tevonn and Max will be with the team for part of this trip.
Tevonn and Max are the epitome of team players. I predicted that Max would leave each year after his first 2, but he stuck through it all, and got his chance during his SR season. I have a lot of respect for both.
Oh man! What a big boost that's going to be! Those two can really teach the team the Valpo way and what it means to be a Crusader. My hope and optimism for this team is rising already.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 24, 2019, 09:43:23 PM
Oh man! What a big boost that's going to be! Those two can really teach the team the Valpo way and what it means to be a Crusader. My hope and optimism for this team is rising already.
Agree. The team strayed a bit the last two years and Lottich was unable to rein in the malcontents (although he can put the blame on them). I think the new group is much tighter knit and being around Max and Tevonn will only strengthen that bond.
It's been a little slow around these parts. Saw this from VUBBFan and definitely worth sharing. I'm almost more intrigued to see this 2019-20 squad than I was the 18-19 squad because there are so many new faces and there are some guys like Nick Robinson, Gordon who could be high impact newcomers. Heard some nice things about Zion Morgan (serious competitor). I'm almost certain Robinson is going to be an impact guy from the get go. Also Javon coming back is absolutely huge. How big of a step does he and Sackey take next season. Also, what about these freshman? They all seem like they have a lot of potential, but you never know till you actually see them on the court. It sounds like Siggy (PG) has a chance to more a instant contributor than most freshman. I'm really excited about Clay's future. Will Fazekas be healthy this season? Fazekas will be playing through a little pain, because he didn't have ankle surgery because he didn't want to be out the whole season. Will Mileek take the next step we badly need him to? The front-court is very inexperienced right now. Is this a make or break season for Coach Lottich?
I can't think of a season where there were so many huge question marks going into the season, but also has the chance to be solid (maybe good or bad?). This team has some talent but I honestly have no clue how good we can be. This team is a bit of mystery to me right now. But I'm really excite to see how the team looks on the court. This is one of those seasons where you should actually be very interested to watch those D2 tune-up games and preseason exhibitions. Heck I've already decided that I'll be attending an exhibition game if my schedule doesn't have any conflicts. I really want to watch this team. It's a big year for the program, if things go really south maybe we'll get new leadership. But I'm still holding out hope that Lottich can turn things around. My only expectations are that we compete hard every night and that by seasons end that we all know the program is headed in the right direction.
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1143662027958870016
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1143667590096728064
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1143672136931958784
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1143674393379442688
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1143676959462952960
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1143677778551812096
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1143719063497203712
It was interesting watching and talking a little with the players at Central Park. Talked with Ryan and he seems anxious to get back on the court for his Senior year. Not having surgery he will play with a little bit of discomfort at times but said it should not be that much of a hinderance.
Listening in on a casual conversation that Sackey was having, I could hear the maturity and seriousness, in his manner of speech, that I for one never possessed when I was a sophomore in College (many years ago). He was talking like one would expect of a confident positive leader.
Also got the feeling that Zion and Robinson will bring a lot of passion to the game.
Seeing Donovan in person he looks taller than the 6'6" VC has him listed and is not the skinny kid I've seen in some of his highlight videos. He was acting like a happy go lucky kid that was genuinely excited to be here in Valpo.
Javon, well I was just happy to see him back here and he seemed happy to be here too.
Depending on how well this teams gels together, it could be a very interesting or exasperating season to come. Anyway I'm excited for it to begin.
https://twitter.com/valleyhoops/status/1145704827722354689?s=21
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1145724638594588673
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1145725253018107904
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1145725667029520384
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1145726731858395137
You wonder if Lottich thinks anything negative at all about his current team or is he just a huge advocate of the power of positive thinking.
Quote from: bbtds on July 01, 2019, 11:43:03 AM
You wonder if Lottich thinks anything negative at all about his current team or is he just a huge advocate of the power of positive thinking.
I don't know of many coaches who would go on the record and start stating their team's weakness publicly in July. He and the team wouldn't gain anything from that. Yeah, I'd like to hear a candid and thorough breakdown of the current strengths and weaknesses of the team, but it is what is. It's all about trying to create positive vibes right now.
https://twitter.com/BrandonVickrey/status/1145752515637587968
https://twitter.com/NACBM/status/1145857725890531328
Valparaiso offseason notebook: Freeman-Liberty's stroke improves; Lottich reacts to rule changes
Robbie Weinstein robert.weinstein@nwi.com
Jul 1, 2019
https://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-offseason-notebook-freeman-liberty-s-stroke-improves-lottich-reacts/article_3a8a603f-fa13-5a25-9c56-6547a9d63d27.html
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1145869235538845696
Quote from: VU2014 :)link=topic=3394.msg116646#msg116646 date=1562003655I don't know of many coaches who would go on the record and start stating their team's weakness publicly in July. He and the team wouldn't gain anything from that.
That's not what I said. I said I wonder if he "thinks" anything negative about his team. It is not a question of whether he should come out with negative statements. But we all know that after last year there are most likely some negative things going on with this team and when a head coach is only positive in his assessment of the players we react by taking it all in with a grain of salt because we know everything isn't all rosy and wonder what the head coach is leaving out. We all know what Lottich is projecting about these players is not all accurate because there have to be some negatives he is not mentioning.
Team bonding
https://twitter.com/valpobasketball/status/1146193418579775488?s=21
So in a few of these videos/pictures, there is someone I do not recognize. The guy with the beard (all the way to the right in the video from Al at the picnic table) and I believe in the center of this latest picture. Isn't from last year and not one of the newcomers I know of. Sorry if there's an obvious answer, just curious.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 02, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
Team bonding
https://twitter.com/valpobasketball/status/1146193418579775488?s=21
So that's Sackey and Mileek for sure, who are the other two? Might be Zion Morgan but unsure of the fourth guy...anyone?
10 minutes into the pool game Mileek fouled out.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 02, 2019, 07:45:04 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 02, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
Team bonding
https://twitter.com/valpobasketball/status/1146193418579775488?s=21
So that's Sackey and Mileek for sure, who are the other two? Might be Zion Morgan but unsure of the fourth guy...anyone?
Is that Krikke or Freese-Villien (fr euro center)? I that's one of them, then those height measurements were way off. That's not Kiser is it?
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on July 02, 2019, 08:06:48 PM
10 minutes into the pool game Mileek fouled out.
(https://i.imgur.com/W9jXXjY.gif?noredirect)
I believe the four dudes in the pool pic are Sackey, Mileek, Zion, and the new walk-on.
Quote from: tiny707 on July 02, 2019, 08:15:01 PM
I believe the four dudes in the pool pic are Sackey, Mileek, Zion, and the new walk-on.
Do we have a second walk-on other than Luke Morrill?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4X9TMRW4AMQ5cF.jpg)
Quote from: tiny707 on July 02, 2019, 08:15:01 PM
I believe the four dudes in the pool pic are Sackey, Mileek, Zion, and the new walk-on.
Agree on the first three...not sure about Morrill...he would have grown up a whole lot in a couple of months. Doesn't look like Krikke or Mr. Freese according to their pictures either. Interesting.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 02, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on July 02, 2019, 08:15:01 PM
I believe the four dudes in the pool pic are Sackey, Mileek, Zion, and the new walk-on.
Do we have a second walk-on other than Luke Morrill?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4X9TMRW4AMQ5cF.jpg)
Isn't Langston Stalling the other walk on? Or should I say original
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1146252777510846465
I thought Morrill was in pool pic because he looked like he was in one of Al's pic's from Central Park.
Quote from: govalpogo on July 02, 2019, 07:41:49 PM
So in a few of these videos/pictures, there is someone I do not recognize. The guy with the beard (all the way to the right in the video from Al at the picnic table) and I believe in the center of this latest picture. Isn't from last year and not one of the newcomers I know of. Sorry if there's an obvious answer, just curious.
That's Ryan Fazekas.
Quote from: VUBBFan on July 02, 2019, 10:35:57 PM
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1146252777510846465
Have to feel for the kid. Hope he can stay healthy, but his ankle situation reminds me of Brad Davidson's shoulder issue, where basically it's just a matter of time this season before he gets hurt and is going to be hampered by this issue.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 02, 2019, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 02, 2019, 07:45:04 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 02, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
Team bonding
https://twitter.com/valpobasketball/status/1146193418579775488?s=21
So that's Sackey and Mileek for sure, who are the other two? Might be Zion Morgan but unsure of the fourth guy...anyone?
Is that Krikke or Freese-Villien (fr euro center)? I that's one of them, then those height measurements were way off. That's not Kiser is it?
Could be. He looks to be about the same size as Mileek. I just checked and saw that Krikke didn't make the Canada U19 squad so it could be one of the Canada guys. Way to big to be the new walk-on.
Quote from: vu72 on July 03, 2019, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: govalpogo on July 02, 2019, 07:41:49 PM
So in a few of these videos/pictures, there is someone I do not recognize. The guy with the beard (all the way to the right in the video from Al at the picnic table) and I believe in the center of this latest picture. Isn't from last year and not one of the newcomers I know of. Sorry if there's an obvious answer, just curious.
That's Ryan Fazekas.
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1143667590096728064 (https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1143667590096728064)
Ehh...I don't think it's him. Fazekas is leaner and taller and Kiser doesn't have the facial hair in the other pics. The third guy to shoot in this video.
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1143672136931958784 (https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1143672136931958784)
The guy all the way to the right in this video.
Not that it really matters, I'm sure we'll find out eventually, just summer boredom getting the best of me.
I think it is Krikke.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=ben+krikke&fr=mcafee&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Flcigreengold.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F01%2FDSC08628.jpg#id=0&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Flcigreengold.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F01%2FDSC08628.jpg&action=click
Quote from: vu72 on July 03, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
I think it is Krikke.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=ben+krikke&fr=mcafee&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Flcigreengold.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F01%2FDSC08628.jpg#id=0&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Flcigreengold.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F01%2FDSC08628.jpg&action=click
Krikke appears left handed in his YouTube videos but appears to shoot right handed in that game of knock-out.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 03, 2019, 10:20:20 AM
Quote from: vu72 on July 03, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
I think it is Krikke.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=ben+krikke&fr=mcafee&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Flcigreengold.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F01%2FDSC08628.jpg#id=0&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Flcigreengold.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F01%2FDSC08628.jpg&action=click
Krikke appears left handed in his YouTube videos but appears to shoot right handed in that game of knock-out.
I also wanted it to be him to make sense, and yes I am also bored! But Krikke is assuredly taller than Freeman and this guy appears similar height (6'3" or thereabouts). I also think Krikke is far thinner bone structure than this guy. The search continues . . . .
The guy in the pic everyone is talking about is not one of the foreign players because they are not in town yet, but wil be soon. I was under the impression that this person was one of the VU managers for this year. I could be wrong, but definitely not one of our currently signed players.
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1146455922925035522
Trying to post another pics of the guy I have that no one knows, but Twitter is not working right now to copy from and the file is too large for an attachment. I don't know how else to copy the pic here. I'll try later.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1146461354628440064
I for one am highly concerned with the fact that Fazekas did not have surgery....
To me this just screams "get worse" as the season progresses. You always want to be playing your best at the end of the year and 35 games of high intensity ball on a not 100% ankle seems rough. I get it, getting the surgery would have meant sitting out the entire season and the fact that he didn't get it means he didn't want to still be in college for a 6th year. However, I could see him not finishing the year again after aggravating it several times.
Golder and others perhaps rightfully criticized management of injuries. They are going to have to be careful here and limit his minutes through the 1st half of the season even if it means more loses.
I would love to see Ryan as a 6th man, 22 min a game guy.
Seems like a great kid and I'm always rooting extra hard for Region guys at Valpo, but he has yet to have more than a few game stretch in his entire career where he is both healthy and productive. Structure the team around the guys with more than one year left and anything RF gives you is a bonus.
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1146461354628440064
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on July 03, 2019, 12:46:35 PM
I would love to see Ryan as a 6th man, 22 min a game guy.
Seems like a great kid and I'm always rooting extra hard for Region guys at Valpo, but he has yet to have more than a few game stretch in his entire career where he is both healthy and productive. Structure the team around the guys with more than one year left and anything RF gives you is a bonus.
Not sure how you don't start your best shooter. We will be deep so perhaps limiting his minutes is an option. With no contribution from the freshman, we will have, in addition to Ryan, Gordon, Robinson, and Morgan, Kizer/Mileek, all with maturity and experience at the D1 level as well as JFL and Sackey. Getting some production from the freshman will only help.
Presumably we will, as a team, shoot the 3 at a higher level (that won't be hard to do). Ex-Ryan, we shot 28.9% from the 3 last year. If that is up at 33% we make another 19 3's and win some games. As examples, we lost to Loyola by 4 and shot 30.8 from the 3. We lost to Drake by 5 and shot 25% from the 3. With Ryan, or another guy who can hit a shot or two, we probably win another 4 games, who knows.
With the 3 being backed up and hopefully opening up the lane, we can use our smaller speedy guys to drive and kick versus throwing it in to our giant slow guys and then waiting, and waiting for something to happen.
Eron Gordon does a You Tube video blog. Mostly just everyday messing around stuff, but there is about 10% of him working on his game. Seems he takes his workouts seriously and looked pretty good hitting 3 pointers. Of course it's mainly uncontested but hitting 5, 6, or 7 in a row is still pretty good. Hope it transitions to the court on game days.
Can't wait to see him in action for Valpo. Could be a big factor this year for VU.
If your really interested, take a look at his videos. They are rather long, and as I said only a small bit of them is him doing basketball
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/status/1146467866495082497
Quote from: VUBBFan on July 03, 2019, 01:03:37 PM
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1146461354628440064
There's that man again! My guess would be another walk-on or manager as well.
Quote from: govalpogo on July 03, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on July 03, 2019, 01:03:37 PM
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1146461354628440064
There's that man again! My guess would be another walk-on or manager as well.
Mystery solved. Brock Pappas. He play for Washington Tonwship High School. He's a local kid.
Brock Pappas
Washington Township High School
ValparaisoIN
6'4"
Graduated in 2018
High School Stats: https://www.maxpreps.com/m/career/gendersport/stats.aspx?careerid=d24b7183-358a-e411-bef0-a0369f3c1b4c&gendersport=boys,basketball
Article from December 2017: https://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/brock-pappas-a-strong-veteran-presence-for-washington-township/article_002c240a-3807-5074-adbb-ffef572970cc.html
Part 2 of article on Ryan
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1146593638882926592
Good article. In fact, all the recent articles, twitter comments, and pictures are enjoyable. Interesting, full of optimism, and a sense of having moved on from the past.
Quote from: wh on July 03, 2019, 11:50:16 PM
Good article. In fact, all the recent articles, twitter comments, and pictures are enjoyable. Interesting, full of optimism, and a sense of having moved on from the past.
Hope springs eternal during the offseason. This is when leadership tends to be easier, both from a player and coaching perspective. It is nice to see these articles though. Some fans need reminders of the human side of the story, and these guys deal with things (physically, mentally and emotionally) that most of us have no idea are occurring, or at least to what severity.
https://twitter.com/posttribsports/status/1148968891357511680?s=21
Can we assume that since no recent news has come forward that our roster is set for the up-coming season? If so , how many scholarships did we leave unfilled?
Quote from: valpo64 on July 11, 2019, 08:36:19 PMCan we assume that since no recent news has come forward that our roster is set for the up-coming season? If so , how many scholarships did we leave unfilled?
We have one unfilled scholarship for 2019-2020. There is still time to fill it, though time is dwindling down.
Last year we filled our last two spots on July 9th (Robinson) and July 18th (Lavender). So we may still see some action.
Vanderbilt: if it was ever under contract to play at the arc it has to be assumed that game is bought out. Now since we had leverage it definitely cost them 1.5-2x a standard buy game.
George Washington: I know we already have a date set for the GW game but there is no reason they would play this game. New coach (who didn't schedule this), young roster, coming off bad seasons, etc. Since it has to be looked at as a loss for them and since GW is a very wealthy school they have to have tried or are trying to buy this game out.
If the above cases pan out. What do they try to replace with A10, MW, WCC? Or more Horizon, Summit, MAC
Quote from: NotBryceDrew on July 12, 2019, 02:07:24 PM
Vanderbilt: if it was ever under contract to play at the arc it has to be assumed that game is bought out. Now since we had leverage it definitely cost them 1.5-2x a standard buy game.
George Washington: I know we already have a date set for the GW game but there is no reason they would play this game. New coach (who didn't schedule this), young roster, coming off bad seasons, etc. Since it has to be looked at as a loss for them and since GW is a very wealthy school they have to have tried or are trying to buy this game out.
If the above cases pan out. What do they try to replace with A10, MW, WCC? Or more Horizon, Summit, MAC
Vandy I could see, but since no game has been played, I'm not sure what the buyout rules are in that situation, but they'd be in the contract.
GW I can't see buying this game out. They might be a rich school, but they only outspent Valpo by about $500k in basketball for the most recent year available (2018 season). Oddly enough, Valpo's team posted a $134,412 loss for that season.
Quote from: NotBryceDrew on July 12, 2019, 02:07:24 PM
Vanderbilt: if it was ever under contract to play at the arc it has to be assumed that game is bought out. Now since we had leverage it definitely cost them 1.5-2x a standard buy game.
George Washington: I know we already have a date set for the GW game but there is no reason they would play this game. New coach (who didn't schedule this), young roster, coming off bad seasons, etc. Since it has to be looked at as a loss for them and since GW is a very wealthy school they have to have tried or are trying to buy this game out.
If the above cases pan out. What do they try to replace with A10, MW, WCC? Or more Horizon, Summit, MAC
Possibly, but, Mark LaBarbera is a very careful guy. He is on record as saying that an SEC team is coming to the ARC this season. I very much doubt he would have said that if there was any possibility of the game with this team (has to be Vandy) not being played. We'll see...
Summer workout.
https://twitter.com/dreadedupG/status/1150536951797288966
https://twitter.com/dreadedupG/status/1150538016961773569
1st video at the very end....Was that Micah? :-X
QuoteGeorge Washington: I know we already have a date set for the GW game but there is no reason they would play this game. New coach (who didn't schedule this), young roster, coming off bad seasons, etc. Since it has to be looked at as a loss for them and since GW is a very wealthy school they have to have tried or are trying to buy this game out.
Um, that's not how scheduling works, at all. The game date is announced for the upcoming season, which means it's basically final. Valpo wouldn't announce and promote a game that was any way in flux (and if it was, someone from GW certainly would have disputed Valpo's announcement). Your assumption that they are trying to buy the game out is pretty funny -- they would have done so months ago if that's what they were planning. "Rich school" also doesn't translate to "rich athletic department." GW definitely isn't in the position to throw tens of thousands of dollars away to not play a basketball game (on TOP of the normal buyout fee, since we're within months of the game now) -- they aren't a Power 5.
While something might leak out sooner, I wouldn't take the lack of news on Vandy as anything just yet. SEC basketball schedules are usually released in mid-to-late August and the contract might very well state Valpo can't announce prior to that date. As I've stated here before, Vandy probably has *less* motivation to avoid a trip to Valpo with Bryce gone and us coming off of a bad season than they did with Bryce at the helm. Again, MLB doesn't usually reveal scheduling info publicly ahead of time so I also find it hard to believe he'd tell people about an SEC opponent at the ARC if said opponent wasn't locked down, whether it's Vandy or someone else.
Quote from: oklahomamick on July 15, 2019, 06:24:49 PM
1st video at the very end....Was that Micah? :-X
At the very end, the one speaking says the name, Donovan, and we may infer from that, that it is Donovan Clay...
Donovan is the one who does the second dunk. I believe the one we see shooting the three at the end is Zion Morgan
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on July 15, 2019, 06:45:00 PM
QuoteGeorge Washington: I know we already have a date set for the GW game but there is no reason they would play this game. New coach (who didn't schedule this), young roster, coming off bad seasons, etc. Since it has to be looked at as a loss for them and since GW is a very wealthy school they have to have tried or are trying to buy this game out.
Um, that's not how scheduling works, at all. The game date is announced for the upcoming season, which means it's basically final. Valpo wouldn't announce and promote a game that was any way in flux (and if it was, someone from GW certainly would have disputed Valpo's announcement). Your assumption that they are trying to buy the game out is pretty funny -- they would have done so months ago if that's what they were planning. "Rich school" also doesn't translate to "rich athletic department." GW definitely isn't in the position to throw tens of thousands of dollars away to not play a basketball game (on TOP of the normal buyout fee, since we're within months of the game now) -- they aren't a Power 5.
While something might leak out sooner, I wouldn't take the lack of news on Vandy as anything just yet. SEC basketball schedules are usually released in mid-to-late August and the contract might very well state Valpo can't announce prior to that date. As I've stated here before, Vandy probably has *less* motivation to avoid a trip to Valpo with Bryce gone and us coming off of a bad season than they did with Bryce at the helm. Again, MLB doesn't usually reveal scheduling info publicly ahead of time so I also find it hard to believe he'd tell people about an SEC opponent at the ARC if said opponent wasn't locked down, whether it's Vandy or someone else.
Not sure if it will be Vandy, as they already have home and homes set up with both Richmond (away in 19-20) and Davidson (home in 19-20) over the next couple of seasons, but agree with the sentiment that the AD would look pretty foolish to announce a game with an SEC team and then not have one on the schedule.
Quote from: crusader05 on July 15, 2019, 07:09:14 PM
Donovan is the one who does the second dunk. I believe the one we see shooting the three at the end is Zion Morgan
I'm not sure, Zion appears right handed in his highlights and that guy looks south paw. I checked and Langston Stallings is also right handed. Unsure who 3rd guy is...
You can tell we're aching for the season to start when we're breaking down social media video like it's The Zapruder Film.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on July 15, 2019, 08:45:06 PM
You can tell we're aching for the season to start when we're breaking down social media video like it's The Zapruder Film.
ROFL!!!
Okay, here is the breakdown on the two clips I posted:
In the first one the guys dunking are Mileek then Donovan Clay. The 3point shooter is Warren Sails, a to be junior next year from Valpo high school.
In the second clip the first player I think is Zion,( not 100% positive ) then Sails followed by Mileek and ending with Clay. Hopefully everyone can rest easy now. ;)
Now here's one last clip which I think will be self explanatory.
https://twitter.com/dreadedupG/status/1150971408278835216
I hate to nitpick on the good work people do when putting up these video snippets so that all of us can get our VU basketball fix in these slow times, but please... PLEASE... PLEASE take the video holding your phone in the proper 16:9 aspect ratio so that we can actually see the action rather than watching half of the ceiling.
Yours truly,
FWAlum alias "The video police" :police:
Quote from: FWalum on July 16, 2019, 05:20:15 PM
I hate to nitpick on the good work people do when putting up these video snippets so that all of us can get our VU basketball fix in these slow times, but please... PLEASE... PLEASE take the video holding your phone in the proper 16:9 aspect ratio so that we can actually see the action rather than watching half of the ceiling.
Yours truly,
FWAlum alias "The video police" :police:
Agreed, but I still enjoy these videos. Shows how hard these guys are working on their games in the off-season. Does anyone know when they start practices for the upcoming overseas trip?
International, definitely yes. Overseas? Ah, no, unless you count flying over the Great Lakes. ;D
More "tape" to pour over! Perhaps a Krikke/Mr. Freese sighting? Looks like they are really emphasizing the chemistry piece this year.
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1151997735500828673
Way to put this on video, guys. Now you'll only be able to run it in a game once or twice before teams catch on.
home run ball still working after 10 years. Though, don't see it as much in the mvc. I guess these coaches have tape....
If this is being whispered after just five years....
https://mwwire.com/2019/07/25/is-contraction-the-answer-to-mountain-west-survival/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=home-hero
It may not be long before folks in the MVC start talking this way about us... We had better get our act together and quickly...
Easy man, it's been two years. Loyola sucked for twice that before breaking through.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 27, 2019, 02:04:33 AM
If this is being whispered after just five years....
https://mwwire.com/2019/07/25/is-contraction-the-answer-to-mountain-west-survival/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=home-hero
It may not be long before folks in the MVC start talking this way about us... We had better get our act together and quickly...
Wow, this is glass completely empty type reaction. We are a long ways away from anything like this being relevant IMO.
Giving back to the community. Sometimes there's more to life than Basketball.
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1156355043995656192
Quote from: VUBBFan on July 30, 2019, 09:14:13 PM
Giving back to the community. Sometimes there's more to life than Basketball.
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1156355043995656192
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Can somebody PLEASE stop by the ARC and report back that all the guys are on campus that several appear to have Michael Jordan skills? This site is soooooo boring right now! :banghead: 10 days till the first game so official practice has to have started. :dance:
:rotfl: So true :rotfl:
https://twitter.com/yk2mo/status/1156697184361992192?s=20
Quote from: vu72 on July 31, 2019, 03:50:11 PM
Can somebody PLEASE stop by the ARC and report back that all the guys are on campus that several appear to have Michael Jordan skills? This site is soooooo boring right now! :banghead: 10 days till the first game so official practice has to have started. :dance:
I have both the time and the inclination to stop by the ARC, but what are the regulations regarding dropping in at a practice? I would imagine it is a bit more secure in Hilltop than when the team would be practicing in the main gym.
Quote from: humbleopinion on August 01, 2019, 08:31:49 AM
Quote from: vu72 on July 31, 2019, 03:50:11 PM
Can somebody PLEASE stop by the ARC and report back that all the guys are on campus that several appear to have Michael Jordan skills? This site is soooooo boring right now! :banghead: 10 days till the first game so official practice has to have started. :dance:
I have both the time and the inclination to stop by the ARC, but what are the regulations regarding dropping in at a practice? I would imagine it is a bit more secure in Hilltop than when the team would be practicing in the main gym.
I would think no one would care. The only time anyone actually tried to stop me from seeing a practice was during the conference tournament and even then when they realized who I was it was fine. Particularly at this time of year, I would be very surprised if anyone would even ask you why you were there.
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1156977805625712640?s=21
https://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/valpo-offseason-notebook-crusaders-roster-healthy-and-whole/article_1fc4d718-64aa-55fd-82bc-603c5a7df33c.html
"It's more of a togetherness this year than in the past few years, I feel like," Kiser said.
-good to hear!
That's fantastic news! Maybe things will be okay after all. Either way The opener against Toledo will be fun that was a good game to get and I plan on attending!
Quote from: VALPO LI on August 01, 2019, 08:42:08 PM
https://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/valpo-offseason-notebook-crusaders-roster-healthy-and-whole/article_1fc4d718-64aa-55fd-82bc-603c5a7df33c.html
The Kiser quote along with this quote from Lottich,
"It'll be different every game (starting line-up in Canada),
I can promise you that," Lottich said. "We've got to mix in our veterans with our new guys, but the main objective is that we're all headed in the same direction." and the Kiser quote about Zion.
"(Morgan)'s a team guy all day," Kiser said. "Gonna be great energy out there, can play defense." make it sound very much that the players are putting much more emphasis on team unity and cohesiveness. Things that seemed to be lacking last season and might have re-emerged with the transfers leaving.
Good positive energy from the players is what I got out of the article. Very good to hear. Let's see how this translates onto the court in Canada.
The article didn't even mention two of our best players in Robinson and Gordon! I think this team will be WAY more athletic and quick compared to last year's team. I would think we will see some full court pressing with guys like Freeman, Morgan, Clay and Sackey on the floor. 8 more days!
Anyone know if the Canadian games will be televised or streamed? Don't think they were last time they were there. I'd would at least like to hear a radio broadcast.
There are so many different aspects and unknowns to this year's team and that leads to a lot questions of what we'll have . So I'm really starting to get excited for the season to begin to see those changes and what this team is going to be like!
It's amazing, or maybe just refreshing, that Lottich was available for comment.
Guess he was sucked up in a black hole during the months of April and May.
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/1157494154408148992
Not sure we are going to be any good this year, but based on interviews so far it just seems like everyone is happier to be here. Might be an enjoyable team to watch, win or lose.
One thing I've noticed is that some of the guys who transferred take exception to the "selfish" or "me" mentality that Coach Lottich mentioned in the past, which is interesting. Nobody wants to be labeled as selfish but is the truth somewhere in the middle?
Quote from: VU2014 on August 03, 2019, 03:18:40 PM
One thing I've noticed is that some of the guys who transferred take exception to the "selfish" or "me" mentality that Coach Lottich mentioned in the past, which is interesting. Nobody wants to be labeled as selfish but is the truth somewhere in the middle?
I'll selfishly say goodbye to Smits and Bakari!!!
Quote from: VUBBFan on August 02, 2019, 12:16:08 PMAnyone know if the Canadian games will be televised or streamed? Don't think they were last time they were there. I'd would at least like to hear a radio broadcast.
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https://tickets.vendini.com/ticket-software.html?t=tix&w=3781535e2b5bc0eda16574df18f267a0&vqitq=378280ed-8301-4840-af1e-0f423436b7c0&vqitp=93596c19-9c98-4bed-8969-399d5a9b8404&vqitts=1563550456&vqitc=vendini&vqite=itl&vqitrt=Safetynet&vqith=1177fddc5b347810a562cce1f4fa8f53
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Here is a video from last season from the UQAM (U of Quebec-Montreal) Citadins men's basketball team.
https://tv.uqam.ca/lequipe-masculine-basketball-citadins-2018-2019
Quote from: SanityLost17 on August 03, 2019, 02:28:06 PM
Not sure we are going to be any good this year, but based on interviews so far it just seems like everyone is happier to be here. Might be an enjoyable team to watch, win or lose.
Hope springs eternal in the offseason. His comments about the players are interesting, considering how much further back the 3 point line will be. Would be pretty impressive to see a marked improvement from those 2.
He even mentioned a large banner mentioning 'Team,' so this is definitely a sign of how he views a few of those that transferred. I like it, as I noticed that selfishness often in games, based on how a few of our players reacted in various scenarios.
Quote from: VUBBFan on August 03, 2019, 11:01:24 AM
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/1157494154408148992
I'm totally bought in and looking forward to receiving that season ticket order form in the mail. Very exciting!
Quote from: valpotx on August 04, 2019, 12:39:35 AM
He even mentioned a large banner mentioning 'Team,' so this is definitely a sign of how he views a few of those that transferred. I like it, as I noticed that selfishness often in games, based on how a few of our players reacted in various scenarios.
Looking from the outside, I sometimes question whether something as simple as a banner can help change a team's attitude. It's nice to get input from a former DI athlete like TX that things like this can be meaningful. I certainly hope so!
Quote from: VU2014 on August 03, 2019, 03:18:40 PMOne thing I've noticed is that some of the guys who transferred take exception to the "selfish" or "me" mentality that Coach Lottich mentioned in the past, which is interesting. Nobody wants to be labeled as selfish but is the truth somewhere in the middle?
I think the problem lies in the choice of words. Smits Bakari and Golder were not selfish people they just played selfishly and that showed on the court. I doubt Lottich thinks that these people are all about themselves on a personal level but on the court it was fairly obvious for significant stretches throughout the year. One thing's for sure Lottich sure looks happy coming in to work these days, I just hope it translates into results that make the fans happy to come to games because all this losing in conference is getting tough to stomach.
Quote from: EddieCabot on August 04, 2019, 10:27:47 AM
Quote from: valpotx on August 04, 2019, 12:39:35 AM
He even mentioned a large banner mentioning 'Team,' so this is definitely a sign of how he views a few of those that transferred. I like it, as I noticed that selfishness often in games, based on how a few of our players reacted in various scenarios.
Looking from the outside, I sometimes question whether something as simple as a banner can help change a team's attitude. It's nice to get input from a former DI athlete like TX that things like this can be meaningful. I certainly hope so!
Though I know that around 95% of your posts are sarcasm aimed at Valpo fans, and that this is likely one of them, a banner is just a start. If he consistently emphasizes this point in practice, and he has a few key supporters within the team, it can be infectious.
Quote from: valpotx on August 04, 2019, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: EddieCabot on August 04, 2019, 10:27:47 AM
Quote from: valpotx on August 04, 2019, 12:39:35 AM
He even mentioned a large banner mentioning 'Team,' so this is definitely a sign of how he views a few of those that transferred. I like it, as I noticed that selfishness often in games, based on how a few of our players reacted in various scenarios.
Looking from the outside, I sometimes question whether something as simple as a banner can help change a team's attitude. It's nice to get input from a former DI athlete like TX that things like this can be meaningful. I certainly hope so!
Though I know that around 95% of your posts are sarcasm aimed at Valpo fans, and that this is likely one of them, a banner is just a start. If he consistently emphasizes this point in practice, and he has a few key supporters within the team, it can be infectious.
I was really just curious how a coach goes about changing the culture of a team in need of a change. If a banner serves as a daily reminder (ND's "Play Like a Champion" sign, for example) of something important to the team, I'm sure that's helpful. I also think a key to fixing a problem is acknowledging that you have a problem. For that reason, I was happy to see ML calling out the team's play as "selfish" last season and emphasizing improved teamwork would be needed to right the ship. From what I've read/heard, sounds like the team is buying in.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 04, 2019, 11:26:27 AMQuote from: VU2014 on August 03, 2019, 03:18:40 PMOne thing I've noticed is that some of the guys who transferred take exception to the "selfish" or "me" mentality that Coach Lottich mentioned in the past, which is interesting. Nobody wants to be labeled as selfish but is the truth somewhere in the middle?
I think the problem lies in the choice of words. Smits Bakari and Golder were not selfish people they just played selfishly and that showed on the court. I doubt Lottich thinks that these people are all about themselves on a personal level but on the court it was fairly obvious for significant stretches throughout the year. One thing's for sure Lottich sure looks happy coming in to work these days, I just hope it translates into results that make the fans happy to come to games because all this losing in conference is getting tough to stomach.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 04, 2019, 11:26:27 AMI think the problem lies in the choice of words. Smits Bakari and Golder were not selfish people they just played selfishly and that showed on the court. I doubt Lottich thinks that these people are all about themselves on a personal level but on the court it was fairly obvious for significant stretches throughout the year. One thing's for sure Lottich sure looks happy coming in to work these days, I just hope it translates into results that make the fans happy to come to games because all this losing in conference is getting tough to stomach.
I agree. I don't think that trio of players thought themselves as selfish but their actions at times did. The most glaring were the whining to the refs for every perceived wrong call/non-call on them and the pouting that put them out of position for the next play. At times they would try to do too much by themselves, not really being selfish, but not trusting or working together with their team mates.
To play with emotion is good as long as it doesn't interfere with your performance. Too many times I saw an emotional response cause a breakdown in TEAM unison in the next play or possession. So what I think I'm saying is they were not totally selfish, but did not put the team concept first when they were playing.
A new environment or atmosphere may work out better for them and to that I wish them well. I hope they find success with their new team.
Quote from: EddieCabot on August 04, 2019, 12:46:24 PM
I was really just curious how a coach goes about changing the culture of a team in need of a change. If a banner serves as a daily reminder (ND's "Play Like a Champion" sign, for example) of something important to the team, I'm sure that's helpful. I also think a key to fixing a problem is acknowledging that you have a problem. For that reason, I was happy to see ML calling out the team's play as "selfish" last season and emphasizing improved teamwork would be needed to right the ship. From what I've read/heard, sounds like the team is buying in.
In the highly regarded management leadership book, "Good to Great," author and leadership guru Jim Collins uses a metaphor comparing a business to a bus and the leader as a bus driver. He emphasizes that it is crucial to continuously ask "First Who, Then What?"
You are a bus driver. The bus, your company, is at a standstill, and it's your job to get it going. You have to decide where you're going, how you're going to get there, and who's going with you. Most people assume that great bus drivers (read: business leaders) immediately start the journey by announcing to the people on the bus where they're going—by setting a new direction or by articulating a fresh corporate vision. In fact, leaders of companies that go from good to great start not with "where" but with "who." They start by getting the right people on the bus, the wrong people off the bus, and the right people in the right seats. And they stick with that discipline—first the people, then the direction—no matter how dire the circumstances.Without this indispensable first step, all other steps are useless. Matt has started down the right path, in fact the only path that leads to greatness.
Quote from: wh on August 04, 2019, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on August 04, 2019, 12:46:24 PM
I was really just curious how a coach goes about changing the culture of a team in need of a change. If a banner serves as a daily reminder (ND's "Play Like a Champion" sign, for example) of something important to the team, I'm sure that's helpful. I also think a key to fixing a problem is acknowledging that you have a problem. For that reason, I was happy to see ML calling out the team's play as "selfish" last season and emphasizing improved teamwork would be needed to right the ship. From what I've read/heard, sounds like the team is buying in.
In the highly regarded management leadership book, "Good to Great," author and leadership guru Jim Collins uses a metaphor comparing a business to a bus and the leader as a bus driver. He emphasizes that it is crucial to continuously ask "First Who, Then What?"
You are a bus driver. The bus, your company, is at a standstill, and it's your job to get it going. You have to decide where you're going, how you're going to get there, and who's going with you. Most people assume that great bus drivers (read: business leaders) immediately start the journey by announcing to the people on the bus where they're going—by setting a new direction or by articulating a fresh corporate vision. In fact, leaders of companies that go from good to great start not with "where" but with "who." They start by getting the right people on the bus, the wrong people off the bus, and the right people in the right seats. And they stick with that discipline—first the people, then the direction—no matter how dire the circumstances.
Without this indispensable first step, all other steps are useless. Matt has started down the right path, in fact the only path that leads to greatness.
Appropriate analogy, thanks for sharing. Having the right coaches and players in place in a team sport is paramount. Hard to execute a plan with the wrong pieces.
I'd imagine this is the growing pain a new HC experiences on the job...just hope the poor execution out the gate is fully recoverable.
Seems to me that even the Drew family would have had a heck of a time winning in this transfer centric market as a low major to mid major HC. Not really sure where things go from here. Maybe a team culture of stability with 2* recruits is the future for us. Add in 1 or 2 dissatisfied P5 transfers and it might just be a recipe to compete in this new setup.
That being said, the aforementioned dissatisfied P5 transfers of today were probably equivalent to untapped European bigs (1995 to 2005) that we had before. Only difference is how do we discern who the team player transfers are -vs-the selfish transfers? It's hard to make a good read in the transfer market knowing it's essentially only 2 months long (April and June). I think many top transfers are gobbled up by July/Aug.
The book by Jim Collins and your analogy was awesome. Thanks for sharing this!
Would love to see Matt be a successful coach. I'm skeptical given what I've seen. Time will tell.
He is Gritty....
This would really be a shame and set back to our schedule if true.
https://twitter.com/happeninghoops/status/1159174298944385024
Why would you put out that marketing when the game could get bought out? Geez this department can't get out of its own way sometimes.
Was excited about a good home schedule, Now worried at this late state we are going to be challenged to find any quality D1 schools. Hope we don't settle for non D1's just to fill up dates.
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1159200249048682497
How far we have fallen as a program. At least the AC or PA system or lighting for the ARC should be pretty much paid for from these buyouts so at least there's that... Assuming we actually do the right thing with the money and invest in the program which unfortunately is a big ask in itself...
George Washington was worse than we were.
What is George Washington doing buying out a contract? They're a mid major nobody in the grand scheme of Division-I basketball.
GW replaces a road game at Valpo for a home game against Delaware who has a similar record last year of 17-16 finishing with a worse NET of 240!
FRUSTRATING to hear as a fan!!!
Curious to know the buy out $$$
And yes this worries me about our schedule.
Only 1 known home game Toledo
@High Point
@Charlotte
3 neutral games starting with GCU.
With 7 big unknowns left!!!!
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 07, 2019, 04:46:46 PM
How far we have fallen as a program. At least the AC or PA system or lighting for the ARC should be pretty much paid for from these buyouts so at least there's that... Assuming we actually do the right thing with the money and invest in the program which unfortunately is a big ask in itself...
And don't forget about the checks from Loyola's F4 run that will be rolling in for a few more years. Program should be on solid financial footing.
Unless the buyout was around the same amount it would take to fly the team from D.C. to Valpo, it makes zero sense that GW buys out of the contracted game.
Nonetheless I'm tired of having a crap non-conference home schedule year after year. When I was a student we had Huggin's Bearcats from Cincinnati and several others. I know times are different, but other schools are able to do it.
Tired of the excuses.
The coolest thing about being the 1 seed in the NIT and winning, was having teams like Florida St. at the ARC. Great atmosphere.
Be aware, we are further away from those times than we think......
Quote from: VUBBFan on August 07, 2019, 04:30:55 PM
Was excited about a good home schedule, Now worried at this late state we are going to be challenged to find any quality D1 schools. Hope we don't settle for non D1's just to fill up dates.
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1159200249048682497
This would worry me more if we didn't have an awesome conference schedule to play and in a year with only moderate expectations.
I'd like to see us take a road game with a solid program and give away this year because of the late nature of things and pickup a 1 for 2 against someone like Marquette, Houston or Davidson. I'm thinking I'd rather have less home games this year than take on a non D1. Is that even feasible? I don't think one less home game would make ppl leave in droves from the season tickets, no?
Quote from: oklahomamick on August 07, 2019, 06:03:42 PM
Unless the buyout was around the same amount it would take to fly the team from D.C. to Valpo, it makes zero sense that GW buys out of the contracted game.
Nonetheless I'm tired of having a crap non-conference home schedule year after year. When I was a student we had Huggin's Bearcats from Cincinnati and several others. I know times are different, but other schools are able to do it.
Tired of the excuses.
The coolest thing about being the 1 seed in the NIT and winning, was having teams like Florida St. at the ARC. Great atmosphere.
Be aware, we are further away from those times than we think......
With as much trouble as we have had scheduling home games against decent competition I think it's the A.D.'s requirement to give a little in order to get a decent home game (D1). So I don't doubt the buy out for that game was not huge. I'd say it was a risk worth taking at a certain point. I'm not torn up...
Quote from: EddieCabot on August 07, 2019, 05:52:51 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 07, 2019, 04:46:46 PM
How far we have fallen as a program. At least the AC or PA system or lighting for the ARC should be pretty much paid for from these buyouts so at least there's that... Assuming we actually do the right thing with the money and invest in the program which unfortunately is a big ask in itself...
And don't forget about the checks from Loyola's F4 run that will be rolling in for a few more years. Program should be on solid financial footing.
If the conference divided up the payout is divided among the schools without the MVC offices claiming a share, that's $140k per year per team. It's certainly better than the alternative, but it's not putting the program in a great spot on its own.
As I have said in other posts, the two strongest factors (by far!) in getting students (and other fans) to attend games and generate excitement is the quality of the team and the quality of opponents. There is an academic study, completed at a similar midwestern school, that supports this. Anything and everything else is far less important. You can complain about parking, or the PA or whatever...and if those issues had been resolved, there would be very little or no positive impact.
If the home non-conference schedule is Toledo, one other low D1 and a few non D1s (which is my fear), there will be absolutely no interest or excitement for this team when the conference schedule starts (unless, of course, the team is undefeated and has pulled off one or two marquee road or neutral wins). And a poor schedule is the result of people in the athletic department / basketball program not doing that part of their job effectively.
Where did Langston Stallings go? I know he was a walk-on but I don't see him listed on the newly updated Roster list.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/roster/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/roster/)
Lol even the walk-on transferred? Or opted not to play? Wow. That's telling. Super nice kid, too. He's on a full ride anyhow. So good for him to be able to make a decision where he's not obligated for the scholarship.
Quote from: GoldenCrusader87 on August 07, 2019, 09:11:37 PM
Lol even the walk-on transferred? Or opted not to play? Wow. That's telling. Super nice kid, too. He's on a full ride anyhow. So good for him to be able to make a decision where he's not obligated for the scholarship.
You all are exhausting.
Twitter profile still says valpo mbb.
https://twitter.com/Boutabucket_13
Quote from: GoldenCrusader87 on August 07, 2019, 09:11:37 PMLol even the walk-on transferred? Or opted not to play? Wow. That's telling.
Dude. Please.
Screw it. Buy games. Buy games everywhere. Become a P5 punching bag. Do the same thing in football. I don't care if we lose the football game 250-0. Do whatever you need to do to get the ARC upgraded and renovated. If the administration won't help us then we have to do whatever we can to take matters into our own hands and get this done to build up the program later.
Quote from: VU2014 on August 07, 2019, 10:55:55 PMTwitter profile still says valpo mbb. https://twitter.com/Boutabucket_13
Verbal Commits has him as left team for personal reasons. Perhaps he wants to devote more time for his degree.
So this is what we're forced to conclude:
The players didn't respect Lottich enough to continue playing for him or buy into his coaching
Other programs Don't respect the program enough to honor their contracts and play us
The athletic department and administration don't respect the fans enough to put a meaningful plan together for facilities growth and investment because they're too busy chasing students that aren't coming and will never come while ignoring the fact that ATHLETIC SUCCESS WOULD GET THEM TO THEIR GOALS FASTER
Big donors what few we have don't respect athletics enough to recognize the critical role it does play in university growth
So now we sit with a bunch of debt for underutilized buildings built for a boom that never came a flagship athletic program totally in the toilet and now everyone has carte blanche to put whatever crap they want on the schedule just to slap one together
How could the department not have known well in advance about these buyouts? I'm insulted as a fan they weren't up front with us and had us believing until now that we had a great home slate I'm tired of the generalities I'm tired of the high minded hopeful talk I'm tired of constantly having my intelligence insulted thinking that somehow this time things will be different and meaningful action will be taken to aid the main moneymaking outlet this university has
If you don't care VU I don't care Give me a reason to care
Help us Bryce you're our only hope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIIfx_UbnHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmErRm-vApI
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 08, 2019, 12:55:06 AM
So this is what we're forced to conclude:
The players didn't respect Lottich enough to continue playing for him or buy into his coaching
Other programs Don't respect the program enough to honor their contracts and play us
The athletic department and administration don't respect the fans enough to put a meaningful plan together for facilities growth and investment because they're too busy chasing students that aren't coming and will never come while ignoring the fact that ATHLETIC SUCCESS WOULD GET THEM TO THEIR GOALS FASTER
Big donors what few we have don't respect athletics enough to recognize the critical role it does play in university growth
So now we sit with a bunch of debt for underutilized buildings built for a boom that never came a flagship athletic program totally in the toilet and now everyone has carte blanche to put whatever crap they want on the schedule just to slap one together
How could the department not have known well in advance about these buyouts? I'm insulted as a fan they weren't up front with us and had us believing until now that we had a great home slate I'm tired of the generalities I'm tired of the high minded hopeful talk I'm tired of constantly having my intelligence insulted thinking that somehow this time things will be different and meaningful action will be taken to aid the main moneymaking outlet this university has
If you don't care VU I don't care Give me a reason to care
Help us Bryce you're our only hope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIIfx_UbnHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmErRm-vApI
I really try hard to be nice to you, but please stop being so dramatic. Let the new season wash over you and make your judgements then. You write these long anger filled rants and complain more than I think you mean to. I personally don't care what non Valpo fans think of our program most days, but when they read your posts they think we all hate our program and hold out no hope at times. You often times have great positive things to say but lately you are letting negativity roll over your posts.
Every board has the passionate fans that get a little too high when things are going well, and too low when things go poorly.
The buyouts aren't ideal, but they shouldn't impact the long-term view of the Valpo program. Hosting a historically low level SEC team really only meant something because Bryce was there. GW was horrible last season and likely not going to be great this year either. Neither game gets you at large consideration.
The goals for the program to continue to improve its standing in the Valley aren't impacted by this, IMO. That doesn't mean that those who are frustrated with certain aspects of the program shouldn't voice their opinions, but I would disagree that this has a significant impact positively or negatively on the program overall.
Agree with Irishdawg. (i) Vandy and GW are scared of the losses, pure and simple. They'd rather reschedule to an easier win (preferably home dates that get them some revenue), (ii) taking some buy games on the road versus winnable D1 P5 opponents may be a good strategy this year (e.g. last year's TA&M game). We are in a difficult situation and have been for 20 years with scheduling (this is nothing new). No one wants to play us at home, mid-tier D1s don't want us coming into their place and stealing games. Despite 1314's lamentations, people respect our program nationally. We don't move up 2 conferences without that fact. Schedule winnable D1 games road or home. Have exciting players and wins and people will come. Shoot, home schedules with Western Ill, UMKC, Chicago State and any number of other Mid-Con/Summit punching bags didn't make for a fun home schedule. Now we have 9 solid home games against known opponents from our conference schedule. You will not have more than 2 D2 or less (and oh btw most schools have 2 D2s or less). The key is winnable games the rest of the pre-conf to build the RPI or whatever the ranking system de jour is. Wins mean more than schedule strength in any formula. Conference teams with lots of pre-conf wins helps schedule strength. Now every one breathe!
Interesting comments from Mark L in today's AD Insights. He confirmed that Vandy and GW are not coming but said that the significant funds received via the buyouts will be used to bring Midwest teams to the ARC. Also mentioned that plans (not disclosed) are underway for additional improvements to the ARC and said some gifts had been received already.
Quote from: vu72 on August 08, 2019, 09:35:39 AMInteresting comments from Mark L in today's AD Insights. He confirmed that Vandy and GW are not coming but said that the significant funds received via the buyouts will be used to bring Midwest teams to the ARC. Also mentioned that plans (not disclosed) are underway for additional improvements to the ARC and said some gifts had been received already.
Hopefully Midwest teams = quality D1 opponent and not Chicago State or Concordia.
And hopefully improvements to the ARC is more than changing light-bulbs to LED. I for one am sick of standard maintenance being touted as improvements.
Quote from: IrishDawg on August 08, 2019, 07:17:15 AM
Every board has the passionate fans that get a little too high when things are going well, and too low when things go poorly.
The buyouts aren't ideal, but they shouldn't impact the long-term view of the Valpo program. Hosting a historically low level SEC team really only meant something because Bryce was there. GW was horrible last season and likely not going to be great this year either. Neither game gets you at large consideration.
The goals for the program to continue to improve its standing in the Valley aren't impacted by this, IMO. That doesn't mean that those who are frustrated with certain aspects of the program shouldn't voice their opinions, but I would disagree that this has a significant impact positively or negatively on the program overall.
Those are my feelings as well. VUGrad1314 is an awesome contributor and a loyal fan. I don't mention anything to Golden_____ because he/she never established themselves as a fan before ranting about all the negative things about Valpo. I respect VUGrad1314 and know he can take this as constructive criticism. Some might think it's policing, and fine I won't argue, but I think a big piece that is missing on ALL fan forums is open conversation amongst board members. I truly appreciate the fact that we can openly discuss our opinions (crazy or otherwise) and get feedback here.
I'm excited for the season and new beginnings. IMO this coaching staff has redeemable qualities as does our University. We all have problems, but dwelling on them rather than seeing the new players and new year ahead of us before the season starts seems a bit defeatist . . .
One other item, @Valpo Basketball posted a tweet "Entire team is ready to roll for Canada. Big time effort from @valpocompliance helping to get our team ready!". Maybe this is a throw away tweet between VU departments but I wonder if they were having problems getting our Europeans eligible? Any news on that front?
Non-conference schedules in recent seasons:
2018-2019: One MAC team, three low D1s, and two non-D1 teams
2017-2018: One MWC team, two lower D1s, and two non-D1 teams. Note that the MWC game had nothing to do with scheduling efforts by the athletic department/basketball program
2016-2017: An A10 team, a MAC team, a WCC team, an MVC team, two low D1 teams and one non-D1 team
Given the messaging here, this season's non-conference schedule will be worse than the last two seasons...so that will be three straight years.
Here are some hard questions that the AD might have wanted to address to build some degree of confidence. 1. How much of the 'significant funds'? All of it? 20%?, 2. Will Valpo continue to agree to scheduling deals in which the road game is first, creating the possibility for buyouts?, 3. What is the timeframe on such plans and where is Valpo in the project plan? What is the total cost and how much funding has already been received?
Without far more concrete answers, it is reasonable to assume that this exact same conversation will take place a year from now.
One other item, @Valpo Basketball posted a tweet "Entire team is ready to roll for Canada. Big time effort from @valpocompliance helping to get our team ready!". Maybe this is a throw away tweet between VU departments but I wonder if they were having problems getting our Europeans eligible? Any news on that front?
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Students from other countries have special visas that often prevent them from traveling to another country. Given the new players from several countries (Canada would not be an issue), this was probably no easy task for the compliance office. I cannot speak specifically to what happened in this case at Valpo, but my guess is that the 'shout out' and thanks are well deserved.
Quote from: vu84v2 on August 08, 2019, 10:01:38 AM
Non-conference schedules in recent seasons:
2018-2019: One MAC team, three low D1s, and two non-D1 teams
2017-2018: One MWC team, two lower D1s, and two non-D1 teams. Note that the MWC game had nothing to do with scheduling efforts by the athletic department/basketball program
2016-2017: An A10 team, a MAC team, a WCC team, an MVC team, two low D1 teams and one non-D1 team
Given the messaging here, this season's non-conference schedule will be worse than the last two seasons...so that will be three straight years.
Here are some hard questions that the AD might have wanted to address to build some degree of confidence. 1. How much of the 'significant funds'? All of it? 20%?, 2. Will Valpo continue to agree to scheduling deals in which the road game is first, creating the possibility for buyouts?, 3. What is the timeframe on such plans and where is Valpo in the project plan? What is the total cost and how much funding has already been received?
Without far more concrete answers, it is reasonable to assume that this exact same conversation will take place a year from now.
Is this a Valpo problem or is this a Mid-Major problem? Loyola went to the Final 4 two years ago and this was their home schedule last year. Admittedly, the real test is this years schedule because I'm guessing many games were already booked pre Final 4 but just for comparison purposes. Also their NET Ranking is in brackets next to each school, only problem is they are for this year . . .
Winona State (Exhibition, who is this?)
UMKC (232)
Furman (58)
Niagara (Fort Myers Tip Off)
Grambling State (Fort Myers Tip Off)
Nevada (MW tournament, no longer)
Ball State (133)
Norfolk State (247)
Benedictine (who is this?)
The only true 1-and-1 on this schedule are possibly UMKC, Furman, Ball State (we play them) and Norfolk State. Furman is the only NET victory on that schedule from last years team.
I submit that we complain with the best of them, but THIS IS REALITY. I truly hope we get more Tournaments where quality competition signs up and they turn into home games (as as the Fort Myers Tip Off). I really like that format where games are played on campus.
I listened to the AD's comments. He specifically said, "we are going to use the money to get some more D1 games with an emphasis on the midwest". I am sure that they want stronger D1 games, but the statements he made sounded like teams like Chicago State, Western Illinois, etc. would be OK (though not preferred). My impression is that he is realistic (generally not a bad thing), but is setting a low bar (not a good thing). I see nothing that says there will be meaningful scheduling improvement in the next several years.
The comments on funding for ARC improvements were weaker than I had thought they would be. I guess that he cannot say more, but I do see a "it is what it is" tone in his comments. More hope than a real fundable plan.
I did like the comments on engaging marketing classes on improving the game day experience. It is not going to help attendance much if the opponents are weak, but it is great to engage the students and colleges who have expertise and can lead to some improvements.
It's too bad the athletic department touted both of these home games when there was still a chance they wouldn't happen. I suppose we know why Valpo doesn't release that non con schedule until so late.
I'd bet the buyout money goes into some sort athletic fund that athletics has to use at their discretion. I'm cautiously optimistic (that's just my nature) that they'll land a couple decent drawing games. I'm less optimistic about what he said about building improvements.
Quote from: M on August 08, 2019, 10:25:53 AM
I'd bet the buyout money goes into some sort athletic fund that athletics has to use at their discretion. I'm cautiously optimistic (that's just my nature) that they'll land a couple decent drawing games. I'm less optimistic about what he said about building improvements.
That is not the way budgeting and finance in universities works. Budgets are ultimately controlled at the university level. If any college or department gets additional funds (other than targeted donations), the university has the final say on whether the money goes back as additional budget to the college or department. My guess is that only a portion of the buyout money will go towards funding future opponents.
Mark LaBarbera -"use the resources that we got from those schools to go out and get some additional divisional 1 games and try to beef up our schedule" to me that reads Valpo will use the $$$ to buy some quality home games.
So he has commitment from the university that all of the buyout money will be used as additional budget for the basketball program? If true, why didn't he say that? He does not control how much money, including funds from special revenues, is allocated to the athletic department.
Quote from: vu72 on August 08, 2019, 09:35:39 AMInteresting comments from Mark L in today's AD Insights. He confirmed that Vandy and GW are not coming but said that the significant funds received via the buyouts will be used to bring Midwest teams to the ARC.
There are HL teams that I would like to see return to the ARC and I'm not too worried about any of them buying us out. ::)
From a purely dollars and cents standpoint Vandy may have done us a favor. With Bryce terminated and our senior experience scattered to the winds there was a chance that as few as 4,000 (maybe less) fans would have come to watch two young and struggling teams compete in a largely meaningless game. Even with premium priced tickets the gate receipts might have been greatly disappointing.
The GW buyout price must have been a tiny fraction of what it cost Vandy. Otherwise it makes no sense at all.
Agree on the HL games. No reason to not be playing at least two per year.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on August 08, 2019, 11:41:35 AM
Agree on the HL games. No reason to not be playing at least two per year.
Is the lawsuit still going on?
I believe that VU plays HL teams in other sports, but there may be reasons related to the lawsuit as to why men's BB can't enter into contracts to play.
Quote from: vu84v2 on August 08, 2019, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: M on August 08, 2019, 10:25:53 AM
I'd bet the buyout money goes into some sort athletic fund that athletics has to use at their discretion. I'm cautiously optimistic (that's just my nature) that they'll land a couple decent drawing games. I'm less optimistic about what he said about building improvements.
That is not the way budgeting and finance in universities works. Budgets are ultimately controlled at the university level. If any college or department gets additional funds (other than targeted donations), the university has the final say on whether the money goes back as additional budget to the college or department. My guess is that only a portion of the buyout money will go towards funding future opponents.
Quote from: vu84v2 on August 08, 2019, 10:47:56 AM
So he has commitment from the university that all of the buyout money will be used as additional budget for the basketball program? If true, why didn't he say that? He does not control how much money, including funds from special revenues, is allocated to the athletic department.
In my experience, there wouldn't be a need for additional budget. It would be my position that the buyout payment would be credited against the applicable expenditure item and not treated as a special revenue. It would serve to offset the expenses of scheduling replacement games, which is it's intended purpose. The only question for me would be how detailed the line items in the athletic department budget are in regards to the flexibility they have in using it for other purposes.
Quote from: vu72 on August 08, 2019, 09:35:39 AM
Interesting comments from Mark L in today's AD Insights. He confirmed that Vandy and GW are not coming but said that the significant funds received via the buyouts will be used to bring Midwest teams to the ARC. Also mentioned that plans (not disclosed) are underway for additional improvements to the ARC and said some gifts had been received already.
As someone who took the time to participate in the survey, it means a lot to hear that ML reviewed it and is acting on some of the suggestions. Another very encouraging development.
I didn't know where to put this but President Heckler sent out an email earlier today stating that he would be stepping down as president in the near future and it sounded like some of the board members may be stepping down soon as well. This could potentially benefit the athletics department depending on who the next president and board members are
Quote from: VUCPB alum on August 08, 2019, 07:24:57 PM
I didn't know where to put this but President Heckler sent out an email earlier today stating that he would be stepping down as president in the near future and it sounded like some of the board members may be stepping down soon as well. This could potentially benefit the athletics department depending on who the next president and board members are
Am I the only person who doesn't expect much to change under a new president? The existing board (with maybe a few changes) selecting a new president who will be assisted in the transition by President Heckler. Sounds like more of the same.
And I'm not saying that's wrong. It would be nice to see a little more commitment to athletics, but pushing all the chips in and betting on Valpo becoming the next Gonzaga would be irresponsible. 200+ mid and low-major schools have the goal of becoming the next Gonzaga, but how many of them have really executed that strategy successfully?
Quote from: EddieCabot on August 09, 2019, 08:58:40 AM
Quote from: VUCPB alum on August 08, 2019, 07:24:57 PM
I didn't know where to put this but President Heckler sent out an email earlier today stating that he would be stepping down as president in the near future and it sounded like some of the board members may be stepping down soon as well. This could potentially benefit the athletics department depending on who the next president and board members are
Am I the only person who doesn't expect much to change under a new president? The existing board (with maybe a few changes) selecting a new president who will be assisted in the transition by President Heckler. Sounds like more of the same.
And I'm not saying that's wrong. It would be nice to see a little more commitment to athletics, but pushing all the chips in and betting on Valpo becoming the next Gonzaga would be irresponsible. 200+ mid and low-major schools have the goal of becoming the next Gonzaga, but how many of them have really executed that strategy successfully?
There are a few others who have 'won the tournament' to go from mid-major to top powerhouse (Butler, Creighton, maybe Wichita State), but I agree that betting the farm to try to be the next Gonzaga has a much greater likelihood of disaster (i.e. tens of Millions wasted) than of success. The incremental approach that Valpo has taken may have far less probability of reaching the pinnacle, but it is the sane and responsible approach.
Quote from: vu84v2 on August 09, 2019, 09:16:21 AM
Quote from: EddieCabot on August 09, 2019, 08:58:40 AM
Quote from: VUCPB alum on August 08, 2019, 07:24:57 PM
I didn't know where to put this but President Heckler sent out an email earlier today stating that he would be stepping down as president in the near future and it sounded like some of the board members may be stepping down soon as well. This could potentially benefit the athletics department depending on who the next president and board members are
Am I the only person who doesn't expect much to change under a new president? The existing board (with maybe a few changes) selecting a new president who will be assisted in the transition by President Heckler. Sounds like more of the same.
And I'm not saying that's wrong. It would be nice to see a little more commitment to athletics, but pushing all the chips in and betting on Valpo becoming the next Gonzaga would be irresponsible. 200+ mid and low-major schools have the goal of becoming the next Gonzaga, but how many of them have really executed that strategy successfully?
There are a few others who have 'won the tournament' to go from mid-major to top powerhouse (Butler, Creighton, maybe Wichita State), but I agree that betting the farm to try to be the next Gonzaga has a much greater likelihood of disaster (i.e. tens of Millions wasted) than of success. The incremental approach that Valpo has taken may have far less probability of reaching the pinnacle, but it is the sane and responsible approach.
Solid points, we don't have the student population or (219 area code) population to support those type of resources being spent like Butler, Creighton, WSU or Gonzaga. People in mega city/suburbs like Chicagoland don't consistently travel 45 miles to see a basketball game. It takes whacky alumni like us to do that . . .
Though we are in an age of change when gameday attendance is down across the board and streaming is king. Under the old model revenue primarily came from tickets, TV contracts and apparel.
What does the new model look like?Can a sparkling new 2,500 seat arena with creature comforts and great halftime entertainment provide the game day excitement. Meanwhile can that excitement broadcast well on a streaming device enough to generate the necessary revenue (viewer interest) we need to land top tier recruits? Streaming is where the future is for all level of sports, vying for the audiences interest is the difficulty. TV contracts and ticket sales revenue seamed to have peaked.
What's next for mid majors such as those in the MVC?. I sure hope we don't invest in the old model . . . we don't need a big renovated ARC. We need a more compact and well designed facility with excellent in game experience (half time included).
Looks like they made it to Canada alright.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1159890980457320448
Quote from: VUBBFan on August 09, 2019, 01:17:36 PM
Looks like they made it to Canada alright.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1159890980457320448
Looks like Siggie may be standing in a hole!
don't forget Loyola!! They made the Final Four!
The newest faces for VU Basketball
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1159899639426027521
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Which transfer do you expect the most out of this season:
Eron Gordon 6'2" G (Seton Hall)
Nick Robinson 6'5" G/F (Saint Joseph's)
Zion Morgan 6'5" G (UNLV)
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on August 09, 2019, 09:26:01 PM
Which transfer do you expect the most out of this season:
Eron Gordon 6'2" G (Seton Hall)
Nick Robinson 6'5" G/F (Saint Joseph's)
Zion Morgan 6'5" G (UNLV)
All will be important but Robinson is the most versatile and should be able to contribute more important minutes because of it. I'll go with Gordon at #2 but Morgon could surprise us.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on August 09, 2019, 09:26:01 PMWhich transfer do you expect the most out of this season: Eron Gordon 6'2" G (Seton Hall) Nick Robinson 6'5" G/F (Saint Joseph's) Zion Morgan 6'5" G (UNLV)
I think I'd go with Robinson, but not unhappy with the other two. I believe the trio is a net upgrade to last year's Bakari and Golder.
Quote from: VUBBFan on August 09, 2019, 09:47:24 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on August 09, 2019, 09:26:01 PMWhich transfer do you expect the most out of this season: Eron Gordon 6'2" G (Seton Hall) Nick Robinson 6'5" G/F (Saint Joseph's) Zion Morgan 6'5" G (UNLV)
I think I'd go with Robinson, but not unhappy with the other two. I believe the trio is a net upgrade to last year's Bakari and Golder.
Interview with Nick Robinson going into his senior year of high school I believe.
https://youtu.be/dOELzmm36Bo (https://youtu.be/dOELzmm36Bo)
Very optimistic about this guy's skills. Glad to see his great attitude too. Played a lot of A10 minutes with good avg. points too, right?
Valpo Basketball to Host Special Needs Camp
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 14, 2019
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2019-20/19200/valpo-basketball-to-host-special-needs-camp/
As someone with a special needs brother, this touches my heart - almost to tears.
Gotta love PO
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1161657241814147072
Here come the Valpo Basketball Freshmen.
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1163913863605227521
We need a sister Jean to optimize our brand. No doubt about it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2019/08/21/sister-jean-dolores-schmidt-turns-100/2079105001/
Loyola, ya got it going.
The team held a camp yesterday for special needs children. The quality and character of our coaches and players shine in these pictures.
https://www.twitter.com/coachgore/status/1165391477607927809
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10206772152099886&id=1757701990
There are several other discussions that debate the mission of Valpo, but I think that we can all agree that this special needs camp is consistent with the university's, as well as our own, mission and values. Strong kudos to the players, coaches and others who organized and ran this camp.
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1166133507787251713?s=21
Can't wait to talk Valpo on this week's podcast
March to the Arch podcast on Apple, Spotify and other pod catchers
Quote from: MarchArchPod on August 30, 2019, 10:03:33 PMMarch to the Arch podcast on Apple, Spotify and other pod catchers
In 1968 my uncle took me on a march for Dr. ML King and called it my personal "March to the Arch." We went on the famous Admiral riverboat that day also.
VU behind the scenes
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/status/1168314544411881474
One of my biggest observations has been that the team has really seemed to decrease their interaction with the school population since the Rowdy/Vashil years and I linked that partially to some of the issues struggling to feel the stands so I feel I should mention that the person I know who works on campus indicated they've never seen as many basketball players on campus and in the union hanging out like they have so far this semester in years so I hope that's a sign of increased engagement.
Quote from: crusader05 on September 02, 2019, 07:53:22 AM
One of my biggest observations has been that the team has really seemed to decrease their interaction with the school population since the Rowdy/Vashil years and I linked that partially to some of the issues struggling to feel the stands so I feel I should mention that the person I know who works on campus indicated they've never seen as many basketball players on campus and in the union hanging out like they have so far this semester in years so I hope that's a sign of increased engagement.
That is encouraging...and one really really long sentence.
I agree with that statement but also would add that the team hasn't been winning like the Rowdy/Vashil teams either.
Quote from: oklahomamick on September 02, 2019, 07:31:59 PM
I agree with that statement but also would add that the team hasn't been winning like the Rowdy/Vashil teams either.
AP, Jubril, Lexus, Shane's Final year was pretty dang good until multiple injuries (mid season suspensions, etc) dismantled the season.
But point taken. I was on campus for the Rowdy years that team was always on campus and I'd see those guys at a few parties here and there as well (want to emphasize rarely and only after the season ended). It does sound like the team has been a bit more to themselves in recent years, but I can't really confirm that because I'm no longer on campus. Good to hear this new team could potentially be more engaging with the student body
Quote from: vu84v2 on September 02, 2019, 11:01:08 AMThat is encouraging...and one really really long sentence.
Yes, but except for one typo he spelled everything correctly so it's steps in the right direction.
Welcome to the stream of consciousness in my head. I'm usually jumping on here in bits and pieces when I have a second and so, occasionally, post quickly and without much proofing. :o
Apologies to our resident grammar police as I'm sure that post gave quite the headache, but I had just heard the feedback and wanted to share it.
The full schedule has been released. Lots of Saturday home MVC games this year. :thumbsup:
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2019-20/19243/valpo-basketball-schedules-finalized-as-mvc-unveils-conference-slate/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2019-20/19243/valpo-basketball-schedules-finalized-as-mvc-unveils-conference-slate/)
Really liking all of those Saturday home conference games! Much easier to come up, go to a game and see the niece and nephew. Also takes the pressure off if the weather is bad with being able to spend the night and drive home on Sunday.
They used to call it "The Valpo Paragraph." Might 05 be a grad?
I like this MVC schedule! Only one home game when students are on break and it's vs Loyola where we have drawn a good crowd in the past from Chicago.
Then our next four home games are on weekends!!!
Drake (Sat)
Indiana St. (Sat)
Evansville (Sun)
Illinois St. (Sat)
This should get fans excited!!!!
Quote from: VALPO LI on September 03, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
I like this MVC schedule! Only one home game when students are on break and it's vs Loyola where we have drawn a good crowd in the past from Chicago.
Then our next four home games are on weekends!!!
Drake (Sat)
Indiana St. (Sat)
Evansville (Sun)
Illinois St. (Sat)
This should get fans excited!!!!
The weekend home games are great, but Loyola at home when school is not in session is a definite negative. Few people are going to come down unless Valpo generates some significant buzz in the non-conference season.
Quote from: vu84v2 on September 03, 2019, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: VALPO LI on September 03, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
I like this MVC schedule! Only one home game when students are on break and it's vs Loyola where we have drawn a good crowd in the past from Chicago.
Then our next four home games are on weekends!!!
Drake (Sat)
Indiana St. (Sat)
Evansville (Sun)
Illinois St. (Sat)
This should get fans excited!!!!
The weekend home games are great, but Loyola at home when school is not in session is a definite negative. Few people are going to come down unless Valpo generates some significant buzz in the non-conference season.
Is Loyola projected to be top dog this year?
I think its Missouri St.
Quote from: vu84v2 on September 03, 2019, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: VALPO LI on September 03, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
I like this MVC schedule! Only one home game when students are on break and it's vs Loyola where we have drawn a good crowd in the past from Chicago.
Then our next four home games are on weekends!!!
Drake (Sat)
Indiana St. (Sat)
Evansville (Sun)
Illinois St. (Sat)
This should get fans excited!!!!
The weekend home games are great, but Loyola at home when school is not in session is a definite negative. Few people are going to come down unless Valpo generates some significant buzz in the non-conference season.
Valpo hosts Loyola while students are away for Christmas break, but Loyola gets to host Valpo 2/9, while school is in session. Not only does this seem unfair, but it appears dumb. One of the best features that creates interest, energy, and attendance is the development of rivalries. The most natural rivalry for Valpo in the MVC is Loyola. It benefits the conference to encourage such a rivalry. This is so obvious that I have to wonder why it was not a consideration for the conference scheduling committee. Common sense!
For Valpo, after a poorly scheduled non-conference home lineup during fall semester that will do nothing to energize students, leading off the spring semester with a home game against rival Loyola would have been a much needed boost, which would help with attendance and also be good for the conference. Why can't the schedulers be smart?
To be fair, we've done nothing in this conference for either Loyola, or the MVC, to consider us Loyola's rival.
Good arguments, Pal. Question: how hard does Valpo lobby within MVC circles for this sort of thing? Or do we just accept what the powers that be give us? I would think that if Loyola and Valpo, recognizing the benefits of packed houses at both venues in the Chicagoland market, got together on this and pushed for it, it would happen.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on September 04, 2019, 09:55:12 AM
To be fair, we've done nothing in this conference for either Loyola, or the MVC, to consider us Loyola's rival.
Bingo!!! We must earn this...
Quote from: valpopal on September 04, 2019, 09:41:56 AM
Quote from: vu84v2 on September 03, 2019, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: VALPO LI on September 03, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
I like this MVC schedule! Only one home game when students are on break and it's vs Loyola where we have drawn a good crowd in the past from Chicago.
Then our next four home games are on weekends!!!
Drake (Sat)
Indiana St. (Sat)
Evansville (Sun)
Illinois St. (Sat)
This should get fans excited!!!!
The weekend home games are great, but Loyola at home when school is not in session is a definite negative. Few people are going to come down unless Valpo generates some significant buzz in the non-conference season.
Valpo hosts Loyola while students are away for Christmas break, but Loyola gets to host Valpo 2/9, while school is in session. Not only does this seem unfair, but it appears dumb. One of the best features that creates interest, energy, and attendance is the development of rivalries. The most natural rivalry for Valpo in the MVC is Loyola. It benefits the conference to encourage such a rivalry. This is so obvious that I have to wonder why it was not a consideration for the conference scheduling committee. Common sense!
For Valpo, after a poorly scheduled non-conference home lineup during fall semester that will do nothing to energize students, leading off the spring semester with a home game against rival Loyola would have been a much needed boost, which would help with attendance and also be good for the conference. Why can't the schedulers be smart?
Historically, Valpo has played Evansville and Indiana State more often than it has played Loyola. Given this, as well as taking together the instate tie-in, I'm not sure that I completely agree with you.
Quote from: valpopal on September 04, 2019, 09:41:56 AM
Quote from: vu84v2 on September 03, 2019, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: VALPO LI on September 03, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
I like this MVC schedule! Only one home game when students are on break and it's vs Loyola where we have drawn a good crowd in the past from Chicago.
Then our next four home games are on weekends!!!
Drake (Sat)
Indiana St. (Sat)
Evansville (Sun)
Illinois St. (Sat)
This should get fans excited!!!!
The weekend home games are great, but Loyola at home when school is not in session is a definite negative. Few people are going to come down unless Valpo generates some significant buzz in the non-conference season.
Valpo hosts Loyola while students are away for Christmas break, but Loyola gets to host Valpo 2/9, while school is in session. Not only does this seem unfair, but it appears dumb. One of the best features that creates interest, energy, and attendance is the development of rivalries. The most natural rivalry for Valpo in the MVC is Loyola. It benefits the conference to encourage such a rivalry. This is so obvious that I have to wonder why it was not a consideration for the conference scheduling committee. Common sense!
For Valpo, after a poorly scheduled non-conference home lineup during fall semester that will do nothing to energize students, leading off the spring semester with a home game against rival Loyola would have been a much needed boost, which would help with attendance and also be good for the conference. Why can't the schedulers be smart?
I understand that to get all the games in, some MVC games have to take place while students are off campus, with most teams playing 2 or 3 conference games before the start of 2nd semester. The MVC would be smart to avoid rivalry games during this time. For example, Valpo could play games against Missouri State and Drake, which are likely going to be sparsely attended no matter when they're played. These are also more challenging games for travel, so the teams could get these out of the way before the players have started classes.
So what defines a rivalry?
Who exactly is our rival school?
I struggle with this question.
Close proximity to another school?
Instate team?
Amount of times played?
Largest crowd drawn to that game played?
All of the above or some of the above.
Or are we to new to the conference to have a rivalry?
Quote from: VALPO LI on September 04, 2019, 12:40:38 PMSo what defines a rivalry? Who exactly is our rival school? I struggle with this question. Close proximity to another school? Instate team? Amount of times played? Largest crowd drawn to that game played? All of the above or some of the above. Or are we to new to the conference to have a rivalry?
Question may also be, who would the other school view as their rival. We may have more of historical claim to have Indiana State or Evansville as a rival but would they view us that way. And who would Loyola view as a rival in conference? Illinois State, us, Bradley, Southern Ill?
I tend to say we make the most sense to Loyola and they make the most sense to us (both from Horizon, both last two added, closest to each other, same general market, etc.) but it may be too new to really call them our Rival.
And, do the previous attendance numbers support the "packed house" notion? If the MVC can have the top competitive and/or the highly attended teams in prime time, then we need to prove that we deserve the same consideration. I think we will take a step this season. I did find it odd they are having us play Loyola over break, when we're so close together. Hopefully the fans show up.
I highly doubt we see any packed houses this year unless we get started well in conference and rolling into February. Not enough home games until January to get the casual fan invested, and our last two years didn't exactly bring many new faces to the ARC.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on September 04, 2019, 01:24:36 PMI highly doubt we see any packed houses this year unless we get started well in conference and rolling into February. Not enough home games until January to get the casual fan invested, and our last two years didn't exactly bring many new faces to the ARC.
But..
S - A - T - U - R - D - A - Y NIGHT!
The power of a Saturday night game is big to get students and casual fans in the door. Hopefully we are playing decent when those games roll around.
Quote from: vuny98 on September 04, 2019, 03:51:30 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on September 04, 2019, 01:24:36 PMI highly doubt we see any packed houses this year unless we get started well in conference and rolling into February. Not enough home games until January to get the casual fan invested, and our last two years didn't exactly bring many new faces to the ARC.
But..
S - A - T - U - R - D - A - Y NIGHT!
The power of a Saturday night game is big to get students and casual fans in the door. Hopefully we are playing decent when those games roll around.
And hopefully those games are played at night.
Now all I see is TBD
Live from the ARC..... It's Saturday Night Basketball!!!!!
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 04, 2019, 10:40:31 AM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on September 04, 2019, 09:55:12 AM
To be fair, we've done nothing in this conference for either Loyola, or the MVC, to consider us Loyola's rival.
Bingo!!! We must earn this...
Just like the soldier, played by Matt Damon, who lost 3 brothers in WWII, in Saving Private Ryan.
Quote from: bbtds on September 05, 2019, 04:07:06 AM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 04, 2019, 10:40:31 AM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on September 04, 2019, 09:55:12 AM
To be fair, we've done nothing in this conference for either Loyola, or the MVC, to consider us Loyola's rival.
Bingo!!! We must earn this...
Just like the soldier, played by Matt Damon, who lost 3 brothers in WWII, in Saving Private Ryan.
What are you suggesting? You can be quite obscure at times (likely by design).
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Serious question.
As it relates to Loyola, how does Valpo "earn" a rivalry? IMO, rivalries can't be "earned"; instead, they only be "born."
So how are they earned? Geography? Wins? What?
Geographically, Loyola would make perfect sense if we were talking about Valpo's most natural travel partner, but we are not. Miami and Notre Dame had one of the most, if not the most, hated rivalries in all of sports in the 80's and early 90's. Distance? 1,300 miles.
As far as competitiveness or wins are concerned, Oklahoma leads Oklahoma State 88-18-7 in their football Bedlam series. Is anyone here going to suggest that these two aren't rivals, or OSU hasn't earned becoming OU's rival because this series is so lopsided?
Someone one please tell me. How are rivalries "earned"?
Loyola is the most likely candidate to be Valpo's rival in the MVC. The two are geographically close to one another, both appeal to the Chicago media market, they are both smaller private religious universities, both enjoy excellent academic reputations and have similar pools of prospective students, the coaching staffs compete for recruits throughout the Chicagoland area, there is a shared history in the Horizon League, and games between the two teams are attended by fans who travel well to the other's arena. In fact, when Loyola plays at Valpo, the crowd from Loyola reminds me somewhat of those Butler fans who would fill the ARC during Horizon League days. In addition, it is in the best interest of both teams and, as importantly, the MVC to do whatever it can to encourage and develop a rivalry between these schools. Therefore, it doesn't make sense, even seems counterproductive, to schedule a game between these two programs during the Christmas break.
I believe one factor has to be that BOTH rivals have to buy into it. The easy ones are the state schools like MSU/UofM, Montana/Montana State. Butler/Valpo? Maybe in FB, but I don't see Butler MBB considering us a rival school. Loyola/Valpo? It has potential but that needs to evolve over time.
Quote from: VULB#62 on September 05, 2019, 09:55:22 AM
I believe one factor has to be that BOTH rivals have to buy into it. The easy ones are the state schools like MSU/UofM, Montana/Montana State. Butler/Valpo? Maybe in FB, but I don't see Butler MBB considering us a rival school. Loyola/Valpo? It has potential but that needs to evolve over time.
Inevitably, one team will buy into the rivalry more than the other. Loyola seems like the most natural rival for Valpo, but my guess is right now a lot of the schools in the MVC want a rivalry with the Ramblers because of the F4 run.
Quote from: VALPO LI on September 04, 2019, 12:40:38 PM
So what defines a rivalry?
Who exactly is our rival school?
I struggle with this question.
Close proximity to another school?
Instate team?
Amount of times played?
Largest crowd drawn to that game played?
All of the above or some of the above.
Or are we to new to the conference to have a rivalry?
I wrote this before Valpo started conference play in 2018.
https://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/inside-vu-sports/who-should-be-valparaiso-s-rival-in-the-missouri-valley/collection_4ce38130-26dd-5197-a52d-fcd507b79ba5.html#1
Does anyone have information on when the season ticket order form will be available on the athletic's website? Do they wait until all season ticket renewal forms are received back?
We can quibble over the word "rivalry." However, you cannot doubt the intensity of Valpo-Butler games, which have been unmatched in the history of Valpo basketball. This is the atmosphere I'd like to see reestablished, and the best bet for resembling this type of game day with Valpo in the MVC would be Loyola.
Quote from: crusaderjoe on September 05, 2019, 08:59:22 AM
Serious question.
As it relates to Loyola, how does Valpo "earn" a rivalry? IMO, rivalries can't be "earned"; instead, they only be "born."
So how are they earned? Geography? Wins? What?
Geographically, Loyola would make perfect sense if we were talking about Valpo's most natural travel partner, but we are not. Miami and Notre Dame had one of the most, if not the most, hated rivalries in all of sports in the 80's and early 90's. Distance? 1,300 miles.
As far as competitiveness or wins are concerned, Oklahoma leads Oklahoma State 88-18-7 in their football Bedlam series. Is anyone here going to suggest that these two aren't rivals, or OSU hasn't earned becoming OU's rival because this series is so lopsided?
Someone one please tell me. How are rivalries "earned"?
You make a good point, I don't think there is just one way to develop a rivalry. Undoubtedly the first ingredient is actually playing the team on a regular basis (check). Another might be competitive nature of the games (somewhat checked since MVC play). Yet another might be proximity, but as you point out there are examples to the contrary.
When I mention 'earning" a rivalry, I refer to point #2 above which is competitive nature of the games. When we were in the HL I believe Loyola was perennially a W in our column, so the rivalry didn't develop at that time. Since joining the MVC we have done nothing but lose to Loyola and most of the league . . . .hence "earning" is being used as a way of saying WE HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING YET. We will, but nothing as of yet.
I get your concern over the choice of wording. I also have concern what bbtds' point was regarding a movie from 1998 (over 20 years ago). His reference to Saving Private Ryan lands as well as our reference to Sweet 16 guys . . . like it or not.
Quote from: valpopal on September 05, 2019, 11:38:29 AM
We can quibble over the word "rivalry." However, you cannot doubt the intensity of Valpo-Butler games, which have been unmatched in the history of Valpo basketball. This is the atmosphere I'd like to see reestablished, and the best bet for resembling this type of game day with Valpo in the MVC would be Loyola.
Good post valpopal! Hadn't seen that video, good memories.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 05, 2019, 12:42:46 PMI get your concern over the choice of wording. I also have concern what bbtds' point was regarding a movie from 1998 (over 20 years ago). His reference to Saving Private Ryan lands as well as our reference to Sweet 16 guys . . . like it or not.
I believe you have "earned" the like. Concise, using my name and admitting my superiority.
Just kidding.
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WOW wow wow was that fun to watch!! Kevin van Wijk was a beast and loved how Rowdy would hold the release on those threes!
Interesting to hear Harry went with Eron over Nick. I think Eron will be a a nice solid contributed but maybe not as impactful as Nick Robinson. Nick can be more impactful in more ways with his defense and the versatility of the way the coach staff can use him on the court with him even being able to handle the Ball.
Hopefully both are great. I'm excited to see both guys this season.
https://twitter.com/fatherharry1/status/1170093215015415808?s=21
Quote from: VU2014 on September 07, 2019, 10:52:07 AMInteresting to hear Harry went with Eron over Nick. I think Eron will be a a nice solid contributed but maybe not as impactful as Nick Robinson. Nick can be more impactful in more ways with his defense and the versatility of the way the coach staff can use him on the court with him even being able to handle the Ball.
Agree. Robinson fits everywhere, Gordon- maybe or maybe not. What does excite me about Eron is his ball handling size and strength. Listed at just 6'3" 205 he is built like a LaVonte Dority on steroids! :o If he can hit his outside shots and require close perimeter coverage he should be able to own many of his Valley defenders by taking them to the hole.
eron's newest vlog
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/status/1170400881222832130?s=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td5VvFbIBd8
https://twitter.com/nwioren/status/1171072052054364161?s=21
Quote from: VU2014 on September 09, 2019, 09:57:29 AM
https://twitter.com/nwioren/status/1171072052054364161?s=21
That looks like a significant expansion to this important area. Great to see it!
Got my renewal form in the mail today. Looks like we have till Oct. 5th to reserve last year's seats before they are opened up to the general public.
The open "practice" event for season ticket holders will be Oct. 15th.
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1171164709543915521
Quote from: crusaderjoe on September 05, 2019, 08:59:22 AM
Serious question.
As it relates to Loyola, how does Valpo "earn" a rivalry? IMO, rivalries can't be "earned"; instead, they only be "born."
So how are they earned? Geography? Wins? What?
Geographically, Loyola would make perfect sense if we were talking about Valpo's most natural travel partner, but we are not. Miami and Notre Dame had one of the most, if not the most, hated rivalries in all of sports in the 80's and early 90's. Distance? 1,300 miles.
As far as competitiveness or wins are concerned, Oklahoma leads Oklahoma State 88-18-7 in their football Bedlam series. Is anyone here going to suggest that these two aren't rivals, or OSU hasn't earned becoming OU's rival because this series is so lopsided?
Someone one please tell me. How are rivalries "earned"?
Have competitive games. No rivalry if one team overwhelmingly wins most games.
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Another E Series Video
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/status/1172277801212248064
Love these e series vlogs from eron Gordon. I really appreciate the behind the scenes look of the team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx1ayUpk0CA
Quote from: VU2014 on September 12, 2019, 08:17:36 PMLove these e series vlogs from eron Gordon. I really appreciate the behind the scenes look of the team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx1ayUpk0CA
Totally agree. We really get to see the chemistry the team has and a peek of what they want to do this year. Watching just makes me excited for the season.
https://twitter.com/donovanclay11/status/1174849413057056768?s=21
I think practice starts in five days! :dance:
Quote from: vu72 on September 20, 2019, 09:55:07 AM
I think practice starts in five days! :dance:
Last years USH Podcast on MVC Media Day was Sept 19th. Anyone know when media day is this year or when we can expect the next USH episode?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 23, 2019, 08:33:19 AM
Quote from: vu72 on September 20, 2019, 09:55:07 AM
I think practice starts in five days! :dance:
Last years USH Podcast on MVC Media Day was Sept 19th. Anyone know when media day is this year or when we can expect the next USH episode?
Media Day is tomorrow. Leaving for St. Louis in 20 minutes.
Quote from: Pgmado on September 23, 2019, 12:13:35 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 23, 2019, 08:33:19 AM
Quote from: vu72 on September 20, 2019, 09:55:07 AM
I think practice starts in five days! :dance:
Last years USH Podcast on MVC Media Day was Sept 19th. Anyone know when media day is this year or when we can expect the next USH episode?
Media Day is tomorrow. Leaving for St. Louis in 20 minutes.
Cool, thanks Paul.
Pray for Paul's laptop if he's taking the Amtrak. Can't go without USH for another extended period of time
Quote from: Pgmado on September 23, 2019, 12:13:35 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 23, 2019, 08:33:19 AM
Quote from: vu72 on September 20, 2019, 09:55:07 AM
I think practice starts in five days! :dance:
Last years USH Podcast on MVC Media Day was Sept 19th. Anyone know when media day is this year or when we can expect the next USH episode?
Media Day is tomorrow. Leaving for St. Louis in 20 minutes.
Maybe you'll pick up some luck from one of the hottest teams in baseball
AND STILL IN FIRST PLACE!
Quote from: bbtds on September 23, 2019, 03:48:21 PMMaybe you'll pick up some luck from one of the hottest teams in baseball AND STILL IN FIRST PLACE!
Thought there was a NO PROFANITY rule on this site??? :)
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Quote from: bbtds on September 23, 2019, 03:48:21 PMMaybe you'll pick up some luck from one of the hottest teams in baseball AND STILL IN FIRST PLACE!
Thought there was a NO PROFANITY rule on this site??? :)
I didn't say sCrUBS.
https://twitter.com/FatherHarry1/status/1176517562332536837?s=20
Quote from: VU2014 on September 25, 2019, 09:34:45 PM
https://twitter.com/FatherHarry1/status/1176517562332536837?s=20
Thanks for posting but man he's hard to hear with all the background noise of other interviews taking place.
I think it's evident what Harry was really concentrating on. He really liked Coach Lottich's pants.
Quote from: bbtds on September 23, 2019, 03:48:21 PMMaybe you'll pick up some luck from one of the hottest teams in baseball AND STILL IN FIRST PLACE!
Bet you wish the Brewers didn't have such a ROCKY finish on NATIONAL tv.
I can't help it. Cardinals might go down in 3 though. Also not a super hot team but neither are the Braves.
It doesn't matter... Everyone knows that the world series is going to be decided between the Dodgers and whoever wins the ALCS (Houston or New York--probably Houston)
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on October 01, 2019, 11:15:08 PM
It doesn't matter... Everyone knows that the world series is going to be decided between the Dodgers and whoever wins the ALCS (Houston or New York--probably Houston)
When is the last time the two teams with the two best records played each other in the World Series? It doesn't happen all that often. Many times the wild card team that gets hot ends up in the World Series.
In 2018 the World Series was between the Dodgers & Red Sox but it was the Brewers & Red Sox that had the best records.
In 2017 the World Series was between the Dodgers & the Astros but it was the Indians & Dodgers that had the best records.
Hope we get the Loyola-Valpo game on air in Feb
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1179428895608758273
I got the nationals representing the NL...that pitching staff is about the only thing that could possibly stop the Dodgers in the NL.
Anyways...
Go Valpo. Only a couple weeks away from game time!
Quote from: VUBBFan on October 02, 2019, 11:16:29 AM
Hope we get the Loyola-Valpo game on air in Feb
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1179428895608758273
Hate to shift the discussion away from MLB playoffs, but it's really disappointing that the MVC didn't choose any Valpo home games for national broadcasts. Consequences of being the new program to the block, but hopefull that changes in the future.
Also probably consequences of not being very good the past two years and not really having an arena ready for TV yet... I know I should stop harping but it's probably the truth... We don't have any TV home games because we haven't earned that right yet...
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on October 02, 2019, 10:42:00 PM
Also probably consequences of not being very good the past two years and not really having an arena ready for TV yet... I know I should stop harping but it's probably the truth... We don't have any TV home games because we haven't earned that right yet...
That's a fair assessment, I'd agree that we need to turn the corner on Wins/Losses before TV games are earned.
We had plenty of TV games in the Horizon League with the same arena. It's simply a matter of on-court performance.
I have no idea what constitutes a TV ready arena. Check out the NIT games from a few years ago...that looks pretty darn TV ready. What you need is fans and a lively crowd to be TV ready, and that means you need a good team with good opponents.
Anybody else ready for Valpo Basketball to begin?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3TI5pYF8xs/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
I believe we have had home games(MVC) in the past since we have joined the Conference. If that is true, how is it we "earned" those but now we have to "earn" more home games? Doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps I am wrong on the previous games??
Valpo's OOC home schedule has consistently sucked for years. The only thing that varies is how it gets spun by the athletic department and coaching staff:
• The Emperor's New Clothes - crap schedule portrayed as an excellent schedule
• Wait till next year - playing on the road against good opponents who will return the favor next year - and then don't
• Poor schedule/good excuse - scheduling is hard
• Who knew? - bad schedules are good for our NET
According to ML this evening at the Meet and Greet, the game day experience should be different this year. Among the things he mentioned are a greater diversity of music, use of the jumbotron better to support the flow of the game (implicitly limiting or eliminating ads), better concessions, and bringing back halftime entertainment.
are they serving beer at the concessions like Drake?
Quote from: humbleopinion on October 15, 2019, 07:29:25 PM
According to ML this evening at the Meet and Greet, the game day experience should be different this year. Among the things he mentioned are a greater diversity of music, use of the jumbotron better to support the flow of the game (implicitly limiting or eliminating ads), better concessions, and bringing back halftime entertainment.
I'm sure several posters were at the Meet and Greet and would love to hear their impressions of the players.
Quote from: vu72 on October 16, 2019, 08:04:41 AMI'm sure several posters were at the Meet and Greet and would love to hear their impressions of the players.
There really was no demonstration of skills at the Meet and Greet with the exception of social skills as the players shook hands with all the guests as we entered the ARC. We filed in, met the teams, had some food while some videos played, saw the new introduction videos for the teams, ML talked about the changes discussed above, the players were introduced, a couple fans challenged players in a free throw contest, and door prizes were announced. There was no scrimmage, no dunk contest, and no open practice for evaluation.
I've heard after last year both coaches are really not interested in any athletic show that risks injury that's not practice or game so that doesn't surprise me.
Quote from: vu72 on October 16, 2019, 08:04:41 AMI'm sure several posters were at the Meet and Greet and would love to hear their impressions of the players.
The event was scaled back a bit from the previous year and was truly a meet and greet of the players and coaches. I spoke at least a little to all the players and they seemed happy to be at Valpo ( of course they would put their best foot forward in this public venue, but it appeared to be genuine ).
Asked Sigurd and Emil about when they were first recruited because some people were saying they were desperate last minute pickups because of the transfers. They said someone from Valpo came and visited them last December and expressed interest in them then. So someone from Valpo must have been making a tour of Europe back then. Krikke said he was first contacted at the beginning of the year.
Could tell Nick and Zion are really good friends. Zion said the main reason he came here was because of Nick and Nick took credit that he recruited him here. They seem to bring a lot of enthusiasm. Last night and other meeting I've had with them, they keep saying they're going to win a lot of MVC games and are going for the championship. They truly appear to believe that and not just giving it lip service.
Talked to Javon about him coming back and his Mother. He seemed much more comfortable and happy being here. Says he's been working hard the past off season to improve his game. With his determination I'm sure he will be a very special player this season.
Spoke to Donovan and asked him where his nick name of Choppo came from. Said back in High School people started saying that when he shot threes and it stuck. He's listed as 6'7" but I was skeptical about that from seeing him. He confirmed he's actually somewhat over 6'8" now.
Told Eron Gordon how much we enjoy seeing his E Series Vlog and to keep it up for a behind the back look of Valpo Basketball.
Overall it was an enjoyable evening and insightful for those who wanted to interact. Again this group really seems to be a very happy cohesive group that is bought into the One Team - One Boat theme for this year. Can't wait to see how it all turns out starting this Saturday. #GoValpo.
Quote from: VUBBFan on October 16, 2019, 12:10:24 PM
Quote from: vu72 on October 16, 2019, 08:04:41 AMI'm sure several posters were at the Meet and Greet and would love to hear their impressions of the players.
The event was scaled back a bit from the previous year and was truly a meet and greet of the players and coaches. I spoke at least a little to all the players and they seemed happy to be at Valpo ( of course they would put their best foot forward in this public venue, but it appeared to be genuine ).
Asked Sigurd and Emil about when they were first recruited because some people were saying they were desperate last minute pickups because of the transfers. They said someone from Valpo came and visited them last December and expressed interest in them then. So someone from Valpo must have been making a tour of Europe back then. Krikke said he was first contacted at the beginning of the year.
Could tell Nick and Zion are really good friends. Zion said the main reason he came here was because of Nick and Nick took credit that he recruited him here. They seem to bring a lot of enthusiasm. Last night and other meeting I've had with them, they keep saying they're going to win a lot of MVC games and are going for the championship. They truly appear to believe that and not just giving it lip service.
Talked to Javon about him coming back and his Mother. He seemed much more comfortable and happy being here. Says he's been working hard the past off season to improve his game. With his determination I'm sure he will be a very special player this season.
Spoke to Donovan and asked him where his nick name of Choppo came from. Said back in High School people started saying that when he shot threes and it stuck. He's listed as 6'7" but I was skeptical about that from seeing him. He confirmed he's actually somewhat over 6'8" now.
Told Eron Gordon how much we enjoy seeing his E Series Vlog and to keep it up for a behind the back look of Valpo Basketball.
Overall it was an enjoyable evening and insightful for those who wanted to interact. Again this group really seems to be a very happy cohesive group that is bought into the One Team - One Boat theme for this year. Can't wait to see how it all turns out starting this Saturday. #GoValpo.
Thanks for sharing VUBBFan, great insight for those of us unable to attend. Donovan skill set at 6'8" reminds me of E Victor Nickerson minus the injury problems coming to VU. He could easily guard the C position with that size, no? Only saying that because we are thin guarding our opponents bigs. I think playing him at C would be wasteful long term, because he clearly has SF athleticism and maybe even G? We want players that are difficult to match up with, and Clay running SF and even G at times could be intriguing.
Did they play him out of position in high-school like most kids with size?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 16, 2019, 12:37:39 PMThanks for sharing VUBBFan, great insight for those of us unable to attend. Donovan skill set at 6'8" reminds me of E Victor Nickerson minus the injury problems coming to VU. He could easily guard the C position with that size, no? Only saying that because we are thin guarding our opponents bigs. I think playing him at C would be wasteful long term, because he clearly has SF athleticism and maybe even G? We want players that are difficult to match up with, and Clay running SF and even G at times could be intriguing.Did they play him out of position in high-school like most kids with size?
I don't know what he played in High School, but I think he grew 2+ inches from the beginning or just before his senior year. Don't know about him playing center, but I think he could work out at power forward. Handles the ball very well is quick and very athletic. Currently I think he needs to work on getting a consistent jump shot. When he get that going he's going to be very good. Still is a freshman so hard to gauge, but there certainly seems to be a lot of promise.
I project Mileek as our starting center, if he can keep out of foul trouble he's going to be good. Emil is still a little green and Ben lacks some bulk for center play, but are not lumbering giants. I expect we will see a much faster pace to our game this year.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 16, 2019, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on October 16, 2019, 12:10:24 PM
Quote from: vu72 on October 16, 2019, 08:04:41 AMI'm sure several posters were at the Meet and Greet and would love to hear their impressions of the players.
The event was scaled back a bit from the previous year and was truly a meet and greet of the players and coaches. I spoke at least a little to all the players and they seemed happy to be at Valpo ( of course they would put their best foot forward in this public venue, but it appeared to be genuine ).
Asked Sigurd and Emil about when they were first recruited because some people were saying they were desperate last minute pickups because of the transfers. They said someone from Valpo came and visited them last December and expressed interest in them then. So someone from Valpo must have been making a tour of Europe back then. Krikke said he was first contacted at the beginning of the year.
Could tell Nick and Zion are really good friends. Zion said the main reason he came here was because of Nick and Nick took credit that he recruited him here. They seem to bring a lot of enthusiasm. Last night and other meeting I've had with them, they keep saying they're going to win a lot of MVC games and are going for the championship. They truly appear to believe that and not just giving it lip service.
Talked to Javon about him coming back and his Mother. He seemed much more comfortable and happy being here. Says he's been working hard the past off season to improve his game. With his determination I'm sure he will be a very special player this season.
Spoke to Donovan and asked him where his nick name of Choppo came from. Said back in High School people started saying that when he shot threes and it stuck. He's listed as 6'7" but I was skeptical about that from seeing him. He confirmed he's actually somewhat over 6'8" now.
Told Eron Gordon how much we enjoy seeing his E Series Vlog and to keep it up for a behind the back look of Valpo Basketball.
Overall it was an enjoyable evening and insightful for those who wanted to interact. Again this group really seems to be a very happy cohesive group that is bought into the One Team - One Boat theme for this year. Can't wait to see how it all turns out starting this Saturday. #GoValpo.
Thanks for sharing VUBBFan, great insight for those of us unable to attend. Donovan skill set at 6'8" reminds me of E Victor Nickerson minus the injury problems coming to VU. He could easily guard the C position with that size, no? Only saying that because we are thin guarding our opponents bigs. I think playing him at C would be wasteful long term, because he clearly has SF athleticism and maybe even G? We want players that are difficult to match up with, and Clay running SF and even G at times could be intriguing.
Did they play him out of position in high-school like most kids with size?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 16, 2019, 12:37:39 PMDid they play him out of position in high-school like most kids with size?
I find it interesting to think of college kids as "still growing". I recall Alec Peters growing an inch or so after coming to Valpo and the most recent commit has said that he has grow some since last year as well. I watched a few of Donovan's games and he played all over the place, mostly defending the best player on the other team. He can guard the 5 because he will be much quicker than the typical center.
We can play "big" with a group out on the floor like Donovan at 6'8", Ben at 6'9", Mileek at 6'8", Ryan at 6'8" and Javon at 6'3 or 4. Of course two of our best players are Nick at 6'5" and Eron at 6'3". I'm excited to see the athleticism and various combos available this year now that the twin 7'ers are doing other things.
Quote from: vu72 on October 16, 2019, 01:16:54 PMWe can play "big" with a group out on the floor like Donovan at 6'8", Ben at 6'9", Mileek at 6'8", Ryan at 6'8" and Javon at 6'3 or 4.
I know it is fun to speculate but I doubt if we ever see this 5 on the floor together. It has no point guard and Donovan and Ryan will likely play only limited minutes at the 3 position. If you put Nick at the point then maybe we could start thinking about a "big" lineup but even then it might only be used in special situations.
Quote from: justducky on October 16, 2019, 03:08:29 PM
Quote from: vu72 on October 16, 2019, 01:16:54 PMWe can play "big" with a group out on the floor like Donovan at 6'8", Ben at 6'9", Mileek at 6'8", Ryan at 6'8" and Javon at 6'3 or 4.
I know it is fun to speculate but I doubt if we ever see this 5 on the floor together. It has no point guard and Donovan and Ryan will likely play only limited minutes at the 3 position. If you put Nick at the point then maybe we could start thinking about a "big" lineup but even then it might only be used in special situations.
Don't disagree however Matt is/has tried Javon at the point. Then you could have Mileek at the 5, Ben at the 4, Ryan at the 3 and Donovan at the 2(?) He did shoot over 35% from the 3 last year. I'm guessing the actual starting 5 will be Mileek at the 5, Ryan at the 4, Nick at the 3, Javon at the 2 and Daniel at the point. Next 5: Siggie at the point, Eron at the 2, Ben at the 5, Donovan at the 3 and John at the 4. But what the heck do I know!!! :rotfl:
Just glanced through Twitter to see a lot of the interview answers from players/coaches via Paul and Osipoff(spelling?) leading up to the scrimmage.
I swear.... It is like every player/coach finds a way to subtly but not very discretely say, "last year we had a bunch of pricks on our team, thankfully they all left, and we are ready to roll."
I mean they don't exactly SAY that....but they definitely SAY that....and it's like everyone is on repeat. You know what I mean?
Quote from: SanityLost17 on October 16, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
Just glanced through Twitter to see a lot of the interview answers from players/coaches via Paul and Osipoff(spelling?) leading up to the scrimmage.
I swear.... It is like every player/coach finds a way to subtly but not very discretely say, "last year we had a bunch of pricks on our team, thankfully they all left, and we are ready to roll."
I mean they don't exactly SAY that....but they definitely SAY that....and it's like everyone is on repeat. You know what I mean?
And the more they hint like that the more pressure is on to prove they weren't a big part of the problem too.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 16, 2019, 05:24:46 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on October 16, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
Just glanced through Twitter to see a lot of the interview answers from players/coaches via Paul and Osipoff(spelling?) leading up to the scrimmage.
I swear.... It is like every player/coach finds a way to subtly but not very discretely say, "last year we had a bunch of pricks on our team, thankfully they all left, and we are ready to roll."
I mean they don't exactly SAY that....but they definitely SAY that....and it's like everyone is on repeat. You know what I mean?
And the more they hint like that the more pressure is on to prove they weren't a big part of the problem too.
The fact that returning players and coaches share the same opinion and are willing to discuss it publicly tells me all I need to know about last year's problem children. Good riddance for the 50th time.
Freeman-Liberty ready to lead Valpo
https://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/freeman-liberty-ready-to-lead-valpo/article_59b00c92-3f07-5a31-b5df-fccc1362c5d2.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Quote from: vu72 on October 16, 2019, 03:49:21 PMDon't disagree however Matt is/has tried Javon at the point. Then you could have Mileek at the 5, Ben at the 4, Ryan at the 3 and Donovan at the 2(?) He did shoot over 35% from the 3 last year. I'm guessing the actual starting 5 will be Mileek at the 5, Ryan at the 4, Nick at the 3, Javon at the 2 and Daniel at the point. Next 5: Siggie at the point, Eron at the 2, Ben at the 5, Donovan at the 3 and John at the 4.
Zion will get significant playing time too. I'm just not certain where? Maybe equally divided at the 1, 2, and 3?
Quote from: wh on October 16, 2019, 06:02:07 PMThe fact that returning players and coaches share the same opinion and are willing to discuss it publicly tells me all I need to know about last year's problem children. Good riddance for the 50th time.
"Good riddance" might be a bit extreme for some of them. ;) But we get your point! :thumbsup:
Quote from: wh on October 16, 2019, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 16, 2019, 05:24:46 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on October 16, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
Just glanced through Twitter to see a lot of the interview answers from players/coaches via Paul and Osipoff(spelling?) leading up to the scrimmage.
I swear.... It is like every player/coach finds a way to subtly but not very discretely say, "last year we had a bunch of pricks on our team, thankfully they all left, and we are ready to roll."
I mean they don't exactly SAY that....but they definitely SAY that....and it's like everyone is on repeat. You know what I mean?
And the more they hint like that the more pressure is on to prove they weren't a big part of the problem too.
The fact that returning players and coaches share the same opinion and are willing to discuss it publicly tells me all I need to know about last year's problem children. Good riddance for the 50th time.
Lottich seems very happy to be rid of the warts he inherited and to have a roster of guys he recruited. Now that he has "team first" guys that he loves, let's see if that translates to a few more wins.
Quote from: wh on October 16, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
Freeman-Liberty ready to lead Valpo
https://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/freeman-liberty-ready-to-lead-valpo/article_59b00c92-3f07-5a31-b5df-fccc1362c5d2.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
"I definitely don't want to sit out. I think that was the main reason, just the sitting out part. But then again, there's nothing wrong with Valparaiso. My mom is five minutes away, so it's just like I'm still home."
Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but the important thing is he came back.
In terms of the transfers, Smits has said that he's glad he won't need to be the main focus of the offense anymore, so it might be one of those things where it's best for everyone to move on from what was obviously a challenging season. It's also a lot easier to be nice to each other when nothing's going wrong. If this Valpo team struggles at a certain point in the year, I think that's when we'll really see if the team bands together or falls apart.
That couldn't be a more tepid endorsement... At least he's back but I'll reserve judgment on whether this team has truly bought in to Matt... Of course it doesn't really matter because he's probably getting a contract extension anyway...
I'm really looking forward to a USH podcast on pre-season over/under by Paul and Todd. I'm also well aware that Paul does this as a passion project and likely doesn't earn (no sponsors that I recall) but just putting this into the ethos.
I don't know his download or subscription numbers but this VU fan thoroughly appreciates his efforts and looks forward to the next pod.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on October 17, 2019, 05:52:09 AM
That couldn't be a more tepid endorsement... At least he's back but I'll reserve judgment on whether this team has truly bought in to Matt... Of course it doesn't really matter because he's probably getting a contract extension anyway...
I agree, it didn't leave us feeling he had a strong desire to be at VU. But after a chaotic season like that, what 18/19 year old is prepared to deal with that? I think we are extraordinarily fortunate that the reset button was hit so effectively with some transfers and players like Sackey and Javon staying to be part of something bigger than themselves. I would probably have been 51% stay / 49% leave if I was part of that chaos too.
I'll let Javon do his real talking in games this year. I'm excited that we have this much to look forward to after a season from hell. I think that Canada trip was about as well timed as any I've seen from VU in years past. The confidence heading into the season is ramped up and I'm looking forward to going to the game on Saturday. I'd still predict we end up 1-5 games over .500 though, we still have to prove we can score effectively without a post presence AND from deep.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 17, 2019, 09:48:06 AMwe still have to prove we can score effectively without a post presence
Did we have one last year? We have plenty of size and will be MUCH more athletic (and fast).
Well we got the rest of the conference right where we want them! OVER CONFIDENT!! Valpo's Men's team picked 9th and Women's picked 8th! Bring em on!!!
In spite of this we do have two guys on the All-Conference 2nd team in Ryan and Javon! Congrats to them!!
I'm really interested to see whether this "team first" concept Lottich has deployed in his statements and recruiting players translates to actual wins and an improvement from last year. I certainly hope it does. If it does not, I'm going to feel like we were all sold a bunch of feel good type statements and need to change the direction we're heading.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on October 17, 2019, 05:52:09 AM
That couldn't be a more tepid endorsement... At least he's back but I'll reserve judgment on whether this team has truly bought in to Matt... Of course it doesn't really matter because he's probably getting a contract extension anyway...
As I recall, Javon was the first (or second) of the 5 players who announced they were transferring. Only after all the others announced they were leaving did he reverse course. Had they stayed, he wouldn't be a Crusader right now; thus, we're fortunate to have him back at all. Moreover, his mom and uncle probably told him what I would have told him, which is,'You need to play, not sit, to get better. The chemistry killers have left the program. You know you're going to start and play huge minutes. And, next year's team has a chance to be much better and more fun to be part of. Give it another year and see what happens. If it works out, great. If it doesn't, you're certain to have more options than you have right now.'
Does returning under these circumstances call for anything more than tepid positivity?
Quote from: wh on October 17, 2019, 12:05:52 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on October 17, 2019, 05:52:09 AM
That couldn't be a more tepid endorsement... At least he's back but I'll reserve judgment on whether this team has truly bought in to Matt... Of course it doesn't really matter because he's probably getting a contract extension anyway...
As I recall, Javon was the first (or second) of the 5 players who announced they were transferring. Only after all the others announced they were leaving did he reverse course. Had they stayed, he wouldn't be a Crusader right now; thus, we're fortunate to have him back at all. Moreover, his mom and uncle probably told him what I would have told him, which is,'You need to play, not sit, to get better. The chemistry killers have left the program. You know you're going to start and play huge minutes. And, next year's team has a chance to be much better and more fun to be part of. Give it another year and see what happens. If it works out, great. If it doesn't, you're certain to have more options than you have right now.'
Does returning under these circumstances call for anything more than tepid positivity?
I thought Paul or the radio guy made a veiled reference that he really didn't want to transfer. Makes you wonder if people close to him were suggesting/recommending that he take a look around? In any case, I still consider him a flight risk ... I hope he's not on pace to graduate in 3 years (assuming the grad transfer rule stays in place).
I think the vibe was that Javon didn't dislike the coach or the program but was getting wooed by big ten programs and felt like he needed to check them out.
I also think it's hard to read too much into his comments as depending on inflection that could mean a lot.
"There's nothing wrong with Valpo" could sound like weak praise or it could be a strong statement that he never felt that Valpo was a bad place or program and so he didn't want to leave the program because of something that existed here. He did state he was unhappy but also seemed to recognize that some of that was situation and him learning how to adjust to all the changes. I will say that I've see him interact with Coach Lottich and they have always seemed to have a strong relationship.
https://twitter.com/posttribsports/status/1185216580340387842?s=21
In a testament to how much last off-season broke me I had a minor heart palpitation when I saw an article about Valpo with the word transfer in it before I could fully comprehend what the words actually said.
This thread is for the 2019-2020 season, and I'm simply glad that the season is finally here. Really excited, and can't wait to see tomorrow's game.
I think that it's kind of a testament to the enthusiasm of the fan base in that we're already 20 pages into this thread before the first game is even played.
Quote from: humbleopinion on October 15, 2019, 07:29:25 PM
According to ML this evening at the Meet and Greet, the game day experience should be different this year. Among the things he mentioned are a greater diversity of music, use of the jumbotron better to support the flow of the game (implicitly limiting or eliminating ads), better concessions, and bringing back halftime entertainment.
Adjusting the use of the Jumbotron to avoid killing fan enthusiasm with commercials. :thumbsup:
Better concessions. :thumbsup:
Bringing back halftime entertainment. :thumbsup:
Diversity of music. :-X
New Team, New Season, New Sign. Everyone jump in the boat for a journey to a magical season. #OneTeamOneBoat #GoValpo
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1185780316801253381
FWIW, Ken Pomeroy released his first KenPom rankings for the upcoming season. He has Valpo at #212 nationally (they finished at #220 last year), which ranks 8th in the MVC. He's projecting a 7-11 MVC record, tying Valpo with SIU and ISUr for last.
One of Buggs' Players committed to UE
https://twitter.com/coachebuggs/status/1186451044022267906?s=21
Your chance to buy Valpo a basketball gear:
https://twitter.com/valpobasketball/status/1186647419028680704?s=21
With only one exhibition game on the schedule, I assume the team will also be playing in a "secret scrimmage" against another DI team. Does anyone have details on this?
Quote from: EddieCabot on October 23, 2019, 08:13:11 AM
With only one exhibition game on the schedule, I assume the team will also be playing in a "secret scrimmage" against another DI team. Does anyone have details on this?
Don't tell anybody but it is with UIC. :-X
MISSOURI VALLEY
Bradley – 10/20 vs. Eastern Illinois
Drake – 10/18 vs. Omaha
Evansville – 10/20 vs. UT Martin
Illinois State – 10/27 at Iowa
Indiana State – 10/20 vs. SEMO in Indianapolis; 10/27 vs. Murray State in Evansville
Loyola Chicago – 10/22 vs. Saint Louis
Missouri State – 10/19 at SMU
Northern Iowa – 10/20 vs. North Dakota State in Minneapolis; 10/26 vs. South Dakota State
Southern Illinois – 10/26 vs. Miami (Ohio)
Valparaiso – 10/27 at UIC
Quote from: vu72 on October 23, 2019, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: EddieCabot on October 23, 2019, 08:13:11 AM
With only one exhibition game on the schedule, I assume the team will also be playing in a "secret scrimmage" against another DI team. Does anyone have details on this?
Don't tell anybody but it is with UIC. :-X
Yes, I do believe they will lock up Credit Union One Arena (renamed from the UIC Pavilion) and only those associated with the teams can attend. No score will be announced but the coaches will know and let those in the media and close to the team know the score. I wouldn't be surprised if UIC plays a better game without all the Valpo fans there.
Never seen a Valparaiso game but plan to see two in a couple days when they play slu and siue. Came on here to see about Don Clay. I have watched him the past two years and hope I am right. I think you guys got a steal. He was voted 1st team all STL by the post dispatch. Beat out some major players. Guys In area are going to Ohio star, slu, kstate, Mizzou, Kentucky, North Carolina, creighton.
Can't say he played out of position since he guarded the opponents best player no matter the size. Held Liddell (top 45 and Ohio state recruit) to 9 and fouled him out. Held Collinsville pg to 10 below his average and completely took him out of the game.
Good player his junior year and really good to player his senior year. Rarely saw him take a bad shot. Doubt he can play pg, but he should play 2-4. 4 may be challenge at this level, but he can stretch the court with his 3 and also drive it. On second thought look at above regarding Liddell. Very good handle for his size and good ft shooter.
He likes to defend. I know I am biased, but he improved so much between seasons despite growing 4-5 inches. Good luck this season and hoping Don proves me right.
Quote from: Donfan on October 29, 2019, 05:21:16 PMNever seen a Valparaiso game but plan to see two in a couple days when they play slu and siue. Came on here to see about Don Clay. I have watched him the past two years and hope I am right. I think you guys got a steal. He was voted 1st team all STL by the post dispatch. Beat out some major players. Guys In area are going to Ohio star, slu, kstate, Mizzou, Kentucky, North Carolina, creighton. Can't say he played out of position since he guarded the opponents best player no matter the size. Held Liddell (top 45 and Ohio state recruit) to 9 and fouled him out. Held Collinsville pg to 10 below his average and completely took him out of the game. Good player his junior year and really good to player his senior year. Rarely saw him take a bad shot. Doubt he can play pg, but he should play 2-4. 4 may be challenge at this level, but he can stretch the court with his 3 and also drive it. On second thought look at above regarding Liddell. Very good handle for his size and good ft shooter. He likes to defend. I know I am biased, but he improved so much between seasons despite growing 4-5 inches. Good luck this season and hoping Don proves me right.
Hope you keep following the team. You can stream them on ESPN and some on cable TV.
Donovan, or I think you guys nick named him Choppo, seems to be the real thing. Have seen and spoken with him a few times and seems to be a really good kid with a great attitude. Has a smile on his face and genuinely seems happy to be here playing ball. What I've seen of him. he's quick, handles the ball well and shoots pretty decently. Says he is just over 6'8" now. We expect a lot out of him and from all appearances don't think we will be disappointed.
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1189330389971734529?s=20
A read from May 2019 about Donovan Clay - Stepped up to the challenge... https://advantagenews.com/sports/alton-bboys-basketball-player-of-the-year/
Advantagenews.com Alton, IL
Quote"I don't think it would affect anything," Kiser said. "We're all friends. If somebody is getting more publicity and stuff, it's not that big of a deal.
Did he forget about human nature?
I think this is a bad idea. The NCAA's arguments for not doing this in the past apparently meant nothing. I think the NCAA is caving to California rather than standing on principle.
But hey, like LeBron James, who is soooo concerned about his principles which makes him think that people are oppressed in this country and that he feels the need to express those feelings at every opportunity; but, where real oppression exists in communist China, when it comes to MONEY, he finds a way to ignore his deeply-held principles.
It's ALWAYS about money.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on October 01, 2019, 11:15:08 PM
It doesn't matter... Everyone knows that the world series is going to be decided between the Dodgers and whoever wins the ALCS (Houston or New York--probably Houston)
So glad Houston/New York/Los Angeles so easily won. ;)
Yeah Didn't expect Hinch to blow that game so spectacularly. Nor did I expect the home teams to go winless in the series. Just a weird series all around. Also proves once and for all that Bryce Harper is a losing player who does not make his team better.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 01, 2019, 11:08:07 AM
Yeah Didn't expect Hinch to blow that game so spectacularly. Nor did I expect the home teams to go winless in the series. Just a weird series all around. Also proves once and for all that Bryce Harper is a losing player who does not make his team better.
Back to the thread boys...
What to look for this year from Coach Matt
https://twitter.com/ValleyHoops/status/1190420002651852804
https://twitter.com/ValleyHoops/status/1190343498970664960
Two words sum up my thoughts heading into the season: convince me. I've heard all of the optimism before and have been sorely disappointed; so, convince me. I'll still watch. I'll still follow. I'll still cheer support the team and go to games, but I need to be convinced by the play on the floor. We need to win--and not just a cutesy 8-0 start pounding on cupcakes and not just a smoke and mirrors 5-1 mirage we need to put a whole season together for me to be sure we're in the right hands. This isn't me being anti-Lottich (I don't care who coaches the team as long as they win and keep the program clean) this is me being realistic and (a little) restless. I've never known anything but a successful Valpo program. I wasn't alive or old enough to follow sports for Valpo being terrible pre-Homer, so it is much harder for me to accept significant downturns in the program than it may be for some older fans who remember what that was like. My standard is different because I don't know any better.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 02, 2019, 01:03:32 PMWe need to win--and not just a cutesy 8-0 start pounding on cupcakes and not just a smoke and mirrors 5-1 mirage we need to put a whole season together for me to be sure we're in the right hands.
Agree, but the "smoke and mirrors 5-1 mirage" was just as real as the 2-10 shamble that stumbled down the stretch with very little help from the injury corp of Golder and Fazekas. Injury free our mirage team might well have finished 11-7 and had fewer freshmen on the 19-20 roster.
I could be mistaken but I'm surprised I haven't seen this on the form anywhere. Loyola started its season with a disappointing 65-60 exhibition loss to DII U of Indy at Gentile Arena last Tuesday. The article even mentioned that Valpo lost to them last year in an attempt to shrug off the disappointment. I know Loyola is predicted to be down a little bit this year, but most still have them in the top tier of MVC teams. I personally think losing all the experience at guard is going to affect them more than many of the pundits seem to believe.
Quote from: FWalum on November 03, 2019, 09:16:46 AM
I could be mistaken but I'm surprised I haven't seen this on the form anywhere. Loyola started its season with a disappointing 65-60 exhibition loss to DII U of Indy at Gentile Arena last Tuesday. The article even mentioned that Valpo lost to them last year in an attempt to shrug off the disappointment. I know Loyola is predicted to be down a little bit this year, but most still have them in the top tier of MVC teams. I personally think losing all the experience at guard is going to affect them more than many of the pundits seem to believe.
Indianapolis is a solid D2 team, and this year's version should be better than the one that beat Valpo (lot of the same pieces, but a year older) given that they were able to challenge Xavier in a 64-52 loss before I think tired legs played a role in their 79-47 loss to Butler. Having said that, I do agree that Loyola's lack of experience at the guard spot running the offense is going to impact them negatively, especially early on in the year.
Quote from: FWalum on November 03, 2019, 09:16:46 AM
I could be mistaken but I'm surprised I haven't seen this on the form anywhere. Loyola started its season with a disappointing 65-60 exhibition loss to DII U of Indy at Gentile Arena last Tuesday. The article even mentioned that Valpo lost to them last year in an attempt to shrug off the disappointment. I know Loyola is predicted to be down a little bit this year, but most still have them in the top tier of MVC teams. I personally think losing all the experience at guard is going to affect them more than many of the pundits seem to believe.
I did post it but not sure where. The article I saw said that Loyola lost two guards who were HIGH MAJOR D1 talent and will be very hard to replace.
Ready to see how the season pans out now. #GoValpo!
https://twitter.com/FatherHarry1/status/1191371993834233865
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1191523613419151361
After last night's game, it seems that most posters feel pretty positive about the year ahead. I certainly share that sentiment. From the style of play to the attitude of the players, I think that this will be a fun season. i was pleasantly surprised with Emil's performance (he surpassed my expectations that I had formed watching the Cedarville game), Fazekas was more aggressive around the basket than he has in the past, and the rest of the team allowed me to leave the ARC optimistic.
I have felt this same way before, and as the good vibes from last night fade, I start to worry. I hope that we will be able to keep players on the floor. I don't think we have a Tony Falu on the team, but I hope that there is someone watching grades and that the team members keep off-court behavior in check. There will be injuries, but I hope that the team remembers responsibilities outside of the ARC are required for success in it -- and we have learned that transfers and upperclassmen have as much of an issue with this as freshmen.
Who is in charge of monitoring grades and intervening if necessary?
I am pretty optimistic, but it's one game. We're essentially a brand new team. How will our conference mates handle us when we have 12 games of tape for them to look at?
Very interesting stats in the Bradley loss to Saint Joseph's..
Bradley shot 45% from 3, 80% from the line, and had 5 guys in double figures, had more assists than turnovers, out rebounded their opponents by 7... and they still lost.
Just a reminder a team can play well and still lose, and I have a feeling that will happen to us many times this year. We appear to be a "scrappy" team and teams like that win some they shouldn't and lose some they should. I see lots of potential though.
Bad loss at home for preseason darling Missouri State to Little Rock but a solid win for UNI over Old Dominion. Definitely a mixed bag opening night for the MVC but not bad. Not great either but not bad.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on November 06, 2019, 08:19:58 AM
I am pretty optimistic, but it's one game. We're essentially a brand new team. How will our conference mates handle us when we have 12 games of tape for them to look at?
They might be able to stop the home run ball then. Oh, wait...
Shout out to George Washington for not only saving our SOS from having to play them but PAYING us for that privilege.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401170099
A lot of our guys have some great parents and role models.
Welcome to the Valpo Family Mrs. Clay!
https://twitter.com/hdreams88/status/1194078349058023424?s=21
Seems Donovan has quite the following from his home town. Is a testament to how much they care for him and he for them. Some bonds are really tight.
https://twitter.com/coachdanamorgan/status/1191885430238646273
just for kicks... here's the early-season RealTimeRPI projector for the Crusaders...
date team record RPI projected score
11-17 North Dakota 0-1 (0-0) 146 78-66 W - Scouting
11-22 at Grand Canyon 0-1 (0-0) 214 67-82 L - Scouting [Thinks this is a road game]
12-03 at East. Michigan 0-0 (0-0) 353 67-75 L - Scouting
12-08 Cent. Michigan 1-0 (0-0) 216 83-79 W - Scouting
12-16 at Charlotte 1-1 (0-0) 266 72-74 L - Scouting
12-18 at High Point 0-2 (0-0) 226 69-75 L - Scouting
12-21 Arkansas 2-0 (0-0) 36 74-82 L - Scouting
12-30 Loyola Chicago 1-2 (0-0) 267 66-68 L - Scouting
01-04 at Evansville 2-0 (0-0) 23 71-77 L - Scouting
01-07 at Southern Ill. 1-2 (0-0) 203 65-78 L - Scouting
01-11 Drake 1-1 (0-0) 286 75-73 W - Scouting
01-15 at Northern Iowa 2-0 (0-0) 33 65-74 L - Scouting
01-18 Indiana St. 0-1 (0-0) 346 75-67 W - Scouting
01-23 at Missouri St. 2-1 (0-0) 285 65-74 L - Scouting
01-26 Evansville 2-0 (0-0) 23 79-69 W - Scouting
01-29 at Bradley 1-1 (0-0) 299 65-76 L - Scouting
02-01 Illinois St. 2-0 (0-0) 1 77-67 W - Scouting
02-05 Northern Iowa 2-0 (0-0) 33 73-65 W - Scouting
02-09 at Loyola Chicago 1-2 (0-0) 267 57-76 L - Scouting
02-12 Southern Ill. 1-2 (0-0) 203 73-69 W - Scouting
02-15 at Illinois St. 2-0 (0-0) 1 68-75 L - Scouting
02-19 at Drake 1-1 (0-0) 286 67-82 L - Scouting
02-22 Bradley 1-1 (0-0) 299 73-68 W - Scouting
02-25 Missouri St. 2-1 (0-0) 285 73-66 W - Scouting
02-29 at Indiana St. 0-1 (0-0) 346 67-75 L - Scouting
Current Record: 2-1 (0-0)
GAMER Projected Record: 11-17 (Missing 3 games in the Virgin Islands Tournament)
I have strongly criticized Valpo agreeing to a home and home with SIU-E, but I admit that I have not thought about Donovan. If they agreed to the home and home so that he could play a game close to home, that seems like a good strategy.
Thanks again GW!
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1194433439744897024
Quote from: vu84v2 on November 13, 2019, 01:00:12 PM
I have strongly criticized Valpo agreeing to a home and home with SIU-E, but I admit that I have not thought about Donovan. If they agreed to the home and home so that he could play a game close to home, that seems like a good strategy.
Truth is that the Chaifetz Arena at SLU is 24 miles from downtown Alton, IL and the Vadalabene Center at SIUE is 15 miles from downtown Alton, IL. Either one would have been good enough to satisfy what is counted as a game in a player's home area. Most players don't get two games in their home area unless they live in the home university's home area. On top of that any conference tournament games, Arch Madness games, are also played in Donovan's home area.
Quote from: bbtds on November 14, 2019, 02:59:46 AM
Quote from: vu84v2 on November 13, 2019, 01:00:12 PM
I have strongly criticized Valpo agreeing to a home and home with SIU-E, but I admit that I have not thought about Donovan. If they agreed to the home and home so that he could play a game close to home, that seems like a good strategy.
Truth is that the Chaifetz Arena at SLU is 24 miles from downtown Alton, IL and the Vadalabene Center at SIUE is 15 miles from downtown Alton, IL. Either one would have been good enough to satisfy what is counted as a game in a player's home area. Most players don't get two games in their home area unless they live in the home university's home area. On top of that any conference tournament games, Arch Madness games, are also played in Donovan's home area.
All true, but if taking that additional away game at SIU-E sends a strong personal message to a potential recruit, then it seems like a reasonable tradeoff.
It also probably has more to do with when they have gaps in the their schedule and what's the easiest way to fill it.
Quote from: crusader05 on November 14, 2019, 11:23:13 AMIt also probably has more to do with when they have gaps in the their schedule and what's the easiest way to fill it.
Might even be a better game for our schedule and metrics than GW (I'm not kidding).
https://twitter.com/valpolife/status/1195125508603822080?s=21
Now I see why Vanderbilt had no interest in coming to the ARC. First road game. First loss. And against a mid no less. I wish the A10 the best of luck in getting P5 home games going forward after all of these wins. Things are shaping up very nicely for them.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401169826
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 14, 2019, 11:38:44 PM
Now I see why Vanderbilt had no interest in coming to the ARC. First road game. First loss. And against a mid no less. I wish the A10 the best of luck in getting P5 home games going forward after all of these wins. Things are shaping up very nicely for them.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401169826
Uh, remember that the A-10 doesn't consider itself a mid-major conference (mind over matter, you know). Not sure what the expectations for Richmond were, but when you consider the riches of the SEC and Vanderbilt, one team stand out more as an under-performer than the other. Vanderbilt should probably consider the close game a moral victory. ;)
So it has been a couple of days since signing day and still no report on basketball signees. I presume the staff is buried with writing reports on all the signees. I have seen one on Women's soccer and announcements via facebook on a couple of others.
Quote from: talksalot on November 13, 2019, 11:27:49 AM
Current Record: 2-1 (0-0)
GAMER Projected Record: 11-17 (Missing 3 games in the Virgin Islands Tournament)
I like our chances of improving the GAMER projected record!
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Quote from: vu72 on November 15, 2019, 08:57:24 AM
So it has been a couple of days since signing day and still no report on basketball signees. I presume the staff is buried with writing reports on all the signees. I have seen one on Women's soccer and announcements via facebook on a couple of others.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.@CoachLottich (https://twitter.com/CoachLottich?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) has announced a trio of additions to the @ValpoBasketball (https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) program for the 2020-21 season.
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Three quality 4-year recruits who are excited for all the right reasons. What a difference a year makes!
Quote from: Valpower on November 15, 2019, 01:54:25 AMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on November 14, 2019, 11:38:44 PMNow I see why Vanderbilt had no interest in coming to the ARC. First road game. First loss. And against a mid no less. I wish the A10 the best of luck in getting P5 home games going forward after all of these wins. Things are shaping up very nicely for them. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401169826
Uh, remember that the A-10 doesn't consider itself a mid-major conference (mind over matter, you know). Not sure what the expectations for Richmond were, but when you consider the riches of the SEC and Vanderbilt, one team stand out more as an under-performer than the other. Vanderbilt should probably consider the close game a moral victory. ;)
The A-10 gets it done again over the SEC as Rhode Island takes down Alabama. This looks to be a big year for the conference (and Davidson isn't even playing up to their usual capability this year That's scary. Really wish Missouri State had been able to get that win over X. Would have been huge for the MVC.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401169829
Quote from: wh on November 15, 2019, 09:02:43 PM
Three quality 4-year recruits who are excited for all the right reasons. What a difference a year makes!
I won't get ahead too far but hat eating could become a spectator sport on this board at some point in the future.
Quote from: bbtds on November 16, 2019, 09:32:16 AM
Quote from: wh on November 15, 2019, 09:02:43 PM
Three quality 4-year recruits who are excited for all the right reasons. What a difference a year makes!
I won't get ahead too far but hat eating could become a spectator sport on this board at some point in the future.
I've had to gnaw on enough of them that I'm developing a deer jerky model that isn't half bad! Not sure if I can make a brown and gold style without any harmful additives! ;)
Good read on the incoming signees
https://t.co/9VmE5IupFa?amp=1
Quote from: bbtds on November 16, 2019, 09:32:16 AMQuote from: wh on November 15, 2019, 09:02:43 PMThree quality 4-year recruits who are excited for all the right reasons. What a difference a year makes!
I won't get ahead too far but hat eating could become a spectator sport on this board at some point in the future.
Wasn't my original post if he gets anywhere near Coach K's level I'd eat my hat? I'd say we have awhile to wait on that. Five National Championships isn't easy for anyone.
As Saturday comes to an end all of Valpo's opponents held their own today except for SIU who lost to San Francisco 76-60.
Winners include:
UNI 77-72 N. Colorado
Loyola 85-68 St. Josheph's
Bradley 65-56 UIC
Central Michigan 84-77 Sam Houston St.
SIU-e 57-55 Incarnate World
Toledo 70-56 Robert Morris
Eastern Michigan 56-51 N. Texas
Arkansas 64-46 Montana
And GCU got their first win over Ark-Pine Bluff 67-54.
One must take into consideration that San Francisco is 4-0 and the only opposing team that has a winning record.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on November 06, 2019, 08:58:41 AMVery interesting stats in the Bradley loss to Saint Joseph's.. Bradley shot 45% from 3, 80% from the line, and had 5 guys in double figures, had more assists than turnovers, out rebounded their opponents by 7... and they still lost. Just a reminder a team can play well and still lose, and I have a feeling that will happen to us many times this year. We appear to be a "scrappy" team and teams like that win some they shouldn't and lose some they should. I see lots of potential though.
In this particular game, St. Joseph's outscored Bradley at the FT line by 16 and shot more than twice as many FTs which was the difference in the game. Maybe the Hawks got some home cookin'.
Quote from: JD24 on November 16, 2019, 11:28:50 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on November 06, 2019, 08:58:41 AMVery interesting stats in the Bradley loss to Saint Joseph's.. Bradley shot 45% from 3, 80% from the line, and had 5 guys in double figures, had more assists than turnovers, out rebounded their opponents by 7... and they still lost. Just a reminder a team can play well and still lose, and I have a feeling that will happen to us many times this year. We appear to be a "scrappy" team and teams like that win some they shouldn't and lose some they should. I see lots of potential though.
In this particular game, St. Joseph's outscored Bradley at the FT line by 16 and shot more than twice as many FTs which was the difference in the game. Maybe the Hawks got some home cookin'.
For the record, this was a terrible loss for Bradley and the MVC:
• Bradley was picked to finish 2nd in the MVC. St. Joseph 13th of 14 teams in the A-10.
• Bradley was a 5 point favorite - at St Joseph.
• Since then, Loyola (picked 4th in the MVC) beat St. Joseph by 17.
Quote from: wh on November 17, 2019, 06:06:08 AM
Quote from: JD24 on November 16, 2019, 11:28:50 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on November 06, 2019, 08:58:41 AMVery interesting stats in the Bradley loss to Saint Joseph's.. Bradley shot 45% from 3, 80% from the line, and had 5 guys in double figures, had more assists than turnovers, out rebounded their opponents by 7... and they still lost. Just a reminder a team can play well and still lose, and I have a feeling that will happen to us many times this year. We appear to be a "scrappy" team and teams like that win some they shouldn't and lose some they should. I see lots of potential though.
In this particular game, St. Joseph's outscored Bradley at the FT line by 16 and shot more than twice as many FTs which was the difference in the game. Maybe the Hawks got some home cookin'.
For the record, this was a terrible loss for Bradley and the MVC:
• Bradley was picked to finish 2nd in the MVC. St. Joseph 13th of 14 teams in the A-10.
• Bradley was a 5 point favorite - at St Joseph.
• Since then, Loyola (picked 4th in the MVC) beat St. Joseph by 17.
I like to think that Wardle does a poor job at times. ;)
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 16, 2019, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: bbtds on November 16, 2019, 09:32:16 AMQuote from: wh on November 15, 2019, 09:02:43 PMThree quality 4-year recruits who are excited for all the right reasons. What a difference a year makes!
I won't get ahead too far but hat eating could become a spectator sport on this board at some point in the future.
Wasn't my original post if he gets anywhere near Coach K's level I'd eat my hat? I'd say we have awhile to wait on that. Five National Championships isn't easy for anyone.
I'm willing to wait quite a while. ;)
Quote from: wh on November 17, 2019, 06:06:08 AMQuote from: JD24 on November 16, 2019, 11:28:50 PMQuote from: SanityLost17 on November 06, 2019, 08:58:41 AMVery interesting stats in the Bradley loss to Saint Joseph's.. Bradley shot 45% from 3, 80% from the line, and had 5 guys in double figures, had more assists than turnovers, out rebounded their opponents by 7... and they still lost. Just a reminder a team can play well and still lose, and I have a feeling that will happen to us many times this year. We appear to be a "scrappy" team and teams like that win some they shouldn't and lose some they should. I see lots of potential though.
In this particular game, St. Joseph's outscored Bradley at the FT line by 16 and shot more than twice as many FTs which was the difference in the game. Maybe the Hawks got some home cookin'.
For the record, this was a terrible loss for Bradley and the MVC:
More along the lines of what I was thinking but you were willing to post it ;D
Quote from: JD24 on November 17, 2019, 09:25:58 AMQuote from: wh on November 17, 2019, 06:06:08 AMQuote from: JD24 on November 16, 2019, 11:28:50 PMQuote from: SanityLost17 on November 06, 2019, 08:58:41 AMVery interesting stats in the Bradley loss to Saint Joseph's.. Bradley shot 45% from 3, 80% from the line, and had 5 guys in double figures, had more assists than turnovers, out rebounded their opponents by 7... and they still lost. Just a reminder a team can play well and still lose, and I have a feeling that will happen to us many times this year. We appear to be a "scrappy" team and teams like that win some they shouldn't and lose some they should. I see lots of potential though.
In this particular game, St. Joseph's outscored Bradley at the FT line by 16 and shot more than twice as many FTs which was the difference in the game. Maybe the Hawks got some home cookin'.
For the record, this was a terrible loss for Bradley and the MVC:
More along the lines of what I was thinking but you were willing to post it ;D
What's worse is that same Loyola team lost to Coppin freaking State.
I'm watching Charlotte hosting the Demon Deacons...(we head there on 12/16)... they are beating Wake Forest 38-33 at the under 16 media in the second half.
did enjoy the Sunday Morning RealTimeRpi...this was before we beat ND and watched Saint Louis get spanked at home by Seton Hall.
1 Illinois St. 0-0 2-0 0.9375 1 0.9167
2 Evansville 0-0 2-0 0.9167 2 0.8889
18 Valparaiso 0-0 2-1 0.7270 28 0.7130
40 Northern Iowa 0-0 4-0 0.6658 126 0.5544
128 Indiana St. 0-0 0-2 0.5417 24 0.7222
168 Loyola Chicago 0-0 2-2 0.4948 146 0.5347
216 Bradley 0-0 2-1 0.4560 277 0.3858
224 Southern Ill. 0-0 1-3 0.4497 118 0.5579
278 Drake 0-0 2-1 0.3889 319 0.2963
292 Missouri St. 0-0 2-2 0.3733 284 0.3727
High Point off to an 0-4 start and ranked #331 at KenPom. Valpo will get a road win there, but not sure it will add much to the resume.
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 19, 2019, 10:00:53 PM
High Point off to an 0-4 start and ranked #331 at KenPom. Valpo will get a road win there, but not sure it will add much to the resume.
As it was last year High Point is a trap game and could easily be a low point of the season. Tubby Smith is no dummy.
Speaking of Eastern Michigan... Just added myself and a few others for the pregame party at the convocation center in Ypsilanti for December 3rd. $25 includes the meal and game tickets.
Quote from: bbtds on November 20, 2019, 07:53:58 AM
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 19, 2019, 10:00:53 PM
High Point off to an 0-4 start and ranked #331 at KenPom. Valpo will get a road win there, but not sure it will add much to the resume.
As it was last year High Point is a trap game and could easily be a low point of the season. Tubby Smith is no dummy.
I watched 1/2 of their game at Belmont which Belmont dominated so I learned very little. Tubby brought a defensive sceme to the ARC last year that didn't give us any good looks or drives either inside or out. I can't remember the details but it might have been the worst Lottich was outcoached all season. I'm not expecting that to happen again!
Quote from: justducky on November 20, 2019, 08:17:28 PM
Quote from: bbtds on November 20, 2019, 07:53:58 AM
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 19, 2019, 10:00:53 PM
High Point off to an 0-4 start and ranked #331 at KenPom. Valpo will get a road win there, but not sure it will add much to the resume.
As it was last year High Point is a trap game and could easily be a low point of the season. Tubby Smith is no dummy.
I watched 1/2 of their game at Belmont which Belmont dominated so I learned very little. Tubby brought a defensive sceme to the ARC last year that didn't give us any good looks or drives either inside or out. I can't remember the details but it might have been the worst Lottich was outcoached all season. I'm not expecting that to happen again!
Wow, I thought we got hit by grad transfers look at HPU. The Panthers lost both Kamga (Purdue) and Proctor (Cal St Fullerton). Last year in their 55-53 win at the ARC Kamga had 16 and Proctor had 19. Both we athletic guards that left at the high point of their college careers. Okay, okay, I'll stop.
Not a particularly good day for the opponents today...
App State 64 Charlotte 55
Miami (FL) 74 Missouri State 70 (now 2-3 on the year)
Duquesne (4-0) 74 Indiana State (0-4) 71
16:15 to go in the game: Minnesota 58 Central Mich 34
at the Half Drake 40 Lehigh 33
4:18 first half: Notre Dame 19 Toledo 19
Notre Dame with 1 second on the clock...coming out of a time out.
Nate Laszewski made 3-pt. jump shot, assist by Rex Pflueger 1.0 Going to Overtime...tied at 55
ND got 3 offensive rebounds in the last 10 seconds...
Toledo missed several FTs in the final minute....
and the rockets lose in OT... gave it away. what a difference that could make at the end of the year...
This tweet gave me a good chuckle
https://twitter.com/crusadervu/status/1197732467102375936?s=21
Missouri State (3-3) 71 St Josephs 69
Eastern Michigan (5-0) 62 UMBC 45
Nevada 74 Fordham 60
--- other games we'll be watching today ---
Indiana State 36 Marymount 36 16:10 to play
Illinois State vs Cincinnati ... Bearcats favored by 12.5
Radford @ Bradley ... Braves favored by 4
Evansville @ East Carolina ... Aces favored by 6
Quote from: VALPO LI on September 03, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
I like this MVC schedule! Only one home game when students are on break and it's vs Loyola where we have drawn a good crowd in the past from Chicago.
Then our next four home games are on weekends!!!
Drake (Sat)
Indiana St. (Sat)
Evansville (Sun)
Illinois St. (Sat)
This should get fans excited!!!!
But we don't want a good crowd from Chicago....we want a good crowd from the region.
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I posted this on the wrong thread. Meant to post it here.
THE 1ST 8-MINUTE SAGA
For the last 4 games (SIUE, N. Dakota, GCU, Nevada):
% of Total Shots Taken from 3
57% 1st 8 minutes
32% Final 32 minutes
3-Pt Shooting Pct.
- 1st 8 Minutes 20%
- Final 32 Minutes 40%
Score Differential
- 1st 8 Minutes - Outscored by all 4 opponents by 25 points collectively (6 pts/game)
- Final 32 Minutes - Outscored opponents by 31 points collectively (+46 for 3 W's; -15 for 1 loss)
Take Away: Stop jacking up so many 3's in the first 8 minutes (especially early in the shot clock).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhJGOYJo9mM
17 steals in 7 games for Freeman-Liberty and most of this came against high level competition. :o
The MVC is now 0-7 this season against the American Conference.
Evansville 0-2 SMU, East Carolina.
Illinois St. 0-2 UCF, Cincinnati.
Drake 0-1 Cincinnati.
Loyola 0-1 USF.
Valpo 0-1 Cincinnati.
Quote from: VALPO LI on November 26, 2019, 04:50:44 AM
The MVC is now 0-7 this season against the American Conference.
Evansville 0-2 SMU, East Carolina.
Illinois St. 0-2 UCF, Cincinnati.
Drake 0-1 Cincinnati.
Loyola 0-1 USF.
Valpo 0-1 Cincinnati.
And the MVC went 0-5 yesterday. Need some teams to step it up if the conference wants to get the recognition they deserve.
Quote from: justducky on November 25, 2019, 09:02:04 PM
17 steals in 7 games for Freeman-Liberty and most of this came against high level competition. :o
Not only that, but averaging 23.5 ppg. For those looking way ahead, Javon would need to average a little over 20 ppg (depending on # of games played) over his last three seasons to get close to Alec's record. His improvement in shooting/scoring this year has been remarkable.
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 26, 2019, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: justducky on November 25, 2019, 09:02:04 PM17 steals in 7 games for Freeman-Liberty and most of this came against high level competition. :o
Not only that, but averaging 23.5 ppg. For those looking way ahead, Javon would need to average a little over 20 ppg (depending on # of games played) over his last three seasons to get close to Alec's record. His improvement in shooting/scoring this year has been remarkable.
Marcus Liberty worked with Javon this summer and put him on a brutal shooting regimen.
Quote from: Just Sayin on November 26, 2019, 11:32:44 AM
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 26, 2019, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: justducky on November 25, 2019, 09:02:04 PM17 steals in 7 games for Freeman-Liberty and most of this came against high level competition. :o
Not only that, but averaging 23.5 ppg. For those looking way ahead, Javon would need to average a little over 20 ppg (depending on # of games played) over his last three seasons to get close to Alec's record. His improvement in shooting/scoring this year has been remarkable.
Marcus Liberty worked with Javon this summer and put him on a brutal shooting regimen.
Unlike a year ago, no one to date has been able to stop Javon, or even slow him down much. Even more, he has demonstrated that he can take a game over at crucial times and carry the team across the finish line. He is a very dangerous player.
Before we talk about breaking Alec's record, let's just enjoy this season. Players can enter the transfer portal as many times as they want, and if he does it after this season, all of the big boys will be knocking on his door this time.
so with today's win over CMU, our rpi (yes, I know THAT)
Valpo is now rated #63. meaning:
we are the highest rated team on Charlotte's schedule.
except for their game with #61 Texas, we are the highest rated team on high point schedule.
we are the highest rated non-conference team on Arkansas schedule.and they just lost at Western Kentucky.
Quote from: valpotx on November 28, 2019, 12:34:23 PMBefore we talk about breaking Alec's record, let's just enjoy this season. Players can enter the transfer portal as many times as they want, and if he does it after this season, all of the big boys will be knocking on his door this time.
Yes, and he would have to sit out a year. It's the following year once he graduates that I would be worried about.
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 09, 2019, 07:52:55 AM
Quote from: valpotx on November 28, 2019, 12:34:23 PMBefore we talk about breaking Alec's record, let's just enjoy this season. Players can enter the transfer portal as many times as they want, and if he does it after this season, all of the big boys will be knocking on his door this time.
Yes, and he would have to sit out a year. It's the following year once he graduates that I would be worried about.
Speaking of graduating, here's to hoping this team does well on their finals. We hardly need more academic ineligibility after Burton and Adekoya (sorta).
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on December 09, 2019, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 09, 2019, 07:52:55 AM
Quote from: valpotx on November 28, 2019, 12:34:23 PMBefore we talk about breaking Alec's record, let's just enjoy this season. Players can enter the transfer portal as many times as they want, and if he does it after this season, all of the big boys will be knocking on his door this time.
Yes, and he would have to sit out a year. It's the following year once he graduates that I would be worried about.
Speaking of graduating, here's to hoping this team does well on their finals. We hardly need more academic ineligibility after Burton and Adekoya (sorta).
Matt addresses this at 5:58 of the press conference.
The stills on these videos are hilarious. All four of their facial expressions say "When Mom says no dessert until you finish your vegetables."
Looking at that image you'd think Valpo LOST by 22... This team is hard to figure out... Are they good or not?
nullOn what source was Matt relying upon to state in the interview that Valpo had the number one offense in the country coming into that game? I haven't read, heard, or seen that anywhere and I look at several sources.
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https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
They are still number 1. You did mean thay Matt said we were playing the number one offense, not that Valpo was the number one?
Quote from: vu72 on December 09, 2019, 02:10:16 PM
nullOn what source was Matt relying upon to state in the interview that Valpo had the number one offense in the country coming into that game? I haven't read, heard, or seen that anywhere and I look at several sources.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
They are still number 1. You did mean thay Matt said we were playing the number one offense, not that Valpo was the number one?
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Holding a team 35 points below their average is insane. Coming into the game, CMU had scored 84 or more in 7 of 9 games, including games of 134, 115, 106 and 102. Wow! :o
CMU was leading the nation is PPG (91.5)... that was 4 points better than whomever was in second place...
This morning:
1. CMU 90.0 through 10 games
2. Dayton 87.4 through 8 games
3. Georgia 86.1 through 8 games
...
75 Valparaiso 78.0 through 10 games (Maryland is 77.9... pepperdine is 78.1)
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Other Stats on the ESPN.COM stats page:
Offensive Leaders - Points per game...
1. Marquettes' Markus Howard 25.1
...
11. Javon Freeman-Liberty 22.3 (#10: Terry Taylor, Austin Peay 22.5; #12 St. Joe's Ryan Daly 22.0)
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Total Points Scored
1. Northeastern's Jordan Roland 250 points in 10 games
5. Valparaiso's Javon Freeman Liberty 223 points in 10 games
UMass Lowell Chriatian Lutete 223 points in 11 games
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Assists
#81 Sackey 45 / total assists
#97 Sackey 4.5/assists per game
Steals
#15 JFL 25 Total Steals
#27 JFL 2.5 Steals per game
=============================
From the Valpo Record book:
PLAYER YEAR POINTS FOR SEASON
1. Bruce Lindner 1969-70 725
2. Alec Peters 2015-16 679
3. Alec Peters 2016-17 666
4. Dick Jones 1966-67 662
5. Bryce Drew 1996-97 617
6. Bryce Drew 1997-98 613
7. Tracy Gipson 1992-93 595
8. Dan Oppland 2004-05 577
9. Dan Oppland 2005-06 573
10. Alec Peters 2014-15 570
PLAYER YEAR ASSIST FOR SEASON
1. John McIlvain 1982-83 197
2. Ali Berdiel 2003-04 185
3. John McIlvain 1983-84 165
4. Bryce Drew 1995-96 164
5. Scott Anselm 1988-89 163
6. Bryce Drew 1994-95 162
7. Keith Carter 2015-16 161
8. Bryce Drew 1997-98 155
9. Ali Berdiel 2002-03 146
10. Bryce Drew 1996-97 145
PLAYER YEAR STEALS FOR SEASON
1. Lubos Barton 2001-02 63
2. Scott Anselm 1988-89 61
3. Javon Freeman 2018-19 60
4. Keith Carter 2015-16 58
5. Ali Berdiel 2002-03 57
Stalin Ortiz 2001-02 57
7. Stalin Ortiz 2002-03 56
8. Brandon Wood 2010-11 55
Erik Buggs 2012-13 55
10. Bryce Drew 1997-98 53
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on December 09, 2019, 12:39:54 PMAll four of their facial expressions say "When Mom says no dessert until you finish your vegetables."
Getting my vote for "caption comment of the year"...
72
Yeah I originally thought he was referring to Valpo. So I removed post when I realized he was referring to CMU.
Quote from: talksalot on December 08, 2019, 09:16:55 PMexcept for their game with #61 Texas, we are the highest rated team on high point schedule.
So Valpo is the second Highest Point on High Point's schedule although Texas is the Highest Point on High Point's schedule as far as RPI ranking. It's really good to be near High Point's nearest High Point. ;) :) ;D
Quote from: talksalot on December 09, 2019, 03:29:10 PMPLAYER YEAR POINTS FOR SEASON
1. Bruce Lindner 1969-70 725
2. Alec Peters 2015-16 679
3. Alec Peters 2016-17 666
4. Dick Jones 1966-67 662
5. Bryce Drew 1996-97 617
6. Bryce Drew 1997-98 613
7. Tracy Gipson 1992-93 595
8. Dan Oppland 2004-05 577
9. Dan Oppland 2005-06 573
10. Alec Peters 2014-15 570
Only Lindner and Jones played without the 3 point basket. Bruce's numbers will never be matched.
We'll never forget you Bruce!
Quote from: vu72 on December 09, 2019, 07:18:56 PM
Quote from: talksalot on December 09, 2019, 03:29:10 PMPLAYER YEAR POINTS FOR SEASON
1. Bruce Lindner 1969-70 725
2. Alec Peters 2015-16 679
3. Alec Peters 2016-17 666
4. Dick Jones 1966-67 662
5. Bryce Drew 1996-97 617
6. Bryce Drew 1997-98 613
7. Tracy Gipson 1992-93 595
8. Dan Oppland 2004-05 577
9. Dan Oppland 2005-06 573
10. Alec Peters 2014-15 570
Only Lindner and Jones played without the 3 point basket. Bruce's numbers will never be matched.
What was the teams record during Bruce's tenure?
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on December 09, 2019, 12:39:54 PM
The stills on these videos are hilarious. All four of their facial expressions say "When Mom says no dessert until you finish your vegetables."
A couple of games back Matt said "...it never pays to get too high or too low in this business." All 4 look as expressionless as the Crusader mascot.
1966-67 21-8
1967-68 11-15
1968-69 16-12
and THAT year for the other #24 hanging from the rafters...
1969-1970 13-13 (2-6)
Indiana Collegiate Conference (5th/5)
Head Coach: Gene Bartow
Date Opponent W/L Score
Dec. 1 Saint Procopius W 106-78
Dec. 6 Notre Dame L 98-82
Dec. 8 at Air Force L 81-65
Dec. 10 Whittier W 72-68
Dec. 12 Pacifi c Lutheran ! W 76-66
Dec. 13 Gustavus Adolphus ! W 99-78
Dec. 18 South Alabama W(ot) 91-85
Dec. 29 vs. Mississippi # L(ot) 80-77
Dec. 30 vs. Navy # W 87-71
Jan. 3 Brown W 70-65
Westmont W 99-87
Jan. 10 at Butler L 95-80
Jan. 14 Ball State L 83-80
Jan. 17 Wheaton W 94-85
Jan. 24 at Kansas L 74-58
Jan. 28 at Dartmouth W 75-73
Jan. 31 Evansville L 92-82
Feb. 2 Loyola L 85-67
at DePauw L 90-80
Feb. 7 Saint Joseph's (Ind.) W 85-84
Feb. 11 Butler L 99-87
Feb. 14 at Indiana State L 108-96
Feb. 21 DePauw W 95-84
Feb. 24 at Evansville L 101-97
Feb. 28 at Wheaton W 94-85
Mar. 3 at Saint Joseph's (Ind.) L 105-95
! - Crusader Classic (Valparaiso, Ind.)
# - Senior Bowl Classic (Mobile, Ala.)
That 1969-1970 season featured a pretty darn good non-conference schedule.
Paul
Quote from: talksalot on December 09, 2019, 09:33:25 PMDec. 12 Pacifi c Lutheran ! W 76-66
Dec. 13 Gustavus Adolphus ! W 99-78
I liked the Crusader Classic. As I recall it was comprised of four teams from Lutheran colleges or universities. I don't know if any other team ever beat Valpo in it, but it was a way of acknowledging the Lutheran identity and (in my opinion) reminded the country that Valpo is the preeminent Lutheran university.
Quote from: humbleopinion on December 10, 2019, 05:25:54 AM
Quote from: talksalot on December 09, 2019, 09:33:25 PMDec. 12 Pacifi c Lutheran ! W 76-66
Dec. 13 Gustavus Adolphus ! W 99-78
I liked the Crusader Classic. As I recall it was comprised of four teams from Lutheran colleges or universities. I don't know if any other team ever beat Valpo in it, but it was a way of acknowledging the Lutheran identity and (in my opinion) reminded the country that Valpo is the preeminent Lutheran university.
I couldn't agree with you more and in my opinion we need to rekindle this tradition. Wagner College is the only other Division 1 Lutheran Institution around and if Augustana University becomes D1 that would be 3 D1 Lutheran Colleges. Have a yearly tournament at the ARC promoting our Lutheran Heritage.
I believe, altho not sure, there are one or two schools in the South or Southeast that have Lutheran ties, though maybe far removed. I think Lenore-Rhyne(spell??) may be one. I am sure someone on this panel will findout if there are any others.
Bruce scored 775 in 24 games, now we play 32 games !!!! :o
You all would flip your lids if those teams appeared on our (home) schedule nowadays, lol.
Quote from: M on December 10, 2019, 03:03:33 PMYou all would flip your lids if those teams appeared on our (home) schedule nowadays, lol.
Nobody likes to watch blowout games.
Quote from: M on December 10, 2019, 03:03:33 PM
You all would flip your lids if those teams appeared on our (home) schedule nowadays, lol.
I'm pretty sure Concordia Chicago was on our schedule maybe last year? We could also schedule Wagner, the other Lutheran D1.
Quote from: valpo64 on December 10, 2019, 11:47:19 AM
I believe, altho not sure, there are one or two schools in the South or Southeast that have Lutheran ties, though maybe far removed. I think Lenore-Rhyne(spell??) may be one. I am sure someone on this panel will findout if there are any others.
Here is the complete list:
https://lutherancolleges.org/
Quote from: M on December 10, 2019, 03:03:33 PM
You all would flip your lids if those teams appeared on our (home) schedule nowadays, lol.
That is the laughable part, I was thinking the EXACT same thing . . . geesh, haha.
We'd flip our lid and the ticket prices would be the same.
I agree on the schools that are not D-1. I was referring to Div. 1 schools only. Are L- R and Wagner the only D-1 Lutheran affiliated schools other thanValpo?
As was noted earlier, Augustana plans to go Div 1.
I was hoping loose a Concordia/Trinity on the schedule and pick up a game against Wagner and play for a Lutheran Trophy. Right now Wagner College is the only Lutheran College along with Valpo that has a D1 athletic program. Lenoir Rhyne University is D2.
I think Matt and his young team are starting to hit their stride.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kbtfoViw0I&feature=share
This CMU performance just might be the big turning point this season for this team. I see good things happening from here if they continue to excel both offensively and defensively. This is a more balanced team. Keep it up.
Quote from: VUfan on December 10, 2019, 02:51:55 PM
Bruce scored 775 in 24 games, now we play 32 games !!!! :o
Is that Bruce Lindner or a misspelling of Bryce?
https://twitter.com/NWISports/status/1206406439960481792?s=20
Quote from: VU2014 on December 15, 2019, 10:03:08 PM
https://twitter.com/NWISports/status/1206406439960481792?s=20
The Crusaders fell apart when Fazekas suffered a significant ankle sprain last winter, falling toward the bottom of Division I in multiple offensive statistics.
In this space last season, I wrote that Valparaiso's failure to cobble together an adequate offense without Fazekas couldn't extend into this season in case he missed time again.
While the Crusaders still have a minimum of three games left without Fazekas, coach Matt Lottich and his staff deserve credit for the offensive improvement this season. And the players should be praised for developing their skill.
"I think we're doing a better job of just being harder to guard," Lottich said. "We're getting a lot of easier baskets and we're turning turnovers into points, and we've done that pretty consistently all year."
"... I think we've got a different team. It's hard to compare teams. The previous year, we were playing with traditional centers and more back-to-the-basket guys. Now, we've got five guys that can dribble, pass and shoot pretty much all the time on the court, and that makes offense easier."
Valpo embarks on a three-game road trip starting with a game at Charlotte on Monday, and the Crusaders can clinch a winning nonconference record with just one more victory. They'll stay in North Carolina for a game at High Point on Wednesday before jetting to Little Rock, Arkansas, to face the 9-1 Arkansas Razorbacks on Saturday.(7 point loss to Western Kentucky in OT in Bowling Green, KY)
Clay has started every game since Fazekas got hurt. When he entered the lineup, he had just two real college games under his belt. He doesn't bring Fazekas' shooting, but his length and athleticism disrupt opposing offenses and have helped him shoot 64% from 2-point range. Clay is a weapon in the open court and is hard to deter at the rim.
Lottich said Fazekas won't play on the trip. Based on the strides Valpo has made this fall, however, that isn't a huge concern.
"I think the biggest thing from last year to this year is this year we know he's out but we don't really dwell on the fact that he's out," sophomore point guard Daniel Sackey said. "Last year, I feel like it was more so, 'Oh my gosh, he's out. What are we gonna do?' Like, panic mode. ... A lot of guys have stepped up, so I think that's a very positive thing to take from it."
In case you may have missed it the Valpo game against Arkansas is at the Simmons Bank Arena in North Little Rock and not at their home arena in Fayetteville in NW Arkansas at the Bud Walton Arena.
This is a doubleheader event with their women's team playing the UALR Trojans at 1:00 p.m. CST and their men's team playing the Crusaders at 7:00 p.m. CST.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simmons_Bank_Arena
Simmons Bank Arena is an 18,000 seat arena in the downtown area of Little Rock on the north side of the Arkansas River in North Little Rock.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2rMLdimyQwYzCWp77
It is formerly known as the Alltel Arena and the Verizon Arena.
In 2019 the naming rights to the venue will be changed from Verizon to Arkansas based Simmons Bank. The deal was announced in November 9, 2018. The name change became official on October 3, 2019.
The Razorback Athletic Department sells this as a bus trip to Little Rock with a restaurant visit in between games.
https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/road-trip-with-the-razorbacks-to-simmons-bank-arena-on-dec-21/
Mileek McMillian - Fouls/40 min. played
2017-18 7.5
2018-19 8.3
2019-20 8.0 (8.7 away games)
Rest of the roster:
Krikke 4.2
Kiser 3.8
Gordon 3.4
Robinson 3.2
Sackey 3.1
Freeman-Liberty 2.9
Clay 2.4
Observations:
- This is the worst individual player deficiency/dysfunction I have ever seen or heard of in Division I college basketball.
- After 75 games over 2 1/2 seasons with absolutely no improvement, Mileek's inability to stop fouling is not a problem that can be solved. It can only be managed.
- Consider all the close games that we have lost where Mileek was on the bench in crunch time because he fouled out, or played fewer minutes than he should have thereby contributing less than he could have, or put the opposition in the bonus/double bonus sooner than they should have, or forced a decision to play inexperienced rookie backups against seasoned veterans. How many easy baskets has he given up trying to defend once he is in foul trouble? Etc., etc.
- Someone failed Mileek miserably a long time ago when they didn't teach him how to defend without fouling, so he brought his terrible habits with him to college.
- This coaching staff has failed him miserably for the past 2 1/2 years and counting. I can't believe that situation could not have been remedied by any respectable "big man's coach," which apparently doesn't exist at Valpo. Instead, the coaching staff continues to reward and placate this total nonsensical situation by starting him and allowing him to rack up foul after foul, something that probably began in middle school and hasn't changed since. Absolutely, the wrong message.
- What does the team get in return? An occasional 3 point basket made at a 20% clip.
- So there you have it. An upper classman whose undoubtedly has the highest fouling rate/40 in college basketball, which hasn't improved in 3 years, combined with his worst shooting performance in 3 years, starting for a Missouri Valley Conference basketball program that hopes to contend for a conference championship. End of story.
This will be one of the more interesting things to watch going forward. If the trends hold, Krikke should be starting about midway through the season. I love McM as a backup 5, or even better, a stretch 4 if EFV can give you 12-15 decent minutes per game.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 07, 2020, 12:35:24 PMThis will be one of the more interesting things to watch going forward. If the trends hold, Krikke should be starting about midway through the season. I love McM as a backup 5, or even better, a stretch 4 if EFV can give you 12-15 decent minutes per game.
Of the three players that I think get too many minutes (McMillian, Sackey, Kiser) McMillian is by far the top of my list for a demotion. He has one thing going for him, his size, and at 6'8" he can't even do that right. Really though, he is a good asset to have on a team (can stretch the floor, decent size) but should be coming off the bench.
Quote from: wh on January 07, 2020, 12:25:31 PM
Mileek McMillian - Fouls/40 min. played
2017-18 7.5
2018-19 8.3
2019-20 8.0 (8.7 away games)
Rest of the roster:
Krikke 4.2
Kiser 3.8
Gordon 3.4
Robinson 3.2
Sackey 3.1
Freeman-Liberty 2.9
Clay 2.4
Observations:
- This is the worst individual player deficiency/dysfunction I have ever seen or heard of in Division I college basketball.
- After 75 games over 2 1/2 seasons with absolutely no improvement, Mileek's inability to stop fouling is not a problem that can be solved. It can only be managed.
- Consider all the close games that we have lost where Mileek was on the bench in crunch time because he fouled out, or played fewer minutes than he should have thereby contributing less than he could have, or put the opposition in the bonus/double bonus sooner than they should have, or forced a decision to play inexperienced rookie backups against seasoned veterans. How many easy baskets has he given up trying to defend once he is in foul trouble? Etc., etc.
- Someone failed Mileek miserably a long time ago when they didn't teach him how to defend without fouling, so he brought his terrible habits with him to college.
- This coaching staff has failed him miserably for the past 2 1/2 years and counting. I can't believe that situation could not have been remedied by any respectable "big man's coach," which apparently doesn't exist at Valpo. Instead, the coaching staff continues to reward and placate this total nonsensical situation by starting him and allowing him to rack up foul after foul, something that probably began in middle school and hasn't changed since. Absolutely, the wrong message.
- What does the team get in return? An occasional 3 point basket made at a 20% clip.
- So there you have it. An upper classman whose undoubtedly has the highest fouling rate/40 in college basketball, which hasn't improved in 3 years, combined with his worst shooting performance in 3 years, starting for a Missouri Valley Conference basketball program that hopes to contend for a conference championship. End of story.
Forgive me. I wasn't a math major. I'm trying to understand "8.0 fouls per 40 minutes played". Mileek has played 242 minutes and has 47 fouls. I'm not sure it is a good measurement but if it is, 242/ 40 = 6.05 40 minute periods. 47/6.05 = 7.77. Counting the Canadian trip, he has fouled out of 5 games out of 20 games.
Statistics in a void can produce what you want from them. As an example, Let's look at points per minute played: Mileek: 1.95 JFL: 0.65 Ben: 0.40 Sounds like Mileek is a star!!
Seriously, Mileek, like him or not, doesn't have a replacement at this time. Nobody is as physical and can go up against guys like the big guy tonight. Will he foul? You bet, but is it better to allow a bunny or make a guy shoot FTs? It just is more complicated than just one statistic.
Quote from: wh on January 07, 2020, 12:25:31 PM
Mileek McMillian - Fouls/40 min. played
2017-18 7.5
2018-19 8.3
2019-20 8.0 (8.7 away games)
Rest of the roster:
Krikke 4.2
Kiser 3.8
Gordon 3.4
Robinson 3.2
Sackey 3.1
Freeman-Liberty 2.9
Clay 2.4
Observations:
- This is the worst individual player deficiency/dysfunction I have ever seen or heard of in Division I college basketball.
- After 75 games over 2 1/2 seasons with absolutely no improvement, Mileek's inability to stop fouling is not a problem that can be solved. It can only be managed.
- Consider all the close games that we have lost where Mileek was on the bench in crunch time because he fouled out, or played fewer minutes than he should have thereby contributing less than he could have, or put the opposition in the bonus/double bonus sooner than they should have, or forced a decision to play inexperienced rookie backups against seasoned veterans. How many easy baskets has he given up trying to defend once he is in foul trouble? Etc., etc.
- Someone failed Mileek miserably a long time ago when they didn't teach him how to defend without fouling, so he brought his terrible habits with him to college.
- This coaching staff has failed him miserably for the past 2 1/2 years and counting. I can't believe that situation could not have been remedied by any respectable "big man's coach," which apparently doesn't exist at Valpo. Instead, the coaching staff continues to reward and placate this total nonsensical situation by starting him and allowing him to rack up foul after foul, something that probably began in middle school and hasn't changed since. Absolutely, the wrong message.
- What does the team get in return? An occasional 3 point basket made at a 20% clip.
- So there you have it. An upper classman whose undoubtedly has the highest fouling rate/40 in college basketball, which hasn't improved in 3 years, combined with his worst shooting performance in 3 years, starting for a Missouri Valley Conference basketball program that hopes to contend for a conference championship. End of story.
This adequately sums up my concern with Mileek as well. Thanks for adding context to the equation WH. I cringe when I see him setting screens and banging inside for position. Let's be honest here, he very easily could be at 10+ fouls per 40-minutes if the refs didn't feel bad for him at times. He is a bruiser and simply cannot grasp finesse and angles.
Quote from: vu72 on January 07, 2020, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: wh on January 07, 2020, 12:25:31 PM
Mileek McMillian - Fouls/40 min. played
2017-18 7.5
2018-19 8.3
2019-20 8.0 (8.7 away games)
Rest of the roster:
Krikke 4.2
Kiser 3.8
Gordon 3.4
Robinson 3.2
Sackey 3.1
Freeman-Liberty 2.9
Clay 2.4
Observations:
- This is the worst individual player deficiency/dysfunction I have ever seen or heard of in Division I college basketball.
- After 75 games over 2 1/2 seasons with absolutely no improvement, Mileek's inability to stop fouling is not a problem that can be solved. It can only be managed.
- Consider all the close games that we have lost where Mileek was on the bench in crunch time because he fouled out, or played fewer minutes than he should have thereby contributing less than he could have, or put the opposition in the bonus/double bonus sooner than they should have, or forced a decision to play inexperienced rookie backups against seasoned veterans. How many easy baskets has he given up trying to defend once he is in foul trouble? Etc., etc.
- Someone failed Mileek miserably a long time ago when they didn't teach him how to defend without fouling, so he brought his terrible habits with him to college.
- This coaching staff has failed him miserably for the past 2 1/2 years and counting. I can't believe that situation could not have been remedied by any respectable "big man's coach," which apparently doesn't exist at Valpo. Instead, the coaching staff continues to reward and placate this total nonsensical situation by starting him and allowing him to rack up foul after foul, something that probably began in middle school and hasn't changed since. Absolutely, the wrong message.
- What does the team get in return? An occasional 3 point basket made at a 20% clip.
- So there you have it. An upper classman whose undoubtedly has the highest fouling rate/40 in college basketball, which hasn't improved in 3 years, combined with his worst shooting performance in 3 years, starting for a Missouri Valley Conference basketball program that hopes to contend for a conference championship. End of story.
Forgive me. I wasn't a math major. I'm trying to understand "8.0 fouls per 40 minutes played". Mileek has played 242 minutes and has 47 fouls. I'm not sure it is a good measurement but if it is, 242/ 40 = 6.05 40 minute periods. 47/6.05 = 7.77. Counting the Canadian trip, he has fouled out of 5 games out of 20 games.
Statistics in a void can produce what you want from them. As an example, Let's look at points per minute played: Mileek: 1.95 JFL: 0.65 Ben: 0.40 Sounds like Mileek is a star!!
Seriously, Mileek, like him or not, doesn't have a replacement at this time. Nobody is as physical and can go up against guys like the big guy tonight. Will he foul? You bet, but is it better to allow a bunny or make a guy shoot FTs? It just is more complicated than just one statistic.
So still very nearly double the next Valpo teammate in fouls/40-min?
The difference between 8.0 fouls/40 and 7.8 fouls/40 is statistically meaningless. They are equally appalling.
Mileek draws 4.4 fouls per 40 minutes(national rank 493 out of 2,226 players), his block percentage (4.5) is nationally ranked at 201 out of 2,226 players eligible for national rank.
Other rankings for Mileek within the conference for the season include:
13th Free throw%, best on the team at 75%
16th 2pt%, best on the team at 55.9%
29th for steal% at 1.61
31st for Assist Rate 12.3
16th for Offensive Rebound%, second best on team at 6.8
4th for Offensive Rating when at least 28% of possessions used at 93.0, behind only Javon.
10 for Offensive Rating when at least 24% of possession used, behind only Javon.
26th for Offensive Rating when at least 20% of possessions used, behind only Javon.
Warning: :deadhorse:
Guys, it's spelled M I L E E K M C M I L L A N
It's been 2.5 seasons and it's on the back of his danged jersey. (Granted when he's on the bench with 4 fouls you can't see the back of his jersey...)
Also, there's no A in K I S E R
/ :deadhorse:
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on January 07, 2020, 05:43:30 PM
Warning: :deadhorse:
Guys, it's spelled M I L E E K M C M I L L A N
It's been 2.5 seasons and it's on the back of his danged jersey. (Granted when he's on the bench with 4 fouls you can't see the back of his jersey...)
Also, there's no A in K I S E R
/ :deadhorse:
How do you feel now, better?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 07, 2020, 06:32:03 PM
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on January 07, 2020, 05:43:30 PM
Warning: :deadhorse:
Guys, it's spelled M I L E E K M C M I L L A N
It's been 2.5 seasons and it's on the back of his danged jersey. (Granted when he's on the bench with 4 fouls you can't see the back of his jersey...)
Also, there's no A in K I S E R
/ :deadhorse:
How do you feel now, better?
I do.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 07, 2020, 06:32:03 PM
How do you feel now, better?
I did... Until midway through tonight's game :'(
After Carbondale lets talk about fresh starts and new ideas. As much as I love the hustle of both Sackey and Morgan, their play is not winning us games. There are also drawbacks when Javon has to play the point.
So ??? :-[. Maybe Lorange can help but he has yet to prove he can handle MVC pressure. That then leaves Kiser, Gordon, Clay and Robinson. Situationally I could make a case for all of them to play some point minutes but lets focus particularly on Donovan (a high school guard with 3 more years to hone his point skills) and Nick who played a little backup point at St Joes. These two could provide an EVN point -forward look that might increase the value of the Fazekas return. I'm thinking 5 guard offense with shooting and dribble skills at every position. I'm not sure this would be an instant success but it might not increase our turnovers by much while increasing our 2 point shooting percentage?
I'm floating this just so you can sink it so fire away.
Quote from: justducky on January 08, 2020, 01:16:04 PM
After Carbondale
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lets talk about fresh starts and new ideas.
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As much as I love the hustle of both Sackey and Morgan,
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their play is not winning us games. There are also drawbacks
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when Javon
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has to play the point.
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??? :-[. Maybe Lorange
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can help but he has yet to prove he can handle MVC
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pressure
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. That then leaves Kiser,
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Gordon,
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Clay
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and Robinson
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. Situationally I could make a case for all of them to play some point minutes but lets focus particularly on Donovan
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(a high school guard with 3 more years to hone his point skills) and Nick
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who played a little backup point at St Joes. These two could provide an EVN
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point -forward look that might increase the value of the Fazekas
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return. I'm thinking 5
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guard offense with shooting and dribble skills at every position. I'm not sure this would be an instant success but it might not increase our turnovers
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by much while increasing our 2 point
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shooting percentage
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I'm floating
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this just so you can sink it
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so fire
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away.
I'm trying to picture what you are trying to say but I'm having a tough time.
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Wow! I'm impressed but that had to be a time consuming exercise. You need to get a life! ;)
Quote from: justducky on January 08, 2020, 07:50:00 PM
Wow! I'm impressed but that had to be a time consuming exercise. You need to get a life! ;)
About 5 minutes.
I also admit that a Premier League board that I'm a member of has a thread that you can only use pics to express yourself so I've had plenty of practice.
Quote from: justducky on January 08, 2020, 07:50:00 PM
Wow! I'm impressed but that had to be a time consuming exercise. You need to get a life! ;)
I went from :o >:( ??? ;D reading these last few pages of posts and that one brought me to ;D
This board needs to laugh :thumbsup:
That did it!
Here we are 10 full weeks into the season and 2 full weeks into the conference season, and we have played 4 of 15 D-1 games at the ARC (4 of 19 including Canada).
This is what scheduling incompetence looks like.
Quote from: wh on January 10, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
Here we are 10 full weeks into the season and 2 full weeks into the conference season, and we have played 4 of 15 D-1 games at the ARC (4 of 19 including Canada).
This is what scheduling incompetence looks like.
Let me put this in context -
No. of home games played-to-date by MVC teams, Horizon League teams and Belmont and Murray State:8 Bradley, UIC
7 Drake, N. Iowa, Loyola, Missouri St., SIU, Illinois State, Evansville, Wright State
6 YSU, CSU, NKU, Milwaukee, Detroit, Murray State, Belmont
5 Green Bay, Oakland
4 Valpo, Indiana State, IUPUI So, 19 of 22 Mid Major competitor programs in the Midwest have found a way to schedule more home games than our dear old Crusaders. Obviously, the old stand-by "no one wants to come to the ARC for fear of getting beat" excuse no longer applies, if it ever did. And, if it ever did, why wouldn't the same logic hold true for other winning programs on this list? Then, it was "it's hard to get good mids to come to the ARC." Apparently, its only hard for us. Then, MLB said "there's actually an advantage to our NET to schedule lower level mids." So, why didn't we? Instead, we paid 2 non-competitive non D-1's big paydays to come to the ARC - 1 for an exhibition and 1 for a "real" game, if you want to call it that. Why didn't we pay low level mids to come in here instead?
Our scheduling has been so inept for so long, it's become an accepted way of life. EVERYONE schedules better than Valpo does - everyone! Whoever has their fingerprints on this complete cluster fxxk needs to be thrown out on the street and get someone in here who knows what they're doing. Next year's goal should be 8 by this point, with anything less than 7 considered unacceptable. This fiasco is totally unfair to the players and totally unfair to the fans.
How can anyone argue with these facts?
Hard to want to go to a game when we don't bring in exciting games
My wife and I went to the Loyola game figuring it's the only one that will have some excitement
It's unfortunate
We really enjoyed going in the past... although with a 2 year old it's tough as well as driving over from Naperville
Wh,
While I agree with your point on principle it's not like these schools are getting high quality home games for the most part. Here's the non conference home slates for these schools Nets in Parenthesis I assigned a value of 354 one less than the worst D1 program for any Non D1 In the second table Non D1s will be omitted for a more accurate Division 1 NET avg since Non D1 games don't count anyway but this will also lower the number of home games for each team. Neutral site games have been omitted as have conference games as the schools have no control over who they play or when those dates fall as they are set by the conference and are guaranteed parts of the schedule anyway. At issue is Valpo's NON-CONFERENCE SCHEDULING anyway which is the part that they have greater control over :
All numbers come from here specifically using numbers from the HL MVC and OVC (Murray and Belmont) Just click on the conferences and the teams if you want to see their schedules Pay attention to WHERE the game is played because I'm looking at Non-Conference HOME GAMES primarily:
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/conferencenet
Here goes:
8:
Bradley: IUPUI(289) UIC (271) Norfolk State (286) Radford (146) NC A&T (283) Non D1 (354) Ga Southern (177) Toledo (130) AVG: NET AVG: 242
7:
UIC: Non-D1 (354) Ball State (119) Robert Morris (248) Mercer (273) Canisius (222) Purdue-Fort Wayne (260) UC-Irvine (120) NET AVG: 228.1[/size][/font]
Wright State: Non D1 (354) Kent St (82) Non D1 (354) WKU (136) ISUb (88) Southern (336) MVSU (353) AVG: Net AVG: 243.3
Drake: Kennesaw St (346) UMKC (270) Non D1 (354) Lehigh (281) Milwaukee (256) SEMO (333) Non D1 (354) Net AVG: 313.4
UNI: Old Dominion (155) CS-Bakersfield (263) No. Colorado (110) Tennessee Martin (305) Non-D1 (354) Non D1 (354) Marshall (183) Net AVG: 246.3
Loyola: UC-Davis (238) Coppin St (292) St Joseph's (223) IUPUI (289) Non D1 (354) Norfolk St (286) Davidson (107) Net Avg 255.6
ISUr: Belmont (113) UALR (163) UCF (106) Non D1 (354) Morehead St (287) NKU (179) UIC (271) Net Avg 210.4
6:
Missouri St.: UALR (163) Alabama St (345) Cleveland St (299) Murray St (170) MVSU (353) Arkansas St (211) Net Avg 256.8[/size][/font]
SIU: Non D1 (354) San Francisco (103) NC Central (306) Norfolk St (286) Hampton (328) SEMO (333) Net AVG 285 [/size][/font]
Evansville: Ball St (119) Non D1 (354) SMU (58) WIU (317) Miami (OH) (206) Murray St (170) Net Avg 204
YSU: Non D1 (354) NC Central (306) Non D1 (354) Robert Morris (248) SEMO (333) Binghamton (325) Net Avg: 320 (W Virginia (11) Neutral Site game played in Youngstown but not at Penguins usual home venue) It's semantics yes and if I counted it Their average is still 275.9
Milwaukee: Non D1 (354) W Michigan (227) Non D1 (354) UMKC (270) North Dakota (202) E Illinois (234) Net Avg: 273.5
Murray State: Southern (336) Non D1 (354) SIU (201) Mid Tenn (315) Kennesaw St (346) Non D1 (354) Net Avg 317.7
5:
CSU: Non D1 (354) FIU (169) Robert Morris (248) Toledo (130) DePaul (73) Net AVG: 194.8
NKU: Non D1 (354) Coppin St (292) Non D1 (354) Texas Southern (272) E Kentucky (322) Net Avg 318.8
Green Bay: Non D1 (354) CS-Northridge (255) Colgate(131) Evansville(231) Non-D1 (354) *Green Bay's schedule needed to be made an exception because only one non conference home game (Evansville) was actually played in their usual home the Resch Center Everything else was played in the Kress Events Center which I assume is a smaller venue Net Avg 265
Belmont: Samford (264) High Point (344) Lipscomb (276) Non D1 (354) Kennesaw St (346) Net Avg. 316.8
4:
Detroit: E Michigan (219) Toledo (130) Northeastern (137) SIUE (340) Net Avg 206.5[/size][/font]
IUPUI: Non D1 (354) Evansville (231) Non D1 (354) Purdue Fort Wayne (260)Net Avg 299.75[/size][/font]
ISUb: Non D1 (354) ND State (159) Tennessee St (216) Chicago St (352) 270.25
Valpo: Toledo (130) North Dakota (202) Non D1 (354) C Michigan (200) Net Avg 221.5
3:
Oakland Non D1 (354) Hartford (288) Fairfield(261) Net Avg 301 (Michigan St Neutral site game in DET would drop this to 228)
Conference Rankings (Home games only Neutral site not considered INCLUDES non-D1s :
HL:
CSU: 194.8
Detroit: 206.5
UIC: 228.1
Wright St 243.3
Green Bay: 265
Milwaukee: 273.5
IUPUI: 299.75
Oakland 301
NKU: 318.8
YSU: 320
HL Avg. 265.1
MVC:
Evansville: 204
ISUr: 210.4
Valpo 221.5
Bradley: 242
UNI:246.3
Loyola: 255.6
Missouri St 256.8
ISUb 270.25
SIU: 285
Drake: 313.4
MVC Avg. 250.5
Belmont: 316.8
Murray State: 317.7 (They were hurt badly by Middle Tennessee being uncharacteristically terrible this year)
Conclusion: When non-D1s are factored in the HL actually has some teams that schedule more ambitiously than MVC teams but the MVC schedules better in aggregate. This should hold true when Non-D1s are factored out which I will show in the next data set I will list each team with the number of home games and its net average for D1 home games Again neutral site games even in the same town (except for GB because they would only have one data point otherwise) are omitted. Valpo for its part actually scheduled quite well in relation to its peers when it comes to home games as their slate so far holds up as the fourth toughest. As conference play gets deeper that may decline but perhaps not significantly. You can say you want more but the quality problem is conference-wide not Valpo-specific. We ALL need to step it up. :
Schedules without Non D1s (Home games NET Avg.) :
MVC:
Evansville (5 174)
Valpo (3 177.3)
ISUr (6 186.5)
UNI: (5 203.2)
Bradley: ( 7 226)
Loyola (6 239.2)
ISUb: ( 3 242.3)
Missouri St. (6 256.8)
SIU (5 271.2)
Drake: (5 297.2)
Total D1 home games: 51 5.1 Per team
Net Avg of Home games: 227.37
HL:
Cleveland St ( 4 155)
Wright State (5 199)
Green Bay (3 205.7)
Detroit (4 206.5)
UIC (6 207)
Milwaukee (4 233.25)
IUPUI (2 245.5)
Oakland (2 274.5)
NKU (3 295.3)
YSU (4 303)
Total 37 D1 home games 3.7 per team
Net Avg of D1 Home games: 232.275
Murray+Belmont:
Murray: (4 299.5)
Belmont: (4 307.5)
Conclusion: We all grouse about non-D1 games but when you take them away you will see that most teams are within 1 D1 home game of Valpo. A total of 11 teams have 2-4 D1 home games this year which is exactly half of the teams under consideration. Valpo has an average number of home games for the data set and actually grades out well above average in overall quality. They are scheduling very much like an MVC team when looking for opponents. However of the teams that had 5+ home games only 2 of them (UIC and Wright State) were in the HL. it is worth noting however that BOTH SCHOOLS net AVG opponents were BELOW Valpo's and only Evansville and ISUr exceeded Valpo when Non-D1s were factored in. Without them, Valpo actually jumped ISUr in home schedule strength trailing only Evansville. When it comes to home games, Valpo is still scheduling more like an HL team. You can argue we need more home games but you can't argue against the quality of the home games unless you want to make that a conference wide issue which is fine. It is worth wondering why Evansville and ISUr were able to book Home and Home series with AAC teams and we have not done so in some time. Also it is worth noting that (I believe) Missouri State has a series with VCU that will have a home game for the Bears next year though that might be a one off and I might be mistaken.) I will have to do a deeper dive on MLB's theory of weaker teams higher NET but a cursory glance seems like that data is going to prove inconclusive. I will look at it in greater depth below using conference SOS rank based on home NET avg. and overall NET. This is not a perfect apples to apples comparison because I am comparing only home games to a number that encompasses all games played but it should give an idea as to whether MLB's claim holds water. I will use only D1 home games for this data set:
NET Rankings MVC (Conference Net Avg. rank for D1 Home games ONLY listed after NET number As well as conference rank in D1 home games):
1. UNI 48 4 T3
2. ISUb 88 7 T4
3. Bradley 90 5 1 T3
4. Loyola 126 6 T2
5. Missouri St 132 8 T2
6. Drake 141 10 T3
7. Valpo 166 2 T4
8. SIU 201 9 T3
9. ISUr 208 3 T2
10. Evansville 231 1 T3
HL:
1. Wright State 115 2 2
2. NKU 179 9 T3
3. Youngstown St 218 10 T3
4. Green Bay 228 3 T3
5. Oakland 233 8 T4
6. Milwaukee 256 6 T3
7. UIC 271 5 1
8. IUPUI 289 7 T4
9. Cleveland St 299 1
10. Detroit 308 4 T3
Clearly there is no correlation between strength or number of home games and NET performance. You have to win and win convincingly but strength of opponents matters a lot as well.But as shown by UNI especially you have to win and perform well against quality teams too. That West Virginia game would have meant so much and looked so good on that resume. But I digress. Look at Wright State. They're off to a blistering start undefeated in conference and 15-3 but because they lack quality wins (their two top 100 opponents Kent St and ISUb are two of their three losses and all three of their losses fall within their top 5 strongest opponents this year) so they are strongly lacking in overall resume. In fact they still rank two spots behind Belmont in a down year (113 vs 115). Despite this, I have no idea why more MVC teams didn't call them for games. It would have helped both parties.
I will say that scheduling does indeed appear to be quite challenging under the NET. Too many cupcakes and your metrics suffer too many losses and your metrics also suffer. UNI's loss to ISUr is an illustration of this. Their metrics tanked hard after just that one game. It is clear that this system is very hard and punishing on mids perhaps moreso than RPI. You have to walk the tight rope without much room for error. I would say that the NET is probably more skewed towards big conferences than RPI was which means there is less manipulation needed by the selection committee. Finding the balance will be very hard for mids. I do think part of the solution is to have mids band together and create and accept more series against each other in like for like home and home pairings pairings but this also is hard to nail down in any exact way a year out. Getting rid of the non-D1s for any kind of D1 opponent (either a team you can beat for your metrics or an impressive win) is a good idea. If you need that non D1 for a home game consider trying to take on a crappy D1 opponent in your region to boost your metrics. Otherwise take another buy game and give yourself another shot at a quality win. The point is Non-D1s should be gone from all schedules especially in the MVC. This will help the conference from top to bottom. Even a Q2 or Q3 win which some consider meaningless still means more than just throwing away a game on a Non-D1.
There doesn't appear to be much correlation between number of home games and NET performance either. It's all a timing game trying to get the right game for the right team in the right year which is incredibly hard. For example a couple of teams got burned by St Joseph's having an absolutely terrible year. On paper that's a terrific game to take but it cost Bradley dearly because they are one of the Hawks 3 wins so far (one of the others being UCONN LOL) and as mentioned before Murray State got burned by Middle Tennessee. UNI fans are lamenting how much and how quickly Marshall fell off and I'm sure they expected better out of Old Dominion too. In theory those are great series. By contrast for Valpo Central Michigan and North Dakota have looked like great pickups for our schedule so we lucked out there. As I said it's all about balance and timing and it's impossible to get it fully right.
There is something to be said for scheduling for how you think you'll do relative to your peers in conference as it appears that winning is a very important factor in overall metrics. As with RPI though you can't go the Barry Hinson or St Mary's (until recently) route and have a charmin soft SOS and expect any help when it comes to getting an at large. If that's your goal you have to pass some tough tests and earn it just the same. The NET is new complex and poorly understood. It will take a long time before we mids figure it out if we ever do. However, I rate MLB's theory of get a bunch of low majors at home and drub them as inconclusive in its truth and an incomplete understanding of how to navigate the NET. If he takes this strategy in his schedules going forward I fear that he will be focusing far too much on just one (important but not THE most important) aspect of the NET. You need plenty of opportunities for quality wins too and not just in your MTEs. We should consider more buy games in this environment and also we should eliminate non D1s which are an unnecessary waste of an opportunity for a resume enhancement. Even a small bump can make a big difference because as mids we're going to need all the help we can get in this system. I can tell.
I chose to focus solely on home games because that is the argument of this thread however the MVC is a great example of a league that could have it so much better if our teams had just notched a few more key wins and avoided a couple of land mines.
What would our metrics look like if we had finished against Arkansas and Cincinnati?
What if Evansville had beaten SMU and not gone through that swoon where they lost to two bad teams after that?
What if Missouri State had beaten Miami and Xavier and not lost to Little Rock?
What if Loyola had beaten Davidson and Colorado State and not lost to Coppin State?
What if Illinois State had beaten UCF and Cincinnati?
What if UNI had beaten West Virginia and Wichita State (I think they would have if they had played)? How much better would our conference look right now?
Also please understand that this data is EXTREMELY INCOMPLETE. Some of these conclusions may (and probably will) change slightly or significantly as we get deeper into conference play and toward the end of the season. This would be an interesting topic to revisit after selection Sunday (when we hopefully have multiple bids) and see if these conclusions held or how well they held with time and more data. As always with any analytical study more study and investigation are needed to reach definitive conclusions but I think this serves as a solid jumping off point at relatively the halfway point of the year. The main takeaway is this:
There is no correlation between Home games and NET
There is no correlation between SOS and NET unless you win (though taking on the challenge does appear to keep your metrics higher)
Buying a bunch of low majors and drubbing them is not the path to an at large but it is a strategy that can be effective in the right proportion when used in conjunction with other strategies in the right proportion.
There is no silver bullet strategy to cracking the NET and that is by design. it is going to take a variety of approaches blended skillfully and properly for mids to succeed.
While you can argue that Valpo doesn't schedule enough home games They are doing fine schedule wise relative to their peers. "Incompetent" is probably too strong a word to use, although there has been some luck involved in keeping the home strength high.
If we as a conference want to do better we need to keep recruiting well and make scheduling a top priority like it was in the mid 2000s when the MVC cracked the RPI code.
That said scheduling is indeed HARD. Finding the right games for the right teams in the right years is HARD and NOBODY gets it 100% right.
The difficulties can be eased--but not eliminated--if we as mids work together to ensure the teams we think will be our best get the support they need but this will require serious concerted collaboration across multiple conferences.
And even with the best laid plans and the best of intentions teams can still get burned (See St Joseph's Old Dominion Marshall and Middle Tennessee State as examples. Most would have cheered these games as good gets for any schedule but these teams have underachieved or are downright awful. By the same token other teams (North Dakota Central Michigan) have surprised somewhat.
Non-D1s need to be eliminated by any means necessary by any conference with any kind of multibid ambition. We don't have the luxury of making up those wasted opportunities in conference. By taking a non-D1 all you're doing is making all your other games that much more critical and voluntarily cutting your own throat by reducing your margin for error if you're pursuing an at large. UNI is an OUTLIER IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUCCEEDED SO FAR IN THEIR OPPORTUNITIES. DO NOT ASSUME THAT YOU CAN TAKE 2 NON D1S LIKE UNI DID AND SUCCEED. You have to be letter perfect in that scenario. You have to be nearly perfect as it is. Why make it harder on yourself for no discernible gain?
Given the difficulty HL teams seem to have getting home games maybe more games with MVC teams could be mutually beneficial? The HL needs to get better though unless they just want most of their teams to get bought by an MVC team to replace our Non-D1(s). But both conferences need to work more with their peer conferences if they want to be more successful when it comes to their metrics.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 04:15:41 AMWhile I agree with your point on principle it's not like these schools are getting high quality home games for the most part. Here's the non conference home slates for these schools Nets in Parenthesis I assigned a value of 354 one less than the worst D1 program for any Non D1 In the second table Non D1s will be omitted for a more accurate Division 1 NET avg since Non D1 games don't count anyway but this will also lower the number of home games for each team. Neutral site games have been omitted as have conference games as the schools have no control over who they play or when those dates fall as they are set by the conference and are guaranteed parts of the schedule anyway. At issue is Valpo's NON-CONFERENCE SCHEDULING anyway which is the part that they have greater control over :
Wow, very interesting analysis, but you are staying up either way too late or getting up very early!
Good information. Great work! :thumbsup:
Try not to burn yourself out! There are too few of us loyal posters to easily justify those kinds of efforts.
On the other hand I bet bbtds could have done it in 5 minutes. :)
Quote from: justducky on January 11, 2020, 09:21:11 AM
Good information. Great work! :thumbsup:
Try not to burn yourself out! There are too few of us loyal posters to easily justify those kinds of efforts.
On the other hand I bet bbtds could have done it in 5 minutes. :)
Oh no way. Analysis is not my game. Searching the internet for locations, pics and info on college basketball and Valpo/Indiana/Midwest/Chicago related stuff is where I try to shine. I do appreciate someone who puts a lot of time and effort into a personal passion and then reveals it to everyone here.
Quote from: FWalum on January 11, 2020, 08:36:46 AM
Wow, very interesting analysis, but you are staying up either way too late or getting up very early!
Why do people need to judge so harshly what others do with their own time?
With some of the comments made by Labarbera and Gore during interviews this fall and speaking with a person in the program we should see an effort for 5-6 non conference home games a year.
That being said they will not be quality.
The days of a Top A10 type team coming to the ARC on home and home are over until we earn it.
Quote from: FWalum on January 11, 2020, 08:36:46 AMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 04:15:41 AMWhile I agree with your point on principle it's not like these schools are getting high quality home games for the most part. Here's the non conference home slates for these schools Nets in Parenthesis I assigned a value of 354 one less than the worst D1 program for any Non D1 In the second table Non D1s will be omitted for a more accurate Division 1 NET avg since Non D1 games don't count anyway but this will also lower the number of home games for each team. Neutral site games have been omitted as have conference games as the schools have no control over who they play or when those dates fall as they are set by the conference and are guaranteed parts of the schedule anyway. At issue is Valpo's NON-CONFERENCE SCHEDULING anyway which is the part that they have greater control over :
Wow, very interesting analysis, but you are staying up either way too late or getting up very early!
This one took a long time as a lot of my deep numerical dives often do because there's a lot of data to compile and check and recheck for accuracy. I spent way more time on this post than I thought I would or even wanted to but by the time I was about halfway through I was already a couple hours at least into it and I was committed so I had to finish. I did end up staying up very late and I just woke up because of that. I'm just glad so many of you enjoyed reading that post and got something out of it. That makes the effort well worth it! :)
Quote from: bbtds on January 11, 2020, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: FWalum on January 11, 2020, 08:36:46 AM
Wow, very interesting analysis, but you are staying up either way too late or getting up very early!
Why do people need to judge so harshly what others do with their own time?
I hope that was supposed to be funny.
NET ranking for our OOC opponents
128 Toledo - H
48 Saint Louis - T
339 Southern Illinois - Edwardsville SIUE - T
205 North Dakota - H
279 Grand Canyon - Paradise Jam USVI
99 Nevada - Paradise Jam USVI
64 Cincinnati - Paradise Jam USVI
217 Eastern Michigan - T
191 Central Michigan - H
147 Charlotte - T
346 High Point - T
24 Arkansas - N (North Little Rock)
average: 172.08
Last Year's OOC ... THIS year's NET
119 Western Kentucky - N
207 Monmouth - N
105 Wake Forest - N
339 Southern Illinois - Edwardsville - H - Overtime
10 West Virginia - T
157 UNLV - T
200 UC Riverside - H
346 High Point - H
244 George Washington - T
117 Ball State - H
118 Texas A&M - T
Average: 178.36
Two Years ago... today's NET
339 Southern Illinois - Edwardsville - T
324 Southeastern Louisiana State - H
278 Samford - H
91 Kent State - N
333 North Carolina - Wilmington - N
78 Utah State - H (MVC-MWC Challenge)
34 Purdue - T
117 Ball State - T
138 Northwestern - T (Allstate Arena)
75 Santa Clara - T
200 UC Riverside - T
Average 182.45
Steady improvement. Let's hope it continues!
Pomeroy for Valpo non-conference SOS post-season except for this year
YTD - 147
Last year - 263
Previous year - 241
Matt's 1st year - 150
THAT's scheduling up. Matt's first year we loaded up because we expected to compete for the tournament this year you know we didn't. We really ARE embracing the challenge of the MVC move up and working to get up to their standards and I am sorry for feeling and saying otherwise. That's awesome!
Don't get me wrong I want to see it continue to improve and get better but we're making great progress and that deserves to be acknoweldged and celebrated. I think there is a chance we will soon have a team that can handle a series of really strong tests. Our narrow defeats to Cincinnati and Arkansas and the fact that we should hopefully have most of our key contributors back and working in some more talented players in our upcoming class tell me that. It was hard to take those losses and it was unfair to me to measure them against past failures that this team and even this coaching staff weren't necessarily responsible for. I need to view this team in relation and this staff in relation to where it was and stop comparing them so much against the Drews especially early in Matt's tenure. It was grossly unfair of me and I see that now. There is certainly improvement. We went from getting walloped by Purdue and Northwestern to narrowly losing to Cincinnati and Arkansas in just two years. As much as narrow losses suck that has to count for something. I have done a lot of poisoning the well with negativity and it has been wrong of me to do it. It's time for me to see this team and this coaching staff for what it is and that is not nearly as bad as I was projecting before. I need to figure out how to rein in my passion a bit and stop posting through the lens of intense emotion which I am VERY prone to doing. It can be hard to see sometimes and the progress might be slower and more methodical than we would like but it's there. It's happening and I hope it will become more readily apparent as the season progresses. I also hope that we are able to schedule a great non conference slate that gives us a chance for that coveted goal of a possible at large bid because there's a real chance if this team stays together we could be really dangerous and compete for the MVC next year. Javon Gordon Robinson Clay Krikke will all have another year. Sackey will have figured it out or Lorange will have bulked up enough to handle the point Villen and Mileek will have another year to show what they can do and our new kids will have get integrated and hopefully show their talent quickly. I want to see progress and I want to see it quickly but maybe I will get my wish very very soon. Go Valpo!
1314, liked your post, however, there is one thing that you should prepare yourself for: transfers. I forgot the exact math figures, but the bottom line is that, on average, 3-4 players from every team in the NCAA will transfer. If Valpo has two transfers (ones that hurt), it will be doing two better than the average, and we can't complain. But, the transfers will at first be painful.
My only point is that we, as fans, should be mentally/emotionally prepared for that.
I only point this out because of your pointing out what VU will have next year.
Quote from: 4throwfan on January 14, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
1314, liked your post, however, there is one thing that you should prepare yourself for: transfers. I forgot the exact math figures, but the bottom line is that, on average, 3-4 players from every team in the NCAA will transfer. If Valpo has two transfers (ones that hurt), it will be doing two better than the average, and we can't complain. But, the transfers will at first be painful.
My only point is that we, as fans, should be mentally/emotionally prepared for that.
I only point this out because of your pointing out what VU will have next year.
I understand the numbers, but I really doubt we'll see mass departures like last season. As usual, 5th year guys (Morgan, Gordon, Robinson) are the highest risk since they are basically "free agents" who can play immediately elsewhere. In any case, this team seems really well connected, unlike last season, so I think that will limit transfers. :twocents:
Quote from: 4throwfan on January 14, 2020, 08:56:21 AM1314, liked your post, however, there is one thing that you should prepare yourself for: transfers. I forgot the exact math figures, but the bottom line is that, on average, 3-4 players from every team in the NCAA will transfer. If Valpo has two transfers (ones that hurt), it will be doing two better than the average, and we can't complain. But, the transfers will at first be painful. My only point is that we, as fans, should be mentally/emotionally prepared for that. I only point this out because of your pointing out what VU will have next year.
I don't see anyone on the roster pouting this year. Team is more cohesive. Bench warmers know they should be bench warmers and will wait their turn.
None of the chaos or drama coming from team members as there was last year. I just don't see any transfers this year unless there is a catalyst of some kind creating some kind of major problem, not this team.
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 14, 2020, 09:14:15 AMQuote from: 4throwfan on January 14, 2020, 08:56:21 AM1314, liked your post, however, there is one thing that you should prepare yourself for: transfers. I forgot the exact math figures, but the bottom line is that, on average, 3-4 players from every team in the NCAA will transfer. If Valpo has two transfers (ones that hurt), it will be doing two better than the average, and we can't complain. But, the transfers will at first be painful. My only point is that we, as fans, should be mentally/emotionally prepared for that. I only point this out because of your pointing out what VU will have next year.
I don't see anyone on the roster pouting this year. Team is more cohesive. Bench warmers know they should be bench warmers and will wait their turn. None of the chaos or drama coming from team members as there was last year. I just don't see any transfers this year unless there is a catalyst of some kind creating some kind of major problem, not this team.
You are more optimistic than me. There may not be pouters and fighting inside the team, but I bet there are those that are unhappy with playing time, see they may not have an opportunity to play much next year and will look for another situation.
EFV - Not playing much to date, but shows a lot of upside in my opinion. Could look elsewhere if he doesn't think he is getting an opportunity
Lorange - Same as above
Morgan - Not seeing the floor too much. As a 5th year I could see him looking.
Gordon - He should be playing more than he is IMO. I bet he feels the same way. As a 5th year I could see him looking.
And there could be some surprises as well... Krikke could want to be more of a center piece. Not sure where McMillian is at in terms of graduating, but if he does early you never know. Robinson may want to move up.
Not to say they will or should. But there will be some transfers. Hopefully only 1 or 2 and as long as it's not JFL or Clay, I think we are fine.
Quote from: vuny98 on January 14, 2020, 10:53:45 AMQuote from: Just Sayin on January 14, 2020, 09:14:15 AMQuote from: 4throwfan on January 14, 2020, 08:56:21 AM1314, liked your post, however, there is one thing that you should prepare yourself for: transfers. I forgot the exact math figures, but the bottom line is that, on average, 3-4 players from every team in the NCAA will transfer. If Valpo has two transfers (ones that hurt), it will be doing two better than the average, and we can't complain. But, the transfers will at first be painful. My only point is that we, as fans, should be mentally/emotionally prepared for that. I only point this out because of your pointing out what VU will have next year.
I don't see anyone on the roster pouting this year. Team is more cohesive. Bench warmers know they should be bench warmers and will wait their turn. None of the chaos or drama coming from team members as there was last year. I just don't see any transfers this year unless there is a catalyst of some kind creating some kind of major problem, not this team.
You are more optimistic than me. There may not be pouters and fighting inside the team, but I bet there are those that are unhappy with playing time, see they may not have an opportunity to play much next year and will look for another situation. EFV - Not playing much to date, but shows a lot of upside in my opinion. Could look elsewhere if he doesn't think he is getting an opportunity Lorange - Same as above Morgan - Not seeing the floor too much. As a 5th year I could see him looking. Gordon - He should be playing more than he is IMO. I bet he feels the same way. As a 5th year I could see him looking. And there could be some surprises as well... Krikke could want to be more of a center piece. Not sure where McMillian is at in terms of graduating, but if he does early you never know. Robinson may want to move up. Not to say they will or should. But there will be some transfers. Hopefully only 1 or 2 and as long as it's not JFL or Clay, I think we are fine.
I'm typically pessimistic and don't put my neck out too far on the
kock-eyed ( kock: to get past censor. geesh) optimistic side. A pessimist is rarely disappointed. But EVG and Lorange are freshman and should expect some pine time. Don't see either one leaving. We've seen players in the past who left because they thought they should be playing more. (Who was that guy who tr. to SEMO cause he and his dad thought he wasn't playing enough?) And they didn't do much better on their new team. Some players transferring are a good thing, like most of the players last year. They didn't buy into the team approach to basketball and too often their attitudes sucked for the most part.
I don't see Morgan leaving. His shooting numbers and playing time are down significantly from his time at UNLV. Valpo this year: [2-12 FTs(16.7%), 5-14 2pt%(35.7%), 0-5 3pt%(0%)] And he wasn't happy there apparently. Where's he going to go with those numbers? He needs to realize that the grass in not greener on the other side and he needs to improve his value to the team, listen to the coaches and work on his game rather than get on the transfer merry-go-round. You take your demons with you wherever you go.
I think Eron is doing fine and he knows that he is valued on this team. I see him working hard to get even more minutes rather than thinking the grass will be greener on the other side. Heck, even JFL realized the value of staying at Valpo eventually after leaving for greener pastures.
Quote from: NotBryceDrew on January 14, 2020, 11:52:21 AMJFL didn't stay by choice from what I've heard. His grades didn't allow him to follow Dildy (who recruited him to Valpo) to Northwestern. That being said I'm extremely happy to have him and glad he has had tremendous success.
Source?
That's BS to post regardless of whether it's true. Some real low blow stuff there.
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 14, 2020, 11:24:30 AM
Quote from: vuny98 on January 14, 2020, 10:53:45 AMQuote from: Just Sayin on January 14, 2020, 09:14:15 AMQuote from: 4throwfan on January 14, 2020, 08:56:21 AM1314, liked your post, however, there is one thing that you should prepare yourself for: transfers. I forgot the exact math figures, but the bottom line is that, on average, 3-4 players from every team in the NCAA will transfer. If Valpo has two transfers (ones that hurt), it will be doing two better than the average, and we can't complain. But, the transfers will at first be painful. My only point is that we, as fans, should be mentally/emotionally prepared for that. I only point this out because of your pointing out what VU will have next year.
I don't see anyone on the roster pouting this year. Team is more cohesive. Bench warmers know they should be bench warmers and will wait their turn. None of the chaos or drama coming from team members as there was last year. I just don't see any transfers this year unless there is a catalyst of some kind creating some kind of major problem, not this team.
You are more optimistic than me. There may not be pouters and fighting inside the team, but I bet there are those that are unhappy with playing time, see they may not have an opportunity to play much next year and will look for another situation. EFV - Not playing much to date, but shows a lot of upside in my opinion. Could look elsewhere if he doesn't think he is getting an opportunity Lorange - Same as above Morgan - Not seeing the floor too much. As a 5th year I could see him looking. Gordon - He should be playing more than he is IMO. I bet he feels the same way. As a 5th year I could see him looking. And there could be some surprises as well... Krikke could want to be more of a center piece. Not sure where McMillian is at in terms of graduating, but if he does early you never know. Robinson may want to move up. Not to say they will or should. But there will be some transfers. Hopefully only 1 or 2 and as long as it's not JFL or Clay, I think we are fine.
I'm typically pessimistic and don't put my neck out too far on the kock-eyed ( kock: to get past censor. geesh) optimistic side. A pessimist is rarely disappointed. But EVG and Lorange are freshman and should expect some pine time. Don't see either one leaving. We've seen players in the past who left because they thought they should be playing more. (Who was that guy who tr. to SEMO cause he and his dad thought he wasn't playing enough?) And they didn't do much better on their new team. Some players transferring are a good thing, like most of the players last year. They didn't buy into the team approach to basketball and too often their attitudes sucked for the most part.
I don't see Morgan leaving. His shooting numbers and playing time are down significantly from his time at UNLV. Valpo this year: [2-12 FTs(16.7%), 5-14 2pt%(35.7%), 0-5 3pt%(0%)] And he wasn't happy there apparently. Where's he going to go with those numbers? He needs to realize that the grass in not greener on the other side and he needs to improve his value to the team, listen to the coaches and work on his game rather than get on the transfer merry-go-round. You take your demons with you wherever you go.
I think Eron is doing fine and he knows that he is valued on this team. I see him working hard to get even more minutes rather than thinking the grass will be greener on the other side. Heck, even JFL realized the value of staying at Valpo eventually after leaving for greener pastures.
I'd be shocked if VU loses less than 2. However, I think the thing that would help would be a lot of wins, especially in March. I would think that the players would sense that it could be even better next year if they stay. Let's hope that they get a lot of wins, and my "shocked" comment turns out to be unwarranted negativity.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 14, 2020, 12:03:19 PMThat's BS to post regardless of whether it's true. Some real low blow stuff there.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 14, 2020, 11:24:30 AMI think Eron is doing fine and he knows that he is valued on this team. I see him working hard to get even more minutes rather than thinking the grass will be greener on the other side.
Eron has only displayed transfer value as a spot up 3 point shooter where he has excelled. :thumbsup: He hasn't effectively penetrated or created or hit his 2 point attempts. :'( Worse yet he has only 8 assists with 19 turn overs. :'( :'( That is worse ratio than Smits and Sorolla combined for in 2018-19. This is the main reason I don't want to see him playing any at point guard. Without him making major improvements I don't see him leaving and if he returns to VU with an upgraded game then 20-21 could be eye popping. :o
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 14, 2020, 11:56:08 AM
Quote from: NotBryceDrew on January 14, 2020, 11:52:21 AMQuote removed by wh
Source?
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 14, 2020, 12:03:19 PM
That's BS to post regardless of whether it's true. Some real low blow stuff there.
I see that NotBryceDrew's original post has been deleted, either by him or maybe by the administrator. People say regrettable things from time to time (myself included). Hopefully, NBD thought better of what he said and pulled it.
Can't we wait until the end of the season to start trying to predict the exit(s)? Even the players themselves can't be sure of their own decisions yet...still way too much season left to play out.
I can see Siggy and Emil possibly transferring to get some more playing time. I think the rest of the team's transfers will be determined on how well we finish in the Valley. If we end up playing Thursday and don't end up in the finals, look out for an exodus. If we at least end up in the top 5 in the conference and win a game in the tournament, I think the players will have incentive to come back and finish it off next year.
I see Eron, Nick and Zion in lockstep with each other. If one of them transfers at least one more of them will follow leaving also. Regardless of what happens, next years' success is dependent on keeping Javon and Donavon on the team.
Quote from: govalpogo on January 14, 2020, 01:33:25 PM
Can't we wait until the end of the season to start trying to predict the exit(s)? Even the players themselves can't be sure of their own decisions yet...still way too much season left to play out.
I agree with this. If I were the coaching staff, I'd put together a presentation illustrating what happened to the 4 guys who left after last season. All have seen significant declines in playing time and have gone from key contributors at Valpo to bit players with their new teams. As others have stated, the grass isn't always greener.
As has been often stated the grass is brown on both sides of the fence....
Also, would suggest that if the NBD post was removed, then copying it in other posts should be removed/withdrawn.
It's not just how transfers affect us but also our conference opponents. I'd be willing to bet the B10 boys are circling for Krutwig. Bo Ryan would've made him an All American in his day.
Quote from: valpo84 on January 14, 2020, 02:19:02 PMAs has been often stated the grass is brown on both sides of the fence.... Also, would suggest that if the NBD post was removed, then copying it in other posts should be removed/withdrawn.
Perhaps the original poster removed it.
And why should it be removed by an administrator?
Quote from: valpo84 on January 14, 2020, 02:19:02 PM
As has been often stated the grass is brown on both sides of the fence....
Also, would suggest that if the NBD post was removed, then copying it in other posts should be removed/withdrawn.
Excellent idea. I removed his quote from my post.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 14, 2020, 02:43:05 PMIt's not just how transfers affect us but also our conference opponents. I'd be willing to bet the B10 boys are circling for Krutwig. Bo Ryan would've made him an All American in his day.
And what would be the incentive for Krutwig to leave? He went to the Final 4 as a Freshman for Christ's sake. He's probably going to get NBA looks regardless of where he plays even in this changed NBA because he can pass as well as score in the post. He's a bit more towards the throwback side of the spectrum when it comes to big men but his game could play in the modern game in the right system.
We were excited about the win over Toledo this year. Maybe we should have been more excited about the win over Central Michigan.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401172648
I'll be exited for wins in St. Louis.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 14, 2020, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 14, 2020, 02:43:05 PMIt's not just how transfers affect us but also our conference opponents. I'd be willing to bet the B10 boys are circling for Krutwig. Bo Ryan would've made him an All American in his day.
And what would be the incentive for Krutwig to leave? He went to the Final 4 as a Freshman for Christ's sake. He's probably going to get NBA looks regardless of where he plays even in this changed NBA because he can pass as well as score in the post. He's a bit more towards the throwback side of the spectrum when it comes to big men but his game could play in the modern game in the right system.
I haven't watched NBA basketball consistently since the days of the Detroit Pistons "bad boys" teams with Dumars and Thomas. So I'm certainly no expert, but since when does an undersized post player with no proven 3-pt range make it to the NBA?
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 14, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
I'll be exited for wins in St. Louis.
Why would they kick you out if Valpo wins in St. Louis ?
If guys like Brook Lopez Marc Gasol and Serge Ibaka can learn to shoot threes semi competently Krutwig can. Even Joel Embiid can hit corner threes. of course that's not a good comparison because of size but still. I'm not saying he should do it while in college but the most important thing you need to be able to do as a five man is be a willing and able passer in the post and be able to rebound. Size could be an issue but I didn't say he'd be a star or even get drafted just that i think he would get some looks and draw some attention from scouts.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 14, 2020, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 14, 2020, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 14, 2020, 02:43:05 PMIt's not just how transfers affect us but also our conference opponents. I'd be willing to bet the B10 boys are circling for Krutwig. Bo Ryan would've made him an All American in his day.
And what would be the incentive for Krutwig to leave? He went to the Final 4 as a Freshman for Christ's sake. He's probably going to get NBA looks regardless of where he plays even in this changed NBA because he can pass as well as score in the post. He's a bit more towards the throwback side of the spectrum when it comes to big men but his game could play in the modern game in the right system.
I haven't watched NBA basketball consistently since the days of the Detroit Pistons "bad boys" teams with Dumars and Thomas. So I'm certainly no expert, but since when does an undersized post player with no proven 3-pt range make it to the NBA?
Krutwig 6'9"
Charles Barkley, Post player who occasionally played center. 6'6".
Point taken but different era to be fair.
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 14, 2020, 08:44:38 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 14, 2020, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 14, 2020, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 14, 2020, 02:43:05 PMIt's not just how transfers affect us but also our conference opponents. I'd be willing to bet the B10 boys are circling for Krutwig. Bo Ryan would've made him an All American in his day.
And what would be the incentive for Krutwig to leave? He went to the Final 4 as a Freshman for Christ's sake. He's probably going to get NBA looks regardless of where he plays even in this changed NBA because he can pass as well as score in the post. He's a bit more towards the throwback side of the spectrum when it comes to big men but his game could play in the modern game in the right system.
I haven't watched NBA basketball consistently since the days of the Detroit Pistons "bad boys" teams with Dumars and Thomas. So I'm certainly no expert, but since when does an undersized post player with no proven 3-pt range make it to the NBA?
Krutwig 6'9"
Charles Barkley, Post player who occasionally played center. 6'6".
Decades ago....
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 15, 2020, 01:44:12 AMQuote from: Just Sayin on January 14, 2020, 08:44:38 PMQuote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 14, 2020, 08:28:04 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on January 14, 2020, 05:30:57 PMQuote from: NativeCheesehead on January 14, 2020, 02:43:05 PMIt's not just how transfers affect us but also our conference opponents. I'd be willing to bet the B10 boys are circling for Krutwig. Bo Ryan would've made him an All American in his day.
And what would be the incentive for Krutwig to leave? He went to the Final 4 as a Freshman for Christ's sake. He's probably going to get NBA looks regardless of where he plays even in this changed NBA because he can pass as well as score in the post. He's a bit more towards the throwback side of the spectrum when it comes to big men but his game could play in the modern game in the right system.
I haven't watched NBA basketball consistently since the days of the Detroit Pistons "bad boys" teams with Dumars and Thomas. So I'm certainly no expert, but since when does an undersized post player with no proven 3-pt range make it to the NBA?
Krutwig 6'9" Charles Barkley, Post player who occasionally played center. 6'6".
Decades ago....
Since Barkley.
Well, if we win in St. Louis,
I'll likely end the night kicked out of somewhere. So the comment stands. :thumbsup:
Krutwig is no Charles Barkley. To understand what Barkley was coming out of college catch the documentary that shows up on NBA TV from time to time about the 1984 Draft Class. It's very instructive on what the NBA was like in the 1980s-early 1990s versus the whatever unwatchable product the NBA is today. Not to go too far on a tangent, but because Krutwig is a 4-year player, and has a good skillset, he looks better in contrast to many players who are younger, less experienced, haven't developed yet. There are many things to fix about NBA and NCAA, but 1984 NCAA hoops was a completely different game when you had an UNC team of Jordan, Daugherty, Doherty, Kenny Smith and Sam Perkins on the court (with Buzz Peterson, Cecil Exum (yes that Exum family) and Joe Wolf on the bench), many in their 3d or 4th years. The National Champion team was Patrick Ewing (senior), Reggie Williams and David Wingate. Houston was Phi Slama Jamma with Akeem. Virginia had Olden Polynice and Rick Carlisle. Even Kentucky had twin towers in Sam Bowie and "Dinner Bell" Melvin Turpin. The Region's own Dan Dakich was one of only 2 people to hold Jordan under 20 in the NCAA tourney game (Dean Smith was the other).
Krutwig will have a fine career in Europe. He is a good post player in the MVC. He actually is comparable to KVW.
Barring injury, Krutwig will play in the NBA.
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 15, 2020, 04:18:24 PM
Barring injury, Krutwig will play in the NBA.
Convince us?
Quote from: valpo84 on January 15, 2020, 01:30:05 PMKrutwig will have a fine career in Europe. He is a good post player in the MVC. He actually is comparable to KVW.
The freshman Krutwig was more mobile, more versatile, and almost as knowledgeable as the senior KVW. His maturity was shocking!
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 15, 2020, 04:18:24 PMBarring injury, Krutwig will play in the NBA.
Yes. He will receive some long looks. First round? ??? but pretty close.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 15, 2020, 04:35:53 PMQuote from: Just Sayin on January 15, 2020, 04:18:24 PMBarring injury, Krutwig will play in the NBA.
Convince us?
All players with significant minutes (For single seasons; from 2016-17 to 2019-20; requiring Minutes Played Per Game >= 25 and Games >= 15; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating the last three years) puts Cameron:
PER 37 Bagley 33; Grant Williams 32;
BPM 21 Trae Young 19; Bagley 29
OffRtg 68 Teske 71; Morant 62
DefRtg 13 Happ 10; Zion W. Duke 16
He will play in Europe. I don't see the NBA happening for him. He is a thicker KVW.
Quote from: valpotx on January 15, 2020, 05:02:10 PMHe will play in Europe. I don't see the NBA happening for him. He is a thicker KVW.
Time will tell. If he keeps those numbers in that range or better the rest of this year and improved numbers next year, why wouldn't he go to the NBA?
With a few 3s dropping Sackey is now up to 27.9 %, McMillan to 28.3%, and Krikke to 31.6%. If Daniel could get to a consistent 30% I would declare victory but McMillan and Krikke should be closer to 35%. Longer term no reason Ben couldn't get to the high 30's. I like his form.
JFL now with 59 assists vs 42 TO's for a 1.40 ratio. That isn't great for a point guard but more than ok for a 2 guard. Nick, John, Zion, Daniel and Donovan are all in that 1.55 to 1.35 general area and they have brought our team numbers up substantially. By contrast AJ Green sits at 1.06 which suggests either flawed passing or a shoot first mentality. JFL is the only Valley player with more steals than fouls and has very little company with more steals (45) than TO's (42).
Quote from: justducky on January 16, 2020, 04:36:47 PMWith a few 3s dropping Sackey is now up to 27.9 %, McMillan to 28.3%, and Krikke to 31.6%. If Daniel could get to a consistent 30% I would declare victory but McMillan and Krikke should be closer to 35%. Longer term no reason Ben couldn't get to the high 30's. I like his form. JFL now with 59 assists vs 42 TO's for a 1.40 ratio. That isn't great for a point guard but more than ok for a 2 guard. Nick, John, Zion, Daniel and Donovan are all in that 1.55 to 1.35 general area and they have brought our team numbers up substantially. By contrast AJ Green sits at 1.06 which suggests either flawed passing or a shoot first mentality. JFL is the only Valley player with more steals than fouls and has very little company with more steals (45) than TO's (42).
Agreed on the shooters especially Daniel and Ben. As for Green,I think Green is very much a shoot first player. UNI counts on him to take over and his ability to do so is key to their success. I am amazed that JFL's A\TO is higher than Green's. Just another feather in his cap to underscore how special he is. Again he is the better all around player than Green and would get my vote in an even up player of the year competition.
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 15, 2020, 04:59:53 PMQuote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 15, 2020, 04:35:53 PMQuote from: Just Sayin on January 15, 2020, 04:18:24 PMBarring injury, Krutwig will play in the NBA.
Convince us?
All players with significant minutes (For single seasons; from 2016-17 to 2019-20; requiring Minutes Played Per Game >= 25 and Games >= 15; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating the last three years) puts Cameron: PER 37 Bagley 33; Grant Williams 32; BPM 21 Trae Young 19; Bagley 29 OffRtg 68 Teske 71; Morant 62 DefRtg 13 Happ 10; Zion W. Duke 16
To be fair, with the exception of Morant (who should have been playing against MVC competition anyway) those comps are doing it against MUCH BETTER COMPETITION than we face in the MVC. As great a league as it is, it can't hold a candle to the ACC Big 10 or Big XII
We'll just have to wait and see whether Krutwig makes the NBA. A lot can happen from now to the end of next year. All of this is merely speculation at this point.
No way Krutwig plays in the NBA. The NBA is played at the 3 point line and above the rim. He has neither of those. Just not athletic enough. Great college player though.
^
Krutwig reminds me somewhat to Matt Howard at Butler. Matt was 6'8" 230# and a much better athlete. A GREAT player and didn't make it in the NBA. Neither will Krutwig.
Quote from: vu72 on January 17, 2020, 10:03:55 AM
Krutwig reminds me somewhat to Matt Howard at Butler. Matt was 6'8" 230# and a much better athlete. A GREAT player and didn't make it in the NBA. Neither will Krutwig.
To be fair, Howard was actually more like 6'6, but Howard by his senior year could shoot from the outside and he didn't even get a combine invite.
Alec Peters did though ;D
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 14, 2020, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: 4throwfan on January 14, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
1314, liked your post, however, there is one thing that you should prepare yourself for: transfers. I forgot the exact math figures, but the bottom line is that, on average, 3-4 players from every team in the NCAA will transfer. If Valpo has two transfers (ones that hurt), it will be doing two better than the average, and we can't complain. But, the transfers will at first be painful.
My only point is that we, as fans, should be mentally/emotionally prepared for that.
I only point this out because of your pointing out what VU will have next year.
I understand the numbers, but I really doubt we'll see mass departures like last season. As usual, 5th year guys (Morgan, Gordon, Robinson) are the highest risk since they are basically "free agents" who can play immediately elsewhere. In any case, this team seems really well connected, unlike last season, so I think that will limit transfers. :twocents:
Just like this Valpo MBB team has a lot of potential for quality there is also a lot of potential for off season transfers.
Quote from: valpotx on January 15, 2020, 05:02:10 PM
He will play in Europe. I don't see the NBA happening for him. He is a thicker KVW.
Switching back and forth between NFL playoff and Loyola/Illinois St. game, I've changed my mind about Krutwig. While he has some great stats, he just doesn't pass the eye test.
He's not NBA ready yet. I doubt he will ever be.
Just bought 3 tickets for the upcoming Loyola game, and felt fortunate to get them. There were no tickets available in Sect 102 (chairbacks behind the Valpo bench) and only 7 available in Sect 202 (upper level bleachers). Most sections around the court are completely sold out. Based on a quick look at their online seating chart, I would guess they are within 50 or so of a complete sellout.
Awwww yeahhhh....
https://twitter.com/BrandonWood30/status/1227317315953397762
Erik Buggs weighs in on the Freshman class at Valpo. I have to agree with him here. They look very promising and if they keep it up we will be a dangerous team.
https://twitter.com/CoachEBuggs/status/1227952126095175680
If and when Javon Freeman-Liberty breaks the single season steals record are they going to have a ceremony commemorating that where he gets a ball? Maybe have Lubos come and attend if possible to present him that ball and have a photo op? From a former Valpo legend to a future one? Would be a super cool moment I think. We should try to make it happen! Where is Lubos and what is he doing these days?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 15, 2020, 11:36:10 PMIf and when Javon Freeman-Liberty breaks the single season steals record are they going to have a ceremony commemorating that where he gets a ball? Maybe have Lubos come and attend if possible to present him that ball and have a photo op? From a former Valpo legend to a future one? Would be a super cool moment I think. We should try to make it happen! Where is Lubos and what is he doing these days?
I doubt that Drake would let us do that on their home floor, but it would be nice. I'm assuming he will break the record in the next game and not wait until he comes home. ::)
Right but even if he breaks it @Drake Can't we just wait and have it before the Bradley game when we get home? Why not do that? Plus it gives Lubos time to get over here for the ceremony if he's living abroad. It's perfect!
Let him steal it!!!
Give some love and props to Javon Freeman-Liberty for winning the MVC Player of the Week for the THIRD time this season! Congratulations Javon! Well done and well deserved! He willed us to that victory over Illinois State this weekend with a truly amazing and scintillating performance. That second half was one for the ages!
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1229511080944242688
Thought it would be interesting to listen to Matt on the coach's teleconference this week after the comeback. https://soundcloud.com/mvcsports/matt-lottich-180118273 (https://soundcloud.com/mvcsports/matt-lottich-180118273)
So we are now 14-14 and as part of that record we have had 10 games decided by 4 points or less, with 4 games in over-time. Interestingly enough, we have won 5 of the ten and lost 5 of the 10. We have won 2 in O/T and lost 2 in O/T. Thus the 14-14 record. Same in Valley play. 6 games were decided by 3 point or less with us winning 3 and losing 3. So if we had won all six we would be 10-5 and perhaps in 2nd place and if we had lost all six we would be 4-11 and probably in last place.
It is a tense situation when play is that close. 14-14 seems about right.
I always thought the team would wind up right around .500. Imagine if they could figure out a way to stop digging themselves into nearly impossible holes....
The good news is Mo St lost last night and I'd say a good chance UNI drops Indiana State tonight, which would still put us tied with both of those teams and we play both down the stretch. The bad news, no room for another loss if we hope to avoid Thursday.
Quote from: vuny98 on February 20, 2020, 10:34:30 AM
The good news is Mo St lost last night and I'd say a good chance UNI drops Indiana State tonight, which would still put us tied with both of those teams and we play both down the stretch. The bad news, no room for another loss if we hope to avoid Thursday.
While I of course would rather avoid any issues and just win out, I think we avoid it with 2 wins. I like Mo State and Indiana State to lose 2 more, putting both at 10 losses. I think we win out at home and lose to Indiana State on the road.
Looks like the Alumni Association has resigned themselves to a Thursday trip as the Arch Madness Alumni and Friends Event in St Louis is going to be held on Thursday. Bad look IMO.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 20, 2020, 05:19:13 PM
Looks like the Alumni Association has resigned themselves to a Thursday trip as the Arch Madness Alumni and Friends Event in St Louis is going to be held on Thursday. Bad look IMO.
Is logic ever truly a bad look though?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 20, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 20, 2020, 05:19:13 PM
Looks like the Alumni Association has resigned themselves to a Thursday trip as the Arch Madness Alumni and Friends Event in St Louis is going to be held on Thursday. Bad look IMO.
Is logic ever truly a bad look though?
I really hate when the evidence of the time being proves you to be more correct than not... I hate that the defeatist attitude has seeped into the alumni administration and probably levels higher than that as well but I get it. We don't have a lot to go on to suggest otherwise. It just sends the wrong message in my opinion. I've been waiting for so long for my convictions to prove true that 1. This can be a multibid league on a yearly basis and 2. Valpo can be consistently competitive in this league across multiple sports. I'm seeing the seeds of both but the programs need to deliver.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 20, 2020, 07:34:52 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 20, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 20, 2020, 05:19:13 PM
Looks like the Alumni Association has resigned themselves to a Thursday trip as the Arch Madness Alumni and Friends Event in St Louis is going to be held on Thursday. Bad look IMO.
Is logic ever truly a bad look though?
I really hate when the evidence of the time being proves you to be more correct than not... I hate that the defeatist attitude has seeped into the alumni administration and probably levels higher than that as well but I get it. We don't have a lot to go on to suggest otherwise. It just sends the wrong message in my opinion. I've been waiting for so long for my convictions to prove true that 1. This can be a multibid league on a yearly basis and 2. Valpo can be consistently competitive in this league across multiple sports. I'm seeing the seeds of both but the programs need to deliver.
I suppose I look at it differently. Ppl are booking hotels and flights, you have to set these things in stone to get a turnout.
I travel for a living...if I don't have dates and tentative ETA I'm probably not fully committing in general. It has most to do with logistics of out of town travelers.
sycamores beat uni after pulling a drake... giving up 17 of a 20point lead. ouch
The great thing about this conference is that every team shows flashes of being the kind of team that can beat anyone and everyone they play against.
The frustrating thing about this conference is that every team shows FLASHES of being the kind of team that can beat anyone and everyone they play against.
Every team in the MVC (but especially Valpo since we are new and represent a downgrade from the team we replaced that we have not even come close to living up to) needs to work on finishing and maximizing opportunities if we're going to become a perennial multibid league again.
Quote from: talksalot on February 20, 2020, 08:03:18 PM
sycamores beat uni after pulling a drake... giving up 17 of a 20point lead. ouch
ISU led by 21 with just over 10:00 remaining ... UNI cut the lead to 1 on 3 different times 2 minutes. Very entertaining game.
This makes Lottich's case for an extension so much stronger. If the great Coach Jacobson of Cedar Falls can have awful halves like this what should we expect Lottich to do? Granted it's easier to stomach if you're a UNI fan because Jacboson has proven himself but still the similarities are palpable in this case. Slow starts Deep holes Losses. You have to start wondering about A.J. Green's POY case at this point don't you?
Quote from: vuny98 on February 20, 2020, 10:34:30 AMThe good news is Mo St lost last night and I'd say a good chance UNI drops Indiana State tonight, which would still put us tied with both of those teams and we play both down the stretch. The bad news, no room for another loss if we hope to avoid Thursday.
Nevermind...
Looking like for the third straight year we'll be a Thursday team in a one bid league. That sucks.
Should be an exciting finish to the MVC season.
3 games left
Top 4 teams are fighting for first place (two teams tied for first, two teams 1 game out)
4 teams fighting for 5th and 6th place to stay out of Thursday (1 game separation there as well)
And then there is Evansville and Illinois State.
Quote from: vuny98 on February 20, 2020, 08:34:01 PM
Quote from: vuny98 on February 20, 2020, 10:34:30 AMThe good news is Mo St lost last night and I'd say a good chance UNI drops Indiana State tonight, which would still put us tied with both of those teams and we play both down the stretch. The bad news, no room for another loss if we hope to avoid Thursday.
Nevermind...
Why can't we have nice things
I will admit, there is a sense of defeat and resignation that has settled in this week. I enjoyed Arch Madness when I went two years ago, but it's hard to justify the cost when there's less than a 2% chance Valpo plays on Saturday. Was going to be tough logistically for me anyway, but this makes the decision pretty easy. The even tougher part is seeing a path to the top of the conference. Assuming no impact transfers and at least one rotational contributor amongst the freshmen, we should (finally) avoid Thursday night in 2021. But then what? What's the next step?
Quote from: vok22 on February 21, 2020, 06:02:42 AM
Quote from: vuny98 on February 20, 2020, 08:34:01 PM
Quote from: vuny98 on February 20, 2020, 10:34:30 AMThe good news is Mo St lost last night and I'd say a good chance UNI drops Indiana State tonight, which would still put us tied with both of those teams and we play both down the stretch. The bad news, no room for another loss if we hope to avoid Thursday.
Nevermind...
π
Why can't we have nice things
I am proud of the effort most games with this team and I am still engaged despite some epic bad 10-minute runs (seems like we are down 15+ in most of our conference games). That being said it's clear that this team is not yet prepared to take that next "consistent" step needed to make a run in conference championship tournaments. So I am not overly upset by the fact that we are likely to play on Thursday. With the track record of this years team I am more than happy to see us win a Thursday night game and play a good game on Friday (W or L). We need to win "any" games in the tournament and stringing back-to-back wins in order to make it deep in the tournament was never a high likelihood.
To this point we have only strung back-to-back wins 2x: 3 Wins (@ SIUe, ND and Grand Canyon) and then 2 Wins (Southern Illinois and @ Illinois State).
This is a mark of a young and inconsistent team which we mostly are. Before we go off and hope for consecutive wins I would have liked to see us keep consecutive games where our biggest deficit was sub 10 points. Coincidentally, that also probably meant we would have had more consecutive win streaks!
What is it about the first 6-weeks of conference play that had us stay within single digits (+/-) with our opponents by halftime. It seems like either we didn't progress while the conference mates did, or we changed something up significantly in that time to where we are now regularly seeing 10-20 points swings by halftime . . . (7 of the last 9 have seen a drastic swing by halftime)
Quote@ Drake (Halftime -18 points)
Final Loss by 2 points
@ Illinois State (Halftime -17 points)
Final Win by 3 points
Southern Illinois (Halftime + 12 points)
Final Win by 17 points
@ Loyola (Halftime -4 points)
Final Loss by 2 points
UNI (Halftime -15 points)
Final Loss by 12 points
Illinois State (Halftime +6 points)
Final Win by 10 points
@ Bradley (Halftime -11 points)
Final Loss by 11 points
@ Evansville (halftime +13 points)
Final Win by 2 points
@ Missouri State (halftime -20 points)
Final Loss by 7 points
Indiana State (halftime -3 points)
Final Win by 9 points
@ UNI (halftime +6 points)
Final Loss by 10 points
Drake (halftime tied)
Final Win by 5 points
@ Southern Illinois (halftime -4 points)
Final Loss by 13 points
@ Evansville (halftime +5 points)
Final Win by 2 points
Loyola (halftime -7 points)
Final Loss by 3 points
I created my best attempt at a regression based on how 5 major CBB statistics (NET, PPG, Opponent PPG, and SOS) relate to Valpo final scores (negetives for losses and positives for wins). I only created it two games ago but in hindsight it predicted the winner of 24 of our 27 D1 games correctly (14 out of 15 in conference). It had us beating Illinois State by 2 and losing to Drake by 2. It has us beating Bradley by 1 and Missouri State by 3, while losing to Indiana State by 6. I would be very encouraged by that and that's what I am rolling with.
Quote from: vok22 on February 21, 2020, 08:44:07 AM
I created my best attempt at a regression based on how 5 major CBB statistics (NET, PPG, Opponent PPG, and SOS) relate to Valpo final scores (negetives for losses and positives for wins). I only created it two games ago but in hindsight it predicted the winner of 24 of our 27 D1 games correctly (14 out of 15 in conference). It had us beating Illinois State by 2 and losing to Drake by 2. It has us beating Bradley by 1 and Missouri State by 3, while losing to Indiana State by 6. I would be very encouraged by that and that's what I am rolling with.
That puts us at 9-9 in conference. Not sure whether that results in a Thursday game. However, at the beginning of the year, I think that many posters were asserting that getting to .500 was a good step in the right direction, since VU finished 7-11 last year, and 6-12 in the previous year. I agree that it is a step up from previous years in the conference. The debate could have been whether the first year was a sufficiently high starting point and whether the positive progression is good enough. If the progression continues, then next year we could reasonably expect 11-7.
I don't think that the first year record was good enough. However, I do recognize that the progression since then has been positive. I think that we should let that continue. Speaking for myself, I'm not going to clamor for wholesale changes, including a coaching change, or stop sitting in the 4th row at home games, until the trend reverses.
Don't know if any of you listen to the MVC coaches teleconference interviews at all. Here is a link to Matt's 2/24 interview after the Bradley win. https://soundcloud.com/mvcsports/matt-lottich-145721048 (https://soundcloud.com/mvcsports/matt-lottich-145721048)
Here is the link to the page that has all the other coaches interviews. http://mvc-sports.com/news/2020/2/25/mvc-mens-basketball-coaches-teleconference-feb-24-2020.aspx (http://mvc-sports.com/news/2020/2/25/mvc-mens-basketball-coaches-teleconference-feb-24-2020.aspx)
Quote from: 4throwfan on February 21, 2020, 09:18:09 AM
Quote from: vok22 on February 21, 2020, 08:44:07 AM
I created my best attempt at a regression based on how 5 major CBB statistics (NET, PPG, Opponent PPG, and SOS) relate to Valpo final scores (negetives for losses and positives for wins). I only created it two games ago but in hindsight it predicted the winner of 24 of our 27 D1 games correctly (14 out of 15 in conference). It had us beating Illinois State by 2 and losing to Drake by 2. It has us beating Bradley by 1 and Missouri State by 3, while losing to Indiana State by 6. I would be very encouraged by that and that's what I am rolling with.
That puts us at 9-9 in conference. Not sure whether that results in a Thursday game. However, at the beginning of the year, I think that many posters were asserting that getting to .500 was a good step in the right direction, since VU finished 7-11 last year, and 6-12 in the previous year. I agree that it is a step up from previous years in the conference. The debate could have been whether the first year was a sufficiently high starting point and whether the positive progression is good enough. If the progression continues, then next year we could reasonably expect 11-7.
I don't think that the first year record was good enough. However, I do recognize that the progression since then has been positive. I think that we should let that continue. Speaking for myself, I'm not going to clamor for wholesale changes, including a coaching change, or stop sitting in the 4th row at home games, until the trend reverses.
In the "what does success look like" page most everyone said that with all the defections and a young roster that a winning record overall and a 9-9 conference record would constitute a very successful season. Almost everyone thought that. It wasn't until during the season that people started setting unrealistic expectations for this group.
We still have a good shot at 9-9 and an overall winning record. I WILL TAKE IT. Plus, we are playing our best basketball the to end the season. Good job Matt!
Just some food for thought and yet another reason why every Valpo fan should love and appreciate JFL! He was the player of the week last week and may very well have had mono doing it... Absolutely incredible! This kid is a warrior! Get well soon Javon! Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
https://twitter.com/ToddIckow/status/1232518403149246464
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 25, 2020, 09:32:20 AMQuote from: 4throwfan on February 21, 2020, 09:18:09 AMQuote from: vok22 on February 21, 2020, 08:44:07 AMI created my best attempt at a regression based on how 5 major CBB statistics (NET, PPG, Opponent PPG, and SOS) relate to Valpo final scores (negetives for losses and positives for wins). I only created it two games ago but in hindsight it predicted the winner of 24 of our 27 D1 games correctly (14 out of 15 in conference). It had us beating Illinois State by 2 and losing to Drake by 2. It has us beating Bradley by 1 and Missouri State by 3, while losing to Indiana State by 6. I would be very encouraged by that and that's what I am rolling with.
That puts us at 9-9 in conference. Not sure whether that results in a Thursday game. However, at the beginning of the year, I think that many posters were asserting that getting to .500 was a good step in the right direction, since VU finished 7-11 last year, and 6-12 in the previous year. I agree that it is a step up from previous years in the conference. The debate could have been whether the first year was a sufficiently high starting point and whether the positive progression is good enough. If the progression continues, then next year we could reasonably expect 11-7. I don't think that the first year record was good enough. However, I do recognize that the progression since then has been positive. I think that we should let that continue. Speaking for myself, I'm not going to clamor for wholesale changes, including a coaching change, or stop sitting in the 4th row at home games, until the trend reverses.
In the "what does success look like" page most everyone said that with all the defections and a young roster that a winning record overall and a 9-9 conference record would constitute a very successful season. Almost everyone thought that. It wasn't until during the season that people started setting unrealistic expectations for this group. We still have a good shot at 9-9 and an overall winning record. I WILL TAKE IT. Plus, we are playing our best basketball the to end the season. Good job Matt!
But how about we get to 10-8 and avoid Thursday while also removing all doubt anyone could possibly have (even though I think that's already done) as to whether Matt deserves an extension? All he has to do is win this game and it pretty much takes away any leg those against extending Lottich have to stand on. Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 27, 2020, 02:00:21 AM
Just some food for thought and yet another reason why every Valpo fan should love and appreciate JFL! He was the player of the week last week and may very well have had mono doing it... Absolutely incredible! This kid is a warrior! Get well soon Javon! Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
https://twitter.com/ToddIckow/status/1232518403149246464
Mono would be an easy explanation for some of his recent play. Comments were made wishing we could get the December Javon back. His defense was getting a little spotty and his 3 point shooting had fallen off a cliff. Maybe he was just selectively applying his reduced energies as best he could. We may never know how much of this has been a late season sophomore slump vs mono but I will no longer worry about it.
Anybody heading down 41?
Could not imagine playing D1 basketball with mono and still being in MVC player of the year talks. That tells you just how special a player Javon is.
Quote from: justducky on February 27, 2020, 09:13:32 AMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on February 27, 2020, 02:00:21 AMJust some food for thought and yet another reason why every Valpo fan should love and appreciate JFL! He was the player of the week last week and may very well have had mono doing it... Absolutely incredible! This kid is a warrior! Get well soon Javon! Go Valpo! I BELIEVE! https://twitter.com/ToddIckow/status/1232518403149246464
Mono would be an easy explanation for some of his recent play. Comments were made wishing we could get the December Javon back. His defense was getting a little spotty and his 3 point shooting had fallen off a cliff. Maybe he was just selectively applying his reduced energies as best he could. We may never know how much of this has been a late season sophomore slump vs mono but I will no longer worry about it. Anybody heading down 41?
Got a ride with some other fans and gonna cheer my lungs out at the game.
Attention Luke Gore Mark LaBarbara Matt Lottich and All Others Concerned: READ THIS TWEET
https://twitter.com/FatherHarry1/status/1234100290493784064
Thank you.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 02, 2020, 06:09:20 AMAttention Luke Gore Mark LaBarbara Matt Lottich and All Others Concerned: READ THIS TWEET https://twitter.com/FatherHarry1/status/1234100290493784064 Thank you.
In their defense, we did get screwed over by Vandy and GW with last minute buy outs, but yes the sentiment remains.
Hard to argue with much of what Lottich says in this video. Pretty accurate thoughts about the team and the state of the program. Clay and Sackey have played well of late and Clay in particular is someone to really get excited about. Better days are ahead and learning to win on the road is the next step for our program. We still have a great opportunity this year in Arch Madness and Evansville is better than their record and in good capable stable hands now under Lickliter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwcm6V3boKE&feature=youtu.be
Love the backdrop. The renovations done on Hilltop are pretty cool. I like the historic feel and look.
I was there this summer watching a practice from the the door. Lottich came out to get some water and said I could go in and watch. Pretty cool.
Quote from: vuny98 on March 02, 2020, 08:16:18 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 02, 2020, 06:09:20 AMAttention Luke Gore Mark LaBarbara Matt Lottich and All Others Concerned: READ THIS TWEET https://twitter.com/FatherHarry1/status/1234100290493784064 Thank you.
In their defense, we did get screwed over by Vandy and GW with last minute buy outs, but yes the sentiment remains.
The non-con SOS for ISUb is 38 yielding a season long NET of 99 vs Bradley having non-con SOS of 297 and 111 NET. Not as much NET spread there as I would have imagined!
VU vs MSU on non-con SOS is 223 vs 219 yielding NETs of VU 135 and MSU 122. Those are much closer razor thin margins. Had GW (NET 197) and Vandy (NET 170) remained on the schedule they might or might not have made enough difference?
This morning we sit with a NET of 134. 68 to the NCAA, 64 to the NIT. We should be able to play in the CBI or CIT. Should we?
Same question for the Women and the WBI.
Of course this assumes we don't win the conference tourneys.
I'm not sure the men have much to gain by playing in a buy tourney. It's either another road trip or playing in an empty ARC. Those games can help when you're needing more team development, and I think most of the development this offseason will be individual (Krikke in the weight room, JFL and Clay continuing to improve their outside shot, etc.)
I do think the women would benefit from this, as it's been so long since that program has had a winning culture, but it's hard to see our department ponying up for them.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 04, 2020, 10:16:42 AMI'm not sure the men have much to gain by playing in a buy tourney. It's either another road trip or playing in an empty ARC. Those games can help when you're needing more team development, and I think most of the development this offseason will be individual (Krikke in the weight room, JFL and Clay continuing to improve their outside shot, etc.) I do think the women would benefit from this, as it's been so long since that program has had a winning culture, but it's hard to see our department ponying up for them.
We're a young team as Lottich likes to remind us. Experience of any kind benefits young teams. Plus the idea of going on the road and playing in hostile gyms whoever that may be is just what the doctor ordered. We have had trouble winning on the road. Playing more road games at the end of the year and hopefully winning them would be a great thing going into next season.
The University that's forcing out one of their more popular music professors because of budget issues is not paying for our team to go on the road. Probably worth a separate thread but that article in the Times today does not paint a good picture for our alma mater right now.
If they get invited and can afford it then absolutely they should play (assuming the team stays healthy this weekend) and get the game experience.
If they loose to Evansville pack it in...
If they beat Loyola absolutely keep the momentum going.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 04, 2020, 11:45:56 AMThe University that's forcing out one of their more popular music professors because of budget issues is not paying for our team to go on the road. Probably worth a separate thread but that article in the Times today does not paint a good picture for our alma mater right now.
Holy crap... Maybe we should just be happy with what we have while we have it... Sounds like we're F'd...
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 04, 2020, 02:14:37 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 04, 2020, 11:45:56 AMThe University that's forcing out one of their more popular music professors because of budget issues is not paying for our team to go on the road. Probably worth a separate thread but that article in the Times today does not paint a good picture for our alma mater right now.
Holy crap... Maybe we should just be happy with what we have while we have it... Sounds like we're F'd...
Yes, because MUSIC is where the future is at for a corn-cob growing fly over University. Come on guys! CLICK BAIT
But it's just everything... It's cuts cuts cuts... Cuts here cuts there cuts everywhere... Bad financial reports... Sounds like we're hemorrhaging cash...
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 04, 2020, 11:45:56 AM
The University that's forcing out one of their more popular music professors because of budget issues is not paying for our team to go on the road. Probably worth a separate thread but that article in the Times today does not paint a good picture for our alma mater right now.
Um, the article says he is now staying for another year due to a petition from students. I can see however why this would raise serious alarms as the jazz program is right up there in demand with Mechanical Engineering and Accounting. ::)
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on March 04, 2020, 02:23:51 PMYes, because MUSIC is where the future is at for a corn-cob growing fly over University.
Careful! The corn cobs grown in Northwest Indiana are extremely sensitive to both criticism and music. ;) You city boys just never learned how to properly interact with nature. :twocents: Fortunately the seed will not start leaving the bag for another 4 weeks and they are much more forgiving than the average VU basketball fan. Wait! Are you actually suggesting than by cultivating our BB program and providing for its every need then bumper harvests might follow?
What a novel idea! What ag school did you attend?
Quote from: justducky on March 04, 2020, 04:10:39 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on March 04, 2020, 02:23:51 PMYes, because MUSIC is where the future is at for a corn-cob growing fly over University.
Careful! The corn cobs grown in Northwest Indiana are extremely sensitive to both criticism and music. ;) You city boys just never learned how to properly interact with nature. :twocents: Fortunately the seed will not start leaving the bag for another 4 weeks and they are much more forgiving than the average VU basketball fan. Wait! Are you actually suggesting than by cultivating our BB program and providing for its every need then bumper harvests might follow?
What a novel idea! What ag school did you attend?
Yeah, I let my emotions take over my brain there for second.
My issue is with the people who throw up all these micro examples of changes happening at our university and proclaim the sky is falling. These type of actions were probably needed at the University for many years before now. And for all we know these changes have been happening before the advent of social media without fan fair. Just because all changes are published or on social media now doesn't make it any less well thought out and necessary for the university to flourish.
I'm not an apologist for the University because I frankly have no interest in lobbying one way or the other, they have jobs to do and they are in the midst of doing their job.
Another school with some recently well documented financial issues is considering postseason play to build their program forward... Not saying just saying...
https://twitter.com/happeninghoops/status/1235429846949511168
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 02, 2020, 09:16:10 PM
Love the backdrop. The renovations done on Hilltop are pretty cool. I like the historic feel and look.
I was there this summer watching a practice from the the door. Lottich came out to get some water and said I could go in and watch. Pretty cool.
But did he ask if you were coming back tomorrow and set a chair out for you and your cousin?
if This professor was so popular and important, then why would the professor be so low on the music department totem pole to get removed?
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 05, 2020, 06:25:29 AM
if This professor was so popular and important, then why would the professor be so low on the music department totem pole to get removed?
Jeffery C. Brown is an adjunct assistant professor of music, which means that he is not tenured. He has long been a well-respected leader of the VU jazz band and instructor of percussion. In addition, he has coordinated the well-regarded VU Jazz Fest, where local and national jazz musicians perform, and which many community members and future students get exposed to VU - some high school jazz bands typically perform at the Jazz Fest so many students have had that as an entry point to considering the university. In addition, it is important to remember that most VU students who participate in the ensembles are NOT majoring in music, yet the ability to do so may be one reason they chose VU over other universities.
So why consider cutting this position? I'm guessing that all departments across the university are looking at budget cuts, which is why men's soccer and tennis were cut. The music department probably had to consider cuts as well, and it is far more difficult to cut tenured faculty members.
Quote from: valpo95 on March 05, 2020, 08:44:33 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 05, 2020, 06:25:29 AM
if This professor was so popular and important, then why would the professor be so low on the music department totem pole to get removed?
Jeffery C. Brown is an adjunct assistant professor of music, which means that he is not tenured. He has long been a well-respected leader of the VU jazz band and instructor of percussion. In addition, he has coordinated the well-regarded VU Jazz Fest, where local and national jazz musicians perform, and which many community members and future students get exposed to VU - some high school jazz bands typically perform at the Jazz Fest so many students have had that as an entry point to considering the university. In addition, it is important to remember that most VU students who participate in the ensembles are NOT majoring in music, yet the ability to do so may be one reason they chose VU over other universities.
So why consider cutting this position? I'm guessing that all departments across the university are looking at budget cuts, which is why men's soccer and tennis were cut. The music department probably had to consider cuts as well, and it is far more difficult to cut tenured faculty members.
I'd appreciate some input from teachers or professors or those with experience on the subject of tenure. Is it a healthy environment in a democracy? Does it drive creativity and learning? What are the main PRO's and CON's for what tenure brings to the table?
On the surface it seems like a really effective way to ensure mediocre long term results and protect people from changing with the times. Sad to say this but every person gets bored with their job over time and their initiative and adaption of new thoughts/ideas/technology is impeded by the resultant malaise. Is tenure an example of academic practices that will be axed with the higher education financial changes forthcoming?
Regardless of what happens tonight or in the MVC tournament at large for Valpo now that they've clinched the ability to play in the postseason they should absolutely do so. If there's a team that the CBI\CIT tournaments were made for it's this one. A young team that could use more game and practice experience to grow together and hopefully learn to win on the road. Plus I think Kiser and Fazekas deserve some extra games anyway. Please do it Valpo. Please accept the bid if and when it is offered.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 10:51:41 AM
Regardless of what happens tonight or in the MVC tournament at large for Valpo now that they've clinched the ability to play in the postseason they should absolutely do so. If there's a team that the CBI\CIT tournaments were made for it's this one. A young team that could use more game and practice experience to grow together and hopefully learn to win on the road. Plus I think Kiser and Fazekas deserve some extra games anyway. Please do it Valpo. Please accept the bid if and when it is offered.
The best part of the ugly win over Evansville is that it assured a winning season. As for a CBI/CIT tournament: I don't think there is a chance even if the opportunity arises. The university would be very hesitant to commit, especially if the team needs to travel, due to funding and virus concerns. Accept the winning season record and focus on looking forward to next year.
The other question really is how banged up is the team. Do you risk further injury or pro long recovery? I also wouldn't be surprised if some of the lesser tournaments are cancelled due to virus concerns or are severely limited
David Ragland, former Valpo basketball assistant is going dancing with Utah state.
Allow me to post a bit of a recap of this season and my (probably way too positive) view of the future before it inevitably gets shattered by some sort of negative news.
Coming into the season I was thinking that this year we would be a middle of the pack team that had flashes of a lot of potential and a bright future. I was expecting to see really nice things from the newcomers, especially Clay, Krikke, Gordon, and Robinson. I was also expecting a much improved Javon after an impressive freshman season. I realize now that my expectations for the individuals were probably a little high, but that my expectations for the team were just about right. Despite these high expectations, I was not disappointing AT ALL. In fact, my positive outlook for the future of the program became brighter this weekend.
I'll start with Donovan Clay. Coming into the season, I was expecting him to have a really big impact on this team and be a potential second leading scorer behind Javon. Those are way too high of expectations for a freshman, and I know that now, but it certainly isn't because Clay proved it to be wrong. He has shown that despite having to grown into his newfound size, he is going to be tough to guard as he gets older, and if he can start knocking down threes, wow. Watch out.
Krikke, I was expecting a little more of from his outside shot, however, I was not expecting nearly as much from his inside game. He ends the season 33% from three. I think he will be more of an upper 30% 3pt shooter the next few years. He passed up a lot of open threes and needs to speed up his release. But he REALLY impressed my inside. He can score in the paint on people bigger than him. Hit contested baseline jumpers out of a post up. I really like his inside game. Would like to see a big of a rebounding increase, however.
I was expecting Gordon to get a little more time, but I got exactly what I wanted out of him, shooting. He shot 41% from three this year and I really expect him to be a big part of making up the missing of Fazekas from deep next year. Needs to finish layups a little better, but his outside shooting is gonna be big next year.
Robinson I can't say much on. I was thinking he would be somewhere around 10-11 ppg. I do not know how much of his underperformance was due to injury, but I think it was quite a bit. He sat out periodically with that back injury before finally calling it a season before the tournament, so it had to be pretty bad. I think he will achive the double digit mark next year.
Let me talk about javon now. At the beginning of the season he was a world beater, tailing off after conference started despite averaging great numbers. I am not sure when he got mono, but it had to be near the beginning or middle of conference season. There is no way somebody sits out TWO GAMES with mono. That is something that you sit out a month or two with. I am going to assume he played a healthy portion of the conference season with mono. That is increadible, and also why I think his 3pt shooting was down after we started conference. In the non con, he was mid 30s from deep before nosediving. I think we will see mid 30s next year for him and that is scary for the rest of the conference. Obviosuly not having mono will help with all aspects of his game, not just 3s, but thats what I wanted to focus on because I can't complain about much else with him and that is what we will be missing the most with Fazekas (and even kiser) leaving. I expect him to compete, if not win POY, next year with his combination of defense, passing, and scoring. Green cannot compete all around with a healthy Javon.
The incoming freshman class looks great. I am not going to put as high as expectations on them as i did Clay and Krikke, but I defintiley think they deserve it. I can't speak for the competition level of Ognacevic, but his numbers are ridiculous nontheless, as he is scoring from outside not JUST easy layups on smaller teams. We'll see how he turns out, but he certainly has a lot of upside. Edwards has been playing against D1 talent and putting up really good, all around, numbers. I think he could be a steal. I don't know much about his style of play, jsut watched a few highlight reels FWIW, but his numbers against good competition do not lie. I do not recall the name of that shooter from Loyola, but a shooter is just what we need and if that's his specialty, I like it. Nothing wrong with having somebody that is there to just make shots and stretch the floor.
As for Lottich, I see the culture of this program now. This was the vision he had and I see it now and I am so excited. Beating Loyola and Missouri State in do or die games and going on national television in one of the most recognized conference championships in the NCAA reminded me why we are in this league. I saw people all over Valpo that are not usually at the VU games rooting and buzzing about Valpo basketball. While they may not have won today, they reminded the city that they are here. I think consistent success will draw more excitement to this program than its had in a long time, and I think consistent success is arriving. The way JFL responded to Paul Orens question today cemented to me that the players we have are here to win, win here at Valpo. And not just the MVC, they are here to win in the tournament. I also saw that same excitement from recrutis. Sheldon Edwards posted a tweet exclaiming how excited for the game he was, and how they are going to do it a lot in the next few years. That is the culture that i haven't FELT the past few years. I do now. Current and future players want to bring Valpo to the national stage, and the players we have and are getting definitely look capable of doing that.
Unfortunately, I will not be able to see it in person the next few years. I was born and raised in Valpo, going to pretty much every VU basketball home game and watching every road game with my dad since I became interested in sports. After a very difficult decision between VU, Penn State, Purdue, and Oklahoma, I've decided to attend Penn State the next 4 years, though. Nothing against Valpo. I will be watching every game on ESPN+, that is for sure. They are far and away my favorite sports team and I am a huge sports fan. Penn State just had too many things Valpo couldn't offer that I feel were great fits for me. I do have a lot of friends going to Valpo from Valpo, though. They promised to bring the student section back to its glory days. I will be there for the home games when I am on break. I am very excioted for the future of this program and I think that Lottich has a vision and players are buying in and it includes a lot of winning.
Quote from: vok22 on March 08, 2020, 08:00:54 PMPenn State just had too many things Valpo couldn't offer that I feel were great fits for me.
Would be interested to know what those things might be? As an alum I can tell you that the personal nature and class sizes of a small school are hard to beat. It is great to see and talk to professors that I had, who are now in their late 70's and 80's, at games. An example of small class relationship building would be in 1995 when I was calling on a large company here in the Fort Wayne area and was a little surprised when they told me my appointment would have to be delayed, that they were expecting a visit from a politician. As I was getting ready to leave the lobby in walked Jill Long Thompson, whom I had had a class with at VU in her first year as a professor, she was now Bill Clinton's Under Secretary of Agriculture. Despite having an entourage of people with her she came over to me and started talking to me just like we had done in class, before long she was introducing me to her staff and then all the company big wigs. I was a little embarrassed while now part of the "tour" the company president asked me what I did for the Secretary and I honestly told him that I was just a former student of hers and while waiting for an appointment had seen her in the lobby! Needless to say I now had a pretty good "in" at that company.
Quote from: FWalum on March 09, 2020, 10:44:11 AM
Quote from: vok22 on March 08, 2020, 08:00:54 PMPenn State just had too many things Valpo couldn't offer that I feel were great fits for me.
Would be interested to know what those things might be? As an alum I can tell you that the personal nature and class sizes of a small school are hard to beat. It is great to see and talk to professors that I had, who are now in their late 70's and 80's, at games. An example of small class relationship building would be in 1995 when I was calling on a large company here in the Fort Wayne area and was a little surprised when they told me my appointment would have to be delayed, that they were expecting a visit from a politician. As I was getting ready to leave the lobby in walked Jill Long Thompson, whom I had had a class with at VU in her first year as a professor, she was now Bill Clinton's Under Secretary of Agriculture. Despite having an entourage of people with her she came over to me and started talking to me just like we had done in class, before long she was introducing me to her staff and then all the company big wigs. I was a little embarrassed while now part of the "tour" the company president asked me what I did for the Secretary and I honestly told him that I was just a former student of hers and while waiting for an appointment had seen her in the lobby! Needless to say I now had a pretty good "in" at that company.
Yea for sure, it was a very narrow decision, and for the first 2 and a half quarters of my senior year, I was pretty sure I was going to Valpo (even after visiting Penn States campus). Then I got my acceptance to Penn State and I remembered why I applied there. First and foremost, they have the exact major I am looking for. If it wasn't for this I would definitely be going to Valpo. I am (planning on) majoring in a combination of two fields that don't seem at face value like they would go together. At Valpo I would have to double major, whereas Penn State has a major specifically tailored to that combination, and are the only university to offer that combined major, for now. I also spoke to a few students at Valpo that are in one of those majors that have talked to the professors about doing adding on a few classes to make it work at Valpo, and they said that they weren't very forward thinking and that they want to focus on the basics of the field. To be fair, it is sort of an emerging field, but Penn State seems to be ahead of the curve in this. It also doesn't hurt that Penn State has the #1 Alumni Network and the most living alumni, and great jobs numbers in my field. I was able to talk directly to my Penn State professor and he expressed his enthusiasm for the field and told me all about his connections that are always calling asking him for his students from my major (there are only 11 people in this major, so I found that very intriguing). One thing about Valpo that I really liked was their Chicago connections, though. Finally, this wasn't that big of a deal to me personally, but it should be noted because it didn't look very good for the school. The Valpo college that I applied to sent me a personalized letter congratulating me on getting in and it was a disaster. It was typed up online, but had hand written notes on it. They hand wrote the wrong graduation year, and then instead of just printing out a new copy, they crossed out the last number in the year and wrote the correct one. There were also multiple types mistakes that they typed that they corrected by hand by using carrots and inserting the correct thing. Also, instead of just typing in the name of the school, they just drew in a carrot and hand wrote it in the middle of a sentence. It looked like a graded and corrected paper. Very strange. Not a big deal to me and had no impact on my decision, but my parents were not impressed at all by the sloppyness.
That letter needs to be forwarded to the department head and the head of admissions. Unless there was some level of humor attempted, that simply isn't acceptable.
Quote from: vok22 on March 09, 2020, 11:12:20 AMQuote from: FWalum on March 09, 2020, 10:44:11 AMQuote from: vok22 on March 08, 2020, 08:00:54 PMPenn State just had too many things Valpo couldn't offer that I feel were great fits for me.
Would be interested to know what those things might be? As an alum I can tell you that the personal nature and class sizes of a small school are hard to beat. It is great to see and talk to professors that I had, who are now in their late 70's and 80's, at games. An example of small class relationship building would be in 1995 when I was calling on a large company here in the Fort Wayne area and was a little surprised when they told me my appointment would have to be delayed, that they were expecting a visit from a politician. As I was getting ready to leave the lobby in walked Jill Long Thompson, whom I had had a class with at VU in her first year as a professor, she was now Bill Clinton's Under Secretary of Agriculture. Despite having an entourage of people with her she came over to me and started talking to me just like we had done in class, before long she was introducing me to her staff and then all the company big wigs. I was a little embarrassed while now part of the "tour" the company president asked me what I did for the Secretary and I honestly told him that I was just a former student of hers and while waiting for an appointment had seen her in the lobby! Needless to say I now had a pretty good "in" at that company.
Yea for sure, it was a very narrow decision, and for the first 2 and a half quarters of my senior year, I was pretty sure I was going to Valpo (even after visiting Penn States campus). Then I got my acceptance to Penn State and I remembered why I applied there. First and foremost, they have the exact major I am looking for. If it wasn't for this I would definitely be going to Valpo. I am (planning on) majoring in a combination of two fields that don't seem at face value like they would go together. At Valpo I would have to double major, whereas Penn State has a major specifically tailored to that combination, and are the only university to offer that combined major, for now. I also spoke to a few students at Valpo that are in one of those majors that have talked to the professors about doing adding on a few classes to make it work at Valpo, and they said that they weren't very forward thinking and that they want to focus on the basics of the field. To be fair, it is sort of an emerging field, but Penn State seems to be ahead of the curve in this. It also doesn't hurt that Penn State has the #1 Alumni Network and the most living alumni, and great jobs numbers in my field. I was able to talk directly to my Penn State professor and he expressed his enthusiasm for the field and told me all about his connections that are always calling asking him for his students from my major (there are only 11 people in this major, so I found that very intriguing). One thing about Valpo that I really liked was their Chicago connections, though. Finally, this wasn't that big of a deal to me personally, but it should be noted because it didn't look very good for the school. The Valpo college that I applied to sent me a personalized letter congratulating me on getting in and it was a disaster. It was typed up online, but had hand written notes on it. They hand wrote the wrong graduation year, and then instead of just printing out a new copy, they crossed out the last number in the year and wrote the correct one. There were also multiple types mistakes that they typed that they corrected by hand by using carrots and inserting the correct thing. Also, instead of just typing in the name of the school, they just drew in a carrot and hand wrote it in the middle of a sentence. It looked like a graded and corrected paper. Very strange. Not a big deal to me and had no impact on my decision, but my parents were not impressed at all by the sloppyness.
Oh my God. Whoever allowed for that to be sent out needs to be fired and replaced PRONTO. That is ridiculous.
My guess is it was an accident since I know several families where the student got a valpo acceptance letter and it didn't look like that. Unfortunate but not a reason to call for someone's head.
I am thankful that we have a fellow alumni that has taken the time to build and keep up this fan forum. If there is anything that us fans can do to contribute here and there (monetarily) please do not hesitate to ask. I know you added advertising to subsidize but never sure if that complete covers the cost. Either way, thank you for what you are doing for us fans.
In other news, I know that we have a good number of members that are retired and looking for projects! Each time I log onto the forum there is an outstanding and detailed home page (replete with pictures) that does a Top 10 count down of Horizon League arenas.
I think with this years success in the post-season and a strong season ahead of us that we ought to invest some of our "retired" hours ;) ;D ;) into updating this to reflect our MVC arenas. Either way, I know this is not my authority to ask but I know that some fans might volunteer their time for a worthy project like this. Could be fans that have attended games at these arenas (I have not myself yet). Just a thought. I am still eternally grateful to have a forum to post my thoughts and opinions and have fellow alumni share theirs. Thanks for all that you do!
first post-lurked from time to time
Looking at some of the threads/posts on here its unfathomable at some of the remarks
Starting at the very top-
I cannot believe the administration "doesn't care about athletics"
The school has multiple areas of concern-and all areas need to be addressed-I am assuming they have tried to provide Athletics with as many resources as possible considering the current economic climate
The Athletic Director ML has hired 2 basketball coaches for a much tougher league than we have ever seen.
Women's program seems to have improved dramatically -without question based on record and talent on the team
Men's program has taken a huge leap in only third year-with players that exemplify Valpo (good students/citizens/players)
So not sure how much more some posters expect from the A.D.-Seems to me he did a pretty good job finding what we needed.
Other sports seem to be doing as well as expected in a tougher league and with the unfortunate but necessary cuts to programs (M Soccer/M Tennis) I would think that helps the programs that remain in terms of facilities and resources.
As far as MBB -I think we are ahead of schedule-especially in comparison to the other programs in the MVC
How many have reached title game in 3rd year in conference?
Lottich played for a great coach at Stanford-coached under Bryce and has been around great basketball minds
Hopefully the naysayers in the past have come around after the tournament showing-and maybe they can show more support in all areas regarding Valpo Athletics
Go Valpo
Quote from: crusader05 on March 10, 2020, 07:02:18 AMMy guess is it was an accident since I know several families where the student got a valpo acceptance letter and it didn't look like that. Unfortunate but not a reason to call for someone's head.
Forwarding to a department head and/or admissions director isn't necessarily a call for someone's head. It is to alert those in charge of a situation which may need to be addressed which can include perhaps better quality control devices.
That letter, as evidenced by the fact that the tale was told on these boards, can go much further than the person who receives it and present the school in a really bad light. Rather than guess why it happened, if I were at a level within the university which could properly address said letter leaving the campus, I'd certainly want to know about it.
JD2,
I wasn't replying to you I was replying to the poster that indicated someone needed to be fired pronto. Alerting the admission office is fine and could be done.
Been thinking about this since mid-season. Who would you have rather had this season:
A healthy senior Smits or a freshman Krikke?
My pick would be Krikke.
Quote from: Chairback on March 10, 2020, 07:55:44 PM
Been thinking about this since mid-season. Who would you have rather had this season:
A heathy senior Smits or a freshman Krikke?
My pick would be Krikke.
Krikke times a million. I didn't care for Smits' game, he appeared to be a bit spoiled?
Is Krikke related to Don?
Krikke. Hardworking Plays both ends Shoots the three and rebounds. Basically everything Smits doesn't do.
Quote from: Just Sayin on March 10, 2020, 08:00:22 PM
Is Krikke related to Don?
No, he spells his last name
Criquihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Criqui
Also Criqui was born close to Canada in Buffalo but he is not from Edmonton.