Someone's gotta get a game thread started. Might as well be me. Hope there is a game preview video and official depth chart coming out tomorrow. The game is only a few days away — Thursday evening.
Half my wish is granted. But as of Sunday 4pm, no posting to the Valpo Athletics website.
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Quote from: VULB#62 on August 25, 2019, 04:08:41 PMHalf my wish is granted. But as of Sunday 4pm, no posting to the Valpo Athletics website. [tweet]1165695337878736896[/tweet]
Look on the schedule in the game notes. It's there.
Yep. My bad. I'm just use to the game notes being an attachment to the written game preview press release posted to the website, not as an tiny icon under the daily schedule crawler. I assume that press release preview will have the note attached there as well. ..... or not :)
My immediate, off the top of my head, instant, very first impression: Jeez! We are light across the defensive front four. I hope those guys have great technique and can protect our LBs.
Excellent way to start out the season , things I would like to see
Compete, come out of game healthy, Whoever is the QB to make good decisions, our defense to give up a reasonable amount of points.
Many fans know these games are great for the kids, not so great for the W/L records.
I wish Fox and the players the best of luck. This is a pivotal season for our program. Cecchini left positive momentum as a whole, let's hope Fox is what the University needs.
Go Crusaders
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 25, 2019, 05:46:14 PMMy immediate, off the top of my head, instant, very first impression: Jeez! We are light across the defensive front four. I hope those guys have great technique and can protect our LBs.
EKU goes essentially 300lbs across the OL with 3 TEs listed all bigger than Valpo's front 4 with the exception of Gedrys. Going to be tough to handle a rushing attack giving up 60-70 lbs even with great technique. It's just going to wear the DL down.
EKU game notes:
https://ekusports.com/documents/2019/8/25//2019_EKU_Game_Notes_Game_1_vs_Valparaiso_.pdf?id=11319 (https://ekusports.com/documents/2019/8/25//2019_EKU_Game_Notes_Game_1_vs_Valparaiso_.pdf?id=11319)
Not to mention their two 240+ lb runningbacks
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 25, 2019, 09:40:32 PMNot to mention their two 240+ lb runningbacks
Yikes. Didn't go beyond the lines.
To me, coming out of this game healthy is key. Seems to me there's one major injury out of these body bag games every year.
In this case, we need to find a more descriptive term than "body bag" for this game. Wait...... there is none :(
In contradiction to my avatar, i will only count our first half performance in my overall reactions. I hope we just stay within 30 at half time. If EKU throws a single pass they are nuts. They will chew us up 5 yds at a clip. If they ever want to fine tune their running game this will be the ideal game to do it.
Please, please no injuries.
EKU 52, Valparaiso 14. No injuries, maybe some flesh wounds.
The only hope is to keep them off the field. Grind it out, run out the clock. But I'll still be happy with a fist snap 80 yard TD! ;D
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 25, 2019, 05:46:14 PM
My immediate, off the top of my head, instant, very first impression: Jeez! We are light across the defensive front four. I hope those guys have great technique and can protect our LBs.
I hope there are a couple of typos! For example, I looked at the game notes from the final game last year and saw James Reed listed at 300#. This year he weighs 235# ? Unless he is suffering from a terrible disease, it doesn't make much sense. Also, it shows our starting RT weighing 205#. I remember the starting tackles on my high school team weighing more than that. Something is up!
Wow, Sports information and communication is really lacking here.
Byrd is 285-295 range, Reed did drop a lot of weight, he was sick in the spring. Byrd typo has been there for 1+ years now. Several players still listed at the wrong position
#3 Shannon DB-RB
#13 Mcnerney WR-P
#34 Bishop LB-DL
#43 Marinelli LB-DL
#53 Chilton DB-LB
#82 Conlin LB-TE
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 25, 2019, 10:07:09 PMIn this case, we need to find a more descriptive term than "body bag" for this game. Wait...... there is none :( In contradiction to my avatar, i will only count our first half performance in my overall reactions. I hope we just stay within 30 at half time. If EKU throws a single pass they are nuts. They will chew us up 5 yds at a clip. If they ever want to fine tune their running game this will be the ideal game to do it. Please, please no injuries.
IIRC Valpo lost a starting OLman and Nunes vs. these guys last time.
No that was Illinois State, played in the last EKU match up. True FR Tom Schofield lined up against 2nd RD Draft choice Noah Spence at tackle.
Sacred Heart ended up being the body bag game as we lost Koeneman, Bastin, Stokes, Kyle Jones, J Hammond for the season.
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 26, 2019, 01:45:56 PMNo that was Illinois State, played in the last EKU match up. True FR Tom Schofield lined up against 2nd RD Draft choice Noah Spence at tackle. Sacred Heart ended up being the body bag game as we lost Koeneman, Bastin, Stokes, Kyle Jones, J Hammond for the season.
Didn't Ryan Clarke get knocked out of both Sacred Heart games? I know in the game in Connecticut things got a bit "difficult" in the stands after he was cheap shotted by the same guy in both cases I think. Ironically that was Seewald's first appearance and he showed well.
Quote from: vu72 on August 26, 2019, 08:43:41 AMThis year he weighs 235# ? Unless he is suffering from a terrible disease, it doesn't make much sense
This is actually accurate.
This is so cool! SID got this right.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YU8ESQf6INM
Please use the proper thread. People discuss this all the time in other threads
FWIW NotBryceDrew I've never seen you on this side of the board therefore I did not know going off topic would upset you.
But side side note Duncan has been given the nod for EKU, also Jimmy not 100% and has confirmed it's his last year of football. Sad sad news
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 26, 2019, 08:27:20 PMThis is so cool! SID got this right. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YU8ESQf6INM
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 26, 2019, 09:13:09 PMBut side side note Duncan has been given the nod for EKU, also Jimmy not 100% and has confirmed it's his last year of football. Sad sad news
Tough for Jimmy particularly if he's not fully recovered after what amounts to 2 years of arm issues. Great opportunity for Duncan.
Quote from: JD24 on August 26, 2019, 09:33:37 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 26, 2019, 09:13:09 PMBut side side note Duncan has been given the nod for EKU, also Jimmy not 100% and has confirmed it's his last year of football. Sad sad news
Tough for Jimmy particularly if he's not fully recovered after what amounts to 2 years of arm issues. Great opportunity for Duncan.
To be honest, I always thought this was gonna be Jimmy's last year.
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 26, 2019, 09:13:09 PM
Duncan has been given the nod for EKU.....
I am SO hoping this staff knows better how to further Chris' development, decision making and helps him slow the game down for him. This is it for him.
.............. or have at least installed an offense that will make it easy for him to use his natural tools properly.
Seewald is a senior? Why would it not be his last year?
Jimmy has another year of eligibility. But two shoulder surgeries would be hard for anyone to come back from. What started out as an extremely promising career will most likely end up being one that could never get back off the ground due to injury. I am not sure whether the previous coaches made it worse by forcing him in games last year or if he was much more hurt than let on. I feel horrible for the kid, tough couple of years.
EKU Preview video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ORlIu10PooA&time_continue=716
Fox brings up an important point. Valpo has an immediate bye week after EKU giving them additional time (over fwo weeks) to lick wounds but also more time to learn from the experience and fine tune going into game #2 vs. CCSU.
At the end of course, the most important result is that Jimmy graduates with a degree and moves on.
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 26, 2019, 10:16:25 PMQuote from: JD24 on August 26, 2019, 09:33:37 PMQuote from: valpofb16 on August 26, 2019, 09:13:09 PMBut side side note Duncan has been given the nod for EKU, also Jimmy not 100% and has confirmed it's his last year of football. Sad sad news
Tough for Jimmy particularly if he's not fully recovered after what amounts to 2 years of arm issues. Great opportunity for Duncan.
To be honest, I always thought this was gonna be Jimmy's last year.
It's not the "last year" aspect of the comments on Seewald that I find tough. It's that he's apparently still not healthy.
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 27, 2019, 07:23:50 AMEKU Preview video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ORlIu10PooA&time_continue=716 Fox brings up an important point. Valpo has an immediate bye week after EKU giving them additional time (over fwo weeks) to lick wounds but also more time to learn from the experience and fine tune going into game #2 vs. CCSU.
I always wonder how much these complete mismatches help anyone in nearly any aspect of a game and this isn't simply a Valpo issue. I've seen teams which could pile up 200 yards on the ground against their level of competition put up 20-30 yards against a higher division team. Passing games get completely shut down because the Olmen are overmatched making the QB ineffective and the WRs non-factors. The way Coach Fox was describing the EKU game it was as if this game was interrupting fall camp.
I guess there are some tangential qualities which get raised on film in terms of technique or maybe a WR runs the wrong route or blocks the wrong guy or something equally egregious on defense but I have my doubts about what can get corrected before the next game no matter how long the team has.
From what i have heard on Jimmy situation is not great. He tore his labrum early in 2017 season. Played through season with torn labrum in shoulder, then had offseason surgery #1 missing spring. He then came back to fall camp but was not the same which was known throughout program. He was thrown into 4 games making throws on the shoulder and obviously practicing if he is playing. Had offseason surgery #2 shortly after 2018 season. Missed spring again. Is coming back this fall.
Am i the only one that sees an injury completely mismanaged?
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 27, 2019, 10:48:05 AMFrom what i have heard on Jimmy situation is not great. He tore his labrum early in 2017 season. Played through season with torn labrum in shoulder, then had offseason surgery #1 missing spring. He then came back to fall camp but was not the same which was known throughout program. He was thrown into 4 games making throws on the shoulder and obviously practicing if he is playing. Had offseason surgery #2 shortly after 2018 season. Missed spring again. Is coming back this fall. Am i the only one that sees an injury completely mismanaged?
My comments throughout the portion of the season that Seewald was playing last year would support your contention. This includes watching video in disbelief as the coach at the time would be saying that he's getting better when that would belie what was being seen in games.
The fact that his motion changed should have been enough to have the coaching staff shut things down with him in terms of playing in games. It may have also helped Duncan's development because I didn't think the shuffling of QBs in and out helped Seewald's shoulder or Duncan's confidence.
With all that said, I realize there typically is more to the story than is either being made public or appears on video.
That staff had three QBs with arm issues which I found unusual as this is not a pitching staff for a baseball team. One arm issue is unusual in football. Dalton Stokes and Connor Smith also had significant arm issues although I think Smith may have come to the team injured. Stokes situation was very similar to Seewald's including the deterioration of his throwing motion. Based on history I would be very hesitant to send my QB kid to work under that staff. Dave may get credit for Ryan Fitzpatrick but the injuries and treatment are red flags to me.
Seewald should just focus on getting his education and move on. It is not worth going through the pain.
1) Truth is that a labrum tear is very very difficult to come back from. For QBs, baseball players, VB players... this is the worst injury in terms of coming back with the same arm motion and effectiveness. Hard to create a list players who have actually pulled it off;
2) IMHO the issue lies with the Cech-era strength coach. Soft tissue, non-contact injuries can almost always be traced back to what's happening in the weight room. Seems like there shoulder issues with position players too. Parker Fox comes to mind. Was there an over abundance of pressing vs pulling? Was regular shoulder "pre-hab" work done by the QBs? Was overall training volume managed effectively? Was the program designed specifically for sports performance or was there a bodybuilding emphasis?
Seewald seems like a great kid and a loyal Crusader. Very sad things have turned out this way...
Quote from: NWIGuy on August 28, 2019, 01:16:29 PM1) Truth is that a labrum tear is very very difficult to come back from. For QBs, baseball players, VB players... this is the worst injury in terms of coming back with the same arm motion and effectiveness. Hard to create a list players who have actually pulled it off; 2) IMHO the issue lies with the Cech-era strength coach. Soft tissue, non-contact injuries can almost always be traced back to what's happening in the weight room. Seems like there shoulder issues with position players too. Parker Fox comes to mind. Was there an over abundance of pressing vs pulling? Was regular shoulder "pre-hab" work done by the QBs? Was overall training volume managed effectively? Was the program designed specifically for sports performance or was there a bodybuilding emphasis? Seewald seems like a great kid and a loyal Crusader. Very sad things have turned out this way...
From what I've seen and heard of labrum tears for those who's primary function is throwing an object is that there is a fair amount of "re-learning" the throwing motion in terms of muscle memory.
Hello Valpo ! I hope anyone that is coming to Richmond has a safe trip. Supposed to be a beautiful evening, with temps around 70 at game time. i will be glad to answer any question you may have about our team, EKU, the city or Richmond or surrounding area. Good luck tomorrow.
Welcome back. I have a question: based on previous game scenarios, when will the EKU staff most likely call off the dogs? ;)
Seriously, a high level, fan-based assessment of EKU's strengths and challenges would be nice.
I can not speak for the staff, but my opinion is that IF there is point they feel like the game is in hand, they will start pulling starters. We play Louisville next week and need everyone healthy. i will say that if that time does come, i believe they will NOT merely run the ball up he middle every time. I think they will go as deep into the roster as they can but still let them run the offence. This early in the season they will probably want to see how the younger guys execute against someone other than their own team. On a side note, I will say we feel this is the deepest and most talented team we have had in the last 12 years. Coach Elders third strait top 15 recruiting class. They have filled spots of immediate need with solid FBS and JUCO transfers. We had to play a lot of true Freshmen Coach Elders first two years and we now have a lot of seasoned upper classmen. Strengths should come from the O side of the ball. Very strong at QB Coner Blount will get the start. He started 6 games for Oregon St last year . The guy behind him is a RS Freshman that had to be pressed into action the last four games last year as a true freshman, He won all four games. The number three guy was the starter most of the games last year until the injury. The number 4 guys is a rs Junior that is a parade all american but has started games every year, has had some injuries but is healthy now. We are 4 or 5 deep at RB. with McCluskey being a small but tough runner. averaged 4.7 ypc lst year, Other number 1 or number 2 is Jason Lewis a huge 6-3 240 pound transfer from Arizona State and the #3 is another big 6-1 250 bruiser out of Columbus Ohio. He was runner up for Mr. football his senior year in HS. He played in 7 games a a true Freshman before he got injured, He played in the first four games last year averaging 4.5 ypc then decided to redshirt, He is back this year as a RS Sophomore, . The guy behind him is fbs transfer from Marshall. the O line will average around 6-2 or so and a shade over 300 pounds couple guys in the 6-4 and 6-5 range. Oline coach ( former EKU and Purdue head coach Danny Hope) says he has 9 guys that have started in D1 games and that any of the nine could be starters. WR is just as strong. Our leading WR from last year is #3 on the opening game depth chart. TEs are huge and d experienced. D line has had some injuries along the front but still anchored by pre season All American Aaron Patrick. Linebackers were all on the depth chart last year. Corners are All OVC picks. If there is a weak spot other than the young D line it may be at Safety. We are not very deep there and have had some injuries that will probably keep a couple guys out Thursday night. Well, there is it is, my best assessment of this years Colonels. I will say, colonel fans are VERY optimistic this year. :)
Thanks........ I think
Quote from: FGColonel on August 28, 2019, 08:04:16 PMI can not speak for the staff, but my opinion is that IF there is point they feel like the game is in hand, they will start pulling starters. We play Louisville next week and need everyone healthy. i will say that if that time does come, i believe they will NOT merely run the ball up he middle every time. I think they will go as deep into the roster as they can but still let them run the offence. This early in the season they will probably want to see how the younger guys execute against someone other than their own team. On a side note, I will say we feel this is the deepest and most talented team we have had in the last 12 years. Coach Elders third strait top 15 recruiting class. They have filled spots of immediate need with solid FBS and JUCO transfers. We had to play a lot of true Freshmen Coach Elders first two years and we now have a lot of seasoned upper classmen. Strengths should come from the O side of the ball. Very strong at QB Coner Blount will get the start. He started 6 games for Oregon St last year . The guy behind him is a RS Freshman that had to be pressed into action the last four games last year as a true freshman, He won all four games. The number three guy was the starter most of the games last year until the injury. The number 4 guys is a rs Junior that is a parade all american but has started games every year, has had some injuries but is healthy now. We are 4 or 5 deep at RB. with McCluskey being a small but tough runner. averaged 4.7 ypc lst year, Other number 1 or number 2 is Jason Lewis a huge 6-3 240 pound transfer from Arizona State and the #3 is another big 6-1 250 bruiser out of Columbus Ohio. He was runner up for Mr. football his senior year in HS. He played in 7 games a a true Freshman before he got injured, He played in the first four games last year averaging 4.5 ypc then decided to redshirt, He is back this year as a RS Sophomore, . The guy behind him is fbs transfer from Marshall. the O line will average around 6-2 or so and a shade over 300 pounds couple guys in the 6-4 and 6-5 range. Oline coach ( former EKU and Purdue head coach Danny Hope) says he has 9 guys that have started in D1 games and that any of the nine could be starters. WR is just as strong. Our leading WR from last year is #3 on the opening game depth chart. TEs are huge and d experienced. D line has had some injuries along the front but still anchored by pre season All American Aaron Patrick. Linebackers were all on the depth chart last year. Corners are All OVC picks. If there is a weak spot other than the young D line it may be at Safety. We are not very deep there and have had some injuries that will probably keep a couple guys out Thursday night. Well, there is it is, my best assessment of this years Colonels. I will say, colonel fans are VERY optimistic this year. :)
Excuse me while I step outside for a good cry. :'( :'(
Aha! We have EKU exactly where we want them. They will never know what hit them Thursday night. They will be overconfident and we will overwhelm those safeties over the top time and again. NOT!
Quote from: FGColonel on August 28, 2019, 08:04:16 PM
I can not speak for the staff, but my opinion is that IF there is point they feel like the game is in hand, they will start pulling starters. We play Louisville next week and need everyone healthy. i will say that if that time does come, i believe they will NOT merely run the ball up he middle every time. I think they will go as deep into the roster as they can but still let them run the offence. This early in the season they will probably want to see how the younger guys execute against someone other than their own team. On a side note, I will say we feel this is the deepest and most talented team we have had in the last 12 years. Coach Elders third strait top 15 recruiting class. They have filled spots of immediate need with solid FBS and JUCO transfers. We had to play a lot of true Freshmen Coach Elders first two years and we now have a lot of seasoned upper classmen. Strengths should come from the O side of the ball. Very strong at QB Coner Blount will get the start. He started 6 games for Oregon St last year . The guy behind him is a RS Freshman that had to be pressed into action the last four games last year as a true freshman, He won all four games. The number three guy was the starter most of the games last year until the injury. The number 4 guys is a rs Junior that is a parade all american but has started games every year, has had some injuries but is healthy now. We are 4 or 5 deep at RB. with McCluskey being a small but tough runner. averaged 4.7 ypc lst year, Other number 1 or number 2 is Jason Lewis a huge 6-3 240 pound transfer from Arizona State and the #3 is another big 6-1 250 bruiser out of Columbus Ohio. He was runner up for Mr. football his senior year in HS. He played in 7 games a a true Freshman before he got injured, He played in the first four games last year averaging 4.5 ypc then decided to redshirt, He is back this year as a RS Sophomore, . The guy behind him is fbs transfer from Marshall. the O line will average around 6-2 or so and a shade over 300 pounds couple guys in the 6-4 and 6-5 range. Oline coach ( former EKU and Purdue head coach Danny Hope) says he has 9 guys that have started in D1 games and that any of the nine could be starters. WR is just as strong. Our leading WR from last year is #3 on the opening game depth chart. TEs are huge and d experienced. D line has had some injuries along the front but still anchored by pre season All American Aaron Patrick. Linebackers were all on the depth chart last year. Corners are All OVC picks. If there is a weak spot other than the young D line it may be at Safety. We are not very deep there and have had some injuries that will probably keep a couple guys out Thursday night. Well, there is it is, my best assessment of this years Colonels. I will say, colonel fans are VERY optimistic this year. :)
Holy crap! With all that talent and experience, if you aren't playing in Frisco something is really wrong.
FR traveling
WR: Berkemeier, Holmes
TE: Conlin
DL: Bibler
LB: Chilton, Annis
DB: Allen
Jimmy will be in attendance but he will not play a snap
We think a breakout year for EKU. The one think that is concerning is injuries, Like all FCS schools you can have scattered injuries that you can overcome, but if they start racking up at the same position you can get in trouble and be derailed very quickly. Like last year , We started the season with 4 quality QBs. We lost Numbers one and two on two consecutive plays. both out for the balance of season. The next game number Three went down. Number four went early in practice the following during a non contract drill. With four games left we pulled our true Freshman that had been running the scout team and started him the last four games. Turns out he was everything and more than we expected when he was recruited. He won all four games and competed for the starting spot this year. He is now our number two as a Freshman. Just thankful for the new rule instituted last year that allows a player to participate in four games without giving up his red-shirt. We were lucky McKinney was up to the task. Any other season it would have devastated us.
We may have 3 injuries by the third play. That is our injury history. :-)
Actually, it's really sad. Football is a tough sport but other athletic depts seem to work through their injuries. Valpo, not so we'll.
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 29, 2019, 09:54:40 AM
FR traveling
WR: Berkemeier, Holmes
TE: Conlin
DL: Bibler
LB: Chilton, Annis
DB: Allen
Jimmy will be in attendance but he will not play a snap
Yikes we are only taking 9 on the OL.
EKU - 38
Valpo - 17
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Peifer wearing #3 read option to the house 7-0 EKU 13:12 1st
2 pt conversion 8-0 EKU 13:12 1st
Chris Duncan fumble, recovered for touchdown 15-0, 12:17 left in 1st
I'm too cheap to pay for ESPN+ but I'm seeing returns out to the 20 on these kick offs. Why not fair catch it and take it at the 25?
Michael Scarsella interception down to EKU redzone
Why didn't we open up with Union College like Morehead State did?
Outside zone touchdown EKU 22-0 14:53 2nd
Rushing touchdown EKU 10:48 2nd
It feels like that one commercial about the Tomcats being down 58-0 was inserted for Valpo fans only. Ouch!
Field goal EKU 32-0 4:01 2nd
Interception Matt Messler! Offense has been abysmal
The video announcer's statement that the Valpo offense is having a difficult night is one of the biggest understatements I have ever heard. The Valpo defense has actually made some very good plays.
Defense has given the offense the ball on the other side of the 50 three times , 2 interceptions, 1 4 and out.
2 missed field goals by Latsonas, A dropped punt by Koehler, Duncan has put the ball on the money exactly 0 times. Also dropped a fumble for a touchdown
Koehler bailed out Duncan on that throw. Put Mullen, Saylers, Ruszkowski, Nimz, anyone in. I'd take SOPH Ryan Clarke over this, he could accurately throw further than 7 yards.
Also has anyone else notice the pre play motion ball fake? The ball is still on the ground?
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 29, 2019, 07:42:46 PM
Defense has given the offense the ball on the other side of the 50 three times , 2 interceptions, 1 4 and out.
2 missed field goals by Latsonas, A dropped punt by Koehler, Duncan has put the ball on the money exactly 0 times. Also dropped a fumble for a touchdown
Koehler bailed out Duncan on that throw. Put Mullen, Saylers, Ruszkowski, Nimz, anyone in. I'd take SOPH Ryan Clarke over this, he could accurately throw further than 7 yards.
Also has anyone else notice the pre play motion ball fake? The ball is still on the ground?
It's time to give another QB a try. Why is another coach falling for Duncan. He must practice a lot better than he plays.
Chris Duncan 51 yd TD pass to Ollie Reese , 32-7 EKU 11:41 left 3rd.
Nice! Which Valpo fan brought the whistles and made the EKU defense quit on the Valpo TD?
Touchdown EKU 38-7 7:41 3rd
Third quarter score is 7-7. That is an accomplishment. The Colonels have subbed out their better rushers and corner containment men
You wonder if the Valpo offense will be able to push Boxrucker into the end zone.
Just tuned in at the end of Q3. Wow, are we small on D. Some of the camera angles make us out to be munchkins compared to the EKU front five.
Inside the EKU 50 eight times but only one score?
EKU seems to be ignoring Duncan on the run/read but it seems that it is always a hand-off anyway.
STs in general have been abysmal. The snap to the holder has to get better has there have been 3 bounces on placekicks and one to the punter has been bounced. The punter's first two were bad kicks. The TO has been mentioned already.
Duncan has been very shaky.
Which defensive player is wearing #3? It's not Shannon.
I was about to say if we can keep it under 40 this will be a decent result. Then BAM, an 86 yd run for a TD. 46-7.
Time for a new QB to see what someone other than Duncan can do.
Peifer in #3, Twigg is also doubled number as 21/28 on roster. If this is because we don't have the jerseys or money for the jerseys that is quite embarrassing. Also speaking of which, 240 lb running back, 84 yards touchdown run.
45-EKU
7-Valpo
Duncan labeled shaky isn't even funny, he's the worst consistently starting QB since at least 2000
Chris has, for the time he has been under center, never calmed his nerves down. He drops simple snaps, hurries passes. His brain has to slow down and see what's in front of him, but I just don't think he can. But the one guy I don't want to see here is Jimmy right now.
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 29, 2019, 08:46:28 PMDuncan labeled shaky isn't even funny
Another huge understatement minus the throw to Reese for the TD with whistles blowing near the field but not by the refs.
Can you really get a feel for this team after a mismatch like this?
53-7 Checking out thoughts on the game
First and foremost how does a starter on gameday not go out in a listed number, seriously.
Offense: Boxrucker by far our most effective runner. Allison showed pop too. Cartales not much after contact. O-Line did what they could physically out matched. Duncan outside the touchdown pass 35+% on throws. Thats bad. Real bad. Receiver wise Reese and Koehler made Duncan right a few times. We played Duncan the entire game, not even a look at another prospect. Fumble for a touchdown. 8 times in opp 50, 7 points. Bad day
Grade: F
Defense: Two turnovers. Competed. Lost on the edge to some speed plays. We had a sack before week 6 this year which is an improvement. Fox called an aggressive game. Our corners and DBs don't really pursue to ball as you'd hope.
Grade: C-
Special Teams: First two punts were shanked out of bounds. Three dropped snaps for PAT. Two PAT misses. a Fumbled punt. Average kick return below 20
Grade: F
Bad day at the office
In general the defense seems more organized than the offense and far more confident. Body language wise the offense has looked a bit intimidated while the defense I thought stood tall throughout despite the lopsided score.
One thing I didn't like but noticed happened while Boxrucker was still fighting for yards and our captain OL walked right by as if the play was over and there was no more he could do. Not exactly playing to the whistle and not a good look.
Absolutely
Compete against Montana (Winning season)
Bricked by Youngstown St, Youngstown St, North Dakota, EKU, Illinois St, Youngstown St, EKU- Whelp
Ironically Duncan's best game in a Valpo Uniform was that Montana game
I will say this with a very small sample to judge from: Our kids generally look a bit more athletic across the board than even last year, BUT our athletes are just a step or so slower across the board than their athletes. Big difference between PFL and OVC.
But it looks like we came away without any major injuries (at least in the Q4 that I saw).
Now, we lick our wounds and get back at it. I am a bit miffed that at least one of the other QBs didn't get at least a quarter to show something. How can the staff go into the next two weeks if they have nothing to base comparisons?
I also think that the D was put in some poor situations by the O not being able to execute, so what we saw tonight on the defensive side may not be indicative of how good (or bad) our D really is. The next three games will tell us more going into the PFL schedule.
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 29, 2019, 09:04:20 PM
53-7 Checking out thoughts on the game
First and foremost how does a starter on gameday not go out in a listed number, seriously.
Offense: Boxrucker by far our most effective runner. Allison showed pop too. Cartales not much after contact. O-Line did what they could physically out matched. Duncan outside the touchdown pass 35+% on throws. Thats bad. Real bad. Receiver wise Reese and Koehler made Duncan right a few times. We played Duncan the entire game, not even a look at another prospect. Fumble for a touchdown. 8 times in opp 50, 7 points. Bad day
Grade: F
Defense: Two turnovers. Competed. Lost on the edge to some speed plays. We had a sack before week 6 this year which is an improvement. Fox called an aggressive game. Our corners and DBs don't really pursue to ball as you'd hope.
Grade: C-
Special Teams: First two punts were shanked out of bounds. Three dropped snaps for PAT. Two PAT misses. a Fumbled punt. Average kick return below 20
Grade: F
Bad day at the office
How did we drop 3 PAT snaps and miss two when we only scored one TD?
Sorry two were field goal attempts which were missed
I have no problem playing scholarship FCS teams but we need to be realistic about who we play. I just don't see the value of getting your brains bashed.
The problem is that the bottom feeders in conferences like the OVC, Big Sky, MVFC, CAA, etc., IMO, don't have the $$$ to do buy games, so, if we want to go against better competition ( and make a few bucks), it's body bag game or nothing. Our '17 Montana game was where we need to be every year. I think we can be. I hope that Fox can take us there. The other option is to work our arses off to get Patriot and Ivy games. Those would be a step up from the NEC so our OOC schedule could be a bit more realistic. BUT..... I get the sense that part of the recruiting spiel is who we are scheduling for body bag games. Our kids, bless them, want to go against these guys.
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 29, 2019, 09:12:50 PMI am a bit miffed that at least one of the other QBs didn't get at least a quarter to show something.
I share in you miffness. Does the staff have no faith in Mullen or Nimz or whoever the 2nd (3rd) guy is?
Fumble for a TD Duncan's fault early in the game not done again. Defense was more organized but let's not get carried awayed they let a lot of points get on the board. I was at the game receivers were not running routes correctly never open. Two of Duncan's passes were un catchable but most of the plays we're hand offs up the middle that did not work. Kick offs were not good EKU had good field position almost every time. I'm not sure why no other qb was not given a chance but I'm not counting Duncan out yet. Offense line was week no blocking. No speed on defense when the EKU offense broke free no one on Valpo defense could catch up. No interceptions Duncan did not have turnovers except the fumble in 1st qt.
Quote from: IndyValpo on August 29, 2019, 09:32:38 PM
I have no problem playing scholarship FCS teams but we need to be realistic about who we play. I just don't see the value of getting your brains bashed.
I've never seen the value in these games, other than a big paycheck for the athletic department at the expense of an ass-kicking and potential blood bath.
Need to stick to our own level. Non-scholarship football.
So I watched the game and was glad that the only apparent injuries were on the EKU side. That's a positive for sure. Duncan was really bad but, consider the pressure he was under and you'all would have a bad game as well. I like what I saw from Ollie and JD. The first game of the season and we have two starters suspended? What's up with team discipline? I thought the defense was pretty good, Booker is a stud. Two interceptions. The punting and kicking? Awful. Good thing we have two weeks to learn and get better. There is hope. The EKU team has the star power and experience to go a long way this season. That might be the best scholarship team we have played since NDSU in 2004?
Oh, and I thought the TV guys did a really good, fair job.
Quote from: JD24 on August 29, 2019, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 29, 2019, 09:12:50 PMI am a bit miffed that at least one of the other QBs didn't get at least a quarter to show something.
I share in you miffness. Does the staff have no faith in Mullen or Nimz or whoever the 2nd (3rd) guy is?
This is particularly confusing within the context of Coach Fox's pregame video where he drew a parallel between this game and a "preseason" game with the obvious message being that we would be playing a lot of guys to see how they performed under game conditions.
Quote from: vu72 on August 30, 2019, 08:19:08 AM
The first game of the season and we have two starters suspended? What's up with team discipline?
Really? Who? Why?
i just wanted to say thank you guys for letting me sign on to your board and chat a little. You have been gracious host. Good luck the rest of they year.
I will be following you and check in from time to time if you don't mind. GOOD LUCK !
Always glad to have you join in. We'll be watching the Colonels as well. It'll be a good measuring stick for the rest of the season.
Interesting Co inky dink?
Player of the game: #6 - Jaxon Peifer with 10 tackles.
Lone Valpo TD of the game: #6 - Ollie Reese with a 61 yard catch and run.
Quote from: vu72 on August 30, 2019, 08:19:08 AMThe first game of the season and we have two starters suspended? What's up with team discipline?
What's up with "team" discipline is 4 players got picked up for the major offense of underage drinking back in April. LeAndre for furnishing and Larose for possession. Two other players were picked up at the same time for he same egregious offense. One guy was so ashamed that he left the team!!
Interesting that there probably was at least one other suspension not mentioned during the game since he was probably a traveler and LeAndre, who I think was mentioned as suspended, was credited with an assist on a tackle.
Hint: "Violation of team rules" typically is an underage drinking signal.
oh the humanity!!!!
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 30, 2019, 08:57:59 AMThis is particularly confusing within the context of Coach Fox's pregame video where he drew a parallel between this game and a "preseason" game with the obvious message being that we would be playing a lot of guys to see how they performed under game conditions.
Maybe the travel numbers were down and thus the staff was forced to play the same guys all the way but I found it odd that I didn't even notice much if any of the next platoon in there.
Some other observations. Anyone who doesn't believe a QB needs a "go to" guy when under stress needs to watch last night's game. While he was under a great deal of stress from a higher plain of defense, we've seen QBs such as Eric Hoffman, Ben Lehman and Jimmy Seewald stand in there much better than Duncan did last night. Ryan Clarke wasn't the most accurate guy in the world but his failings weren't out of a sense of being timid.
Scarsella appeared to play a very good game. Right before his pick, he lit up a back trying to turn the corner. Tape may reveal otherwise but I thought he played well. In fact, I don't have a ton of complaints about the defense.
The offense is another story. It appeared unsure as a whole and I think they are handing Koehler too much. He's a role player....or should be. While LaRose was out, what about the 2's at WR? I don't know we saw any of them and I can't say the first group looked irreplaceable.
Valpo appeared to line up in 11 personnel for almost the entire game including in spread sets with the TE flexed. We didn't attempt a throw to a TE all game....although I recall Kluck lying on the ground when one pass bounced past him so maybe it was one not in the boxscore. See my point about "go to" receivers.
Whoever was bouncing and/or dropping the snaps on placekicks and punts needs to be replaced today if they have not already been. Latsonas is a very good kicker. Let's not waste him bsing around with the snap and hold.
If Latsonas is a very good kicker, he would not miss from 29 yds
Quote from: usc4valpo on August 30, 2019, 11:38:52 AMIf Latsonas is a very good kicker, he would not miss from 29 yds
When the snapper is bouncing the ball to the holder and the holder is dropping the ball, Adam Vinatieri would be missing from 29 yards. If you don't consider Latsonas a very good kicker, you haven't been paying attention.
No one had explained the preplay ball fake by the motion man.
The Leandre, Kelly suspensions hurt as theyre both likely starters and our corners got bullied in the run game.
I'd love to hear Fox with an explanation on leaving Duncan in the game, possibilities
1) Jimmy is healthy and will start rest of way so leaving Duncan in was getting our 2 experience
2) Jimmy is hurt meaning they just let our starter play 1/2 of an out of reach game risking injury
Either way not thrilled
Quote from: valpofb16 on August 30, 2019, 12:32:39 PMNo one had explained the preplay ball fake by the motion man.
As a point of preference, I kept hoping they'd lose the fake. It seemed to accomplish nothing. It may have been to determine coverage but it, frankly, looked ridiculous.
JD24-perhaps I have a different criteria on a very good kicker. He is better than previous Valpo kickers, but that's not saying much.
My favorite Valpo kicker moment was 1981 when Jon Steinbrecher kicked a missed 25 year field goal short against Albion. I am not exaggerating, and it was not blocked or a heavy wind. It provides a great physics dilemma.
Quote from: usc4valpo on August 30, 2019, 09:05:20 PM
JD24-perhaps I have a different criteria on a very good kicker. He is better than previous Valpo kickers, but that's not saying much.
My favorite Valpo kicker moment was 1981 when Jon Steinbrecher kicked a missed 25 year field goal short against Albion. I am not exaggerating, and it was not blocked or a heavy wind. It provides a great physics dilemma.
Some would say he started aiming for the Summit of the Mid-Continent, hit it over the Ohio Valley, landed in the Mid American when he really wanted to get it to the Big East.
Seriously, kicking has become much more accurate over the last few years. Kevin Butler remarked during an interview on a radio station that his accuracy rate for FGs was 73%. He said a college kicker can't even think about becoming an NFL placekicker without hitting on 90% of his kicks in college.
Bbtds - I totally agree about kickers, and they need to carry out the job they are supposed todo or you are very expendable. former Bear kicker Cody Parkey is an example of that - sorry, I felt no pity for him after missing a potential game winning field goal in a playoff game when your salary is $2.5 million annually.
Valpo's kicking game - all the components that interact to build a functional deliverable - require thorough analysis.
Quote from: usc4valpo on August 31, 2019, 08:48:18 AMValpo's kicking game - all the components that interact to build a functional deliverable - require thorough analysis.
Which should begin by watching the games.
Hey JD24
Who would you have as your Go to guy! No one was open available or even close to helping Duncan! I was at the game! Let me you know pick for that! One turn over while Duncan was playing. Remember that.
Steinbrecher Jr. was a Kicker at Valpo? From what I remember during my time on campus, Andrew McCawley was a pretty good K.
Quote from: dcannon12 on August 31, 2019, 11:40:17 AMHey JD24 Who would you have as your Go to guy! No one was open available or even close to helping Duncan! I was at the game! Let me you know pick for that! One turn over while Duncan was playing. Remember that.
I have no idea at this point...which was my point. That player must be found. In recent years it's been a number of players. I'm not sure that guy is out there right now. Your contention that the QB could just run around when stressed just isn't going to work.
Any thoughts that Duncan played anything but poorly is a non-starter.
Latsonas was pretty much automatic inside the 30 last year. He had an experienced snapper and holder that he worked with for a couple of seasons. Kickers are only 50% ( my guess) of the PAT/FG equation. The other 50% is the snapper/holder component. Without an accurate snap and a sure hold and positioning of the ball, the best skilled kicker is not going to be very good.
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 31, 2019, 02:11:38 PMLatsonas was pretty much automatic inside the 30 last year. He had an experienced snapper and holder that he worked with for a couple of seasons. Kickers are only 50% ( my guess) of the PAT/FG equation. The other 50% is the snapper/holder component. Without an accurate snap and a sure hold and positioning of the ball, the best skilled kicker is not going be very good.
Throws the timing off as well.
Oh yeah. Big time. I did not see any of the muffed snaps or holds but THAT is what totally undoes a kicker. No rhythm.
BTW, I speak from experience. I was Valpo's LS when I played.
I just finished watching the game. Duncan was under pressure almost the whole game. I hope the Duncan will get some help the next game. EK DL was about 50 pounds heavier and just pushed valpo guys right into the passing line where Duncan was about to throw and the cb and LBs more physical Valpo receivers could not get separation.
I don't think he ran around when stressed he kept control of the ball
You think Jimmy Or Ben would of had open receivers or that the running game would of have been better if they handed off the ball ?
Your not looking at the big picture.
Seewald has shown he can play under pressure. I've seen other Valpo QBs faced with similar pressure and played far better. Keep in mind, it's now just the bottom line that we're commenting on.
Well if Seewald can learn to throw correctly and not throw out his shoulder then give him a shot. We will see. One good year with tons of returning starters is not something to hold on too.
Quote from: dcannon12 on August 31, 2019, 04:05:46 PMWell if Seewald can learn to throw correctly and not throw out his shoulder then give him a shot.
Nice.
I don't think anyone was talking about giving Seewald a shot. My comment was in regards to what's happened in the past with other QBs who've handled similar situations better and...again...I'm not simply referring to the statistical bottom line.
Perhaps a fresh look at QB may be in the works- how much do you risk in trying that?
I kinda blame the old staff for Duncan's regression his two biggest plays were in the Montana game, was serviceable against Duquesne, Butler, Jacksonville
But the sense around the entire program Is Duncan isnt great and we need Jimmy back. That has to be extremely deflating for the kid.
I appreciate all the upper classmen but I believe we probably start going with youth in certain spots shortly.
I am hoping and assuming that Seewald just gets his degree and moves on in life.
That being said, I am guessing the other backups are not ready - hopefully this will change throughout the season.
Quote from: valpofb16 on September 01, 2019, 06:39:54 AMI kinda blame the old staff for Duncan's regression his two biggest plays were in the Montana game, was serviceable against Duquesne, Butler, Jacksonville But the sense around the entire program Is Duncan isnt great and we need Jimmy back. That has to be extremely deflating for the kid. I appreciate all the upper classmen but I believe we probably start going with youth in certain spots shortly.
I don't know who was most involved with QBs but it's possible the Miran effect took over. Players looking good early but then either regressing or stagnating over time.
Quote from: valpofb16 on September 01, 2019, 06:39:54 AMI kinda blame the old staff for Duncan's regression his two biggest plays were in the Montana game, was serviceable against Duquesne, Butler, Jacksonville But the sense around the entire program Is Duncan isnt great and we need Jimmy back. That has to be extremely deflating for the kid. I appreciate all the upper classmen but I believe we probably start going with youth in certain spots shortly.
I've thought Duncan has a very good skillset for the position. I also realize there's a lot more to playing the position than a good physical skillset. Hopefully with opponents much closer to Valpo's level over the next few games, Duncan relaxes back there and plays to the level he's capable of. Same can be said of the rest of the offense which, I felt, looked a bit disorganized and certainly not confident vs. EKU.
As you say, without those changes, bring on the new guys. The other issue is these guys are universally not this staff's recruits.
I see more participation and feedback, positive and negative, on the football threads than in the past, and that is likely good. It seems as if there is more interest in the football topic.
FWIW the following players made their FCS debut Thursday
#42 Evan Annis FR.
#46 Austin Martins JR.
#75 Brendan O'Doherty RSFR.
#88 Jacob Berkemeier FR.
#99 Carter Puckett RSSO.
It's in poor taste to to write and speak for the entire program on a blog about a player! I doubt Duncan is deflated very poor taste to post that. Yes you can talk about his playing things you have witnessed. Anything else is an armchair want to be player. If you have played you would know.
DCannon12 you missed my point entirely. I like Fox saying Duncan is "our guy". I was more inferring to Cecchini saying if Jimmys healthy he's our guy while Duncan was out there playing games.
Started double digit games for this program and donate yearly. L