Since 2019/2020 non-conference is over, what non-conference games would you like to see in the upcoming 2020/2021 season? I would like to see Purdue play at the Arc for the two region kids on their team, a Florida trip for the new recruit and Javon's Uncle, and a home and home series with Wisconsin Green Bay for the new recruit from Sheboygan.
I think 3 games we will see next season are Valpo at Central Michigan, at Toledo, and hosting Charlotte. I think those were all home and home deals. I'd love to see us host SLU (doubtful IMO). Will we get Ball State back on the schedule? Another SIUE game? I'd like to see us play Belmont in a home and home along with Murray State also again. And maybe Western Michigan who we used to play somewhat regularly. Plus an early season neutral site tourney. Then still wonder if MVC will be able to get another annual "challenge" deal going with another conference? Last but not least a "buy" game with a P5 school.
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I believe Luke Gore stated on an earlier Union Street Hoops pod cast that we will play home games at the ARC vs.
Eastern Michigan
Charlotte
SIU-e
and away @
Toledo
Central Michigan
Vanderbilt
I would love to see us pick up Ball State again
Oakland
Murray St.
Belmont
Northwestern
DePaul
And Wagner for a "Lutheran Cup Challenge"
Luke did mention that Valpo wants to schedule more in the Mid West region.
https://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/inside-vu-sports/podcast-union-street-hoops-non-conference-schedule-breakdown/article_20b36734-caad-11e9-b1e8-d3cff6a24aa9.html
The last 41/2 minutes are worth a good listen for the next up coming non conference schedule.
Seriously? Vanderbilt wants us to keep our away game with them? I'd say screw them but we need P5 games and wins and that's definitely a P5 team we can beat.
Quote from: VALPO LI on January 10, 2020, 03:40:24 PM
https://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/inside-vu-sports/podcast-union-street-hoops-non-conference-schedule-breakdown/article_20b36734-caad-11e9-b1e8-d3cff6a24aa9.html
The last 41/2 minutes are worth a good listen for the next up coming non conference schedule.
After listening to this and knowing that of all MVC and HL teams plus Murray and Belmont that Valpo tied for the fewest scheduled D-1 home non conference home games, I am completely embarrassed for Luke Gore and his book of excuses. I also find his cavalier indifference toward Paul Oren's questions highly offensive. It's pretty obvious that he's just going through the motions. I hope he sets higher standards for his players than he does himself.
I wonder if the condition of our arena plays a role in teams not wanting to come play here.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 10, 2020, 04:53:09 PM
Seriously? Vanderbilt wants us to keep our away game with them? I'd say screw them but we need P5 games and wins and that's definitely a P5 team we can beat.
Unless they buy us out it sounds like it's a go but who knows ???
I wouldn't bank on this game even in August. We won't hear a peep of this game until Vandys schedule is released.
It would be sweet if we played Vandy and got coin to play another big time University.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 10, 2020, 05:32:00 PM
I wonder if the condition of our arena plays a role in teams not wanting to come play here.
Are there any arenas/convention centers in Lake or Porter County (NW Indiana that a big time school will play us in? (Neutral Court)
Quote from: VALPO LI on January 10, 2020, 05:47:36 PMQuote from: NativeCheesehead on January 10, 2020, 05:32:00 PMI wonder if the condition of our arena plays a role in teams not wanting to come play here.
Are there any arenas/convention centers in Lake or Porter County (NW Indiana that a big time school will play us in? (Neutral Court)
Because some coach from South Bend got beat at the ARC. Someone else said being in the ARC was similar to experiencing an explosion in a mustard factory.
Quote from: VALPO LI on January 10, 2020, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 10, 2020, 04:53:09 PM
Seriously? Vanderbilt wants us to keep our away game with them? I'd say screw them but we need P5 games and wins and that's definitely a P5 team we can beat.
Unless they buy us out it sounds like it's a go but who knows ???
I wouldn't bank on this game even in August. We won't hear a peep of this game until Vandys schedule is released.
It would be sweet if we played Vandy and got coin to play another big time University.
Here's a hint. You'll know the game's a go when it appears on Twitter.
[tweet]1133826819696877569[/tweet]
Lol. That's as good as a politician's promise.
Quote from: VALPO LI on January 10, 2020, 05:47:36 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 10, 2020, 05:32:00 PM
I wonder if the condition of our arena plays a role in teams not wanting to come play here.
Are there any arenas/convention centers in Lake or Porter County (NW Indiana that a big time school will play us in? (Neutral Court)
No, it pretty much has to be Chicago because that is where people from NW Indiana go to see big time sports. United Center, All-State Arena in Rosemont, Sears Center in Hoffman Estates, Wintrust Arena near McCormick Place, etc.
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 10, 2020, 06:15:15 PM
Quote from: VALPO LI on January 10, 2020, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 10, 2020, 04:53:09 PM
Seriously? Vanderbilt wants us to keep our away game with them? I'd say screw them but we need P5 games and wins and that's definitely a P5 team we can beat.
Unless they buy us out it sounds like it's a go but who knows ???
I wouldn't bank on this game even in August. We won't hear a peep of this game until Vandys schedule is released.
It would be sweet if we played Vandy and got coin to play another big time University.
Here's a hint. You'll know the game's a go when it appears on Twitter.
[tweet]1133826819696877569[/tweet]
The GW AD said "I can not tell a lie, I chopped out that Valpo game in that gym they call a venue because we didn't want to hurt anybody at the concession stand who stand there like cherry trees."
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 10, 2020, 05:32:00 PM
I wonder if the condition of our arena plays a role in teams not wanting to come play here.
If by condition you mean that when a good drawing team plays here and the ARC is full (think NIT), then the conditions of the arena being a tough place to play may have a factor
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For those of you who are big fans of Murray State, I don't believe they are anything special this season, even in their overall weak conference.
" Someone else said being in the ARC was similar to experiencing an explosion in a mustard factory."
THIS IS MY ALL-TIME FAVORITE VALPO QUOTE LIKE EVER .... literally laughing out loud
Quote from: valpo64 on February 22, 2020, 10:46:49 AMFor those of you who are big fans of Murray State, I don't believe they are anything special this season, even in their overall weak conference.
Not this year but did you see the last two years? They'll get there again. They'd still be a fantastic (and welcome) addition to the MVC.
I've been thinking about scheduling and I have come to the conclusion that MLB's contention that the strategy for the NET is to schedule a bunch of bad teams and beat them badly is wrong. That only works if your conference schedule helps you out later (and although the P5 feast on Cupcakes they also have their incestuous conference challenges where each team gets 1-2 P5 games plus they're often in the best MTE's which gives them 4 games against either P5 competition or upper tier mids. It's not ALL Cupcakes. Our conference has no such good fortune either within or outside of conference play and must therefore challenge itself at least to the same degree that most P5s do outside of conference if not more because we don't get the same help within our conference most years. If MLB's thesis were true, ISUb would not have had a better NET than Drake or at least their NETs would not have finished about 75 spots apart. But ISUb played one of the best non cons in the country while Drake played one of the worst and despite similar results (4 losses for ISUb to 3 for Drake) ISUb's numbers are much better. The difference in conference record shouldn't account for such a drastic difference either. Nonconference scheduling matters and it needs to be a challenging schedule replete with good teams.
So here is what we know, heard, and believe is happening with our up coming schedule for 2020-2021.
What we know:
Nov. 10th @ Toledo.
Nov. 14th @ UIC.
December 12th @ Central Michigan.
What we heard is that we will play:
@ Vanderbilt.
Home
Eastern Michigan
Charlotte
SIU-e
MTE- I have heard we are in one just do not know which one :-X
What we believe is a game is being scheduled against Chicago St. Not sure if this is Home or Away.
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 05, 2020, 12:08:06 PM
So here is what we know, heard, and believe is happening with our up coming schedule for 2020-2021.
What we know:
Nov. 10th @ Toledo.
Nov. 14th @ UIC.
December 12th @ Central Michigan.
What we heard is that we will play:
@ Vanderbilt.
Home
Central Michigan
Charlotte
SIU-e
MTE- I have heard we are in one just do not know which one :-X
What we believe is a game is being scheduled against Chicago St. Not sure if this is Home or Away.
I firmly believe that the non-conference schedule will change dramatically for most or all schools in D1. Big questions are unresolved: will students be attending on campus?, what funds will be available (for all sports)?, will it be safe to fly (though some schools can charter their own planes)?
I have no inside information on this, but my guess is that if students attend in person the non-conference schedule will be revamped. The Charlotte game and a Thanksgiving Holiday tournament seem unlikely. Games in which the team can travel to and from the opponent by bus are more likely to remain, but some opponents may not be able to afford having a program in 2020-2021. If students are not attending in person in the fall, my guess is that the season will be shorter and not start until January.
Since there are only 7 viable MTE's left for us to play in, taking into account we always go south and who we have for away games. There only seems to be one option for MTE.
Quote from: vu84v2 on May 05, 2020, 01:01:00 PM
If students are not attending in person in the fall, my guess is that the season will be shorter and not start until January.
Closing its campus for the 1st semester of a new school year after already sending everyone home the semester before would be a complete financial disaster. No one is going to keep paying top dollar tuition prices for dime-a-dozen online classes. Add in lost housing revenue and the ongoing impact of no freshman class and likely wholesale defections of existing students, and Valparaiso University could very well implode. This, it isn't going to happen, because it can't happen.
Some larger schools are scheduling home and homes with in state schools or schools that are relatively close to travel to like Missouri did with Missouri State.
Quote from: wh on May 05, 2020, 01:37:16 PM
Quote from: vu84v2 on May 05, 2020, 01:01:00 PM
If students are not attending in person in the fall, my guess is that the season will be shorter and not start until January.
Closing its campus for the 1st semester of a new school year after already sending everyone home the semester before would be a complete financial disaster. No one is going to keep paying top dollar tuition prices for dime-a-dozen online classes. Add in lost housing revenue and the ongoing impact of no freshman class and likely wholesale defections of existing students, and Valparaiso University could very well implode. This, it isn't going to happen, because it can't happen.
I agree with everything you wrote (except possibly the dime-a-dozen reference for online classes at a school like Valpo versus a CC or for-profit school - though that would be the perception of students and parents)...except the last sentence. It is a possibility that schools cannot open for on-campus attendance. Assume the current situation is the same 6 to 8 weeks from now when decisions need to be made. Do universities open for having students on-campus? Do states and municipalities allow it? Even if those first two are yes, do students (and their parents) feel it is safe enough to attend in person? Thus, universities need to plan for a case where that catastrophic scenario happens in order to survive. There are ugly options, but the ugliness is better than implosion.
Valpo does have one potential advantage...it is a campus and not in a city.
And basketball (and college sports) are not going to be the highest priority when addressing these challenges.
If the basketball season is affected, which it shouldn't be, you are going to have a lot more to worry about than sports. The viability of some colleges and universities will be hanging in the balance. and some will close their doors if students do not return to campus in the Fall. This close down has to end soon or this country is in deep doo-doo. As long as some of the press, some academia and some in the public health sector keep promoting shut down instead of concern for getting the economy back up and running, people are going to run scared. What are we going to do in the Fall when the regular flu season returns on it's annual basis? Shut downs, masks, social distances, gloves , etc. every time someone sneezes, coughs, or has a fever? Many seem to be oblivious to common sense these days. While some precautions need to be practiced right now, lets not blow this all out of proportion.
College basketball is definitely going to be affected. No way that 350 teams are going to be flying all around the country, which will drive a need for scheduling changes. No way that stadiums are going to be allowed to fill up without a vaccine. I hope that is where we end up, because that is the realistic best case scenario.
As for everything else (i.e. opening universities), data and facts (and in my opinion, the ability to test in large volumes in a very quick manner) are going to be the major drivers.
Moved the subsequent, non-non-conference related discussion to the Coronavirus thread on the off topic board.
Will we be doing a home and home with Grand Canyon? It seems logical that we would. We could add a buy game with Arizona or Arizona State or start a series with another mid major out west and make it a really good trip.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 06, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
Will we be doing a home and home with Grand Canyon? It seems logical that we would. We could add a buy game with Arizona or Arizona State or start a series with another mid major out west and make it a really good trip.
I'm going to just go ahead and shut this down right now with a 0% possibility this happens.
After playing at Grand Canyon last year will they be coming to the ARC this coming season as part of a home and home deal?
My understanding is we played them on a neutral floor as part of a MTE. I don't remember any H and H agreement between VU and GCU.
Correct GCU was the opening round game Valpo played in the Paradise Jam in St. Thomas last year.
This year Bradley is in the that same Tournament.
Old Mid-Con foe, ORU, was able to get Okie St. to a home and home.
https://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/college/oru/men-s-basketball-osu-oru-schedule-home-and-home-series/article_6fa451bf-ceba-590d-98ee-468cb3f51133.html (https://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/college/oru/men-s-basketball-osu-oru-schedule-home-and-home-series/article_6fa451bf-ceba-590d-98ee-468cb3f51133.html)
We have to start finding alternative ways to get a better schedule. I know it's difficult but I think other mid-majors have done a better job than we have in this area.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2019-20/19528/valpo-keeps-wins-coming-with-team-effort-to-top-grand-canyon/
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 22, 2019
Valpo Keeps Wins Coming with Team Effort to Top Grand Canyon
Daniel Sackey has 12 points and six rebounds in Friday's win.
The Valparaiso University men's basketball team continued to find ways to win on Friday afternoon in the opening game of the Paradise Jam at the Sports and Fitness Center on the campus of the University of the Virgin Islands, beating a quality Grand Canyon team 78-74 in an entertaining affair. Four starters finished in double figures to help Valpo hold the last lead in a game that featured 18 lead changes. Daniel Sackey (Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada / Thornlea) entered the game with a season free-throw percentage of just 53.8, but he calmly swished in four free throws down the stretch that allowed the Brown & Gold to clinch the team's fourth win in five games.
How It Happened
Valpo set the tone with defense in the early going, swiping four steals in the first five minutes of the game against an Antelope team that had turned the ball over four times total in its last game on Tuesday against Montana State. Javon Freeman-Liberty (Chicago, Ill. / Whitney Young) had a pair of steals in the early going.
Despite turning the ball over at a high rate, Grand Canyon (2-4) kept pace with Valpo thanks to hot shooting. Throughout the afternoon, the team hit impressive, contested shots. The Lopes scored eight of the game's first 11 points before Mileek McMillan (Merrillville, Ind. / Merrillville) knocked down a triple to cut the deficit to two. That sparked an 8-0 run that put Valpo up 11-8.
Eron Gordon (Indianapolis, Ind. / Cathedral [Seton Hall]) came off the bench to contribute a fastbreak layup followed by a tip-in midway through the opening half to lift his team ahead 23-22. Another significant basket off the bench came with 6:05 left in the half as freshman Emil Freese-Vilien (Copenhagen, Denmark / Falkonergardens Gymnasium) connected on a topside 3-pointer to put his team ahead 30-28, his first collegiate make from beyond the arc.
Freeman-Liberty continued to show off his improved shooting ability that has been evident throughout the season in the first half of this one. He buried his third triple of the half with 2:06 to go, tying the game at 35. Grand Canyon's Carlos Johnson responded with a go-ahead 3, but then Nick Robinson (Chicago, Ill. / Kenwood [Saint Joseph's]) came right back with a game-tying trey of his own.
It appeared Valpo would have the chance to hold for the final shot of the half while already owning a 40-38 edge, but a missed shot followed by a baseball-style pass led to a fastbreak basket for the Lopes, tying the game at 40 at the break.
The first half alone featured 16 lead changes, and GCU's Johnson went 8-of-11 from the field for 20 points before the break.
Valpo scored the first five points of the second half thanks to another Freeman-Liberty 3, then a steal and score by Sackey. A 10-3 spurt to start the half was capped by a traditional 3-point play by Freeman-Liberty, and with 17:29 to go in the second half, Valpo suddenly owned a 10-point lead.
This wasn't the type of game where a lead like that would hold, as a quality GCU squad responded by scoring 11 of the game's next 15 points to make it 57-54 with 12:52 to play. The Lopes came all the way back to take a 63-62 lead with 9:48 remaining.
Robinson buried a huge 3-pointer to put Valpo back up 68-67 with 7:15 to go, then John Kiser (Noblesville, Ind. / Noblesville) knocked one in from distance to extend the edge to four.
Johnson nailed his fifth 3 of the game to cut the Valpo lead to one with 1:35 left, but the Brown & Gold coupled good defense with perfect free-throw shooting the rest of the way.
Valpo made its final five free throws, with the last four coming from Sackey.
Probably a good thing we aren't playing GCU this coming season. Bryce is already stocking up.
https://gculopes.com/news/2020/4/15/mens-basketball-drew-adds-Wichita-State-7-footer-Midtgaard.aspx
Grand Canyon head coach Bryce Drew began work on bolstering his first Lopes roster with the addition of Asbjørn Midtgaard, a 7-foot transfer from Wichita State.
At 7 feet and 267 pounds with a 7-4 wingspan, Midtgaard brings stature as a rim protector, post defender, rebounder and screener. He won Wichita State's Most Improved Player for his sophomore season, when he averaged 3.9 points, 3.1 rebounds and 0.8 blocked shots in 11.3 minutes per game and helped the Shockers to the 2019 NIT semifinals by averaging 5.5 points, 5.0 rebounds and 1.3 blocks during the tournament.
The ORU series is not just about a mid-major getting someone at "home." The Mabee Center hosts almost 11,000. OSU is not gambling much with playing ORU "on the road" as that place will be orange when they play.
Plus there is a long tradition between the two schools coaching staffs. Current OSU assistant Scott Sutton was ORU HC for 17 years and its all-time winningest coach. Scott's brother and "HOF" were HCs at OSU. Even "analyst" Barry Hinson was an ORU HC at one time in his long coaching career.
It is a sign of the current environment because it's not a long trip, and it's good for the mid-major. But, don't read too much into it.
It still points out that DePaul, NW, Notre Dame, Purdue and Marquette should be pairing up with other solid programs (like Valpo, Loyola) for at lease home games or H&Hs over the next couple years to save costs and reduce air travel. If Mike Brey had any guts, he'd invite us over every year. But, I'm sure he'll find some traditional Big Least foes like Quinnipiac, Loyola MD and Hofstra, to come to ND.
Quote from: valpo64 on May 07, 2020, 01:39:40 PM
After playing at Grand Canyon last year will they be coming to the ARC this coming season as part of a home and home deal?
Drew crew would never agree to play Valpo ever.
Quote from: oklahomamick on May 08, 2020, 07:07:57 AM
Old Mid-Con foe, ORU, was able to get Okie St. to a home and home.
https://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/college/oru/men-s-basketball-osu-oru-schedule-home-and-home-series/article_6fa451bf-ceba-590d-98ee-468cb3f51133.html (https://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/college/oru/men-s-basketball-osu-oru-schedule-home-and-home-series/article_6fa451bf-ceba-590d-98ee-468cb3f51133.html)
We have to start finding alternative ways to get a better schedule. I know it's difficult but I think other mid-majors have done a better job than we have in this area.
ORU is in Tulsa, OSU is in Stillwater. My guess is that OSU wants to increase interest from their alumni base in Tulsa. Thus, you cannot easily compare this to Valpo.
Quote from: oklahomamick on May 08, 2020, 07:07:57 AM
Old Mid-Con foe, ORU, was able to get Okie St. to a home and home.
https://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/college/oru/men-s-basketball-osu-oru-schedule-home-and-home-series/article_6fa451bf-ceba-590d-98ee-468cb3f51133.html (https://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/college/oru/men-s-basketball-osu-oru-schedule-home-and-home-series/article_6fa451bf-ceba-590d-98ee-468cb3f51133.html)
We have to start finding alternative ways to get a better schedule. I know it's difficult but I think other mid-majors have done a better job than we have in this area.
Here are some examples for the upcoming season:
Virginia @ James Madison
Cal @ UC San Diego (new to D1)
UNC @ Hawaii
Cincinnati @ NKU
Notre Dame @ Howard
Cal @ Pepperdine
Alabama @Yale
Missouri @ Missouri St.
VCU @ Old Dominion
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 08, 2020, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on May 08, 2020, 07:07:57 AM
Old Mid-Con foe, ORU, was able to get Okie St. to a home and home.
https://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/college/oru/men-s-basketball-osu-oru-schedule-home-and-home-series/article_6fa451bf-ceba-590d-98ee-468cb3f51133.html (https://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/college/oru/men-s-basketball-osu-oru-schedule-home-and-home-series/article_6fa451bf-ceba-590d-98ee-468cb3f51133.html)
We have to start finding alternative ways to get a better schedule. I know it's difficult but I think other mid-majors have done a better job than we have in this area.
Here are some examples for the upcoming season:
Virginia @ James Madison
Cal @ UC San Diego (new to D1)
UNC @ Hawaii
Cincinnati @ NKU
Notre Dame @ Howard
Cal @ Pepperdine
Alabama @Yale
Missouri @ Missouri St.
VCU @ Old Dominion
Cincinnati played their home games at NKU's arena a couple of years ago when the Fifth Third Arena was being renovated. That and the fact their coach left NKU for Cincinnati last year might have something to do with their agreeing to play there. They always used to play NKU early in the non conference season when NKU was D2 but I think they usually played at UC. Regardless, being only 10 miles or so apart I expect most of the crowd will be from UC.
So let's suppose that we cannot play in front of fans for the first semester this coming season. Just a mental exercise, not looking to debate whether or not it will happen. But what type of revenue is the men's team going to lose by not having fans in the stands?
If we average 3,050 attendees a game for home games . . .
Chairbacks ($25 ea?) x 200 = $5,000
Lower Bowl Bleachers ($15 ea?) x 500 = $7,500
Upper Bleachers ($10 ea?) x 2,300 = $23,000
Students (free) x 50 = Free
Total $35,500 before concessions/parking/misc
Last year it appears we had (5) home games before conference so -$177,500 for conversation sake. Is that akin to (2) coaches salaries not covered?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 09, 2020, 11:14:21 AM
So let's suppose that we cannot play in front of fans for the first semester this coming season. Just a mental exercise, not looking to debate whether or not it will happen. But what type of revenue is the men's team going to lose by not having fans in the stands?
If we average 3,050 attendees a game for home games . . .
Chairbacks ($25 ea?) x 200 = $5,000
Lower Bowl Bleachers ($15 ea?) x 500 = $7,500
Upper Bleachers ($10 ea?) x 2,300 = $23,000
Students (free) x 50 = Free
Total $35,500 before concessions/parking/misc
Last year it appears we had (5) home games before conference so -$177,500 for conversation sake. Is that akin to (2) coaches salaries not covered?
I think you are off a bit, though I couldn't find an actual seating chart, my memory is that the lower seating is at least 750 per side. If I'm right, there would be a lot more chairbacks sold per game as they are the ones with money and also very loyal. As for $177,500 covering two coaches, think again. That might be Luke's salary but Matt makes A LOT more than that.
Quote from: vu72 on May 09, 2020, 01:04:54 PMQuote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 09, 2020, 11:14:21 AMSo let's suppose that we cannot play in front of fans for the first semester this coming season. Just a mental exercise, not looking to debate whether or not it will happen. But what type of revenue is the men's team going to lose by not having fans in the stands? If we average 3,050 attendees a game for home games . . . Chairbacks ($25 ea?) x 200 = $5,000 Lower Bowl Bleachers ($15 ea?) x 500 = $7,500 Upper Bleachers ($10 ea?) x 2,300 = $23,000 Students (free) x 50 = Free Total $35,500 before concessions/parking/misc Last year it appears we had (5) home games before conference so -$177,500 for conversation sake. Is that akin to (2) coaches salaries not covered?
I think you are off a bit, though I couldn't find an actual seating chart, my memory is that the lower seating is at least 750 per side. If I'm right, there would be a lot more chairbacks sold per game as they are the ones with money and also very loyal. As for $177,500 covering two coaches, think again. That might be Luke's salary but Matt makes A LOT more than that.
The lower bowl seating for chairbacks goes up to I believe (it's at least row N) row O which comes up to 15 rows per section. The 3 main sections are 17 seats across and the 2 wings are 8 seats across. That comes out to 15x17=255, then times 3=765 and 15x8=120 times 2=240. Added together it comes to a total of 1005 (765+240). Not sure of the bleacher side. They may squeeze in a couple more seats per row, but if not, the lower bowl less the student section would add up to 2010.
Prices last year were $25 chairbacks and $11.50 bleachers (lower & upper). This is before discounts for Teacher/Staff/Recent grad season ticket packages. The main 3 sections of the chairbacks seemed to be sold out 90-95% as season tickets, although a lot of those seats were no shows at times. I think a lot of the no shows were Corporate or individual "donation" purchases that were not die hard fans and just passed on coming to the games. So I would guess sold chairbacks might be around 850-900 per game. I've not taken in to consideration any complimentary tickets issued by the school, so I'll let who ever wants to do the math come up with the dollar amounts.
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 09, 2020, 04:06:04 PM
Quote from: vu72 on May 09, 2020, 01:04:54 PMQuote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 09, 2020, 11:14:21 AMSo let's suppose that we cannot play in front of fans for the first semester this coming season. Just a mental exercise, not looking to debate whether or not it will happen. But what type of revenue is the men's team going to lose by not having fans in the stands? If we average 3,050 attendees a game for home games . . . Chairbacks ($25 ea?) x 200 = $5,000 Lower Bowl Bleachers ($15 ea?) x 500 = $7,500 Upper Bleachers ($10 ea?) x 2,300 = $23,000 Students (free) x 50 = Free Total $35,500 before concessions/parking/misc Last year it appears we had (5) home games before conference so -$177,500 for conversation sake. Is that akin to (2) coaches salaries not covered?
I think you are off a bit, though I couldn't find an actual seating chart, my memory is that the lower seating is at least 750 per side. If I'm right, there would be a lot more chairbacks sold per game as they are the ones with money and also very loyal. As for $177,500 covering two coaches, think again. That might be Luke's salary but Matt makes A LOT more than that.
The lower bowl seating for chairbacks goes up to I believe (it's at least row N) row O which comes up to 15 rows per section. The 3 main sections are 17 seats across and the 2 wings are 8 seats across. That comes out to 15x17=255, then times 3=765 and 15x8=120 times 2=240. Added together it comes to a total of 1005 (765+240). Not sure of the bleacher side. They may squeeze in a couple more seats per row, but if not, the lower bowl less the student section would add up to 2010.
Prices last year were $25 chairbacks and $11.50 bleachers (lower & upper). This is before discounts for Teacher/Staff/Recent grad season ticket packages. The main 3 sections of the chairbacks seemed to be sold out 90-95% as season tickets, although a lot of those seats were no shows at times. I think a lot of the no shows were Corporate or individual "donation" purchases that were not die hard fans and just passed on coming to the games. So I would guess sold chairbacks might be around 850-900 per game. I've not taken in to consideration any complimentary tickets issued by the school, so I'll let who ever wants to do the math come up with the dollar amounts.
So doing the math, and assuming the chairbacks at 90%, that brings in $22,612 per game. If the other seats (3005 average less 905 chairbacks) is 2100 bleachers. If 95% of those are paying, at $11.50 per seat, that's another $21,735, all before concessions/parking etc. for a total per game of $44,347 X 5 = $221,735. Probably half of Matt's salary.
I did the math in my head.
It approximately comes out to be the cost of men's soccer and men's tennis.
Valpo to host Eastern Michigan Saturday December 5th at the ARC
From
Happening Hoops
@happeninghoops
Time to avenge last year's loss Valpo!!! :thumbsup:
I hope the MVC has at least tried to do this... You have to think that Gonzaga would sign off on playing UNI or LUC, possibly Bradley...
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1264564919682437120
Updated schedule:
@ Toledo Tue. 11/10
@ UIC Sat. 11/14
Challenge in Music City Nashville TN 11/27-29.
*Townson Towson
* Wright St.
*TBD
Eastern Michigan Sat. 12/5
@ Central Michigan Sat. 12/12
Charlotte Mon. 12/21
I could see Valpo playing at Vanderbilt just after their Challenge. Vandy will be in Brooklyn for the Legends Classics Nov. 23 and 24th and Valpo in Nashville Nov. 27-29th.
Pretty meh schedule to be honest. Don't see any obvious Q1 games and only Wright State looks like a for sure Q2 game except it's a neutral site game so even that's not a given. Let's get a series with Belmont again. Still 4 slots to fill. Hopefully there are some exciting games. Also it's Towson, not Townson.
Grrr spell check.
*Towson.
Expect games that do not require airline flights and don't be surprised if games do not require overnight stays. Road/buy games are not likely...but Valpo could get one or two good road games (e.g., Notre Dame, Marquette, Northwestern, DePaul) if they do not require the payment. This schedule is fitting that model, so far.
I have previously been very critical of scheduling, but this year is a completely different and unique situation. We should all be happy if Valpo is playing basketball (and hopefully playing it well against whomever).
I'd love to get a H and H with DePaul like Loyola got but that probably isn't going to happen for obvious reasons.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 26, 2020, 10:08:24 PM
Pretty meh schedule to be honest. Don't see any obvious Q1 games and only Wright State looks like a for sure Q2 game except it's a neutral site game so even that's not a given. Let's get a series with Belmont again. Still 4 slots to fill. Hopefully there are some exciting games. Also it's Towson, not Townson.
Home vs. SIU-e and a game against Chicago St. next to be announced. That gives us 2 slots to fill.
2 non D1?
Yyyyuck.... Talk about a team that's scheduling like it's just happy to be a hanger on in the MVC and not a team that expects to challenge for anything worthwhile... Pandemic or not this is very disappointing...
Loyola gets DePaul Missouri State gets Missouri We get this.... Don't blame the fans if they don't show up until MVC play starts... That's all we seem to be playing for anyway...
Are we even trying to bring Sasha and Brandon Newman back to the region for a game?
Not to be too negative but this could seriously be a reason why JFL transferred. Even our past mediocre\bad schedules look better than this one...
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 26, 2020, 11:17:22 PMYyyyuck.... Talk about a team that's scheduling like it's just happy to be a hanger on in the MVC and not a team that expects to challenge for anything worthwhile... Pandemic or not this is very disappointing... Loyola gets DePaul Missouri State gets Missouri We get this.... Don't blame the fans if they don't show up until MVC play starts... That's all we seem to be playing for anyway... Are we even trying to bring Sasha and Brandon Newman back to the region for a game? Not to be too negative but this could seriously be a reason why JFL transferred. Even our past mediocre\bad schedules look better than this one...
Okay... I've had a moment to calm down and I realize that this screed is a bit too harsh and out of keeping with the current realities we all face. Better to be a hanger on in the MVC than not in it at all. I have to realize that money is extremely tight for us and was even before the pandemic and the university is most likely and rightfully much more concerned with its very survival than athletic success... This is not a good schedule but vu84v2 is right. At least we have a schedule. For that alone I should be grateful at least for this year. I just wish we would set our sights on basketball and what it can do to save us from the issues confronting the school but I understand the risks of that and that it's probably not practical for us right now. It's just that I love this University and I want to see it ascend to the greatest heights possible. Maybe we're already there and I should be happy right now, but the reason I show this emotion is because I still think there's more that we can become.
And you ask why WE don't do more to get Sasha and Newman back for as game? I understood that Purdue didn't want anything to do with a game at VU. And besides both of those guys being at Purdue isn't exactly the other side of the world playing home games in W. Lafayette.
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 26, 2020, 09:19:23 PM
Updated schedule:
@ Toledo Tue. 11/10
@ UIC Sat. 11/14
Challenge in Music City Nashville TN 11/27-29.
*Townson Towson
* Wright St.
*TBD
Eastern Michigan Sat. 12/5
@ Central Michigan Sat. 12/12
Charlotte Mon. 12/21
I could see Valpo playing at Vanderbilt just after their Challenge. Vandy will be in Brooklyn for the Legends Classics Nov. 23 and 24th and Valpo in Nashville Nov. 27-29th.
Is the Challenge in Nashville 3 games in a round robin format?
From what I am digging up it lists the Challenge in Music City with 3 teams including Valpo right now. An earlier source confirms Towson in the Challenge and 3 more teams yet to be determined.
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 26, 2020, 09:19:23 PM
Updated schedule:
@ Toledo Tue. 11/10
@ UIC Sat. 11/14
Challenge in Music City Nashville TN 11/27-29.
*Townson Towson
* Wright St.
*TBD
Eastern Michigan Sat. 12/5
@ Central Michigan Sat. 12/12
Charlotte Mon. 12/21
I could see Valpo playing at Vanderbilt just after their Challenge. Vandy will be in Brooklyn for the Legends Classics Nov. 23 and 24th and Valpo in Nashville Nov. 27-29th.
Lunardi's April early bracketology has Wright State winning the HL:
http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketologyByRegion?&year=2020&iteration=281®ion=4&wjb=
Quote from: wh on May 28, 2020, 07:25:55 AM
Quote from: VALPO LI on May 26, 2020, 09:19:23 PM
Updated schedule:
@ Toledo Tue. 11/10
@ UIC Sat. 11/14
Challenge in Music City Nashville TN 11/27-29.
*Townson Towson
* Wright St.
*TBD
Eastern Michigan Sat. 12/5
@ Central Michigan Sat. 12/12
Charlotte Mon. 12/21
I could see Valpo playing at Vanderbilt just after their Challenge. Vandy will be in Brooklyn for the Legends Classics Nov. 23 and 24th and Valpo in Nashville Nov. 27-29th.
Lunardi's April early bracketology has Wright State winning the HL:
http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketologyByRegion?&year=2020&iteration=281®ion=4&wjb=
And now we know the last team on the list is Georgia St. Although people might not love this tournament, it is a sneaky good mid major lineup and should be entertaining to watch. Wright St and Georgia St are two of the most uptempo teams in the country.
Quote from: valpo4life on May 29, 2020, 09:43:35 AMAnd now we know the last team on the list is Georgia St. Although people might not love this tournament, it is a sneaky good mid major lineup and should be entertaining to watch. Wright St and Georgia St are two of the most uptempo teams in the country.
Unfortunately for entertainment value Ron Hunter moved on from Georgia State to Tulane when GSU tried to keep R.J.'s dad by offering him a $25,000 bump in pay per year after making the NCAA tourney 3 years out of 7. Hunter rejected the salary offer and moved on to Tulane in 2019.
https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/what-went-wrong-between-ron-hunter-and-georgia-state/zOpfP2Y9sxOj8bh9QdYNlL/
Solid tournament. Not great a great field but not a bad field with Georgia State and Wright State. I think we are the "best" program in this field from a historical and reputational standpoint.
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1266354519983689735?s=21
Wait what? We're still playing Vandy? I thought they bought us out of the series? Or was it just the home game?
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1266389283881062400?s=21
Quote from: VU2014 on May 29, 2020, 12:27:13 PM
Wait what? We're still playing Vandy? I thought they bought us out of the series? Or was it just the home game?
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1266389283881062400?s=21
Yep. $200k for just the home game. Wow! This is GREAT news! I'll get to see Valpo 2 or 3 times in person here in Nashville!
I find it very hard to believe that Vandy will pay Valpo $200K for a home game if they (reasonable best case) can only have 3000-4000 people in their stadium. I hope that I am wrong because the Valpo basketball program is really going to need that type of income.
Quote from: vu84v2 on May 29, 2020, 12:58:45 PM
I find it very hard to believe that Vandy will pay Valpo $200K for a home game if they (reasonable best case) can only have 3000-4000 people in their stadium. I hope that I am wrong because the Valpo basketball program is really going to need that type of income.
I meant to say they paid us 200k to get out of OUR home game. I have no idea if there is a pay day for us going to Nashville but assume there is something.
The first Wright State post about the Music City Shootout was on March 31st. We first learned about it what, yesterday?
Quote from: @refrigeratorraider" source="/post/100540/thread" timestamp="1585688869I figured we could use a thread devoted to news/discussion on the 2020-2021 schedule. Here's what I have so far:
Home game - Horizon League-Summit League Showdown (November 17/21)
Away game - Horizon League-Summit League Showdown (November 17/21)
Music City Shootout: Valpo, Georgia State, Towson (November 27–29)
Miami (December 5)
@ Western Kentucky (game 3 of a 4-game series)
Tennessee Tech (return game from last year @ Tennessee Tech)
I believe the Toledo, Kent State, and Indiana State contracts are up. It would be nice for one or two of these to be renewed.
I'm not sure if it's confirmed, but with Purdue Fort Wayne joining the Horizon, it seems likely there will be 20 conference games. That would mean there's at most 4 other non-conference games, in addition to a possible MTE.
To no one in particular, or someone in particular, whichever applies:
You feel like a poor boy
A long way from home
You're just a poor boy
A long way from home
And it's wake-up time
Time to open up your eyes
And rise
And shineTom Petty
That's too bad about Ron Hunter, as he is really the only reason that Georgia State became relevant. They were crap before he got there, and will be crap afterwards. Regardless, I like the mid-major field + a game at Vandy!
Interview with Towson MBB, during which he touches on playing Wright State and Valpo in the Music City Shootout. More than that, he talks about scheduling challenges for Mid Majors and how some conferences are considering adding an 11th team in order to play a 20-game conference schedule. Worth a listen.
https://twitter.com/towsontigers/status/1257687803003092993?s=21
Yay! Murray State Racers come on down! You're the next contestants in the MVC! I really hope this happens It's 3 years overdue.
SIU-e is confirmed to come to the ARC by Happening Hoops.
That's 3 confirmed homes games scheduled so far at the ARC.
2020-2021 Teams on Valpo's Schedule:
Challenge in Music City Nashville TN.
Towson 19-13. Finished 3rd in CAA (12-6) NET 154.
Wright St. 25-7. Finished 1st in the Horizon (15-3) and lost to UIC in the Semifinals. NET 127.
Georgia St. 19-13. Finished top 5 in the Sun Belt. NET 134.
Home
Eastern Michigan 16-16 5th in the MAC West (6-12) NET 191
Charlotte 16-13 tied for top 3 finish in C-USA (10-8) NET 176.
SIU-e 8-23 bottom of the OVC (5-13) NET 336
AWAY
@Toledo 17-15 3rd MAC West (8-10) NET 137
@Central Michigan 14-18 4th MAC West (7-11) NET 198
@UIC 18-17 Went to the Horizon finals. (10-8) NET 217
NOT CONFIRMED BUT BELIEVED TO BE HAPPENING
@Vanderbilt 11-21 last in SEC (3-15) NET 142
Chicago St. 4-25 winless in the WAC. Only D1 win was against SIU-e. NET 353
That leaves Valpo with 2 more opponents.
Assume 1 is a non D-1 institution? Maybe both?or maybe we will all be surprised with none...
Maybe Ron Hunter would bring Tulane to the ARC. Wouldn't that be fun for the Green Wave to fly to Chicago in Nov/Dec and get a Loyola, DePaul, Northwestern or UIC game paired with a game at the ARC? Tulane football plays at Northwestern on September 12 (maybe) for a summer heat breaker.
And Greg Kampe wants to go back to North Dakota----Riiiiiiiiiight!!!!!
Why are we bothering with series with programs like SIUE and Chicago State when we can probably get a team from the HL MAC SOCON or CUSA at minimum who would be much more interesting.
According to Happening Hoops our MTE home game is going to be a non D1... Way to listen to Commissioner Elgin there. He said he doesn't want anymore non D1s and yet here we are scheduling non D1s. ::) Are we trying to compete in this conference or did we just put our feet up and say job well done when we got in?
Tweet from Paul Oren:
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https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1271143577775747072
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- estimated travel time on the road for Valpo
6 1/2 hrs non stop to Nashville
3 1/2 hrs non stop to Toledo
3 1/2 hrs non stop to Mt. Pleasant (Central Mich.)
1 hr. To Chicago (UIC)
*Not sure if we will be on the road to play Chicago State for I do not believe this game is confirmed, if so 1hr to Chicago again.
My guess is that this will be the policy for all Fall and Winter sports.
I think that I heard the Big East is dividing into two divisions for Fall sports to minimize or eliminate air travel. I sort of doubt that the MVC would need to do this, given that the largest distance is still much less than the Big East.
https://twitter.com/TheD1Docket/status/1275557459684450306
https://twitter.com/TheD1Docket/status/1275568026046398466
Looks like Charlotte is heading to DC in late December instead of NW Indiana as we once thought. Maybe the game got rescheduled to a different date or perhaps it is another buy out to get out of playing at the ARC? We will have to wait and see.
Quote from: VALPO LI on June 23, 2020, 08:46:44 PM
https://twitter.com/TheD1Docket/status/1275557459684450306
https://twitter.com/TheD1Docket/status/1275568026046398466
Looks like Charlotte is heading to DC in late December instead of NW Indiana as we once thought. Maybe the game got rescheduled to a different date or perhaps it is another buy out to get out of playing at the ARC? We will have to wait and see.
The return game may have been pushed out a year given the current travel challenges.
Could be what was meant by Paul's tweet that there are still some moving pieces for the final games on our schedule and that "the final pieces are always the hardest." Excited to see how it all plays out.
Man screw GW. First they screw us out of a home game and now this. I am beginning to really hate that program.
"The return game may have been pushed out a year given the current travel challenges."
-If that is the case we then loose a marquis home game for this upcoming season. That would leave Valpo with Eastern Michigan and SIU-e...Plus what ever is in the works.
Quote from: VALPO LI on June 24, 2020, 07:29:35 PM
"The return game may have been pushed out a year given the current travel challenges."
-If that is the case we then loose a marquis home game for this upcoming season. That would leave Valpo with Eastern Michigan and SIU-e...Plus what ever is in the works.
On the bright side, I assume several other schools in the midwest are also scrambling for games, so maybe this opens some doors with schools in Indiana, Michigan and Ohio.
Charlotte will be a couple days earlier than originally scheduled. Lots of moving around.
Quote from: Pgmado on June 24, 2020, 11:56:21 PM
Charlotte will be a couple days earlier than originally scheduled. Lots of moving around.
That is reassuring news. Glad they are still on the schedule this year. :thumbsup:
Toledo is the first team to announce Valpo on their schedule for non conference play. I'm glad this game is still on our schedule.
DECEMBER 19th 2020 @ Toledo.
https://utrockets.com/news/2020/10/27/mens-basketball-rockets-finalize-non-conference-schedule.aspx
Am I reading properly that Valpo is Playing Purdue on December 4th. I see Oren posted an article about it but nobody has mentioned it yet...
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1321544522418032648
WHAT???
THIS IS AWESOME NEWS!!!!!! :thumbsup:
Valpo @ Purdue 12/4!
:thewave:
Glad we are playing Purdue again but man, this is the year for P 5's to play OOC on the road. Flip side, limited schedule means limited OOC games. Man the smaller guys still get screwed!!! :)
Great! I believe that Purdue had been adamant about never playing us again, so there is 1 benefit of COVID (proximity)!
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on October 28, 2020, 06:55:41 PM
Glad we are playing Purdue again but man, this is the year for P 5's to play OOC on the road. Flip side, limited schedule means limited OOC games. Man the smaller guys still get screwed!!! :)
Keeping up with the latest covid thinking and strategies is near impossible. Any thoughts on their ticket sales limitations for something only 5 weeks off?
Is Fazekas going to be playng anywhere this year? Trying to find out.
Quote from: valpotx on October 29, 2020, 03:10:55 AM
Great! I believe that Purdue had been adamant about never playing us again, so there is 1 benefit of COVID (proximity)!
Had heard that it may not fit into the scheduling plan because of some of the changes with Big Ten scheduling, but I don't think there was anything "adamant" about that from Painter or any other person associated with athletics. If you have anything on that I would love to see it.
Quote from: justducky on October 29, 2020, 12:57:33 PMKeeping up with the latest covid thinking and strategies is near impossible. Any thoughts on their ticket sales limitations for something only 5 weeks off?
I'm thinking the schedule for who and how many teams we are hosting is only going to be finalized 2 or 3 weeks before the season starts. It's going to be a night mare for the ticket office in allocating seats for season ticket holders. I heard they were not going to fill the first row, in order to make distancing for people walking to their seats and the players. Have no idea how they are going to distance people in the stands or decide who gets tickets if they are limited.
The State relaxed their maximum group capacity about a month ago, but at that time the county had a max gathering of 250 people still in place. Don't know what the limits are right now or if there is a chance they will change again in a month from now.
Regardless of what happens, I hope the games are still televised, I have my ESPN+ subscription, but personally I'd like to see the games in person. Of course there is no guarantee that there will be a season or that it doesn't gets canceled after a couple of weeks. Other than all of that, I'm excited to see this team play.
Quote from: VUBBFan on October 29, 2020, 04:21:36 PM
Quote from: justducky on October 29, 2020, 12:57:33 PMKeeping up with the latest covid thinking and strategies is near impossible. Any thoughts on their ticket sales limitations for something only 5 weeks off?
I'm thinking the schedule for who and how many teams we are hosting is only going to be finalized 2 or 3 weeks before the season starts. It's going to be a night mare for the ticket office in allocating seats for season ticket holders. I heard they were not going to fill the first row, in order to make distancing for people walking to their seats and the players. Have no idea how they are going to distance people in the stands or decide who gets tickets if they are limited.
The State relaxed their maximum group capacity about a month ago, but at that time the county had a max gathering of 250 people still in place. Don't know what the limits are right now or if there is a chance they will change again in a month from now.
Regardless of what happens, I hope the games are still televised, I have my ESPN+ subscription, but personally I'd like to see the games in person. Of course there is no guarantee that there will be a season or that it doesn't gets canceled after a couple of weeks. Other than all of that, I'm excited to see this team play.
I just talked with a colleague close to the program at one of the blueblood programs. He said that they were going to allow 1500 people in a stadium that holds 16000. The major donors get 400 of the seats and the balance goes to students, faculty and other donors. I would expect about 10% of capacity to be allowed at other schools.
Quote from: FWalum on October 29, 2020, 02:28:30 PM
Quote from: valpotx on October 29, 2020, 03:10:55 AM
Great! I believe that Purdue had been adamant about never playing us again, so there is 1 benefit of COVID (proximity)!
Had heard that it may not fit into the scheduling plan because of some of the changes with Big Ten scheduling, but I don't think there was anything "adamant" about that from Painter or any other person associated with athletics. If you have anything on that I would love to see it.
It is just what I heard from folks in the program, after their last game against us at the ARC many years ago.
Quote from: valpotx on November 03, 2020, 02:38:51 AMIt is just what I heard from folks in the program, after their last game against us at the ARC many years ago.
You are right that they will probably never play at the ARC again. I think that we will continue to play them occasionally at Mackey like we did in 2017 and it appears we will do again this December.
Chicago State released their entire schedule today and I am surprised (not disappointed ;)) that Valpo was not on it. I heard some talk about us playing the Cougars this season. Drake, Illinois St. and Loyola are on their schedule.
https://www.gocsucougars.com/news/2020/11/5/csu-releases-2020-21-mens-basketball-schedule.aspx
SIU-e is officially on the schedule to play at the ARC Wednesday December 9th.
https://www.siuecougars.com/sports/m-baskbl/2020-21/releases/20201105ikluny
That's 3 non conference games publicly announced for Valpo.
12/4 @ Purdue
12/9 vs. SIU-e
12/19 @ Toledo
You might want to check out trinity international university basketball schedule... say around November 29. Just a suggestion.
Another non-D1.... ::) At least we probably won't be allowed in to see it anyway...
No idea where this would go but the Ivy League has shut it down and by that, if I'm reading it right, no sports until at least Feb 2021.
Quote from: JD24 on November 12, 2020, 11:06:45 PM
No idea where this would go but the Ivy League has shut it down and by that, if I'm reading it right, no sports until at least Feb 2021.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6272354002
Ivy League cancels entire winter sports season, delays spring schedule
Quote from: talksalot on November 12, 2020, 08:43:41 PM
You might want to check out trinity international university basketball schedule... say around November 29. Just a suggestion.
"I liked" your post not for the information you are telling me but for digging this info up!
Quote from: VALPO LI on November 13, 2020, 09:19:44 AMQuote from: talksalot on November 12, 2020, 08:43:41 PMYou might want to check out trinity international university basketball schedule... say around November 29. Just a suggestion.
"I liked" your post not for the information you are telling me but for digging this info up!
I actually like that game where it is at... I assume scrimmages with other schools wont be a thing this year. This will be a good tune up game. Give our team a chance to gel before the likes of Purdue. Plus, we need to fill out a schedule and that is always hard for us, much more so this year.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1327348579963432969
Season opener at Vanderbilt?
As per Paul Oren!
Now you are talking!!!
https://twitter.com/UIC_MBB/status/1327375533970137088
Valpo @ UIC December 1st.
This is part of an MTE UIC is hosting with Trinity International in it as well.
UIC is decent but if that's all they've got in their MTE color me unimpressed. I really wish we'd schedule better.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 13, 2020, 11:27:36 PM
UIC is decent but if that's all they've got in their MTE color me unimpressed. I really wish we'd schedule better.
Ummmm....COVID? This kind of deters a lot of programs wanting to travel across the country in the coming months.
That's a fair argument and I understand the COVID realities but wasn't U of I doing an MTE with some pretty good teams involved? That's not much further than where we're going...
Notice, I never said the Trinity game was on... I merely suggested that you look at their schedule....
Now, the UIC schedule shows them hosting the MTE "the UIC Basketball Invitational" ... and Trinity is included in that... the UIC schedule actually has the Valpo-Trinity game still listed for Sunday 11/29 as part of their tournament...
https://uicflames.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
Like Paul tweeted... more moving parts than a Valpo High Backfield !! [had to get a plug in for the Regional Champ Vikings]
Quote from: talksalot on November 14, 2020, 07:13:26 AM
Notice, I never said the Trinity game was on... I merely suggested that you look at their schedule....
Now, the UIC schedule shows them hosting the MTE "the UIC Basketball Invitational" ... and Trinity is included in that... the UIC schedule actually has the Valpo-Trinity game still listed for Sunday 11/29 as part of their tournament...
https://uicflames.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
Like Paul tweeted... more moving parts than a Valpo High Backfield !! [had to get a plug in for the Regional Champ Vikings]
Congrats to Bill Marshall and Todd Evans (baseball teammate) :)
Sounds like we'll know very shortly where we stand as far as our nonconference schedule. Hope it's decent and prepares the team well for MVC play.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1329265719406637056
Valpo's 2020/2021 Non Conference Schedule!!!
https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2020-21/19985/valpo-basketball-unveils-nonconference-schedule/
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1329449633744113665
9 non conference games
4 home
5 on the road.
1 Big 10
1 SEC
3 MAC
1 OVC
1 Horizon
2 non D-1
https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/schedule/
Quote from: VALPO LI on November 19, 2020, 10:34:56 AMValpo's 2020/2021 Non Conference Schedule!!! https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2020-21/19985/valpo-basketball-unveils-nonconference-schedule/ 9 non conference games 4 home 5 on the road. 1 Big 10 1 SEC 3 MAC 1 OVC 1 Horizon 2 non D-1 https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/schedule/
Its actually not a bad schedule.. Trinity and Judson aren't great (but good practice games), but the others are decent to very good.
Quote from: vuny98 on November 19, 2020, 10:44:38 AMIts actually not a bad schedule..
Considering everything I'm tending towards agreement. :thumbsup:
Going to Vanderbilt to play before a covid -restricted audience has certain and durable karmic satisfaction attached which is difficult to describe. ;)
Good work getting that schedule done by those involved. Without the Covid I think this schedule is still decent enough.
I'm curious how many of these will be streamed and where they will be available to watch. ESPN+ still a thing for most games this year. I usually only subscribe to it during basketball season.
I'm fine with it this year They get a pass for COVID but in an ordinary year this still wouldn't fly for me. Two non-D1s is way too many. I'd grudgingly stomach one if the rest of the schedule is solid but two is way too many in a normal year. This is anything but so I won't grouse too much but yeah going forward once things normalize we need to stop wasting scheduling opportunities with meaningless filler games that do nothing.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on November 19, 2020, 12:32:57 PM
I'm curious how many of these will be streamed and where they will be available to watch. ESPN+ still a thing for most games this year. I usually only subscribe to it during basketball season.
The opener at Vanderbilt is expected to be on SEC Network+, the Dec. 4 game at Purdue will be televised on Big Ten Network and all other nonconference games will be on either ESPN3 or ESPN+.
2 Power Five teams and 3 MVC quality teams in Central/Eastern Michigan and Toledo. These games should all be really good preparation for conference season. All 5 of those should provide just as much if not more competition than conference games. UIC is a recent conference "rival" solid squad too with a good coach. Would be disappointed if we lost but should be a fun game, and its nice to see them schedule a Horizon League team (as long as they aren't one of the bottom feeders). Would like to see one with Oakland or Milwaukee sometime. SIUE is one of those games that you should win by double digits but it won't be a complete pushover, and they should be able to experiment a few things with some of the newcomers without having to worry about blowing the game. Obviously the 2 non D1s are not exciting, but I imagine those are almost exclusively because of the unique scheduling complications this year. Just use them to get minutes for the young guys and maybe build some confidence in them. The one thing that isn't a factor this year but would be in a normal year is the home schedule. Absolutely abysmal. If This was a year in which we actually could go to the home games, giving us 2 non D1s, a low D1 and then one solid game in Eastern Michigan would be absolutely brutal. That wouldn't get anybody out to the games. I have to imagine that they probably weren't really considering that too much this year with the unlikelihood of having fans, so Ill give them a pass on that.
Quote from: Brandon on November 19, 2020, 01:14:29 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on November 19, 2020, 12:32:57 PM
I'm curious how many of these will be streamed and where they will be available to watch. ESPN+ still a thing for most games this year. I usually only subscribe to it during basketball season.
The opener at Vanderbilt is expected to be on SEC Network+, the Dec. 4 game at Purdue will be televised on Big Ten Network and all other nonconference games will be on either ESPN3 or ESPN+.
On a side note, I was watching the Notre Dame/Boston College FB game Saturday. There were no fans so the TV broadcast used fake crowd noise as has become customary for such games. The problem was the crowd noise was so turned up so loud it nearly drowned out the broadcast team. It continued over the entire game. Highly annoying. It also reminds me of a cheesy sitcom laugh track used to make something mildly humorous seem very funny. It is so unrealistic. This said, I wonder if the men's basketball TV and radio broadcasts are going to "pipe in" fake crowd noise. I hope not. I want to feel the game atmosphere the way the players and coaches are experiencing it - 13 bodies running up and down the court in an empty arena. Sneakers squeaking, players talking, coaches giving instructions during play, etc. The environment is what it is. Don't try to pretend it's something it isn't.
Luke Gore breaks it all down.
https://omny.fm/shows/union-street-hoops/the-2020-21-valparaiso-schedule-episode
We might have a chance to steal one at an SEC program, with the COVID-restricted audience. We tend to falter in front of big crowds.
My apologies for any initial complaints. I guess I wish we'd schedule like Northern Iowa is doing right now on a regular basis. But our schedule actually is comparable or better than that of Evansville and blows Drake's out of the water.
Here's Evansville's:
@Louisville
Prairie View A&M (Louisville MTE)
@UT-Martin
IUPUI
Eastern Illinois
@St Louis
SEMO
Belmont
Here's Drake's:
@Kansas State
South Dakota (KSU MTE)
Omaha
St Ambrose (Non D1)
McKendree (Non D1)
Air Force
@ South Dakota
Chicago State
North Dakota
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 20, 2020, 08:41:25 AM
My apologies for any initial complaints. I guess I wish we'd schedule like Northern Iowa is doing right now on a regular basis. But our schedule actually is comparable or better than that of Evansville and blows Drake's out of the water.
Here's Evansville's:
@Louisville
Prairie View A&M (Louisville MTE)
@UT-Martin
IUPUI
Eastern Illinois
@St Louis
SEMO
Belmont
Here's Drake's:
@Kansas State
South Dakota (KSU MTE)
Omaha
St Ambrose (Non D1)
McKendree (Non D1)
Air Force
@ South Dakota
Chicago State
North Dakota
And Missouri State!!!
No fans for MBB and WBB games in Nov/Dec, which is basically the out of conference portion of the schedules.
Any hint of women's non-con schedule?
For those with a dry-erase marker for the schedule... Trinity INTERNATIONAL has suspended basketball operations for the rest of 2020... I understand we've already replaced them with another D-III... awaiting official word.
Long time reader new poster: Really like this schedule. Anytime we get two Power 5 schools and three MAC schools that is good. Plus you want two low Division 1 games that you have a good chance to win to help the record. Not thrilled with the two NAIA games but understand it this year. Looks like travel considerations played a big role this year.
Quote from: talksalot on November 23, 2020, 10:24:46 AM
For those with a dry-erase marker for the schedule... Trinity INTERNATIONAL has suspended basketball operations for the rest of 2020... I understand we've already replaced them with another D-III... awaiting official word.
Eastern Illinois was scheduled to travel to the Hoosier state to play at Butler on the same day but Butler's program is on pause. This would be good game to pick up.
It would be nice if we could pick this offer up as a home game with Notre Dame
https://twitter.com/hoops_mvc/status/1332535167416741891
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/1332515238533541889
We have Purdue on the 4th.
Quote from: valporun on November 29, 2020, 10:28:43 AMWe have Purdue on the 4th.
Should not make a difference.
MTE's usually run three games in a row. Conference tournaments go three games in a row (for winners). Our conference games this year are going to be back to back days. We have the 5th open and he said they would travel, so let's go for it and see if they'll come to the ARC. Three games in a row is hard but Basketball is hard too.
Just don't want a golden opportunity go by without at least looking into it.
We also have had a much shorter preseason of practices due to quarantines - not sure it would be the best idea, health-wise, to run guys out there for 3 games in 43 hours.
We already have 4 games over 8 days scheduled. We don't need to risk health with a 5th game in 8 days, regardless of who wants/needs a game that weekend.
Quote from: VUBBFan on November 29, 2020, 11:54:32 AMQuote from: valporun on November 29, 2020, 10:28:43 AMWe have Purdue on the 4th.
Should not make a difference. MTE's usually run three games in a row. Conference tournaments go three games in a row (for winners). Our conference games this year are going to be back to back days. We have the 5th open and he said they would travel, so let's go for it and see if they'll come to the ARC. Three games in a row is hard but Basketball is hard too. Just don't want a golden opportunity go by without at least looking into it.
Golden opportunity for what? Another loss plus potential medical issues due to lack of recovery?
Quote from: JD24 on November 29, 2020, 03:07:04 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on November 29, 2020, 11:54:32 AMQuote from: valporun on November 29, 2020, 10:28:43 AMWe have Purdue on the 4th.
Should not make a difference. MTE's usually run three games in a row. Conference tournaments go three games in a row (for winners). Our conference games this year are going to be back to back days. We have the 5th open and he said they would travel, so let's go for it and see if they'll come to the ARC. Three games in a row is hard but Basketball is hard too. Just don't want a golden opportunity go by without at least looking into it.
Golden opportunity for what? Another loss plus potential medical issues due to lack of recovery?
My concern isn't about a loss, but 5 games in 8 days with no real chance to monitor health.
The MORE time the team spends together isolated from the outside world, the LOWER the risk of someone catching COVID and spreading it among team members. The SAFEST days are GAME days. Thus, relative to COVID risk, the MORE games in the same period the BETTER.
Quote from: wh on November 29, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
The MORE time the team spends together isolated from the outside world, the LOWER the risk of someone catching COVID and spreading it among team members. The SAFEST days are GAME days. Thus, relative to COVID risk, the MORE games in the same period the BETTER.
Vandy player had COVID and played. They are out of tourney next week.
Lucky for Valpo, the only students still around campus are the women's basketball team, and any students who can't go home because of distance and Covid issues in their home states.
Quote from: Pgmado on November 29, 2020, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: wh on November 29, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
The MORE time the team spends together isolated from the outside world, the LOWER the risk of someone catching COVID and spreading it among team members. The SAFEST days are GAME days. Thus, relative to COVID risk, the MORE games in the same period the BETTER.
Vandy player had COVID and played. They are out of tourney next week.
Im afraid you missed my point, but no big deal.
Quote from: wh on November 29, 2020, 04:54:01 PM
Quote from: Pgmado on November 29, 2020, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: wh on November 29, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
The MORE time the team spends together isolated from the outside world, the LOWER the risk of someone catching COVID and spreading it among team members. The SAFEST days are GAME days. Thus, relative to COVID risk, the MORE games in the same period the BETTER.
Vandy player had COVID and played. They are out of tourney next week.
Im afraid you missed my point, but no big deal.
I will hope for the best but expect the worst.
Quote from: wh on November 29, 2020, 04:07:54 PMThe MORE time the team spends together isolated from the outside world, the LOWER the risk of someone catching COVID and spreading it among team members. The SAFEST days are GAME days. Thus, relative to COVID risk, the MORE games in the same period the BETTER.
That's right. Let's play a game every day. Perfect health for everyone and Lakeside Orthopedics will be running a brisk business!
Quote from: JD24 on November 29, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
Quote from: wh on November 29, 2020, 04:07:54 PMThe MORE time the team spends together isolated from the outside world, the LOWER the risk of someone catching COVID and spreading it among team members. The SAFEST days are GAME days. Thus, relative to COVID risk, the MORE games in the same period the BETTER.
That's right. Let's play a game every day. Perfect health for everyone and Lakeside Orthopedics will be running a brisk business!
I appreciate your concern for player safety, but playing multiple games in a short time frame is nothing unusual in college basketball. Think back to last season. The Crusaders played 4 games in 4 days in August, 3 games in 4 days in November, and 4 games in 4 days in March.
Quote from: Pgmado on November 29, 2020, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: wh on November 29, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
The MORE time the team spends together isolated from the outside world, the LOWER the risk of someone catching COVID and spreading it among team members. The SAFEST days are GAME days. Thus, relative to COVID risk, the MORE games in the same period the BETTER.
Vandy player had COVID and played. They are out of tourney next week.
How did this happen? Don't they test up to and on gameday??
Notre Dame looked East instead of West!
While the allure of playing Notre Dame was appealing, the timing was off. Time to stay focused on a big week of basketball!!!!
https://twitter.com/NDmbb/status/1333512005072904196
Take out your whiteboard dry eraser...
Erase: Wednesday 12/16 MENS game with Eastern Michigan (* will be 2021-22 Home game). EMU played Adrian the other day with 6 players unavailable... and beat them by 60.
Hold your marker... and wait for it... don't know what IT is...
The Women's Game on Wednesday at 1pm Vs. Xavier in the ARC ought to be fun !
I have no complaints. 2020-21 season we need to be flexible. I don't care if we Have non-D1 Opponents this year with all of the cancellations and rescheduling taking place on the fly. Our team needs live minutes.
https://twitter.com/nwioren/status/1337817495026143233?s=21