https://youtu.be/7sb8xh69_Uw
Give credit where credit is due. With all of the indecisiveness about what universities are going to do in the fall, Valpo jumps ahead of the curve in an attempt to gain a competitive recruiting advantage. Very savvy.
Well done. Happy to hear the Campus will be open this Fall!
Quote from: vu72 on May 15, 2020, 12:07:37 PM
https://youtu.be/7sb8xh69_Uw
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Was that posted on April 24th? That was quite early.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 15, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
Quote from: vu72 on May 15, 2020, 12:07:37 PM
https://youtu.be/7sb8xh69_Uw
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Was that posted on April 24th? That was quite early.
Not sure what the April 24 date is all about, but it hit my Facebook page today.
April 24 was the date this video was posted on YouTube it looks like.
It is very good that Valpo made this announcement. Marquette made the same announcement today, which included moving the Fall schedule earlier and starting the Spring semester a little later.
Interesting that part of the message is directed at international students. Not sure that we are going to see travel bans lifted by the end of summer...and if they are lifted, will there be restrictions (14 day self quarantine).
I just hope this ends up being the right decision for the universities that are choosing this route. I have my reservations but I understand why they are doing this and I hope it works out for everyone.
Heckler said that Valpo "intends" to have face to face instruction. That's not the same thing as definitely 100% open. All schools intend to be open in the fall but reality might change that.
Quote from: mj on May 18, 2020, 06:59:54 AM
Heckler said that Valpo "intends" to have face to face instruction. That's not the same thing as definitely 100% open. All schools intend to be open in the fall but reality might change that.
Semantics aside, private universities are in a highly competitive market vertical that has reached its saturation point. If Valpo remains shuttered in the fall, it will likely suffer a financial disaster of epic proportions.
Quote from: wh on May 18, 2020, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: mj on May 18, 2020, 06:59:54 AM
Heckler said that Valpo "intends" to have face to face instruction. That's not the same thing as definitely 100% open. All schools intend to be open in the fall but reality might change that.
Semantics aside, private universities are in a highly competitive market vertical that has reached its saturation point. If Valpo remains shuttered in the fall, it will likely suffer a financial disaster of epic proportions.
Absolutely agree. Additionally, despite not fully being able to control the situation, university administration, faculty, staff, etc. must do everything within reason to make the campus as safe as possible AND create an honest perception (for students and parents) that it is safe (of course, you cannot guarantee safety 100%). Many of these people have had their pay cut temporarily, but they will need to really come through in the next several months.
No doubt that Valpo and many other schools are facing difficult decisions. If you open the school too early and kids get sick then...Valpo is done. No one is going to Corona U after that.
On the other hand, if Valpo and every other school is closed, then I think you have a better shot at weathering the storm. I would assume that Valpo already has most of their incoming class already lined up. Just a matter if keeping them at this point.
Quote from: mj on May 18, 2020, 06:59:51 PM
I would assume that Valpo already has most of their incoming class already lined up. Just a matter if keeping them at this point.
I have no inside knowledge about the incoming class at Valpo. On the positive side, Valpo has made some changes in the admissions and recruitment front that could improve their standing for the fall of 2020.
However, there is considerable uncertainty about the size of the incoming class at virtually every university. Most selective universities have made more admission offers due to the uncertainty in hopes of having a large enough class for the fall - what that means is that some students who would normally have come to Valpo may have offers at other selective universities where they might have been wait listed in other years. That strategy does not work for VU, as Valpo has a high admission rate to begin with (approximately 85% as of 2018) and reaches some natural limits if any semblance of quality is to be maintained. In addition, the usual decision timeline has been pushed back, as students are allowed to decide later this year than in the past.
Finally, some students may be deferring their admission or staying close to home. This might mean students take a gap year, or live at home and start at local university. That would be very difficult for Valpo, as the previous fall's entering freshman class was already the smallest in some time at 587 students.
Notre Dame is bring back students two weeks early and finishing the fall semester before Thanksgiving. Purdue is planning to bring students back. Valpo has no choice. They have the space to give every on-campus student their own room.
From the Torch
http://www.valpotorch.com/news/article_d80d01a2-99e1-11ea-b9fb-9bddf1948a3c.html?fbclid=IwAR1PAZXUu0jh5ioXqAKhtzoYOGfvUNZlOYteV-jODal8sFzilUjr0QGqojA
I assume that the early finish and late start to spring is to get around a possible, if not probable, re-ignitment of the virus during the winter?
Yes it seems that many schools are concerned about another peak in the fall as this seems to have some seasonality to it, plus the cold weather increases the amount of indoor time which seems to be the big way this gets passed around. Constant, indoor contact.
Some specific areas I wonder about: how do they do choir practices and indoor sports or exercise classes. All of these have been linked to spreader events. Do you prioritize testing for athletes/musical students?
In a perfect world we would have access to easy to administer rapid tests that are relatively reliable but without that sort of infrastructure is it all just a hope and a prayer?
Quote from: JD24 on May 20, 2020, 11:55:34 AM
I assume that the early finish and late start to spring is to get around a possible, if not probable, re-ignitment of the virus during the winter?
It is partially seasonality, yet the bigger issue is that the early start allows classes to finish by Thanksgiving break. The theory behind this is that it would be bad to have students depart for a week at Thanksgiving to parts unknown, then return for two weeks of class (with a few more new infections from travel), then head home again for Christmas. If they are done by Thanksgiving, then there is one less major return to campus to worry about.
Quote from: JD24 on May 20, 2020, 11:55:34 AM
I assume that the early finish and late start to spring is to get around a possible, if not probable, re-ignitment of the virus during the winter?
I recall hearing experts expressing great concern about having to deal with coronavirus during flu season. Typically, flu season reaches its peak during the elongated gap between semesters.
Yes I believe Flu season is November-March or so but I didn't even think about the travel factors for breaks and that seems like an even bigger concern than even flu season.
It seems to me that Valpo would be at a big advantage over other schools who don't have the number of dorm rooms available. Student X and his/her parents are nervous about Covid. Valpo says "you can have your own room" Butler says, "sorry, you'll need to have a roommate. Valpo wins that one.
Quote from: crusader05 on May 20, 2020, 12:11:38 PM
Yes it seems that many schools are concerned about another peak in the fall as this seems to have some seasonality to it, plus the cold weather increases the amount of indoor time which seems to be the big way this gets passed around. Constant, indoor contact.
Some specific areas I wonder about: how do they do choir practices and indoor sports or exercise classes. All of these have been linked to spreader events. Do you prioritize testing for athletes/musical students?
In a perfect world we would have access to easy to administer rapid tests that are relatively reliable but without that sort of infrastructure is it all just a hope and a prayer?
A group of university presidents met with Pence, DeVos and Brix last Thursday. My understanding (from one of those university presidents) is that universities are ramping up their own testing capabilities. The university president that I heard this from said that his university had acquired the equipment to process tests and was training people, but all of the university presidents told the administration that they needed access to an ample supply of testing supplies (they do not exist now). I don't think they were asking for a hand-out, but they need sufficient supply so that they can acquire enough at a reasonable price to meet their testing requirements. The degree that acquiring these supplies is successful will likely be a key part of whether sports and other larger group activities are allowed.
I was passing through the downtown area this afternoon and noticed Mileek (and someone I couldn't make out at a glance) walking down the street. I was a little surprised because I assumed the university (including the ARC) was completely closed to everyone, including the bb team. Hopefully, that's not the case, and the guys are still there working on their game. Can someone shed some light on this?
I would imagine he lives in an apartment off campus in town someplace.
Quote from: wh on May 20, 2020, 10:27:38 PM
I was passing through the downtown area this afternoon and noticed Mileek (and someone I couldn't make out at a glance) walking down the street. I was a little surprised because I assumed the university (including the ARC) was completely closed to everyone, including the bb team. Hopefully, that's not the case, and the guys are still there working on their game. Can someone shed some light on this?
As I recall from Oren's interview with Daniel Sackey, the guys are playing on the outdoor courts on campus.
Valpo has decided it will open a week early on August 17 and finish its fall semester final exams before Thanksgiving, November 24, with no fall break. Original schedule had classes start on August 24 and the semester finals ending December 18 with commencement December 20.
Following in the footsteps of many universities. Seems to be the national consensus. Hope it's the right one.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 21, 2020, 07:49:08 PM
Following in the footsteps of many universities. Seems to be the national consensus. Hope it's the right one.
Speaking of "following in the footsteps," apparently U. of California's campuses no longer require prospective students to take the SAT or ACT. I'm sitting here wondering if my alma mater (and Valpo) should be following suit, especially given the current environment. Any thoughts?
BTW, I understand generally why universities require the SAT/ACT and how they use them. What I don't understand is why, if they're deemed to be so important, the U. of California's huge public system has decided they don't need them at all. Also, if I recall correctly, someone on this board said Valpo's acceptance rate is something like 85%. Doesn't that mean they're not that far from accepting everyone, regardless of SAT/ACT scores?
U. of California Officially Removes SAT and ACT Requirements for Admissionhttps://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/22/u-of-california-officially-removes-sat-and-act-requirements-for-admission/
I'm not sure I want to have anything that is "California". :)
Not sure what Valpo's acceptance rate is, but I would imagine that it is pretty high. However, it is important to keep in mind that acceptance to the university and acceptance to specific programs can have very different criteria. While I am not sure that engineering (for example) can say that they require SATs or ACTs if the university were to not require them, they are going to make darn sure that you have a reasonable chance of handling heavy quantitative work. Thus, if a student wants to get into engineering, they may want to take either of those exams to show their strength in the quantitative side.
Of course, "those exams are culturally biased" (Neon Boudeaux)
Wake Forest made SAT/ACT test submission optional over 10 years ago. They have a 27.6% acceptance rate.
Quote from the school regarding this change:
QuoteIn May of 2008, Wake Forest announced that it would no longer require applicants to submit scores in standardized tests such as the SAT or the ACT. The policy went into effect with the class that entered in the Fall of 2009, and we're very glad we made the move. Ethnic diversity in the undergraduate population increased by 68 percent from Fall 2008, the final year in which scores were required, to the Fall of 2018. Furthermore, there has been no difference in academic achievement at Wake Forest between those who submitted scores and those who declined to do so.
Interesting fact about Wake Forest considering our recent move out of the Regional University classification.
QuoteWake Forest is the only college in the history of the U.S. News rankings to advance from classification as a Regional University to the Top 30 of the National Universities list. It combines the facilities of a research institution with a degree of faculty engagement most often associated with small liberal arts colleges. To put it another way: Yes, you can have it all.
Another issue that universities are starting to grapple with is liability and the ability of people to seek damages on the university. There has been some discussion nationally on this in regards to manufacturing and a little discussion on restaurants. But this is going to be a big issue for universities. My understanding is that few, if any, insurance companies are going to write policies to cover potential damage claims from students or employees who get sick from COVID-19 on campus. This leaves two options. The first is to have all students sign waivers - which I think would be flatly rejected by many students and could make the university look bad within and outside its community. The second option is that the state passes a law which prevents claims. I am not one to say "well pass a law" very often, but this is probably what is needed. However, a danger for private universities is that the state could pass such a law to protect its state universities more than its private universities.
Maybe some legal eagles can chime in but I'm not sure a waiver and, in particular, a state law would be ironclad enough to protect entities from lawsuits.
Quote from: JD24 on May 28, 2020, 01:13:13 PM
Maybe some legal eagles can chime in but I'm not sure a waiver and, in particular, a state law would be ironclad enough to protect entities from lawsuits.
I fully agree that nothing would be ironclad, but something will be needed to provide as much protection as possible from lawsuits.
For the record, California has some of best state universities in the Country. Cal-Berkeley, UC SanDiego and UCLA are highly ranked.
I think it's fair to say that, at most schools -- probably including VU, but perhaps excepting the schools that have fully committed to an online fall -- this is a work in progress that (1) won't get fully resolved and sorted until later this summer and (2) may have to turn on a dime if infection rates surge or a hotspot emerges.
Mostly via Facebook, I've been reading informal reports from academic colleagues across the country, and schools are all over the place on this. By necessity it's a very fluid situation, based on type of institution, risk tolerance, location, resources, etc. Meanwhile, public announcements from colleges, as some have suggested, may sound more resolute than they actually are because of other agendas, such as keeping enrollment yield and trying to reassure students & parents that the institutions are on top of things.
Also, keep in mind that the logistics of creating a safe campus environment for students and employees are significant. And you may be surprised at how many students are requesting accommodations vis a vis online learning options due to pre-existing health conditions (diabetes, asthma, etc.) that put them at greater risk if they catch COVID-19. So it's quite the administrative and instructional challenge to balance all of these valid priorities.
The University Of Illinois has the most ambitious plan so far. They are working on testing all students, a contact trace program, and setting up isolation dorms to quarantine students that have can't go home.
Quote from: David81 on May 29, 2020, 08:54:21 AM
I think it's fair to say that, at most schools -- probably including VU, but perhaps excepting the schools that have fully committed to an online fall -- this is a work in progress that (1) won't get fully resolved and sorted until later this summer and (2) may have to turn on a dime if infection rates surge or a hotspot emerges.
Mostly via Facebook, I've been reading informal reports from academic colleagues across the country, and schools are all over the place on this. By necessity it's a very fluid situation, based on type of institution, risk tolerance, location, resources, etc. Meanwhile, public announcements from colleges, as some have suggested, may sound more resolute than they actually are because of other agendas, such as keeping enrollment yield and trying to reassure students & parents that the institutions are on top of things.
Also, keep in mind that the logistics of creating a safe campus environment for students and employees are significant. And you may be surprised at how many students are requesting accommodations vis a vis online learning options due to pre-existing health conditions (diabetes, asthma, etc.) that put them at greater risk if they catch COVID-19. So it's quite the administrative and instructional challenge to balance all of these valid priorities.
I cannot speak for all universities, but the one that I work for (as well as Valparaiso- I think) are very resolute. There is no difference between what they are saying publicly and the actions being taken internally. They know that they may need to suddenly change and are accounting for that, but the clear focus is on face-to-face as much as possible.
Great point on accommodations, and I would go further that universities need to also accommodate students who start feeling sick or have had some exposure. My view is that all classes need to be held f2f with class sessions assessable remotely (live and recorded). Thus, you have the highest value offering (in person) and do the best you can to provide value to those who cannot attend in person.
Lastly....supplies are going to be critical for many businesses reopening and they are going to be critical for universities. I was on a call yesterday and it was clear that the availability of cleaning supplies, protective equipment large (e.g. plexiglass) and small (e.g. masks), and testing materials is woefully short of what is needed. I am very dubious that this situation is going to change in the next two to three months.
Valpo should be in very good shape particularly with Scheele off line but no doubt available for quarantine if nothing else.
Quote from: vu84v2 on May 29, 2020, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: David81 on May 29, 2020, 08:54:21 AM
I think it's fair to say that, at most schools -- probably including VU, but perhaps excepting the schools that have fully committed to an online fall -- this is a work in progress that (1) won't get fully resolved and sorted until later this summer and (2) may have to turn on a dime if infection rates surge or a hotspot emerges.
Mostly via Facebook, I've been reading informal reports from academic colleagues across the country, and schools are all over the place on this. By necessity it's a very fluid situation, based on type of institution, risk tolerance, location, resources, etc. Meanwhile, public announcements from colleges, as some have suggested, may sound more resolute than they actually are because of other agendas, such as keeping enrollment yield and trying to reassure students & parents that the institutions are on top of things.
Also, keep in mind that the logistics of creating a safe campus environment for students and employees are significant. And you may be surprised at how many students are requesting accommodations vis a vis online learning options due to pre-existing health conditions (diabetes, asthma, etc.) that put them at greater risk if they catch COVID-19. So it's quite the administrative and instructional challenge to balance all of these valid priorities.
I cannot speak for all universities, but the one that I work for (as well as Valparaiso- I think) are very resolute. There is no difference between what they are saying publicly and the actions being taken internally. They know that they may need to suddenly change and are accounting for that, but the clear focus is on face-to-face as much as possible.
Great point on accommodations, and I would go further that universities need to also accommodate students who start feeling sick or have had some exposure. My view is that all classes need to be held f2f with class sessions assessable remotely (live and recorded). Thus, you have the highest value offering (in person) and do the best you can to provide value to those who cannot attend in person.
Lastly....supplies are going to be critical for many businesses reopening and they are going to be critical for universities. I was on a call yesterday and it was clear that the availability of cleaning supplies, protective equipment large (e.g. plexiglass) and small (e.g. masks), and testing materials is woefully short of what is needed. I am very dubious that this situation is going to change in the next two to three months.
Excellent point, the supplies thing is huge. Heh, here in Boston, it's still hard to get toilet paper and hand sanitizer at the local CVS. I can only imagine thousands of colleges competing nationally with private, public, and non-profit institutions for all of these necessary supplies.
Another consideration: Too many central admins who do not teach have the wrongheaded idea that a professor can be teach effectively while simultaneously juggling multiple media teaching platforms: (1) f2f LIVE with very likely everyone wearing masks, spread out over large classrooms;
and (2) online LIVE with students using the Zoom app to "raise" their hand with questions;
and (3) while keeping in mind that other students may be watching an ASYNCHRONOUS recording. Modalities (1) and (2), in particular, may be incompatible for many courses. That combo works only if one is simply shoveling content.
David81 - Very good points and you sound like a conscientious teacher. I have taught MBA classes a few times with in-person students, remote live students, and the recording available for asynchronous. I was surprised how well it worked - but I also did it in a room setup for it. The A/V equipment just "turned on" at the beginning of class time and "turned off" at the end. You are right that teaching while having to run media platforms could be very challenging.
In related information, it has been decided that Valparaiso's Homecoming is canceled this year.
Valpo's plan for opening in the fall. Certainly a number of details that need to be worked out, but looks like a well-conceived plan.
https://www.valpo.edu/looking-forward/files/2020/06/06092020Safety-Plan-Valpo.pdf
A few of the many points in the plan:
-The university does not seem to be planning to do its own testing. This is probably reasonable given the size of the university, but continuity (for courses/faculty, for students, etc.) may be affected by lag times in getting test results.
-It is not decided yet whether intercollegiate athletics will start on time, but if they do they will start with no fans in attendance.
That's probably what the MVC presidents meeting this week is mostly about: how to restart athletics now that the COVID restrictions are being lifted to set the plan for the future.
Quote from: vu84v2 on June 10, 2020, 07:43:20 PM
Valpo's plan for opening in the fall. Certainly a number of details that need to be worked out, but looks like a well-conceived plan.
https://www.valpo.edu/looking-forward/files/2020/06/06092020Safety-Plan-Valpo.pdf
A few of the many points in the plan:
-The university does not seem to be planning to do its own testing. This is probably reasonable given the size of the university, but continuity (for courses/faculty, for students, etc.) may be affected by lag times in getting test results.
-It is not decided yet whether intercollegiate athletics will start on time, but if they do they will start with no fans in attendance.
Wow! What an incredible document. So well thought out and complete. Obviously, this will be very expensive and we should all pray Valpo can absorb these costs and remain viable.