Holy Cow we have a game starting in les than an hour and a half. Did we forget. Well here's a begining of a the game thread.
We're all slacking with initiating these game threads! High scoring game . I'm in Valpo for work , do any restaurants or anywhere in town stream VU games ??
Valpo 84
CMU 77
Quote from: VUBBFan on December 12, 2020, 02:06:56 PM
Holy Cow we have a game starting in les than an hour and a half. Did we forget. Well here's a begining of a the game thread.
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Quote from: VUSWIM08-12 on December 12, 2020, 02:37:55 PM
We're all slacking with initiating these game threads! High scoring game . I'm in Valpo for work , do any restaurants or anywhere in town stream VU games ??
Valpo 84
CMU 77
Maybe B-dubs if you ask. Since it's ESPN3 they might not know how to find it.
I was thinking B-Dubs too. You may try Radius downtown the owner is a season ticket holder so maybe. I'd call them first though before going.
It would be great to get a road win to get back to .500. Should be a good one!
With a mostly young / inexperienced team we are just going to have to get used to these kind of runs. Both for and against us.
Credit to CMU for hitting them, but this perimeter defense is horrible.
We're going to have a rough go in the mvc...that half of basketball was trash
What exactly is supposed to be the strength of this team? They look lost on the perimeter on both sides. This isn't a good three-point shooting team. Kpeogel's attempt at the end of the half was an accurate summary of what we saw in the first 20 minutes. Hopefully Lottich figures it out...
We struggle when Daniel is not in the game. Helms can't defend or score. Just brings it up the court. He's given up some wide open threes. Ziggy is not a D1 player. Can wait for the guard we have coming next year.
All CMU 3's have been wide open looks and they've hit them.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on December 12, 2020, 04:16:55 PM
Credit to CMU for hitting them, but this perimeter defense is horrible.
The perimeter defense could be better, but our interior defense was awful. Help that came too late, not boxing out, etc. Offensively, too much standing around, very few baskets in the flow of the offense. Just long jump shots and one-on-one drives to the basket and tough, forced up shots. All fixable in the second half.
Devontae Lane is owning Valpo.
14 Pt's first half. We need to establish an inside game. Chucking up 3's has not worked for Valpo so far.
We are making some really bad decisions- this team is pretty young though so hopefully that will be better by the time we get to valley play
How is it that as fast as sackey is, people drive right around him on defense like he is a practice dummy.
Overall I like the freshmen. The game is just a little too fast for them right now. A little too much thinking and not enough reacting.
Most of our horizon league teams would have killed this cmu team...just saying. Any talent this coach produces transfer.
Then when sackey has the opportunity to drive hard into the free lane he throws a wild 3 attempt :( :(
When it comes to starting/ending runs, making great plays/terrible mistakes, Sackey is the new Ali Berdiel.
We would have a better record if we played SIUE and Judson College more.
Missed the first half (not sorry). Credit for coming back and giving themselves a chance, but couldn't get it done again when it counted. I don't know what you can make of a game where so many fouls are called. I still don't see why Sackey is hoisting up threes in crunch time (or any other time for that matter).
Our freshmen and sophomores played 70% of our minutes and scored 75% of our points. Two excellent recruiting classes with great promise. Give them time.
Quote from: nkvu on December 12, 2020, 05:37:56 PMMissed the first half
Me too but I'll try to watch it later tonight to see how we dug that deep a hole.
At this point in time I'm liking this freshman class as well as or better than the Yeo, Adekoya, Davidson, Williams, Peters bunch. I know that comparison is going pretty far out on a limb but just a few games in and we can all fully understand why each was recruited. Lots to look forward to.
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 12, 2020, 05:36:21 PM
We would have a better record if we played SIUE and Judson College more.
I'll take a losing record playing schools like Purdue, Vanderbilt, UIC and CMU over a winning record playing Judson, PNW, and Mount St. Joseph. ;)
Agreed with nkvu, it's hard to draw too much from an ump-show like that.
But I'm getting the feeling that Lottich's system *requires* players with very high basketball IQs (Ognacevic, Barrett, Krikke, Clay, Edwards, Sackey) and if we can't fill the roster with them we round out with raw athleticism (Kpegeol, Robinson, McMillan, Morgan).
Which makes me wonder why crunch time sees guys from the second group on the floor. Maybe my read is all wrong, or maybe the hope is for athletic heroics to clinch the W... but I want to see the first group more when the chips are down.
Again, hard to divine much from this game given the lack of any cadence or flow, but if we're gonna fall back on "this is a young team", let's let the youth drive the bus.
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on December 12, 2020, 07:06:40 PM
But I'm getting the feeling that Lottich's system *requires* players with very high basketball IQs (Ognacevic, Barrett, Krikke, Clay, Edwards, Sackey) and if we can't fill the roster with them we round out with raw athleticism (Kpegeol, Robinson, McMillan, Morgan).
Which makes me wonder why crunch time sees guys from the second group on the floor. Maybe my read is all wrong, or maybe the hope is for athletic heroics to clinch the W... but I want to see the first group more when the chips are down.
My guess is that the level of experience is still higher with the second group and he thinks it balances out.
I missed this one, but will watch now. I've never watched a game that I already know the result, so this will be interesting!
I just noticed that CMU lost to Flagler by 19, which is a D-2 school coached by former VU Special Assistant Chad Warner.
I'm getting a head of myself, I know, but, I can't wait for Cam Palese to hit campus. A 6'5" point guard. Yesterday our point guards were just bad. They had Lavonte Dority and we had Daniel.
Quote from: vu72 on December 13, 2020, 09:12:42 AM
I'm getting a head of myself, I know, but, I can't wait for Cam Palese to hit campus. A 6'5" point guard. Yesterday our point guards were just bad. They had Lavonte Dority and we had Daniel.
Agree. Further, we don't seem to have that crunch time player who can create his own shot and hit it when the game is on the line. We have several guys who might want to be that guy, but none have shown they can do it successfully. Maybe he will emerge as the season goes on. What I see right now is a team made up of role players with some different skills who can succeed when put in the right situation, but no one who can just take over and win it for us.
Quote from: vu72 on December 13, 2020, 09:12:42 AM
I'm getting a head of myself, I know, but, I can't wait for Cam Palese to hit campus. A 6'5" point guard. Yesterday our point guards were just bad. They had Lavonte Dority and we had Daniel.
What was the story on Mileek?
On the +/- scale Daniel had our best number. Yes I know that is only part of the story but surprisingly Gordon also had a +6 number. An oversimplification but looks like our starters produced and our bench really struggled. My take is for the team to succeed Kpegeol and Edwards need to be predictable contributors. Neither played awful but when slatted to be a spark off the bench guy then you'd better be bringing some fire with that opportunity. Some of our defensive rotations with newer faces were also a bit clumsy.
I still do not know what to make of Helm. Obviously he can play but do his minutes help the team or slow the development of others? What is his ceiling? Thoughts?
This could be an uninformed opinion based on mostly box score watching but I think maybe we should be giving more minutes to our young guys (Barrett Ognacevic etc.) Also I hate to be so down on the direction of the program because it really does look like we're recruiting some real talent but you have to wonder if we don't turn it around soon if Krikke and Clay are going to want to stick around and build with us. I wouldn't be surprised if high majors are already sniffing around and our on court performance hasn't done much to make me think that they would want to stay if an offer came along.
Quote from: justducky on December 13, 2020, 10:36:16 AMWhat was the story on Mileek?
If anyone can figure that guy's psyche and what makes him suddenly "hot" hitting threes and not making stupid fouls that keep him out of the game then we need the genius on the staff immediately.
I dont think we have to worry about high majors stealing either Clay or Krikke at this point in the season. Neither has performed well enough to draw their attention.
I agree we should be focusing on player development as opposed to squeaking out every last win. That means Gordon, Robinson, and Mileek take a back seat to the young guys. Id argue the young guys are better anyway. The truth is Gordon, Robinson, and Mileek have been major disapointments, and to me represent the recent decline of our program all too well.
Start JO and feature Edwards and Goodnews prominently off the bench. Dont want to see much of Gordon, Robinson, or Mileek at all. Id even play Emil over Mileek.
Anyone watching the Last Chance U Basketball version on Netflix? It was released last week, and follows last season with East LA College (JuCo). Malik Muhammad was featured a lot, and he ended up getting a scholly from CMU, and played 10 minutes against us. He fouled out in that 10 minutes of action in his first game against us, and didn't do anything of value, but seemed to finish strong over the rest of the season. Two players from that team also ended up at Chicago State, in addition to USC, Sacramento State, Long Beach State, and a few other places.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4703561/malik-muhammad