Amazed that no one had posted this.
OK, I just saw it in the SIU thread.
Quote from: vu84v2 on January 15, 2021, 07:16:15 PMAmazed that no one had posted this.
I chose not to jinx us by starting a game thread so I guess you get the honors or condemnation. ;) Maybe we will show up looking like JFL is in the building and you can interpret that any number of different ways. I'm anticipating a good showing. :thumbsup:
Excited that this game is now on Valparaiso's schedule. Valpo could have taken the easy way out and scheduled a non D1 game where half of us fans would not have even tuned in. A lot is on the table. Playing against JFL is even a bigger bonus! We win major bragging rights! We loose I'll cry for days...:'(
Tip off can't come soon enough!!!
Really not feeling all that confident about this game but damn would it be nice to get this win. No ill-will towards JFL but you never want to see your ex doing better than you and it would be an amazing feeling get the W.
Tomorrow is a big opportunity. They need to execute. DePaul isn't the same bottom feeder Big East team they've been for the last decade. They're pretty good and have a lot of talent. DePaul is better and more talented than their record suggests.
Valpo 66
Depaul 62
Vegas has Valpo as a 9 point dog.
I don't think they are taking into consideration some of our players are taking this game personal with JLF on the other side. Plus we have had more practices together since Covid outbreak.
I will be taking my winning Valpo plus 9 ticket to the window and cashing in.
I have a feeling there could be a lot of frustration for us with this game.
Valpo 52
DePaul 68
Jamal Freedom Libertas scores 22.
I thought the game was scheduled for a 1pm start but it is now at 3.
Let Javon shoot from 3 all day. Don't let him drive.
Charlie Moore is a ball hog and is a "me first" player. I think he is keeping Javon from being better.
Look for us to get in early foul trouble as JFL and Moore will drive and we cannot defend that.
I think Javon is going to go off in this game... he is going to attack our guards. We're going to need Barrett to not get foul trouble and be a big factor in draining the open spot up 3s we get.
Valpo NEEDS to hit from 3 and work it to Ben and Donovan! It goes without saying defend the PAINT to stop the slashing to the rim.
JFL's knowledge of Valpo's offensive system is advantage for Depaul on D. For Valpo to win they will need to hit at least 8 3's and or drive to the hoop and get more free throws. Uncertainty with the offensive system and rotations are still being worked out. Also, do we have a full complement of players today? The talent is there but Saders still have much to work out as season goes on. 76-64 Demons. Hope I'm wrong.
Goodnews will be back but Nick is still out. It was originally speculated that Nick Robinson was out due to the birth of his child with his girlfriend but how long is typical paternity leave for a father 2 weeks? Maybe it's something else if he's still going to be out.
I'm not a father so I don't fully understand everything new parent's experience but guys at work normally took a week or 2 and were back at the grind. I can imagine it's a stressful time but also rewarding. My female co-workers obviously took more time and the Company offers maternity leave pay. I don't think the same benefits are offered for the fathers passed 2 weeks.
If his girlfriend did give birth, congratulations to him & his girlfriend on the newborn!
https://twitter.com/nwioren/status/1350535125956755458?s=21
Quote from: AB on January 16, 2021, 01:40:01 PMFor Valpo to win they will need to hit at least 8 3's and or drive to the hoop and get more free throws.
If JFL is cold from 3 and we limit his penetration to forced runners then we have a chance to contain him. I hope Sackey has taken a few thousand 3 point shots since our last viewing. ;D I was counting on Nick returning but Goodnews is good news and we have plenty of warm bodies wanting to compete.
McMillan has to show up, Sackey can't turn it over 4,679 times. Everyone has to play very well and we have a chance to keep it close. I took DePaul -9, prove me wrong Po'
You can get the start of the Valpo/DePaul game by clicking on the Valpo Athletics website video button and it will take you to a Fox Sports website.
Gordon with the high percentage 1 vs 4 break. Then we throw the ball to the wrong team off rebounds/ failed to grab the ball on a rebound on two straight possessions.
DePaul came shooting hot to start but really cooled off. We are losing this game for ourselves...
This team is not good at a lot of things
No fundamentals. Lots of standing around on offense. No one knows what to do. Groundhog Day.
Seriously this is a garbage performance on national television...
You watching this Mark LaBarbera?
Quote from: valpolaw on January 16, 2021, 03:44:40 PM
This team is not good at a lot of things
They're really good at taking the ball out of bounds after DePaul makes a basket. Lots of practice.
This is our 11th game of the season. Our only D-1 win is SIUE. I didn't expect us to win today, but we are getting WORKED on both ends of the court thus far.
If we ever get back to full roster strength, I'm sure we're better than this. But man. Can we manage more than four conference wins? Honestly, it's real hard for me to see that right now.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 16, 2021, 03:49:24 PM
Seriously this is a garbage performance on national television...
You watching this Mark LaBarbera?
I retract what I said last week regarding Lottich. This is a National embarrassment and if I'm MLB, I'm leaving Lottich in Chicago tonight.
Wow, this is root canal painful. Time for some lap swimming. Later.
Quote from: IndyEIT777 on January 16, 2021, 03:53:00 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on January 16, 2021, 03:49:24 PM
Seriously this is a garbage performance on national television...
You watching this Mark LaBarbera?
I retract what I said last week regarding Lottich. This is a National embarrassment and if I'm MLB, I'm leaving Lottich in Chicago tonight.
I understand this team hasn't been able to practice much but it shouldn't be this bad...
What is the excuse today?
Covid?
Youth?
Players out?
I literally have received 10 texts from buddies who maybe watch Valpo once a year and they are laughing. All of them are texting the coach has no plan.
This might be the worst game I've watched as a Valpo fan. The one difference from this and other bad losses since I've been watching is that I don't care anymore. Some people may say it took me too long to get to this conclusion, but I can't support Lottich at coach anymore. His teams lack any flow on offense, they always come out unprepared, and the roster he's assembled is pathetic. No reliable three point shooting besides maybe a freshmen, and a terrible point guard (with no back up point guard). No discipline it appears either cause it's the same mistakes every week with no improvement.
If Lottich pulls a Bryce and loses all conf games is he gone?
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1350559575972466694?s=21
Quote from: Chairback on January 16, 2021, 04:03:08 PM
If Lottich pulls a Bryce and loses all conf games is he gone?
Absolutely not. Valpo doesn't have the Cash to pay him to go away. And won't take that PR hit while in this economic environment.
Part of the rational side of my brain says we shouldn't put too much stock into this season with all the quarantines but Lottich hasn't built good will to earn the benefit of the doubt with his 4 years of tenure. He just hasn't earned it.
He deserves to be on the hot seat but being a small private institution makes it almost impossible for us to take action of firing him and paying for a new coach and staff. I want to say give him until the end of next season but I know in my heart the University and LaBarbera won't do a damn thing other than trot out excuses and talk about the Coaches character and give the same lip service.
Fans and Alumni deserve to be angry with the product we've seen the last few years. LaBarbera nailed the Women's hire but may have set his flagship athletic program back with the Lottich hire...
Maybe we are just as bad as we look? Is that even possible?
Could some of you steer me towards the panic button then stand back and allow me to push it? :(
Quote from: bbtds on January 16, 2021, 08:49:12 AM
I have a feeling there could be a lot of frustration for us with this game.
Valpo 52
DePaul 68
Jamal Freedom Libertas scores 22.
I wasn't expecting this much frustration. I wonder if Valpo can get to 52. Now Mileek & Donovan fight over a rebound when no DePaul player is around.
At this point I'm not even upset at Lottich. He is what he is: a bad coach. I'm more upset with Valpo leadership. They took the one thing that gave us national exposure, the thing that could raise enthusiasm among alumni and they pissed it away. What makes it worse is that it came after they saw how a success basketball program could change a school. See Butler.
Just a complete dereliction of duty at all levels.
If I'm not mistaken, it is the same leadership that ran the law school into the ground so I guess it's not surprising.
Turning this game off, can't stomach more embarrassment
The only positive from this game, is that JFL played like crap against his former school. Our team needs to learn how to make a shot around the basket, and not throw so many passes where they just expect the defender to remain stationary. Again, I can take bad shooting, but poor fundamentals are so annoying to watch game-in and game-out.
To follow up on my last comment. It's salt in the wound to think of what could have been. When Bryce left, the program was set up for a long run of success. There are a lot of good college coaches who would have loved taking over the program.
We could have ran a national search, which would have generated publicity and news in and of itself. And then wound up with a better coach!
Can we just let Mary Evans coach the men?
We don't have the shooters to play position-less basketball, like our women do ;)
Seriously how the hell did LaBarbera double down with an extension for this mess?
We can make all the excuses we want for how bad this game looked, and who should be at fault, but when the players don't move, don't show any kind of anything, and take horrible shot selection 101 like its a 3-credit course every semester, it's the players not putting in the time or effort to do their job on the court to be competitive. A coach can only do so much to flip the switch in game, but when the players aren't looking like they belong in D-I arenas, that's not the coaching staff's fault, since they aren't the ones taking the shots themselves.
The coaches aren't taking the shots but they are recruiting the players and they are responsible for assembling a roster that should be competitive
Fully agree on the players needing to own up to this mess, just as much as the coaches. By the time that you reach the D-1 level, you should be able to know when you are trying to out-rebound your teammate, with no opponent around...you should also know how to finish at the rim, when no one is contesting your shot.
Quote from: valpolaw on January 16, 2021, 05:30:36 PM
The coaches aren't taking the shots but they are recruiting the players and they are responsible for assembling a roster that should be competitive
Yes, the coaches are recruiting these guys, but that's how the Russian Roulette of Recruiting is played...you get the right players or you don't, but the only ones who make the coaches look like they did their job are the players who have to step on the court, and do their job. Sadly, you can't fire players like you can coaches. You can only bench players, and hope they improve from the demotion, or they'll leave on their own?
Well, it was good being able to watch Valpo on a nationally televised game.
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Lol. I'm wondering what Padilla was thinking about sitting there watching the train wreck live.
-how much are we paying this guy?
-wait, how many more years?!?
-do our guys know the ball is suppose to go in the hoop?
https://twitter.com/valpou/status/1350573669370769409?s=21
Quote from: valpotx on January 16, 2021, 05:22:09 PMWe don't have the shooters to play position-less basketball, like our women do
Good observation. For the most part our freshmen played like freshmen and many of our upperclassmen decided to follow suit. Am trying to remember the last time we stank up a gym that badly! At Texas A&M springs to mind from 2 years back and I think that game broke me from opening game threads.
If I find any positive takeaways I'll get back with you but don't stay up waiting on me. ;)
OK, this is your typical "there has to be a pony in there somewhere" post.
I actually saw some decent (almost said good) things today.
1. Without Sackey handling the ball we would have lost by 50. Decent line--9 point, 3 assists and 0 turnovers.
2. I really like Goodnew's game. We haven't seen very much of him but he has size and athleticism--8 points, 3 steals.
3. I really like what I saw from Edwards. The kid took JFL to the hoop!
4. Jake and Connor went 2 of 3 from deep. The rest of the team:1 of 12.
5. JFL is NOT ready for the League. Against VALPO, he goes for 7 points, 1 rebounds, 3 steals 3 turnovers and 1 steal--in 25 minutes.
I guess we need layup drills. I can't believe how many point blank shots we blew. It was ugly. The "good news" if there is any, is that other than Eron, everybody else is coming back. Hope springs eternal...
I needed valpo plus 19......
The players need to execute the game plan, but it's clear they don't know it or it has not been communicated well.
I'll just wash this game from memory and remember today for President Padilla. Perfect choice!
Words cannot describe.
This team is garbage so is the coaching staff.
Someone needs to sit down with Lottich and explain the best thing for his career long term is to ask for a reasonable buyout. Or maybe he just resigns. If he leaves now, maybe he can join a high to mid major program as a bench coach. Sure his record at Valpo looks bad, but he can point to his 2020 run at Arch Madness as a success.
His other option is to keep the guaranteed paycheck for the next few years and then be shown the door. Assuming the program remains a dumpster fire, 2020 will be a distant memory and he'll be looking at coaching a HS team somewhere.
Everyone needs a fresh start at this point.
19 for 23 from the FT line, which is another positive. On the negative side, Mileek took a step back, committing 5 turnovers in just 12 minutes. Was he a COVID case? Lottich mentioned that he was down 25 pounds on his last update.
This team just needs a complete overhaul roster wise. Unfortunately, for now, we have to play with what we have. So let's take a look at what we have and need.
Sackey: it's not about what he can do for me as much as what he can't do. And what he can't do is score. Our starting point guard is shooting *SIX PERCENT* from behind the arc. Oh okay, so he must be able to drive, right? Wrong. He can drive, but that doesn't mean he's very good at it. He's out of control and, besides the occasional finish, can't finish. Maybe some of it has to do with his height, idk. No mid range either. Plays too fast, out of control, can't run an offense, and can't score. His assist to turnover ratio is fine, but not nearly enough to outweigh the drawbacks. And besides, him shooting should statistically count as a turnover. Not what you are looking for from an upperclassmen point guard.
Clay: I'm not really sure what to think about Clay right now. He showed so much promise last year but just hasn't improved on court like I hoped so far. I see him shooting a lot more jump shots than I remember last year. 28 percent from three, exactly the same as last year. That's not good enough for a guard these days. He just hasn't impressed me so far this year, but as a sophomore and seeing him play well last year, still a lot of time for that to change. When he drives a lot, I really like what I see. The problem is that there is no space for him to drive with how clustered and dysfunctional this offense is. We'll see how he develops the rest of the year, and more importantly next year.
Krikke: I really like krikke in the post and that deadly mid range game he has. Today he was not able to finish, but not a recurring problem enough for me to complain. I can't wait to see him next year without all the quarantines and an extra year under his belt. My complaint here is that I really wish he wasn't our center. I know people want to play fast pace centerless basketball. That's fine and all but most teams at least have a strong athletic physical player to be the de facto center. Krikke is not that and we can't pretend he is. With his footwork and midrange game ( and even three point shooting if he reverts to last year), I really like his upside. I just think he's playing a little out of position. The problem is we don't have another option. We shouldn't have to rely on him to hold down the fort defensively in the middle and rebound. Not his game.
Nick Robinson: Hes a solid player, I can't argue with his statistics. Not a bad shooter, doesn't turn it over a lot. I feel like he would thrive coming off the bench on a good team. Unfortunately for him, he's not on a good team.
Eron Gordon: I am just not high on Gordon at all. He doesn't do anything well enough to earn playing time in my mind. I see him make soooooo many blunders. Unforced turnovers, tries to push the ball when it shouldn't be pushed. Hes a junior. His calling card is supposed to be shooting, and he can't even do that. 32% form three is not good enough for somebody that is supposed to hang their hat on shooting. I'd much rather see his minutes going to Connor Barrett.
Connor Barrett: Coming into the season, this is the newcomer I was least excited about. Now, the opposite is true. I really have lived what I am seeing from him. He is shooting 40% from three, and I have seen him get quite a few offensive rebounds for put-backs. Despite being thrown into a starting role as a freshman, he hasn't looked too scared. I have no doubt in my mind that, over the next few years, we see him have some big games where he just heats up from three and buries the other team. I cannot wait for those days. He needs to be playing more minutes than Eron Gordon.
Sheldon Edwards: On the flip side, I was most excited to see Sheldon play this year out of the newcomers. So far, he hasn't done much for me. He has been shooting a lot of bad shots in my opinion. He hasn't found his shot yet, but has had some flashes showcasing his driving ability. If he is able to work on that jump shot and be more aggressive driving, I could see him doing well. As of now, I hardly even notice when he is on the court.
JO: I'm not really sure about Jacob. He has proven that he can shoot the ball, shooting over 50% from three. But where does he fit in on a roster? Hes not the most mobile, not very strong yet, and doesn't have the footwork of krikke. As a freshmen, I think it's safe to say he will improve on all three of those. Will reevaluate later. As of now, Id like to see him on the floor a little more. What is there to lose?
Mileek: Correct me if I am wrong, but there isn't much Mileek has done right on the court this year. Last year, I thought he proved everyone wrong with his play and three point shooting. This year he retracted back to freshmen form. He looks awful. He had 5 turnovers in 12 minutes today. I am sure he is a great kid, but all of his minutes should be going to freshmen or sophomores that might impact this program later on.
Goodnews: This is the last guy I'll do because the rest of the team doesn't play regularly. There was a game or two that I thought he looked like a good glue guy, but overall just meh. Whatever, he's on the team and he doesn't usually do too much to hurt the team, which is a lot better than some other people.
Overall, I think this team is so poor because of
1. the lack of veteran plays and leadership. Mileek, Robinson, Sackey, and Gordon simply are not leading on or off the court from what I can tell. They just aren't good enough to lead on the court. Still seeing freshmen mistakes form Sackey, Gordon, and Mileek. As for leadership, this team doesn't seem to have any camaraderie or any fun on the court.
2. Our coaches aren't putting the players in a position to win. They need more set plays. They simply aren't getting the right people the right shots right now. JO is our best three point shooter statistically and is 5th in three point shots per minute. Mileek and Sheldon are both ahead of him, both shooting 30% or worse. He is ninth when not adjusted for minutes. We need three point shooting, and it is hard to come by on this team, so I think we need to see more JO out there. Besides that very specific nag, the offense looks like a jumbled mess that doesn't play to any of our players strengths and its looked like that for years without adjustment.
The stat I really like is that our Frehsmen and Sophomores account for 67% of our points and only 55% of our minutes. What I want to see us add next year is point guards and guards that can shoot. We are bringing in two point guards next year and that 6-8 guard that looks like he can shoot the three. Deaverio or whatever his name is looks like a pass first point guard, so hopefully he can run an offense. Cameron Palesse looks like he can score the ball left and right. I am exited to see that and maybe well actually have more than one or two people that can shoot a three without it being a turnover. I think well be stuck with Lottich for the remaining four years so I guess all we can all just hope for the best with regards to our freshmen, sophomores, and freshmen coming in next year.
Really good analysis - and this is one long season. We need more talent and better synchronization. What an embarrassment - and now the big topic is changing the nickname.
It is quite obvious that Mileek is not himself because of health problems and injuries as evidenced by his lack of playing time and poor performance when he does play. From strength to shooting he isn't getting the job done. The lack of practice time with a healthy and complete team, along with quality game times is also quite apparent. Agree that the season is a mess because of the virus and screwed up class times, etc. How many weeks has Krikke been out because of quarantine time? Wow! Just think of how much practice time and conditioning drills he alone has missed, along with continuity of playing with teammates. And he is one of our top, key players. As I have said for a long time, we have no decent point guard. Sackey cannot get the job done...can't finish at the bucket, shoot 3's or 2's for that matter, plays small like his height and is very, very inconsistent. For whatever reason the veteran players are not providing leadership as previously stated. I can't blame it all on Coach because he is working with a broken down team for various reason that are not his fault. Let's face it, no one even knows who has been out with the virus, still has it, who is still suffering and playing in a weakened state, or how many practices the team has missed, etc. We do know that the schedule is sure a mess through no fault of our own. I guess we just have to wait until next year, get the young guys some playing experience and hope we can find or develop a good point guard. Let's keep the faith!
Quote from: may know on January 16, 2021, 06:53:15 PMI'll just wash this game from memory
What game?
Basketball is more addictive than heroin and as such I've spent a lifetime of irrational servitude. I've just concluded it is high time for me to go cold turkey on the guys and focus instead on a higher quality, more reliable source for my unshakable needs. Fortunately Lottich is not the only dealer in town and I can get my next fix Tuesday night at 6:00 when Loyola comes to town to face coach Evans and our girls team. If I stray back over here with comments on the men then one of you should slap me and force me back to rehab at gun point if necessary. :o
Stepping aside for a moment from all this negativity, on a positive note I was thrilled this game happened despite a frustrating 19 point loss. Not sure who set this game up but Valpo could have taken the easy way out and just played a non D1 at home. The competition was needed and I'm glad they got to play DePaul.
Up next Loyola Wednesday night January 20th at the ARC.
What happened to Zion Morgan? Is he injured? He has to be a better alternative than Sackey. I always thought Zion should've gotten more playing time last year.
We have a lot of 6th men on our team. Guys that show flashes of great play, but should not be starters (Particularly the upper classmen).
If you think DePaul made us look bad, wait till Wednesday. Loyola beat UNI by 42! Yes, AJ Green didn't play.
If some think it is bad being a Valpo fan, how about the folks at Northern Iowa? Getting beat a second time/day at Loyola , and then by 40? I watched some of the game on TV and couldn't take it...UNI was terrible!
Quote from: valpo64 on January 17, 2021, 12:07:22 PM
It is quite obvious that Mileek is not himself because of health problems and injuries as evidenced by his lack of playing time and poor performance when he does play. From strength to shooting he isn't getting the job done. The lack of practice time with a healthy and complete team, along with quality game times is also quite apparent. Agree that the season is a mess because of the virus and screwed up class times, etc. How many weeks has Krikke been out because of quarantine time? Wow! Just think of how much practice time and conditioning drills he alone has missed, along with continuity of playing with teammates. And he is one of our top, key players. As I have said for a long time, we have no decent point guard. Sackey cannot get the job done...can't finish at the bucket, shoot 3's or 2's for that matter, plays small like his height and is very, very inconsistent. For whatever reason the veteran players are not providing leadership as previously stated. I can't blame it all on Coach because he is working with a broken down team for various reason that are not his fault. Let's face it, no one even knows who has been out with the virus, still has it, who is still suffering and playing in a weakened state, or how many practices the team has missed, etc. We do know that the schedule is sure a mess through no fault of our own. I guess we just have to wait until next year, get the young guys some playing experience and hope we can find or develop a good point guard. Let's keep the faith!
I read this and think yes, all that is true. But then I think aren't the other teams like Missouri State, DePaul and Southern Illinois going through the same thing with Covid issues? Why has it effected Valpo more than the Crusaders' opponents?
How can you guys throw Lottich under the bus every few games? He won three in a row including Loyola at the MVC in St. Louis. That's crunch time and the kids played very hard for him in the title game too. In fact they stormed back from huge deficits many times. I'm not an X and Os guy but I know an awful lot of you wanted to elect Lottich as Governor of Indiana in late March last year.
Duke, Kentucky, and North Carolina area all unranked for the 1st time since 1961.
No research here, but I know at least 2 of the 3 have bought fully in to the 1 and done era and usually lean heavily on Freshman/Sophomores. Could it be that young teams just don't stand a chance this season due to all the interruptions in practice time? Because you KNOW all 3 of those teams have top 10 talent.
I dunno. It is all very sad and very disappointing but I am not sure it is fixable this year. It sounds like Valpo has missed more practice time than most and with Robinson not playing lately our minutes are largely filled up with really young players or older players who should be role players and not "go to" guys. So it might just be a struggle the rest of the way and we are all gonna have to find a way to deal with it and look for baby step improvements that give us hope for next year.
I think you make some good points. It hasn't been mentioned much, but the lack of full practices has probably affected where we should be defensively, as well as offensively. I was watching the Butler Creighton game on Saturday and noticed that every Butler player was on his man like glue (think JFL and Kiser). Our freshmen don't play defense with anywhere near that level of physicality - yet. Making matters worse, Ben, Donovan, and Nick have never been particularly aggressive defenders, and Mileek can't defend without fouling. So we're left with a group of inexperienced players that have yet to make the transition to the college game at either end and minimal positive role modeling from veteran players. Until we learn to make it harder for our opponents to score/ wear them down, we're going to continue to struggle.
I agree with WH. I also watched the Butler-Creighton game and Butler's defensive intensity made them the dominant team the first half, a letdown early in the second half coupled with better defense by Creighton let Creighton back in the game before Butler regained some of its defensive mindset. Good defense set up the offense, something we were doing by tournament time last year, aided by the seniors who provided the leadership if not the steals (of JFL). Until we have the continuity of practices to improve our defense, we will struggle against good teams.