They play San Jose St tonight on the Pac 12 Network at 10 central. If "big dummy" is not doing the color commentary I will watch AND listen. If his mouth is running then I will still try to watch. ::)
So far they have beaten Tarleton St 62-50 and lost to Santa Clara 88-72. Can Matt deliver them a homecoming surprise?
Quote from: justducky on November 15, 2021, 07:48:32 PMThey play San Jose St tonight on the Pac 12 Network at 10 central.
Sorry but it looks like that report is partly erroneous. On my local comcast package I am getting Long Beach St at UCLA. Well somebody needed to open this thread and frankly I am not optimistic enough to have opened it without an additional reason. So Go Matt, and Go Valpo!
I hear crickets ??? ???
Is Ben playing? then there's your answer.
I don't think that Krikke was wearing his boot last Saturday. That is a good sign because he told me that last week after the Toledo game that when not wearing it the thing starts to hurt again. What a great win for Matt if he could beat his alma mater.
If Matt beats his alma mater, I will fall out of my chair in shock. I just hope they keep it within 20
It would be an honor to hear Bill Walton do this game and discuss the latest on the Conference of Champions. In the NCAA tournament last year, he defended the greatness of the Pac12 men and womens teams in their representation and performance while the overrated Big 10 truckstop schools went down. Walton is a legend for sure.
Valpo at +13, O/U at 133, Stanford isn't playing great basketball and was picked to finish 9th in the PAC-12, would be a great win but have we gelled enough to keep it competitive? Bill Walton's random hippie ranting isn't that bad, I actually enjoy it most of the time haha. Was our last PAC-12 game the win against the OSU Beavers? I think Steve Lavin was on that call and I thought he did a great job. Directv doesn't have the Pac-12 channel ughhh, Why don't they just have an option to buy a game? Dumb.
Valpo 68
Cardinal 67
Valpo won't be winning this one but I think they may cover the 13 point spread.
Right now they are 0-2 against the spread but that stuff evens out and corrects itself overtime.
Half my winnings staying in my pocket, the other half bought some Beacon hoodies.
Roxy Bernstein and Mike Montgomery on the call tonight. No Walton
Only way we win is if Ben comes back, limits Eron's PT, plays Slim, and Lottich learns how to sub properly so we aren't gassed in the fourth quarter. We did definitely cover the spread.
Quote from: JD24 on November 17, 2021, 11:52:43 AM
Roxy Bernstein and Mike Montgomery on the call tonight. No Walton
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This team has played extremely tight in all four games. They have the talent to win and they know they should be winning, and that is adding to the pressure. Perhaps being the underdog tonight will loosen things up a little bit. Ben was in the boot at the last game so I doubt he plays tonight.
No Red Head? Well that sucks. I hope the truck stop school destroys the Tree.
Game on 7:30 pm PAC 12 DISH Channel 406-01.
We're not going to be in this game for long without Ben. I know that will come as a disappointment to some, but success for mid major bb teams is more complicated than "next man up."
It's not Matt's fault...it's not Matt's fault (repeat until you get it).
I heard Ben is not playing. That will make winning harder but not impossible. Maybe lightening will strike.
Now that Ben is out, I have a bad feeling we're going to get blown out. Stanford is going to try and take Kithier out of this game and I just don't know where our points are going to come from if they are successful. Besides Taylor, no one else has been consistent for these first couple of games.
I also think since the AP teams, we get shell shocked playing the Power 5 schools and I feel like our non Big Ten transfers are going to struggle with facing a PAC-12 school tonight. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm bracing for the worst.
Connor Barrett in the starting line up
10-1 run for Stanford to start, Taylor gets 2 quick fouls, this is looking extremely grim, how does our fearless leader settle the troops now???
Valpo will be lucky to score 20 by halftime.
Another thing I am sick of hearing from Lottich teams..."this guy hasn't made a 3 all year and he's made multiple tonight"...WHY CAN WE NOT DEFEND THE THREE???
This is...not a good team.
I think it's time to release Eron Gordon.
Quote from: mj on November 17, 2021, 08:06:15 PM
I think it's time to release Eron Gordon.
Probably not but the head coach can be.
Lottich needs to be left at Stanford after this game. This is his FIFTH season and he still does not know how to come up with a gameplan and does not know how to adjust to in game situations. Ben and Kobe coming back are not going to save this team.
I'm glad I didn't pay to see this mess (and now watch for a major comeback!) but if not, we are in BIG trouble. We have been lied to about Ben. This isn't a sprain or he would be back by now.
If I were Matt I would start getting my resume in order. President and Mrs. Padilla are at the game and hosted a pre-game party. He won't be happy.
My daughter called me and asked what I was doing. Told her listening to Valpo game. She hasn't seen them play In 2 years and goes do they still look lost on offense.
QuoteIf I were Matt I would start getting my resume in order. President and Mrs. Padilla are at the game and hosted a pre-game party. He won't be happy.
Agree. I get these sense that 1) President Padilla understands the importance of basketball and 2) does not tolerate poor performance.
Lottich doesn't stand up for his players at all , horrible , come on Matt get a T. We're playing badly , fire them up , great pass from Kevion for the wide open 3. That's great basketball but 90% of that first half was shat !
Abysmal! Effort without purpose. No cohesiveness - especially on the offensive end.
So I presume Emil is hurt or some such thing as he isn't playing. Shocking, just shocking. :(
Brutal
Todd looks very lonely.
Isn't it weird how every team shoots lights out against us? Matt Lottich sure is unlucky!
Quote from: mj on November 17, 2021, 09:00:40 PM
Isn't it weird how every team shoots lights out against us? Matt Lottich sure is unlucky!
And it's not just the other team's best shooters, its including guys who never make 3s against any other team, just embarrassing
Quote from: vu72 on November 17, 2021, 08:41:57 PM
So I presume Emil is hurt or some such thing as he isn't playing. Shocking, just shocking. :(
In the UIC post game press conference Lottich mentioned that EF-V had an respiratory infection of some kind.
I am smelling a "bad beat" here.
What happened to Connor?
Edwards and Young go 3-15 from 3. Rest of team goes 5-12...
That fact that we "only" lost by 14 doesn't really tell the story of the game. We lost this game before the first media timeout. One of the worst performances by a Valpo team in recent memory.
Quote from: Chairback on November 17, 2021, 09:16:13 PM
What happened to Connor?
Good question. How does anybody get into a comfort zone when they are jerked ALL the time?
Quote from: vu84v2 on November 17, 2021, 09:14:34 PM
I am smelling a "bad beat" here.
Would have been a bad beat without a bad turnover and then a bad shot at the end.
Here are two stats that say a lot:
Valpo's assist to FG ratio: 6 to 21.
Stanford's assist to FG ratio: 18 to 25.
Teams shoot well from three on Valpo because the defense falls apart when the opponent reasonably moves the ball and/or when they set a screen. The rotation on defense just is not there and guys get lost on screens.
I'm not sure what experience this team is getting from the out of conference schedule except how to lose to different level teams in different ways. A solid loss to a good but still division ll team. How to lose close to an even better but still division ll team. How to lose even closer to a mid major & now how to lose worse than the score reflects to a P5 team. Would it have killed Matt to schedule one bunny so the team could actually experience what it's like to win a game? I don't know, maybe there's a winnable game in the upcoming tournament. Of course if Kithier's hurt we could go 0 for out of conference.
Valpo 0-3 against the spread.
My vote for a 1-6 November is shaping up pretty good.
After the Toledo game I said that I was writing off the non-conference portion of the season, and I have as I await the conference portion with a full complement of players supposedly to appear on the court. Yet, following tonight's game coupled with the news about Loyola moving up to the A-10, I am painfully reminded of this program's seeming descent in quality in recent years. At one time in the Horizon League, Valparaiso's rival was Butler. Some of the best games ever were matches with the Bulldogs. However, Butler went to the Final Four in 2010 and 2011 (both years making it to the championship game), then advanced to the Big East. When Valpo entered the MVC, the logical rival was Loyola, who had come from the Horizon League and made the Final Four in 2018, but is now moving from the MVC.
One has to wonder why our rivals, those we would hope to be judged against as peers, have had such success while this program has been mired in mediocrity so much that the wish each year seems merely the lowered expectation to maybe avoid the play-in round at Arch Madness, and we are left with memories of a Sweet Sixteen achieved before any of the current students were born. Indeed, even tonight the 12-1 deficit at the first media timeout appeared so familiar and not surprising. I can only conclude that if there were more changes than just the mascot name of the team (which hasn't yet witnessed a win), particularly as anticipated after the celebrated move to the MVC, VU might have been experiencing a higher trajectory as well.
0 points, 2 turnovers, 25 minutes played
Can anyone guess who these stats belong to?
I'm beginning to believe no matter how bad this person plays he will get over 20 minutes per game.
Total stats for 3 games are 2 games started, 2 points, 72 minutes, 24 minutes average per game, 5 turnovers.
Quote from: Valpo89 on November 17, 2021, 09:41:48 PM
My vote for a 1-6 November is shaping up pretty good.
I think Valpo will pull out one of the games in the Bahamas by 1 or 2 points when Anderson, Edwards, Taylor or Barrett has a good scoring game. The Beacons get 2 wins in November.
Quote from: mj on November 17, 2021, 08:17:29 PM
QuoteIf I were Matt I would start getting my resume in order. President and Mrs. Padilla are at the game and hosted a pre-game party. He won't be happy.
Agree. I get these sense that 1) President Padilla understands the importance of basketball and 2) does not tolerate poor performance.
We hope. We will see.
Ever since Lottich took over he and his coaching staff have been obsessed with +/- statistic and they make most of their substitution decisions based on that. I knew early on that Connor Barret was going to see very little action because in the six minutes he played in the first half he was -17 points, while during most of the game when Gordon was on the floor he was in the plus column, while ever other player was minus. At one time in the second half, Lottich had Gordon, Hedstrom, Young and Woodward on the floor; I don't remember who the fifth player was. At that time they were all at 0 or plus column. This statistic drives me nuts. I find it to be very random and doesn't meet the eye test. Connor played three more minutes in the second half and he ended up at -8. He must have learned his lesson and played better in the second half when he got in there-I don't believe it, but you can believe that Lottich does.
In the words of Mike Ditka, statistics are for idiots.
QuoteEver since Lottich took over he and his coaching staff have been obsessed with +/- statistic and they make most of their substitution decisions based on that.
If true, this explains quite a bit. If Lottich is just following the numbers, then I fail to see what value he is adding to the program. Can that even be considered coaching?
I know it's only three games into the season, but unless we have a major turnaround, I think Lottich is a dead man walking.
Quote from: bbtds on November 18, 2021, 01:48:57 AM
Quote from: Valpo89 on November 17, 2021, 09:41:48 PM
My vote for a 1-6 November is shaping up pretty good.
I think Valpo will pull out one of the games in the Bahamas by 1 or 2 points when Anderson, Edwards, Taylor or Barrett has a good scoring game. The Beacons get 2 wins in November.
My vote for November 0 - 7 looks good :(
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 18, 2021, 06:27:03 AM
In the words of Mike Ditka, statistics are for idiots.
Here'e a stat for you Valparaiso now ranked #238 in the country :o How low can we go and think the program can be turned around ???
KenPom Ranking 254
Quote from: tjjvalpo on November 18, 2021, 05:58:21 AM
Ever since Lottich took over he and his coaching staff have been obsessed with +/- statistic and they make most of their substitution decisions based on that. I knew early on that Connor Barret was going to see very little action because in the six minutes he played in the first half he was -17 points, while during most of the game when Gordon was on the floor he was in the plus column, while ever other player was minus. At one time in the second half, Lottich had Gordon, Hedstrom, Young and Woodward on the floor; I don't remember who the fifth player was. At that time they were all at 0 or plus column. This statistic drives me nuts. I find it to be very random and doesn't meet the eye test. Connor played three more minutes in the second half and he ended up at -8. He must have learned his lesson and played better in the second half when he got in there-I don't believe it, but you can believe that Lottich does.
While there may be a little value to this, I'd point to Preston who had the highest +/- of the exhibition games and he has yet to play in the regular season.
Kithier was banged up. Any word on him?
One slight positive was that Hedstrom looks more mobile with a bigger upside than my first glance conclusions. In the old days I would be looking forward to his development because of the eventual future payout in additional wins. Nothing against Joe but in this me-first, no penalty or obligation world of instant gratification I honestly don't know if concentrating on his development is a winning strategy? I almost hate myself for having to think like that.
I don't see a W on the schedule until we play Trinity. Trinity lost to UIC by 50
Quote from: oklahomamick on November 18, 2021, 12:56:10 PM
I don't see a W on the schedule until we play Trinity. Trinity lost to UIC by 50
Whew! It'll be a squeaker but it will be good to put up a W
VALPARAISO
Points off TOs: 14
2nd Chance Points: 4
Points in the Paint: 20
Fast Break Points: 10
Points off the Bench: 14
Ties: 0
Leads: 0
STANFORD
Points off TOs: 23
2nd Chance Points: 7
Points in the Paint: 22
Fast Break Points: 6
Points off the Bench: 45
Ties: 0
Leads: 0
There are some positives in there I suppose over previous games.
After watching this game, I'm impressed with Taylor Anderson.
I think he just decided that he's tired of losing, he's tired of passing the ball to someone who makes a bad shot.
He's probably thinking:
I'm sick of losing.
I know how to play this game and put up numbers so I need to be more selflsh and start taking it to the opponent and get to the line.
I'm going to start being a major contributer on this team rather than passing the ball all of the time, period.
This is ridiculous people. Enough of this losing.
I like the change in his play and his attitude and his reaction to always losing. He should keep it up.
Quote from: tjjvalpo on November 18, 2021, 05:58:21 AM
Ever since Lottich took over he and his coaching staff have been obsessed with +/- statistic and they make most of their substitution decisions based on that. I knew early on that Connor Barret was going to see very little action because in the six minutes he played in the first half he was -17 points, while during most of the game when Gordon was on the floor he was in the plus column, while ever other player was minus. At one time in the second half, Lottich had Gordon, Hedstrom, Young and Woodward on the floor; I don't remember who the fifth player was. At that time they were all at 0 or plus column. This statistic drives me nuts. I find it to be very random and doesn't meet the eye test. Connor played three more minutes in the second half and he ended up at -8. He must have learned his lesson and played better in the second half when he got in there-I don't believe it, but you can believe that Lottich does.
+/- is a meaningless statistic over a 6-minute span, which I'm sure is your point. It's even of limited value looking retrospectively over the entire game. For example, if a bench player has a better +/- than the player ahead of him, did he perform better or did he have more possessions against back-up players. There are a hundred other scenarios like that would render a +/- comparison useless on a micro level.
That said, over time +/- becomes a far more reliable indicator of which players are making the greatest impact when they're in the game. For example, if I were to go back and look at the Ryan Broekoff seasons, I would expect to see Ryan with probably the best +/-. Offensively, he was a great scorer and drew a lot of opposing team fouls. On the other end he was a great defender and rebounder. He was also a great teammate, completely unselfish and just as happy with an assist as a basket (sometimes to a fault).
QuoteI think he just decided that he's tired of losing, he's tired of passing the ball to someone who makes a bad shot.
He's probably thinking:
I'm sick of losing.
I know how to play this game and put up numbers so I need to be more selflsh and start taking it to the opponent and get to the line.
I'm going to start being a major contributer on this team rather than passing the ball all of the time, period.
This is ridiculous people. Enough of this losing.
I like the change in his play and his attitude and his reaction to always losing. He should keep it up.
One thing I said to to a friend was that the team feels like a bunch of players who have been role players waiting for the star to come in and help them. There is no star coming. Noone is going to carry this team away to victory, even if Krike gets back soon it's not gonna happen. Either some players need to step a bit more ie Taylor and some players need to realize it's on them to make more things happen and start playing like no help is coming.
Quote from: crusader05 on November 18, 2021, 03:42:35 PM
QuoteI think he [Anderson, not Taylor]just decided that he's tired of losing, he's tired of passing the ball to someone who makes a bad shot.
He's probably thinking:
I'm sick of losing.
I know how to play this game and put up numbers so I need to be more selflsh and start taking it to the opponent and get to the line.
I'm going to start being a major contributer on this team rather than passing the ball all of the time, period.
This is ridiculous people. Enough of this losing.
I like the change in his play and his attitude and his reaction to always losing. He should keep it up.
One thing I said to to a friend was that the team feels like a bunch of players who have been role players waiting for the star to come in and help them. There is no star coming. Noone is going to carry this team away to victory, even if Krike gets back soon it's not gonna happen. Either some players need to step a bit more ie Taylor and some players need to realize it's on them to make more things happen and start playing like no help is coming.
Oops, I meant
Anderson, not Taylor. My bad.
Quote from: Just Sayin on November 18, 2021, 03:45:41 PM
Quote from: crusader05 on November 18, 2021, 03:42:35 PM
QuoteI think he [Anderson, not Taylor]just decided that he's tired of losing, he's tired of passing the ball to someone who makes a bad shot.
He's probably thinking:
I'm sick of losing.
I know how to play this game and put up numbers so I need to be more selflsh and start taking it to the opponent and get to the line.
I'm going to start being a major contributer on this team rather than passing the ball all of the time, period.
This is ridiculous people. Enough of this losing.
I like the change in his play and his attitude and his reaction to always losing. He should keep it up.
One thing I said to to a friend was that the team feels like a bunch of players who have been role players waiting for the star to come in and help them. There is no star coming. Noone is going to carry this team away to victory, even if Krike gets back soon it's not gonna happen. Either some players need to step a bit more ie Taylor and some players need to realize it's on them to make more things happen and start playing like no help is coming.
Oops, I meant Anderson, not Taylor. My bad.
I couldn't agree more. We've got 3 guards splitting time - Trevor, Eron, and Darius. I like Eron personally, but he has completely lost his way. He's just killing any chance we might have. Darius is a ball distributor and a freshman to boot. Trevor is going to have to score 12-15 points consistently and play very heavy minutes, at least until Kobe is activated and gets acclimated.
BTW I suppose Connor is also a guard. At this point I don't know what he is other than completely lost. It's 1 thing to be rusty, but he and Eron both look like they've never played college basketball before. WTF is going on with these guys? They look like they have COVID fog.
Ironically, I knew you meant Trevor and that's who was in my head while typing even as I put Taylor. But I do think Taylor will also continue to step up as the season moves on as well.
I am not going to over react just yet. Still missing arguably our two best players and we played three "decent" teams. The only one we were really out of the whole game was this one.
The poor shooting is concerning as that was supposed to be one of the big improvements from the last few years, but hopefully that comes along.
Its an ugly start for sure, but I still have hope. So much so that I actually put money on Valpo to win the conference (at +5000, knowing the two players we are set to get back, why the hell not take a swing). I know that's probably $20 down the drain, but hey a man can hope.
Gordon is still hurting the team more than he is helping. Why the minutes?
Quote from: Just Sayin on November 18, 2021, 04:13:53 PM
Gordon is still hurting the team more than he is helping. Why the minutes?
Eron should be out and Slim in. Bahamas lineup 1-Trevor, 2-Sheldon, 3-Keyondre, 4-Kevion, 5-Thomas.
BTW, I now see if we lose game-1, we're only going to play 2 games instead of 3. Bummer.