https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1480227848539549707
Jake's coaching debut can be seen on the Big 10 network at 4:30 CT.
Hopefully Jake Diebler can be our head coach next season.
Another gritty player that was all about defense first-man do I long for that again. I honestly think That Matt has lost this team. He doesn't hold players accountable and his offense scheme sucks!
6 years is enough tape to know Lottich isn't the guy. Mark LaBarbera (AD) needs set aside his personal relationships/feelings and do what is best for the program and the University.
It's time. At certain point the excuses need to stop.
https://twitter.com/ohiostatehoops/status/1480228777275789312?s=21
https://twitter.com/valpo_hoops/status/1480291135142735872?s=21
Who says that Jake would want to be the HC at Valpo? He very much seems to have Power 5 ambitions, so he wouldn't be our long-term fit, either. I would rather have Tonagel, who is more likely to spend 5-10+ years here.
I think we're going to be disappointed if we're looking for the next Homer Drew. I'm ok if we keep a coach for a few years and then they move up to a Power 5 conference because they're successful at Valpo. Butler and Loyola have figured it out. I'd like to see Valpo do something similar.
Easy choice, Tonagel. MLB better be sending him "how you doing" texts at this point.
Worried if Tonegal could make the jump. Concerned it may be another Dale Carlson experience.
Quote from: valpotx on January 09, 2022, 07:04:09 PM
Who says that Jake would want to be the HC at Valpo? He very much seems to have Power 5 ambitions, so he wouldn't be our long-term fit, either. I would rather have Tonagel, who is more likely to spend 5-10+ years here.
I don't know Jake personally but he was an assistant coach at Valpo from 2011-2013 and left to become video coordinator under Thad Matta at Ohio State. Judging how he was willing to take a "lesser" coaching role on a Power 5 staff like Ohio State, I have no doubt he wouldn't be sticking around if he had major success at his alma mater, Valparaiso. Heck, Bryce Drew left. It is what it is. That's college back basketball these days. Don't fight the incentive structure. The hope would be that if Jake took the job and found major success, he'd leave behind an assistant or two who would be qualified to take the reigns. Under Bryce Drew, that Coach would have been Roger Powell and he turned down the job. The choice then came down to Lottich or Gore because MLB wanted to hire from within, which honestly made sense for the short-term and retaining that stacked Senior Class that included AP. Hindsight is 20-20 and it hasn't really worked out with Lottich. Valpo has become a mediocre program in a great mid-major conference. I was a big Lottich supporter at one time and wanted to give him every opportunity. After this season he's had enough of them. He's not a horrible coach but he's not a good one either. Admitting that doesn't make someone any lesser of a fan.
Mark LaBarbera and President Padilla need to make a change after the season, imo.
Quote from: Chairback on January 09, 2022, 07:47:49 PM
Easy choice, Tonagel. MLB better be sending him "how you doing" texts at this point.
I've shared my concerns about Greg in the past on the forum. I have no doubt he has the coaching chops from an Xs and Os stand point. Maybe it would work, I don't know. I have questions about recruiting at an MVC level. My first call would be Roger Powell. I don't think he'd take the job as he's already turned down an offer once and his star is burning pretty hot right now. I doubt he takes it but you shoot your shot. Then Jake, and interview Greg. Maybe he's a fit. You never know.
But honestly I don't have faith that the AD would even entertain a Coaching switch now. He's content with mediocrity and excuses.
Tex what's wrong if Jake only stays short term?
Our players only stay 1 maybe two 2 years.....
Need a coach that can get us back to winning like we used too. When a program is winning it's easier to get a proven/better coach.
If Jake coaches like he played basketball, we need that kind of winner. I loved Jake's attitude, his hustle and the little things he did to help the team win. Very high basketball IQ which is what one should expect from a coaches son.
NAIA to Div. 1 is a huge jump and a different job, that all I am trying to say...
Success is success. It can translate. Bo Ryan, Jay Wright, Pearl, Andy Enfield (FGCU) the guy at Texas. All worked their way up, found success.
I think Dale Carlson was an NAIA coach. We saw where that went...I know, it's football, different sport for Valpo. But NAIA is a big jump.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 09, 2022, 10:55:45 PMI don't have faith that the AD would even entertain a Coaching switch now. He's content with mediocrity and excuses.
So lets see now...
The AD has fired at least two football coaches
The AD has recently fired the Softball coach
The AD fired the women's basketball coach
The AD has eliminated two entire programs
The AD does what has to happen. He knew Matt would take some time to develop and he has given him that time. I we fail miserably (like 8, 9 or 10) I wouldn't be shocked to see him make a change. Remember, the President is a no-nonsense guy who also understands the importance of winning basketball programs.
Quote from: vu72 on January 10, 2022, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on January 09, 2022, 10:55:45 PMI don't have faith that the AD would even entertain a Coaching switch now. He's content with mediocrity and excuses.
So lets see now...
The AD has fired at least two football coaches
The AD has recently fired the Softball coach
The AD fired the women's basketball coach
The AD has eliminated two entire programs
The AD does what has to happen. He knew Matt would take some time to develop and he has given him that time. I we fail miserably (like 8, 9 or 10) I wouldn't be shocked to see him make a change. Remember, the President is a no-nonsense guy who also understands the importance of winning basketball programs.
I hope you're right. I genuinely want it to work out with Matt. He and his Assistant are A+ Guys and I badly want Coach Gore to stay with the program. The 6 years is just a long enough leash. There is a consistency of lack of creativity and long spells of offensive struggles.
At a certain point we need to see results. The guy can recruit but coaching there are major concerns. I feel like a lot of coaches that have relationships or connections to the program could do a lot more with this roster and get better and more consistent results with this roster. Wouldn't shock me if Lottich was back next year, in fact I expect it. I don't know what his contract looks like. I know he got an extension of some sort.
I love this program but I'm sick of watching the same errors and issues with the play on the court. MLB has to know at this point another Coach could get more out of this roster. The trick is finding a Coach who is a culture fit, embraces the University, can recruit a high level with the state of our facilities, and be an excellent leader and Xs& Os Coach and can get players to execute.
Long time lurker first post
I'm amused how " fans" of the program seem to think they are more knowledgeable about Athletics and particularly basketball than :
1. An Athletics Director that has been at an ACC school and knows what a successful program looks like
2. A coach that played in the PAC 12
And both I'm sure have access to some of the top people in the country in regards to the management of a program
Honestly- unless someone on the board has better credentials than the above perhaps leave the process of improving the program in a much tougher conference - in much more competitive times to those you constantly second guess.
I'm assuming no one does-
2003, we just want to win like we have in the past. That has not happened in years.
We are going backwards, not forwards.
Also, just because you have "credentials" doesn't mean you will have success. It means you should be able to do the job but if you can't a change is needed.
Also, the fans on this forum are long time supporters of the program. The number of us is dwindling and when you go backwards it's hard to gain new fans. We know the programs past and we know what it's capable of. But most of all we have deep pride of the program and want it to be nothing but successful again.
It can be hard to accept and hear when the job is not being done right. But these high profile and high paid jobs come with a lot of expectations. You have to win.
The basketball program and it's success has a massive impact on the university and it's image. Reference Butler, Loyola, and the Valpo of old.
Bringing up a job at NC State from 20 years ago?
Lol, found ML's burner account.
In 1998, I was a first year season ticket holder, but a long time observer of the program, watching what Homer Drew was building. I was fortunate enough to be at the sweet sixteen win in person and see the tears of happiness from the Alumni that had supported the program that allowed Valpo to move to Division 1 basketball in the early 80's. It was a special time. I have been there every year since going to all of the conference tournaments, NCAA and NIT games. My heart hurts from what I have watched since the Drew's have left the building. I have questioned Matt Lottich's coaching style from day one. It is not and has not been whar was successful in the past. That was the logic in which Lottich was hired under, but MLB didn't dig deep enough with what scheme he was going to run. I see little if anything of what was run under the Drew's. The values that were held to building a great team have been abandoned. Matt has recruited talent, but I don't see the leadership that is needed to get the most out of the talent that he has. I could go on and on, but let's just say it is time to move on. I am so sad about the state of VU basketball.
Quote from: Chairback on January 10, 2022, 07:49:41 PM
2003, we just want to win like we have in the past. That has not happened in years.
We are going backwards, not forwards.
Also, just because you have "credentials" doesn't mean you will have success. It means you should be able to do the job but if you can't a change is needed.
Also, the fans on this forum are long time supporters of the program. The number of us is dwindling and when you go backwards it's hard to gain new fans. We know the programs past and we know what it's capable of. But most of all we have deep pride of the program and want it to be nothing but successful again.
It can be hard to accept and hear when the job is not being done right. But these high profile and high paid jobs come with a lot of expectations. You have to win.
The basketball program and it's success has a massive impact on the university and it's image. Reference Butler, Loyola, and the Valpo of old.
We aren't playing Southern Utah or Cleveland State week to week like we did when we were"winning"
We were in really bad conferences - not the case anymore.
If you want this program to succeed then we need better facilities. Nothing much will change until this happens.
Whether that occurs through the school fundraising for it or we have some individual donors willing to complete the project is the way forward.
I agree that the conference competition is more difficult, but when we were in the Horizon, we consistently won in our non-conference schedule and entered the conference schedule with a good or very good RPI, then saw our ranking drop throughout the season because of our competition, win or lose. Under Lottich, we have had a poor RPI/NET ranking at the end of the non-conference schedule and seen it go up slightly during Conference play. The idea was that we would have a non-conference ranking (100 or better) like used to and then go up from there with some quality wins in conference play. That simply hasn't happened. Yet, our recruiting tells us that we should be if our team would be reaching it's potential. Not happening- a coaching change is needed!
Quote from: tjjvalpo on January 10, 2022, 09:44:34 PM
I agree that the conference competition is more difficult, but when we were in the Horizon, we consistently won in our non-conference schedule and entered the conference schedule with a good or very good RPI, then saw our ranking drop throughout the season because of our competition, win or lose. Under Lottich, we have had a poor RPI/NET ranking at the end of the non-conference schedule and seen it go up slightly during Conference play. The idea was that we would have a non-conference ranking (100 or better) like used to and then go up from there with some quality wins in conference play. That simply hasn't happened. Yet, our recruiting tells us that we should be if our team would be reaching it's potential. Not happening- a coaching change is needed!
People are so misguided
We have 2 wins in the last 20 years against top 25 teams. Both by Lottich.
I'm not sure this current team could beat those old school Southern Utah or Cleveland State teams. I'm serious.
Look past the conferences we were part of in the past and currently in. Just Look at how the offense has flowed the last few years and how the team has been dysfunctional.
Leadership is not getting thru to the players.
Quote from: Valpo2003 on January 10, 2022, 07:22:44 PM
Long time lurker first post
I'm amused how " fans" of the program seem to think they are more knowledgeable about Athletics and particularly basketball than :
1. An Athletics Director that has been at an ACC school and knows what a successful program looks like
2. A coach that played in the PAC 12
And both I'm sure have access to some of the top people in the country in regards to the management of a program
Honestly- unless someone on the board has better credentials than the above perhaps leave the process of improving the program in a much tougher conference - in much more competitive times to those you constantly second guess.
I'm assuming no one does-
Valpo2003, welcome to the board and thank you for sharing your opinion. I don't want to come across as gaslighting MLB or Lottich, because they are great people but results and record speak for themselves. Also I find your comment about pedigree of coming from the ACC and PAC 12 quite elitist. Yes on average the cream rises to the top and these upper tier conferences attract the top minds and talent, but there is a LOT of poor management in these conference and coaching at that level as well. There is bright minds in every conference. There are coaches that come from a Power 5 background that flame out all the time. It's a tough business.
My opinion has been formed from speaking people who have played and coached college hoops (some from this very program...). I'm not going to lie to you I've been frustrated with the record the last 6 season, but the real concern is the product on the court and the consistent dry spells of offense and mental lapses. At certain point there needs to be accountability and recognition that it's just not working out.
Honestly if I were the AD (full admission I'm not qualified to be, but yes we all can have an opinion), I'd need to see marked improvement by seasons end and if not, Lottich would have one more year with a roster that should have an experienced and talented group of seniors assuming none transfer (Senior: Krikke, Kithier, King / Juniors: Edwards, Barrett / and emerging Sophomore class), and if he can't be an upper tier Valley Team and legitimately compete for 1st - 3rd place in the conference, it may seriously be time to look at making a change at the top. 6 - 7 seasons is not a small sample size.
Minus Alec Peters, what is his win loss record? Even with AP he has to be close to being under .500.
To be honest he had to get the job as that was the most comfortable and the easier path to keep AP here. If a coach came from outside the program it would have been hard to keep him.
I loved the hire at the time too. But I want to win now.
Jake is probably pissed
https://twitter.com/jeffborzeiio/status/1480733500584116226?s=21
Quote from: Chairback on January 10, 2022, 10:18:53 PM
Minus Alec Peters, what is his win loss record? Even with AP he has to be close to being under .500.
To be honest he had to get the job as that was the most comfortable and the easier path to keep AP here. If a coach came from outside the program it would have been hard to keep him.
I loved the hire at the time too. But I want to win now.
I'm not a numbers guy but couldn't the same be said about Bryce without Broekhoff?
Or Homer without Bryce?
Quote from: Valpo2003 on January 11, 2022, 12:36:48 AMQuote from: Chairback on January 10, 2022, 10:18:53 PMMinus Alec Peters, what is his win loss record? Even with AP he has to be close to being under .500. To be honest he had to get the job as that was the most comfortable and the easier path to keep AP here. If a coach came from outside the program it would have been hard to keep him. I loved the hire at the time too. But I want to win now.
I'm not a numbers guy but couldn't the same be said about Bryce without Broekhoff? Or Homer without Bryce?
No Bryce had several solid to spectacular seasons without Broekhoff (In fact I would argue his best years were the Peters era anyway)
And Homer also had many solid teams without Bryce as a player. Bryce was an assistant under Homer for a long time though and they worked on building many of those solid teams as a collaborative effort.
By unfortunate contrast Lottich has the last Peters year (his first year) Then a smoke and mirrors 8-0 start to year 2 that crumbled into dust. Outside of that it's been nothing but inconsistency struggle and turmoil with a constantly changing roster and no stability. The only bright spot during this time was JFL's individual play and that brilliant run in St Louis that ended 10 minutes short of the tournament. Part of that is just the new era of college basketball that we live in and part of that I believe is that the players all see what many of us do.
Quote from: Valpo2003 on January 11, 2022, 12:36:48 AM
Quote from: Chairback on January 10, 2022, 10:18:53 PM
Minus Alec Peters, what is his win loss record? Even with AP he has to be close to being under .500.
To be honest he had to get the job as that was the most comfortable and the easier path to keep AP here. If a coach came from outside the program it would have been hard to keep him.
I loved the hire at the time too. But I want to win now.
I'm not a numbers guy but couldn't the same be said about Bryce without Broekhoff?
Or Homer without Bryce?
If you graduated in 2003, you were part of the same time on campus as me. We won a ton without Bryce as a player...
I haven't even had the energy to post lately because of the apathy I feel towards the program right now. I don't even care that we are playing Loyola tonight. In fact I forgot until I started writing this. But I just had to type to say there is no other explanation for what valpo2003 is saying other than they are or are close to Matt Lottich. There are people out there that think the current state of this program is good enough ? Must also be in charge of the Bears
To play off 22's comment, apathy is what is killing this program, and it's a direct result of the on court product. Valpo losses used to ruin my night when I was younger. Granted, age and having kids gave me a little perspective, but now I just sort of shrug and go to bed. I've reduced my donations to the program, no longer purchase a parking pass since parking is pretty easy on side streets now. I reduced my season tickets from 4 to 2 and have still gone to two games alone this year because I can't get anyone to go when my wife is on call. Anyone who thinks a handful of conference wins is all this program needs is kidding themselves. We have a bottom-half-of-the-conference budget, subpar facilities, subpar gameday experience, and a nonexistent local media presence. To overcome all that you need a coach who is good to great across the board. From recruiting to retaining to developing to Xs and Os. Matt is a great recruiter, and that's about it so far.
Quote from: Valpo2003 on January 10, 2022, 07:22:44 PM
leave the process of improving the program in a much tougher conference - in much more competitive times to those you constantly second guess.
How long does the excuse that Valpo is in a tougher conference continue? (Most federal laws have a five-year statute of limitations.) VU is on its fifth year in the MVC, and the recruiting has elevated to match the competition. In fact, Valpo now has five players who were once on teams in higher conferences (Wisconsin, Michigan State, Seton Hall). I think the "much tougher conference" and "more competitive times" excuses have reached their expiration date.
vok22- Have you thought about the possibility that you haven't had the energy to post is because you were on your computer at 3:07 AM?