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Title: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on November 25, 2022, 10:10:09 AM
Another blow out loss or can we be competitive ? I took the jackrabbits at 21 or more for +475.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: vu72 on November 25, 2022, 10:14:09 AM
Heading over shortly to watch the game.  Hopefully it will be worth the money.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: crusadermoe on November 25, 2022, 11:47:05 AM
Where is it?  Savannah?   Beautiful town.  All the "squares" and architecture gems.  City is worth the trip even if the games suck.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on November 25, 2022, 12:34:39 PM
7-0 start, let's end the game now 🤣🤣
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on November 25, 2022, 12:52:44 PM
Well I guess I'm just waiting for it to get bad. We've had a few steals, and look like a D1 team . Up 16-11 at the under 8 Timeout.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on November 25, 2022, 01:09:45 PM
Best half of basketball all season , holding a high scoring offense to 23.  They missed soooo many bunnies. They'll score much more 2nd half , can we withstand it ??
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: talksalot on November 25, 2022, 02:01:19 PM
No Jerome Palm.  Any idea why?  did not play at Samford?

Just curious
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: valpopal on November 25, 2022, 02:09:49 PM
After an uncharacteristically good start, Valpo led 7-0 after 2:20; however, this proved to be fool's gold. The rest of the game was back to what we've seen too often thus far this season as South Dakota St. won the final 37:40 by 18 points.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: vu72 on November 25, 2022, 03:36:39 PM
Was at the game.  Give it to Matt, he tried something completely different, starting Max and playing small ball.  Tied at half and then out coached for the second half.  We didn't make a single free throw for the game and worse yet didn't even try a free throw.  They, on the other hand were something like 16 of 18 from the stripe. Better effort but still won't win many games with that effort.  Ben was shut down again in the second half.  Troubling to be sure....
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: craftyrighthander on November 25, 2022, 03:40:08 PM
I haven't been able to watch a game yet this season.  Does VU really have talent to win some of these games?  How much is talent and how much is coaching?  Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: oklahomamick on November 25, 2022, 04:46:56 PM
Which is worst?  We lost yet again, or nobody watched it?
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: valpotx on November 25, 2022, 04:48:51 PM
I didn't watch.  How do we end up with 0 FT attempts?  Was it a lot of jump shots?
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: JD24 on November 25, 2022, 04:50:37 PM
Our three headed monster PG platoon just played 40 mins and didn't score a point. It's definitely a monster.

Did Lottich tell them to stop going 1 on 3 to the point where there was no attempt to draw a foul. No free throws?

Dudes please.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: AlaskaCrusader19 on November 25, 2022, 08:52:58 PM
Quote from: craftyrighthander on November 25, 2022, 03:40:08 PM
I haven't been able to watch a game yet this season.  Does VU really have talent to win some of these games?  How much is talent and how much is coaching?  Asking for a friend.
The team definitely lacks talent, but someone is responsible for the talent (or lack of it) on the roster.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: truth219 on November 25, 2022, 09:51:04 PM
Anyone look at the Facebook post for todays game?
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on November 25, 2022, 09:56:51 PM
I disagree, I think we do have talent , but ML and staff don't know how to put it together. I'd be happier if Tevonn Walker got the HC job, Lottich is brain dead and shows no spunk, he's too calm IMO, and this is coming from a guy who coaches college swimming 🙃🤣🤣
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: JD24 on November 25, 2022, 11:47:26 PM
Lottich needs to be moved on from but the talent level on the team is not anywhere near where it was in Lottich's first season and the B. Drew years.....certainly not at the high end.

I don't see any potential NBA players or near NBA players on this roster and the last of which was JFL and Valpo had him prior to him maturing as a player.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: valpofb16 on November 26, 2022, 09:22:15 PM
247 and Rivals talent is actually higher with the transfers in.

Problem is the program is getting damaged goods and having a hard time getting anyone to stay four years.

University as a whole having a hard time getting kids to stay. The vast majority do not want to be held in dorms until their fourth year.

Kinda amazing how Valpo is just actively tanking in front of our eyes

Tuition is 44k and average annual salary is 55k for grads. I went to Valpo this decade. Those aren't 200k tuition facilities (housing and meal plan included)

Someone up top is cutting themselves some CHECKS. Meanwhile attendance, sports , majors , grad programs. Etc all dying off.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: JD24 on November 27, 2022, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 26, 2022, 09:22:15 PM247 and Rivals talent is actually higher with the transfers in. Problem is the program is getting damaged goods and having a hard time getting anyone to stay four years. University as a whole having a hard time getting kids to stay. The vast majority do not want to be held in dorms until their fourth year. Kinda amazing how Valpo is just actively tanking in front of our eyes Tuition is 44k and average annual salary is 55k for grads. I went to Valpo this decade. Those aren't 200k tuition facilities (housing and meal plan included) Someone up top is cutting themselves some CHECKS. Meanwhile attendance, sports , majors , grad programs. Etc all dying off.
As a non-alumni, my reaction to the campus was less than impressed but it was an opportunity for some. So I've hung around.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: vu84v2 on November 27, 2022, 11:16:52 AM
Not fully sure what is meant by this comment, "Someone up top is cutting themselves some CHECKS." ...but the comment suggests that there is unethical and corrupt behavior in Valpo's administration. If that is what you are suggesting valpofb16, then you are way out of line. Disagreeing is certainly fine and perhaps justified..personal attacks are not.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: valpofb16 on November 27, 2022, 11:48:25 AM
Corrupt no.

Taking rather high profit margins and taking big pay days. Most likely.

Have you been to some of the facilities?
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: mj on November 27, 2022, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 27, 2022, 11:48:25 AM
Corrupt no.

Taking rather high profit margins and taking big pay days. Most likely.

Have you been to some of the facilities?

Valpo is facing many challenges as a university. This ain't one of them.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: valporun on November 27, 2022, 12:34:38 PM
We definitely lost some players that should be here, but either found they weren't going to be the "go to" star they were in high school, or something about who they talk with away from the program got in their heads. The number of players we lost to transfer, and then the current transfers getting their feet into the rotations here are NOT playing to our favor of getting wins. Is it all about the coaching staff, and what they are recruiting, or is it player egos coming out of the AAU programs that tout these guys as the next big thing, but don't teach them how to mature off the court, so they can be more when the game isn't the only thing they have in life?
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: vu84v2 on November 27, 2022, 01:49:45 PM
Taking high profit margins? Do you think that the administration is getting bonuses or a piece of operating margins? These people are salaried and, whether you like it or not, there is a market rate for University Presidents, Deans, VP of University Advancement, etc. I also think you'll find that many of Valpo's administrators take salaries a little less than the market rate because they identify with Valpo's mission.

I would suggest that:
-Like many universities, Valpo may have too many administrators - albeit most of whom are underpaid versus their counterparts at other universities.
-The state of Valpo's facilities is very mixed. Some facilities are excellent for a university of Valpo's size - e.g., engineering building, library, union, some dorms. Other facilities are definitely below the standard from peer universiites - e.g., business building, some dorms, basketball stadium. On this point, the university needs to prioritize - and that was the root of my criticism regarding too many strategic priorities.  When you have limited resources, you need to work to gain additional resources (student recruitment/retention, raising funds from donors, etc.) AND you need to make hard decisions on which issues get addressed first.
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: valpo95 on November 28, 2022, 04:17:52 PM
The biggest checks that are being cut are to students, in the form of discounts (grants and scholarships) to entice students to come to VU. Requiring students to stay in the dorms is one way to gain additional  room and board revenue.

The list price for on campus is $58,726. The average annual award is $30,668, resulting in an annual net price is $28,058. This is still expensive to be sure and does vary by student.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/valparaiso-university/paying-for-college/net-price/ (https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/valparaiso-university/paying-for-college/net-price/)
Title: Re: Valpo vs SDSU @ Hostillo Hoops Classic 12:30pm CST
Post by: valpofb16 on November 28, 2022, 05:35:12 PM
Valpo95 appreciate the research. 25k is more in line with what is being provided.