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Title: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: humbleopinion on February 01, 2023, 10:34:40 AM
The Bears have defeated Drake twice but have lost to Illinois State.  At least Ben doesn't have to battle with Prim this year.

We need Green, Max, Conner to connect on their threes for us to match the Redbirds' success.

Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: vu72 on February 01, 2023, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 01, 2023, 10:34:40 AMAt least Ben doesn't have to battle with Prim this year.

Or Mosley.  Mosley is a great player and showed it against us. He averaged 24 points over three games with us last year.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: AB on February 01, 2023, 11:23:27 AM
We will struggle to contain the dribble drives of their guards and will draw fouls. Much more athletic team than us. Only way to win is if we hit a minimum of 8 three pointers. Not a good recipe for a win. They ofcourse will try to shut down Krikke and force others to beat them. Green can't go 1-8 and four fouls. Bayu may struggle against their front line to stay out of foul trouble. This is not a good matchup for Valpo from an athletic standpoint. Ford has never impressed me with the X's and O's. Mosley... Here's the ball, now go make a play.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: crusadermoe on February 01, 2023, 01:45:12 PM
True Mosely was a huge problem for us. Now he is at Mizzou.  Two keys will be 3=pt shooting percent (duh) and hustle. We need all the 50/50 balls.  The crowd will be bored on a mid-week night vs. Valpo and turn on the Bears a bit if we get ahead of them at the half. 
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: wh on February 01, 2023, 03:47:46 PM
Kobe had 3 of his worst games last year against MSU:

1 - 8pts (3-7FG) 43%FG
2 - 11pts (2-11FG) 18%FG
3 - 5pts. (2-10FG) 20%FG

Avg. 8pts. (7-28) 25%FG

The message is pretty obvious. He needs to get himself involved in the offense early and often and shoot mid-range in and drive the hoop whenever possible.

Message to Matt Lottich:
Regarding your comment that you allow players to continue to shoot 3's so long "as they put in the work," doesn't the fact that Kobe is shooting 6% from 3 despite putting in extra work tell you something? Every Kobe 3 is equivalent to a TO. NO 3's! Please!
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: historyman on February 01, 2023, 07:06:45 PM
My flu laced letter to Donovan Clay has worked and he is out for the only Valpo game of the year.  hmmmmmmmmm




King & Edwards two of our worst 3 point shooters take 3 point shots. Anybody see anything wrong here?

Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: historyman on February 01, 2023, 07:13:17 PM
Thanks, Maximus.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: mj on February 01, 2023, 07:20:07 PM
I'm starting to really like Barrett.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: AB on February 01, 2023, 07:21:40 PM
No Clay. Big loss. Opportunity to steal one. looks it's gonna be a track meet up and down.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: wh on February 01, 2023, 08:02:55 PM
2-14 from 3. Hopefully, MSU doesn't go zone.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: mj on February 01, 2023, 08:46:25 PM
Q is putting this team on his back.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: historyman on February 01, 2023, 08:58:22 PM
Those MSU announcers didn't know that the replica of the Valpo court on the play draw board has a Crusader on it.


Well, the real question is why we can't afford a new play drawing board. 
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: Dr. T on February 01, 2023, 09:12:52 PM
Well, I suppose I should've stopped watching with a minute and a half or so left in regulation. From that point on, it wasn't pretty. End up losing by 9 ...with Drake coming to town on Saturday. I long for the day when a loss like this stings, rather than expecting it and feeling numb to it.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: AB on February 01, 2023, 09:18:11 PM
Golden opportunity to steal a game with Clay out. Shot selection shot selection! Inability to seal the deal with the lead in the closing two minutes! Common theme last few years... way too much freedom from the arc. Could have worked it along the baseline get some two's, Krikke had to once again work hard just to get shots to fall. Both teams are pretty sub par. The level of detail when you watch Ben Jacobson's, Wardell, Devries teams play D. Not in this game!
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: historyman on February 01, 2023, 09:21:06 PM
Quote from: AB on February 01, 2023, 09:18:11 PM
Golden opportunity to steal a game with Clay out. Shot selection shot selection! Inability to seal the deal with the lead in the closing two minutes! Common theme last few years... way too much freedom from the arc. Could have worked it along the baseline get some two's, Krikke had to once again work hard just to get shots to fall. Both teams are pretty sub par. The level of detail when you watch Ben Jacobson's, Wardell, Devries teams play D. Not in this game!

How many shots did the MOIST Bears block in the O.T. Had to be 3 I believe.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: nkvu on February 01, 2023, 09:29:13 PM
Checked the score at half. Surprised to have a lead. Checked again with 18 seconds to go in game. Figured we wouldn't get a shot off, let alone score. Didn't  fail to disappoint. Didn't bother to check again as I assumed we would lose in ot. Just saw that we did. Same old same old. I still check from time to time on games I think we have a reasonable chance to win. There are not many of those any more.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: oklahomamick on February 01, 2023, 09:32:25 PM
Easy money.

Put money on Valpo 1st half and fade second half. 
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: covufan on February 01, 2023, 09:42:15 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 01, 2023, 09:32:25 PM
Easy money.

Put money on Valpo 1st half and fade second half.
I remember this suggestion last year. Really need to try this


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Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: AlaskaCrusader19 on February 02, 2023, 09:29:36 AM
A close, overtime game only having 17 replies by late the next morning tells you all you need to know about the morale of the fan base. Apathy has set in.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: valpopal on February 02, 2023, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: AlaskaCrusader19 on February 02, 2023, 09:29:36 AM
A close, overtime game only having 17 replies by late the next morning tells you all you need to know about the morale of the fan base. Apathy has set in.
"I told him, 'Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?' He said, 'Coach, I don't know and I don't care.'" —Coach Frank Layden
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: Valpo89 on February 02, 2023, 10:20:04 AM
Going into the final possession of regulation, I told my wife, "The Beacons have trouble executing in these situations."
And that led to Krikke having a shot blocked. Ugh.
But you all are right - when the loss is expected, it's not as disappointing to fans. Even when you blow a game in the final minutes.
If this was 10 years ago, a lot of us probably would have had trouble sleeping.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: valpo64 on February 02, 2023, 10:36:36 AM
Why is it that with the team holding the ball for 1 shot before the buzzer, so many teams stand around until the 9 or 10 second mark then have to force up a shot or try a desperation shot to beat the buzzer?  My guess is that that play works about 10% of the time, if that much.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: Just Sayin on February 02, 2023, 02:13:22 PM
Virgina has mastered the art of taking shots near the end of the shot clock. They practice it and are very successful. They generally have THE slowest pace of all division 1 teams year after year.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: usc4valpo on February 02, 2023, 04:06:59 PM
Just Sayin - that is the benefit of having great coaching and collaboration, which Virginia has.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: valpo95 on February 02, 2023, 04:25:50 PM
I'm old enough to remember UWGB vs. Valpo.

Tony Bennett the floor general, and Dick Bennett his father as coach. UWGB was a great team, with great fundamentals.

At the time, VU was overmatched - there were chants about firing Homer Drew and questions about not being able to compete in the Mid-Con. Once Tony Bennett graduated in 1992, UWGB had much more uneven performance year on year. 1992-93 was the first year of the Redmon/Schmidt teams and good success for VU over decades.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: usc4valpo on February 02, 2023, 06:03:51 PM
Was there actually discussion or actions about getting rid of Drew? Valpo basketball was in a mellower state back then. Heck, Tom Smith was there for 8 years without a winning record, and he resigned!
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: valpo95 on February 03, 2023, 08:12:46 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on February 02, 2023, 06:03:51 PM
Was there actually discussion or actions about getting rid of Drew? Valpo basketball was in a mellower state back then. Heck, Tom Smith was there for 8 years without a winning record, and he resigned!

This was back in stone age (well, at least before most people had access to to the internet or email.)

Homer Drew's first four years at Valpo saw him go 10-19, 4-24, 5-22, 5-22, so yes, many fans were getting out their pitchforks. I was at the ARC and heard some of the chants to fire Homer. In 1992-93, Redmon and Schmidt were on the bench due to the NCAA transfer rules, so there was some hope for the future.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: AB on February 03, 2023, 10:50:15 AM
Dick Bennett, pack line defense. Held Valpo to like 23 29 points in a couple of games, one up at the old Brown County arena. His son was an outstanding player in the system, and who can forget Jeff Nordgaard, the team that upset Jason Kidd and Cal. Depth and quality of the league then, I think they were preseason pick 4th place. Redman, Schmidt turned things around, Wayne Charles, the guy from LaPorte, Lance Barker. Tracy Gipson finally got help his senior year. After Jones, Anslem, Ford graduated, roster was gutted. I do believe Homer grabbed the mic and apologized after the game. Current coach is in love to much with the three ball instead of getting higher percentage shots and way too many transfers even in the transfer era.
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: crusadermoe on February 03, 2023, 01:43:23 PM
...Home grabbed the mike and apologized for the game?    Only at Valpo!
Title: Re: Valpo at MoSt 2/1 ESPN+ 7 pm
Post by: Old Timer on February 03, 2023, 04:00:39 PM
Thinking of Dick Bennet, I am reminded of his top assistant and perhaps defensive architect Mike Heideman. After Bennet's departure Heideman took over the Green Bay program and experienced some good years. However, after a downturn he was let go. It was my understanding that due to by out provisions he could not be a head coach somewhere and get paid by Green Bay. He became an assistant at Valparaiso for one year. Valpo's defense has never been as good since. It is my thought that maybe Lottich needs some super strong assistant coaches who can teach and motivate. Let him administrate.