According to the team stats at Teamrankings, the Jaguars are efficient on the offensive glass, and don't turn the ball over that often. We need to box out on the defensive end, control the ball and tempo, and hit our open shots. We also need to hit our FTs, especially at the end of the game.
http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/matchup/crusaders-jaguars-2011-12-23 (http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/matchup/crusaders-jaguars-2011-12-23)
Valpo 79
IUPUI 75
Who all is going to this game? This will be my first trip to Conseco.
http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/12/game-preview-iupui.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/12/game-preview-iupui.html)
Valpo 73
Ooooepoooey 66
Without Ron Hunter's enigmatic presence, IUPUI just doesn't seem the same.
I will be there.
I was at Conseco on Monday as IUPUI beat Ball State before an announced crowd of 2,400 that looked more like 1,000. Ball State was suffering from their Butler hangover and IUPUI outplayed them and won. The Jags best player, Alex Young, will give us problems. He does a lot things, shoots from all over and Monday crashed the boards hard.
This version of IUPUI is similar to most years, they work pretty hard, take a lot of bad shots, are a little sloopy but are capable of beating us.
I will be there, and if there's wifi at Conseco, I'll be there with my laptop open and connected to the chat room.
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 21, 2011, 12:11:23 PM
I will be there, and if there's wifi at Conseco, I'll be there with my laptop open and connected to the chat room.
STL, I will look for you. Attendance at this would could be pretty light.
Quote from: IndyValpo on December 21, 2011, 01:41:43 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 21, 2011, 12:11:23 PM
I will be there, and if there's wifi at Conseco, I'll be there with my laptop open and connected to the chat room.
STL, I will look for you. Attendance at this would could be pretty light.
I'll also be sitting with TD, who you should definitely recognize ;)
I'm guessing these contracts for games at Conseco with IUPUI were made well before Ron Hunter left for Georgia St.? Otherwise, why are these games still being played there?
I think IUPUI uses this to help sell the program as their on-campus gym is probably one of the worst in D1, certainly it is in the midwest.
"Look, it's bad enough we gotta play in this cage you call a gym" -Coach Norman Dale
Quote from: IndyValpo on December 21, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
I think IUPUI uses this to help sell the program as their on-campus gym is probably one of the worst in D1, certainly it is in the midwest.
Quote from: valporun on December 21, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
"Look, it's bad enough we gotta play in this cage you call a gym" -Coach Norman Dale
Quote from: IndyValpo on December 21, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
I think IUPUI uses this to help sell the program as their on-campus gym is probably one of the worst in D1, certainly it is in the midwest.
Isn't the gym just an afterthought/practice gym at the IU Natatorium? Most junior highs or high schools have bigger/better gyms.
Quote from: sectionee on December 21, 2011, 10:47:20 AMWho all is going to this game? This will be my first trip to Conseco.
No it won't. They are changing the Fieldhouse's name. On Thursday at 9:30 am central time the Pacers are going to announce that the name is no longer Conseco Fieldhouse. So by Friday when Valpo plays IUPUI there it will officially have another name. What actually is happening is because the Conseco company changed their name to CNO Financial Group back in 2010, CNO Financial decided not to change the name of the Fieldhouse in downtown Indy where the Pacers play at that time, although the names on their buildings in Carmel did change. So when you get to the Fieldhouse on Friday you'll see the new name.
Per the story below there is a rumor the new name will be CNO Financial Fieldhouse.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011112200318 (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011112200318)
But one Downtown player, the Sheraton Indianapolis City Centre Hotel, may have jumped the gun. Its website boasts about its proximity to Conseco, "recently renamed CNO Financial Fieldhouse."
Hmm. Inside information? Or just a hunch?http://www.sheratonindianapoliscitycentre.com/conseco-fieldhouse (http://www.sheratonindianapoliscitycentre.com/conseco-fieldhouse)
Quote from: bbtds on December 21, 2011, 09:40:04 PM
Quote from: sectionee on December 21, 2011, 10:47:20 AMWho all is going to this game? This will be my first trip to Conseco.
No it won't. They are changing the Fieldhouse's name. On Thursday at 9:30 am central time the Pacers are going to announce that the name is no longer Conseco Fieldhouse. So by Friday when Valpo plays IUPUI there it will officially have another name. What actually is happening is because the Conseco company changed their name to CNO Financial Group back in 2010, CNO Financial decided not to change the name of the Fieldhouse in downtown Indy where the Pacers play at that time, although the names on their buildings in Carmel did change. So when you get to the Fieldhouse on Friday you'll see the new name.
Per the story below there is a rumor the new name will be CNO Financial Fieldhouse.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011112200318 (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011112200318)
But one Downtown player, the Sheraton Indianapolis City Centre Hotel, may have jumped the gun. Its website boasts about its proximity to Conseco, "recently renamed CNO Financial Fieldhouse."
Hmm. Inside information? Or just a hunch?
http://www.sheratonindianapoliscitycentre.com/conseco-fieldhouse (http://www.sheratonindianapoliscitycentre.com/conseco-fieldhouse)
Must be nice to be the host city for this year's Super Bowl? Talk about some amazing marketing and publicity by CNO Financial Group!!
See you at Bankers Life Fieldhouse tomorrow.
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 21, 2011, 12:11:23 PM
I will be there, and if there's wifi at Conseco, I'll be there with my laptop open and connected to the chat room.
I'll keep an eye open for Bono typing away on his 'top!
Quote from: Valpo71 on December 22, 2011, 11:10:44 AM
See you at Bankers Life Fieldhouse tomorrow.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20111222/BUSINESS/112220323/Bankers-Life-knocks-Conseco-off-fieldhouse-title?odyssey=tab (http://www.indystar.com/article/20111222/BUSINESS/112220323/Bankers-Life-knocks-Conseco-off-fieldhouse-title?odyssey=tab)|topnews|text|News
The name change to something other than CNO Financial surprised a lot of people.
http://www.bankers.com/AboutUs.aspx (http://www.bankers.com/AboutUs.aspx)
It appears Bankers Life main office is in downtown Chicago but they are one of the companies that is owned by CNO Financial in Carmel.
Vegas has the game at even odds. I will be optimistic:
Valpo 74
IUPUI 72
Bad feeling about this one. Reluctantly, I will say
IUPUI 77
VU 72
Paul
Valpo 79
IUPUI 78 OT
Today's game is a pick on espn's streak for cash game. 90+% are picking Valpo
I'm glad I looked at the list of games nationwide on ESPN's website, I wasn't thinking the game was at 12 CT. I was thinking the traditional 6PM start for this game. I'm agreeing with the close scores in this game though.
Valpo 76
IUPUI 72
I was just scoping out the IUPUI website about video for this game, and they do have a single game pass for today's game for the one-day low price of $4.95. I'm not going to pay for the game, but for any of you who really need the video for it, just thought I would pass this information along. I'll be over in the chat room during the game to enjoy catching up with those of you who also have the day off from work. Enjoy, and Go Valpo!!
Wow, glad I just checked this! Time to view the stats from work!
I hope I'm wrong, but I would be AMAZED if we get the score anywhere close in the 2nd half. Our guys have no team identity right now - just 5 guys running up and down the court. When we were winning the offense was flowing through Kevin and back out. Now it's just a bunch of guys jacking up perimeter jump shots at the first open opportunity. The only time they really work to get the ball inside is immediately after a time out. Richie and Ben's guys go around them like they have lead boots on, Will hacks a jump shooter that he can't possibly block twice and gives up a 4-pt play and 2 FT's on an otherwise bad miss, etc.
It's hard to imagine that we have become a 2nd division Summit League team.
Van VICK really getting physical now!
is there no audio? i just tried to get the wake stream up through the valpo site, and got nothing.
Here is the audio from IUPUI: http://www.iheart.com/#/live/905/?autoplay=true (http://www.iheart.com/#/live/905/?autoplay=true)
http://www.iheart.com/#/live/905/?autoplay=true (http://www.iheart.com/#/live/905/?autoplay=true)
boy, they've come storming back in the second half to make this a game. making up for the oakland collapse, i guess? that'd be a good thing.
are they guarding ryan tightly? 2 pts in 19 minutes? or is there something else going on?
Quote from: vuweathernerd on December 23, 2011, 01:37:36 PM
are they guarding ryan tightly? 2 pts in 19 minutes? or is there something else going on?
I got the audio up late into the game, but I heard that he was jogging on the sidelines trying to stretch his legs out. He's still playing so hopefully he's okay.
Ryan aggravated that same hip injury. Trainer took a look at it but I'm assuming hes ok as he is back in the game
:o Buggs fouled out! This is an INSANE turn of events!!!
Kevin, Matt and Will also have 4 fouls. IUPUI has gone 29/34 (85%) on FTs.
Quote from: swiftmutiny on December 23, 2011, 01:53:42 PM
Kevin, Matt and Will also have 4 fouls. IUPUI has gone 29/34 (85%) on FTs.
Even the IUPUI announcers have commented on how bad the officiating has been for VU. That said, officiating is not the reason Buggs fouled out. He just doesn't know how to play defense without using his hands...so talented, yet so undisciplined.
Quote from: Crusader03 on December 23, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: swiftmutiny on December 23, 2011, 01:53:42 PM
Kevin, Matt and Will also have 4 fouls. IUPUI has gone 29/34 (85%) on FTs.
Even the IUPUI announcers have commented on how bad the officiating has been for VU. That said, officiating is not the reason Buggs fouled out. He just doesn't know how to play defense without using his hands...so talented, yet so undisciplined.
They commented about a bad no-call on a drive by Matt Kinney, but after watching the game I can confidently say we committed nearly every one of the 33 fouls that were called against us. Just a terrible job of playing defense. I wish there was a stat for getting beat off the dribble. We may have set a modern collegiate record.
Some quick points:
Rowdy gets only 1 field goal and takes only 5 shots: he has to be hurting?
Kevin gets only 2 rebounds, and I think both might have been on his own miss?
Buggs fouls out, but so do 3 others, and another 3 have 4 fouls each? We lost by 21 points at the free throw line (IUPUI had almost 50 free throws), and it would have been worse if we didn't shoot a great 20-24 from the charity stripe!
Early in the season we were winning by out-rebounding and shooting more free throws, plus with Buggs not fouling out and playing whole games for defense.
Also, 0-8 at the 3-point line in first half didn't help, but the 3-point shooting was good in the second half at 8-11.
If you told me we were going to score 88 points (or 62 in the second half), I would have thought we couldn't lose. Yet, somehow we did. ???
Good thing we do not play in the summit league, it's to tough! :(
http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/12/iupui-wrap-up.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/12/iupui-wrap-up.html)
Ryan came out with his wrist wrapped to start the game then banged up his hip. Sader03, Buggs fouling out had everything to do with the refs. Obviously he wasn't the only one having foul trouble. Two of his fouls were very iffy at best.
My biggest concern is Ryan's health and that for the second game in the last three we haven't had an answer for the opposing team's best player. Young was a lefty who went left nearly every time without much resistance.
Oh well...let's get better and be ready for when the real fun begins next week!
Quote from: wh on December 23, 2011, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: Crusader03 on December 23, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: swiftmutiny on December 23, 2011, 01:53:42 PM
Kevin, Matt and Will also have 4 fouls. IUPUI has gone 29/34 (85%) on FTs.
Even the IUPUI announcers have commented on how bad the officiating has been for VU. That said, officiating is not the reason Buggs fouled out. He just doesn't know how to play defense without using his hands...so talented, yet so undisciplined.
They commented about a bad no-call on a drive by Matt Kinney, but after watching the game I can confidently say we committed nearly every one of the 33 fouls that were called against us. Just a terrible job of playing defense. I wish there was a stat for getting beat off the dribble. We may have set a modern collegiate record.
You watched the game on-line and could tell that nearly all of the calls were correct. Wow, impressive. Seriously, we never adjusted to touch/bump fouls that were being called 35 feet from the basket. I think the bigger issue was lack of calls on our end. That is why Bryce went after a technical. One official in particular was definitely not our friend. The officials, however, did not beat us. Lazy sloppy play in the first half was the killer. We will always struggle against a team of quick slashers and that is what IUPUI did to us....repeatedly. Perhaps we should have tried more zone defense in this case.
Good to see TD and STL....it had been awhile.
Did anyone else at the game catch the conversation between Tommy Kurth and Coach at the end of the game. It looked like Bryce was going to send Kurth in to foul, but then sent in Shelton instead.
Quote from: IndyValpo on December 23, 2011, 07:15:52 PM
Quote from: wh on December 23, 2011, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: Crusader03 on December 23, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: swiftmutiny on December 23, 2011, 01:53:42 PM
Kevin, Matt and Will also have 4 fouls. IUPUI has gone 29/34 (85%) on FTs.
Even the IUPUI announcers have commented on how bad the officiating has been for VU. That said, officiating is not the reason Buggs fouled out. He just doesn't know how to play defense without using his hands...so talented, yet so undisciplined.
They commented about a bad no-call on a drive by Matt Kinney, but after watching the game I can confidently say we committed nearly every one of the 33 fouls that were called against us. Just a terrible job of playing defense. I wish there was a stat for getting beat off the dribble. We may have set a modern collegiate record.
You watched the game on-line and could tell that nearly all of the calls were correct. Wow, impressive. Seriously, we never adjusted to touch/bump fouls that were being called 35 feet from the basket. I think the bigger issue was lack of calls on our end. That is why Bryce went after a technical. One official in particular was definitely not our friend. The officials, however, did not beat us. Lazy sloppy play in the first half was the killer. We will always struggle against a team of quick slashers and that is what IUPUI did to us....repeatedly. Perhaps we should have tried more zone defense in this case.
Good to see TD and STL....it had been awhile.
Thank you for confirming my point.
Not that it will do any good, but I think it is unfortunate that criticism of the refs is reflexively met with "the refs didn't cost us the game." I'm not sure I blame anybody for that a whole lot, it probably comes from past experience. Nevertheless, it tends to end the conversation while glossing over the fact that both teams deserve competence from the refs, regardless of the outcome or partisan feelings.
It should of course be child's play to discern that it is impossible to pinpoint one culprit for any outcome. There's no proof that had all the fouls the Jaguars committed been actually called, Valpo would have won. Intuitively, everyone knows this, including those of us who feel compelled to talk about bad officiating.
While I'm at it, I'm kinda tired of hearing "all we expect is for them to call it the same way for both sides." Speaking only for myself, if I was a player or a coach, I would expect them to call it *accurately* as well as consistently (I'm also tired of hearing this phrase in baseball with respect to the strike zone).
Saying that the one referee did a piss-poor job and frankly embarrassed himself does not excuse Valpo's performance. But it also doesn't excuse the referee's performance, either.
This was not aimed at anyone in particular in this thread, it's just something that has always bothered me and seemed appropos.
I would project that even if the officiating was competent and Valpo was at 100%, Alex Young would still have been -- hands down -- the best player on the court today, and 2nd best probably wore a Jaguar uniform as well, though I'm not sure which one it would be.
I don't think we got the ball in to Kevin nearly enough. Every time we did, he made something happen.
I'll echo Indy's assessment by saying that they owned the paint on both ends for the most part. 9 blocks to 1 for us, and anytime they wanted to, they could drive the lane and either score an easy basket or get fouled (or both). I would actually say that even if the game was officiated competently, they still would have shot more FTs than we did because they were a lot more aggressive than we were.
I do think there's no reason to write off the season. Given almost a week before the next game, we might get healthier and regain our form by the time the Panthers come to visit, and those are the games that really matter.
I wouldn't hold my breath on our two uncleared transfers, though. There's no moving the Glacier, I'm afraid. >:(
By the way, in the misery loves company category, Oakland just laid an egg at the O'Rena, losing by 15 to a depleted WMU squad. Also Lorenzo Romar's Huskies got skunked at home by Note Wolters and the SDSU JackRabbits a couple of days ago.
We aren't the only fans scratching our heads today ;)
I would agree that Butler is on the way up and we are on the way down right now. Same with Detroit, perhaps. Cleveland State still seems like the frontrunner.
Frankly, I look forward to Thursday, because I really don't know what is going to happen and won't until it happens. And that's what's fun about sports.
Quote from: sectionee on December 23, 2011, 06:38:31 PM
http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/12/iupui-wrap-up.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/12/iupui-wrap-up.html)
Ryan came out with his wrist wrapped to start the game then banged up his hip. Sader03, Buggs fouling out had everything to do with the refs. Obviously he wasn't the only one having foul trouble. Two of his fouls were very iffy at best.
My biggest concern is Ryan's health and that for the second game in the last three we haven't had an answer for the opposing team's best player. Young was a lefty who went left nearly every time without much resistance.
Oh well...let's get better and be ready for when the real fun begins next week!
Sectionee, I will take your word for it since you were there. However, Buggs has put himself in a "boy that cried wolf" position here...he is so aggressive and in foul trouble so often that it is hard to give him the benefit of the doubt.
It will be a very interesting game Saturday, January 7th, when IUPUI goes up to Rochester Hills, MI and takes on the Kampe led Grizzlies of OU. I have a feeling the Jaguars will give Oakland all they can handle and more when they travel to Michigan. The O'Rena will not be nearly as quiet as BLF was on Friday against Valpo after IUPUI got out to a commanding lead.
03, did you figure out what BLF meant? It seems that kind of thing is right up your alley.
Quote from: bbtds on December 28, 2011, 01:15:44 AM
It will be a very interesting game Saturday, January 7th, when IUPUI goes up to Rochester Hills, MI and takes on the Kampe led Grizzlies of OU. I have a feeling the Jaguars will give Oakland all they can handle and more when they travel to Michigan. The O'Rena will not be nearly as quiet as BLF was on Friday against Valpo after IUPUI got out to a commanding lead.
03, did you figure out what BLF meant? It seems that kind of thing is right up your alley.
I know a jab when I see one...I REFUSE to sink to this level, TYVMBBTDS.