Valpo in the Rankings 2017-18

[historyman]

It would be interesting to have a sports poll that asks the question, who is the better college basketball coach? Patrick Ewing, Georgetown OR Matt Lottich, Valpo?

[VUGrad1314]

Let's be fair: the lack of A10 and MWC teams in this poll greatly benefits Valpo and the rest of the MVC That said the MVC and Valpo deserve all the love they're getting this year and more for their performance so far Just need to keep it going. Go Valpo! and Go MVC!

[VU2014]

 
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/938186147993411584

[agibson]

Just for fun, here's the KenPom before and after the Purdue loss.

before:

83   Valparaiso   MVC   8-0   +7.70   103.7   150   96.0   42   72.6   63   +.056   103   -5.84   317   102.5   226   108.3   345   -5.84   316

after:

87   Valparaiso   MVC   8-1   +6.83   102.7   175   95.8   38   72.8   57   +.154   16   -2.76   251   104.1   159   106.9   326   -2.76   247

(definitions on kenpom.com)

So, we only dropped four places. Albeit that's enough to fall to 4th in the MVC (MO St 73, Loyola 77, UNI 82). Our offense dropped a little. Our defensive rating actually _improved_. That's how much Pomeroy's formula thinks of Purdue's offense, apparently. Offensive Rating 116.9, 8th in the country. Apparently the #42 defense (Valpo) can give up 80 points to them and it actually counts as a better-than-expected defensive performance.

Our SOS jumped from 316th to 247th based on that one game. Now above Loyola and Evansville, not far below below Bradley.

[agibson]

Loyola with 5 points and UNI with 3 points in the AP poll. Nice to see a variety of Valley teams getting some love.

UNI's predicted RPI of 36 is pretty shiny. Would certainly be in the at-large discussion. Missouri State 59, Loyola 61, Valpo 67 aren't bad either.

[VUGrad1314]

KenPom now has Valpo at 107 following the Northwestern game RPI was 80 going in but that will surely fall a bit when those numbers are updated.

[agibson]

RPI to 98.

As for Pomeroy:

after Purdue (but didn't change too much after Ball State, I think):

87   Valparaiso   MVC   8-1   +6.83   102.7   175   95.8   38   72.8   57   +.154   16   -2.76   251   104.1   159   106.9   326   -2.76   247

Northwestern was our first really big hit.

107   Valparaiso   MVC   8-3   +5.19   101.8   206   96.6   45   71.6   88   +.096   48   +0.76   158   105.6   88   104.9   246   +0.76   154

Offense threatens to fall below the mediocre range. Defense stays pretty strong, believe it or not (takes a pretty good hit on a PPG basis, but apparently there isn't that much competition among top-50 defensive teams). On the silver lining side, I guess, our SOS is finally a middle-of-the-pack 154.

(We fell out of the midmajormadness poll, no surprise. We stayed pretty strong in the Mid-Major Top 25 coaches' polll. Loyola 3, UNI 6, Valpo 11, and a ridiculous five teams from the Valley in the top 25.)

[vu72]

After the win last night Valpo now ranked 93/351 in the Sagarins while The Valley remains at 9th.  Interestingly enough, The Summit is all the way up to 15th while the Horizon has fallen to 27th out of 32.  That folks, is Low Major.

[oklahomamick]

Thank goodness we got out.  Shame on the Valpo fans who even considered or debated staying in the HL. 

[talksalot]

For the season...

Valpo still has the T-10th longest winning streak for the year, at 8 (tied with 5 others)

Valpo has the T-9th longest Home court winning streak at 13, tied with Bucknell, Kentucky and Wyoming.


OH, Chicago State has the top two games in the "Point Spread" category...
Purdue 111-42 (69)
Northwestern 96-31 (65)

[talksalot]

I said it would be FUN to periodically look at this... well, the FUN part has gone away... but here's today's RealTimeRPI projection... who would have thought that SELA would be  our best win so far? OR, that Santa Clara (#345) would be a real drag on the RPI?   weird season.

11-15     at    SIU Edwardsville     4-9 (0-2)   229    94-69    W
  11-19         SE Louisiana     5-7 (2-0)   180    83-50    W
  11-21         Samford     3-9 (1-0)   281    88-67    W
  11-24     vs    Kent St.     6-7 (1-0)   219    77-67    W
  11-25     vs    N.C. Wilmington     1-10 (0-1)   339    79-70    W
  11-28         Utah St.     7-7 (1-1)   216    72-65    W
  12-07     at    Purdue     13-2 (2-0)   14    50-80    L
  12-09     at    Ball St.     9-4 (1-0)   103    70-71    L
  12-14     at    Northwestern     9-5 (1-1)   76    50-84    L
  12-18     at    Santa Clara     3-9 (1-1)   345    76-68    W
?  12-20     at    UC Riverside     3-9 (0-0)   269    60-73    L
  12-28     at    Indiana St.     4-8 (1-1)   200    64-73    L
  12-31         Missouri St.     12-3 (3-0)   56    50-67    L
  01-03     at    Bradley     10-4 (1-1)   136    64-76 L - Scouting   
  01-06         Southern Ill.     8-6 (1-1)   151    74-71 W - Scouting   
  01-10         Drake     7-7 (2-0)   158    81-73 W - Scouting   
  01-13     at    Northern Iowa     6-6 (0-2)   81    59-75 L - Scouting   
  01-17     at    Missouri St.     12-3 (3-0)   56    64-80 L - Scouting   
  01-21         Loyola Chicago     10-4 (1-2)   88    74-72 W - Scouting   
  01-24         Evansville     8-5 (0-2)   107    74-66 W - Scouting   
  01-27     at    Illinois St.     7-6 (2-0)   65    74-80 L - Scouting   
  01-31         Indiana St.     4-8 (1-1)   200    81-68 W - Scouting   
  02-03     at    Southern Ill.     8-6 (1-1)   151    66-79 L - Scouting   
  02-07     at    Evansville     8-5 (0-2)   107    65-74 L - Scouting   
  02-11         Illinois St.     7-6 (2-0)   65    82-72 W - Scouting   
  02-14     at    Loyola Chicago     10-4 (1-2)   88    66-80 L - Scouting   
  02-17         Bradley     10-4 (1-1)   136    72-68 W - Scouting   
  02-20         Northern Iowa     6-6 (0-2)   81    67-68 L - Scouting   
  02-24     at    Drake     7-7 (2-0)   158    73-81 L - Scouting   
Current Record: 7-6 (0-2)
GAMER Projected Record: 14-15 (7-11

[talksalot]

updating this from today's list... they changed ONE game... we are now predicted to win the game at home against Northern Iowa...

  02-20         Northern Iowa     6-9 (0-5)   147    68-66 W - Scouting   
  02-24     at    Drake     9-8 (4-1)   149    71-81 L - Scouting   
Current Record: 9-7 (2-3)
GAMER Projected Record: 15-14 (8-10)

realTimeRpi has us as 14-point UNDERDOGS at Northern Iowa
WarrenNolan has us as 3 point underdogs; the ELO computer says "Pick-em" at 59-59

[agibson]

For the first time that I've noticed, we're now at the bottom of the Valley in KenPom. 168. Which isn't bad for a conference bottom (at some point we were one of the top three conferences or so in the country in terms of "best weakest team"). Just behind 165 Drake and 167 ISU.

We'd still be 4th in the Horizon.

[talksalot]

Super Bowl Sunday rankings... RealTimeRpi

52  Loyola Chicago 9-3   18-5  0.5787 152  0.5010
Up 31 From Last WeekUp 31 From Last Week  +31 77  Illinois St. 7-5   12-11  0.5554 45  0.5655
Up 13 From Last WeekUp 13 From Last Week  +13 89  Southern Ill. 8-4   15-9  0.5477 114  0.5203
Down 13 From Last WeekDown 13 From Last Week  -13 97  Bradley 7-5   16-8  0.5454 153  0.5003
Down 2 From Last Week  -2 115  Evansville 5-7   13-10  0.5331 101  0.5273
Down 29 From Last WeekDown 29 From Last Week  -29 122  Missouri St. 5-7   14-10  0.5314 123  0.5162
Up 10 From Last WeekUp 10 From Last Week  +10 147  Drake 7-5   12-12  0.5125 134  0.5100
Down 5 From Last Week  -5 163  Indiana St. 6-6   9-13  0.5051 88  0.5357
Down 31 From Last WeekDown 31 From Last Week  -31 164  Northern Iowa 3-9   9-13  0.5049 59  0.5584   RPI is the tiebreaker after Head-to-Head.
No Change from last week  187  Valparaiso 3-9   10-13  0.4923 142  0.5059


11-15   at  SIU Edwardsville   8-15 (4-8) 250  94-69  W
  11-19     SE Louisiana   11-10 (8-3) 211  83-50  W
  11-21     Samford   6-17 (4-8) 291  88-67  W
  11-24   vs  Kent St.   11-11 (6-4) 155  77-67  W
  11-25   vs  N.C. Wilmington   5-17 (4-8) 287  79-70  W
  11-28     Utah St.   12-11 (6-5) 146  72-65  W
  12-07   at  Purdue   23-2 (12-0) 7  50-80  L
  12-09   at  Ball St.   13-9 (5-5) 123  70-71  L
  12-14   at  Northwestern   13-10 (5-6) 95  50-84  L
  12-18   at  Santa Clara   7-15 (5-7) 274  76-68  W
??  12-20   at  UC Riverside   3-17 (0-8) 321  60-73  L
  12-28   at  Indiana St.   9-13 (6-6) 163  64-73  L
  12-31     Missouri St.   14-10 (5-7) 122  50-67  L
  01-03   at  Bradley   16-8 (7-5) 97  71-80  L
  01-06     Southern Ill.   15-9 (8-4) 89  83-72  W
  01-10     Drake   12-12 (7-5) 147  77-60  W
  01-13   at  Northern Iowa   9-13 (3-9) 164  76-81  L
  01-17   at  Missouri St.   14-10 (5-7) 122  57-64  L
  01-21     Loyola Chicago   18-5 (9-3) 52  54-70  L
  01-24     Evansville   13-10 (5-7) 115  65-75  L
  01-27   at  Illinois St.   12-11 (7-5) 77  65-76  L
  01-31     Indiana St.   9-13 (6-6) 163  69-63  W
  02-03   at  Southern Ill.   15-9 (8-4) 89  59-65  L
  02-07   at  Evansville   13-10 (5-7) 115  63-73 L - Scouting   
  02-11     Illinois St.   12-11 (7-5) 77  79-69 W - Scouting   
  02-14   at  Loyola Chicago   18-5 (9-3) 52  60-78 L - Scouting   
  02-17     Bradley   16-8 (7-5) 97  69-66 W - Scouting   
  02-20     Northern Iowa   9-13 (3-9) 164  67-66 W - Scouting   On Senior Day
  02-24   at  Drake   12-12 (7-5) 147  71-80 L - Scouting   

Current Record: 10-13 (3-9) - D1 only
GAMER Projected Record: 13-16 (6-12)

[agibson]

For a game or so we had pushed to #9 in the MVC in the KenPom, ahead of Drake I think. After the latest game (for us and others), we're currently back in 10th. #172 overall.

5 schools 140-172, 4 schools 114-124, and Loyola 56.

[VU2014]

No surprise here. We're a below average in offensive efficiency but we're slightly above average in defensive efficiency.

https://twitter.com/SynergySST/status/962418832915787778

[talksalot]

... and no surprise that it took a deep-3 for Sparty to Boiler-down...which of course hurts Valpo's RPI...

our RPI feel from 192 to 196 TODAY...Thanks to Boilers, Wildcats and SIUE... Santa Clara DID pull the upset over San Diego and SELA beat McNeese in a pickem game... but alas... not enough...

[talksalot]

Not that it really matters, but VU's RPI has risen to 181 (from 182 last week) with an SOS of 129.... Loyola has risen to 14 in the RPI, with an SOS of 93.

[justducky]

Not that it really matters, but VU's RPI has risen to 181 (from 182 last week) with an SOS of 129.... Loyola has risen to 14 in the RPI, with an SOS of 93.

I have been watching our rise. Our season started strong, ended competitive, and was "god awful" during the middle Burtonless transition.

A couple years from now I will remember this 181 RPI benchmark and associate it with some solid February performances. In contrast our Feb 2014 ending RPI of 193 ?? will reflect as being much less impressive. I think a lot of foundational groundwork was accomplished in our last 10 games.

[agibson]

Here toward the end of the post-season and in the middle of Loyola's historic run I thought it would be fun to take a look at rankings.

March 5, the day after the MVC final, was the day of the last coaches poll. Loyola sat #28 (19 points), picking up votes for the fifth consecutive week. They had some early season votes, presumably during their unbeaten phase, like we did. In the MidMajor top 25 they were behind Gonzaga and St. Mary's. In the AP they were 29th.

The AP and the MidMajor updated March 12, with no additional games played for Loyola. Loyola rose to 27th and 2nd.

I think the AP will vote one more time after the NCAA final. It'll be interesting to see where Loyola winds up!

In the Kenpom we did finish the season above Drake (150 to their 157). Loyola's currently at 30. (Against the other final four teams 1, 7, 8). In the Horizon, only Northern Kentucky (92) and Wright State (138) finished above us.

In the MidMajor Top 25 Loyola was actually the only MVC to get even a vote in their final poll. Wright State finished 20th, Northern Kentucky 25th

[crusadermoe]

Good dose of perspective on our season.  Thanks!

[agibson]

I think the AP will vote one more time after the NCAA final. It'll be interesting to see where Loyola winds up!

Loyola did get #7 in the post-season coaches poll. Their only ranking of the season (previous high was 37/36 early, probably while still undefeated, and 27/28 late).

They did also get #1 in the mid-major coaches poll, though one coach still picked Gonzaga over them.