Somehow this got missed - Dale Carlson

[IndyValpo]

Coach Carlson was fired after two seasons at Lindenwood - Belleville after seasons of 4-6 followed by 0-10.

http://www.lindenwoodlynx.com/news/2016/11/30/football-head-coach-dale-carlson-relieved-of-coaching-duties.aspx?path=football

[vu72]

Coach Carlson was fired after two seasons at Lindenwood - Belleville after seasons of 4-6 followed by 0-10.

http://www.lindenwoodlynx.com/news/2016/11/30/football-head-coach-dale-carlson-relieved-of-coaching-duties.aspx?path=football

Wow!  Pretty short rope.  What the heck would Joel Osteen be telling him now??

[VULB#62]

Short leash?  No, I think his past performance at VU and the fear of it's continuation there was the factor. Not surprising when you check the schedule and note that at L-BU defense was, once again, a forgotten concept.

16-31
0-25
19-24
7-63
7-14
0-66
13-20
6-52
45-48
6-49

PF - 119
PA - 392

BTW, his 2015 record of 4-6 showed a better offense output but they still let up scores like 45, 48, 74, 69, and 41

[usc4valpo]

This dude is going to have a tough time finding a head coaching job.

[VULB#62]

In 1969, Lawrence J. Peter published a book called "The Peter Principle,"  the foundation of which is that "in a hierarchy (such a coaching football, starting at the grad assist level, moving up through position assignments, then coordinator roles to eventually the Head FB Coach job), every employee tends to rise to their level of incompetence." The theory is that the selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate's performance in their current role, rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, i.e., "managers rise to the level of their incompetence."

Scott Adams looks at it a little differently.   The Dilbert Principle, by contrast, assumes that hierarchy just serves as a means for removing the incompetent to "higher" positions where they will be unable to cause damage to the workflow, assuming that the upper echelons of an organization have little relevance to its actual production, and that the majority of real, productive work in a company is done by people lower in the power ladder. Unlike the Peter principle, the promoted individuals were not particularly good at any job they previously held, so placing them in a supervisory position is a way to quietly remove them from the workforce without actually firing them, rather than a reward for meritorious service. 

While both principles are valid given certain circumstances, in this situation, The Peter Principle clearly applies.  Most people don't know they have exhausted their competence until its too late.  Dale Carlson is probably a very good Offensive Coordinator.  But he had risen above his level of competence.  We found that out to our chagrin.  The events at L-BU only confirmed that. 

[valpofb16]

Thought of Valpo as a stepping stone. Cared more about proving his offense was potent than winning football games. Mistreated many players on campus and alienated quite a few of my friends. Good person in terms of as a man, would not recommend as a coach.

[VUOR63]

Maybe he'll go sell auto, home and life insurance now.

[usc4valpo]

Once you get down to it career wise,  Dale Carlson is a poor man version of Marc "Dr. Death" Trestman when he was head coach of the Bears. Offensive mindset, terrible head coach.

[bbtds]

https://www.washubears.com/sports/fball/coaches/Carlson?view=bio


The Osteen factor is a big part of the history of this board. Carlson is long gone but his incredible ineptitude will live on a long time on this board.

                                                G     W   L   T       %         
16   Dale Carlson   2010–2013   43   3   40   0   .070   

[vu72]

https://www.washubears.com/sports/fball/coaches/Carlson?view=bio


The Osteen factor is a big part of the history of this board. Carlson is long gone but his incredible ineptitude will live on a long time on this board.

                                                G     W   L   T       %         
16   Dale Carlson   2010–2013   43   3   40   0   .070   

It can be summed up by the score of his final game prior to being canned--Butler 72, Valpo 12.  Bye Bye.

[valpo95]

https://www.washubears.com/sports/fball/coaches/Carlson?view=bio


The Osteen factor is a big part of the history of this board. Carlson is long gone but his incredible ineptitude will live on a long time on this board.

                                                G     W   L   T       %         
16   Dale Carlson   2010–2013   43   3   40   0   .070   

In five years, Stacy Adam went 15-40, which is not Carlson-level ineptitude, yet was still pretty inept.

Tom Horne was 67-101-1 in 16 seasons: This is hardly a stellar record, yet Horne showed that it is possible to field competitive teams during his time at VU.

More broadly, some prior postings pointed out a supposed lack of commitment to football. The reality is that the ineptitude of Stacey Adams followed by that of Dale Carlson is truly staggering, and those nine years are what many remember about VU football. Neither one was at all effective as a head coach.

[VULB#62]

And it should be mentioned that, since Cecchini came on board (and it is continuing with Fox), our schedule has gotten increasingly tougher.  No more lower-tier D-IIIs to fatten the win column (which accounted for a lot of Adams' wins -- can't say that about Carlson -- he lost those games). I can't recall a tougher first seven games than what we faced this year -- 4 scholarship programs followed by the iron of the PFL.  To date, the W/L record of our OOC opponents is 24-8.  Both CCSU and TSU are 7-1!!!  EKU is 5-3 but that includes a loss to FBS Louisville.  And Drake and USD are 4-0 in the PFL after taking their lumps against scholarship programs as well. 

[valpo64]

It's great to finally see some positive comments about the program. I believe the program's future is brighter with Coach Fox....go Crusaders!

[vu72]

Tom Horne was 67-101-1 in 16 seasons: This is hardly a stellar record, yet Horne showed that it is possible to field competitive teams during his time at VU.

And he was the Head Coach during our last PFL Championship.

[valpofb16]

Fox really has had a bear of a schedule

Things will get interesting for next year though

QB: Presumably Duncan will be In the transfer portal meaning he will need to be replaced. Nimz seems like a no brainer but red flags as both staffs have refused to go to him in losing seasons.

RB: Lose top 3 but Allison appears to be feature back moving forward

WR: Return everyone mins Koehler must be improved unit

OL: lose Biggs, Zajac, Jarnigan, overall need numbers set to have 10 for spring (not including Russell injury)

DL: Appear set here hopefully Goebel stays one more

LB: Psota looks to be a player, Peifer a returner, Turner huge loss

DB: Booker is a major major loss, the rest return.

Overall positive momentum but he needs a major recruiting class to avoid a deep hole record wise