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wh

#475
April 29, 2021, 07:07:35 PM
Amazing spread in the newspaper. First class! Big time!

https://twitter.com/jeffpattOKC/status/1387450028831219712?s=20

wh

#476
April 29, 2021, 08:13:54 PM
The no. 2 Super 5 player is a 4-star 6-5 PG ranked 55th in ESPN's Top 100. The other 3 are all 3-stars. 3 of the 4 will be playing for P-5 programs. The other is from Tulsa, committed to Tulsa.

vuny98

#477
April 30, 2021, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: wh on April 29, 2021, 07:07:35 PMAmazing spread in the newspaper. First class! Big time! https://twitter.com/jeffpattOKC/status/1387450028831219712?s=20
The more I see the more I like... We suddenly have a pretty mature team but will Young be good enough to start day 1? I originally thought by the end of the year Young would be in the starting lineup but maybe that was too conservative. He could be a day 1 starter if it plays out.

And that's not even to mention that the other three freshmen are all promising as well.

wh

#478
May 04, 2021, 08:39:26 PM Last Edit: May 04, 2021, 08:42:33 PM by wh
In case anyone is under the impression that we have 4 2-star freshman recruits because they're listed that way on Verbal Commits, you are being misled.

VC does not rate players. They pull ratings from 3 services - Rivals, ESPN, and 247 Sports (formerly Scout) - and average them. If only 2 of the 3 ranked the player they average those 2. If only 1 service rated the player, they use that rating.

IF NONE OF THE 3 HAVE RATED THE PLAYER, VC AUTOMATICALLY DEFAULTS TO 2 STARS. That is the case with all 4 of our recruits. Thus, they are not 2's, they are unranked. Even then, VC erred with Trey Woodyard. He is ranked 3-stars by 247 Sports, and VC missed it.

The bottom line is we have 1 3-star player and 3 who are unrated. I read that rating services have had to significantly scale back since COVID - cancelled games, cancelled seasons, quarantines, no fans or observers in person, less video, limited AAU games, camps, etc. Last, but not least, some coaches (and parents) are highly focused on getting their players ranked, others aren't.

In Keyondre's case, he dominated in match-ups against 3's and 4's on his way to a 6-A state championship and OK POY. To think he would be ranked 2-stars would be absurd. As to Cameron, it's hard to imagine someone who averaged 30PPG and 45% from 3 wouldn't be a 3. And Darius, who knows? They didn't even have a season.

vu72

#479
May 05, 2021, 08:39:18 AM Last Edit: May 05, 2021, 10:18:22 AM by vu72
Quote from: wh on May 04, 2021, 08:39:26 PM
In case anyone is under the impression that we have 4 2-star freshman recruits because they're listed that way on Verbal Commits, you are being misled.

VC does not rate players. They pull ratings from 3 services - Rivals, ESPN, and 247 Sports (formerly Scout) - and average them. If only 2 of the 3 ranked the player they average those 2. If only 1 service rated the player, they use that rating.

IF NONE OF THE 3 HAVE RATED THE PLAYER, VC AUTOMATICALLY DEFAULTS TO 2 STARS. That is the case with all 4 of our recruits. Thus, they are not 2's, they are unranked. Even then, VC erred with Trey Woodyard. He is ranked 3-stars by 247 Sports, and VC missed it.

The bottom line is we have 1 3-star player and 3 who are unrated. I read that rating services have had to significantly scale back since COVID - cancelled games, cancelled seasons, quarantines, no fans or observers in person, less video, limited AAU games, camps, etc. Last, but not least, some coaches (and parents) are highly focused on getting their players ranked, others aren't.

In Keyondre's case, he dominated in match-ups against 3's and 4's on his way to a 6-A state championship and OK POY. To think he would be ranked 2-stars would be absurd. As to Cameron, it's hard to imagine someone who averaged 30PPG and 45% from 3 wouldn't be a 3. And Darius, who knows? They didn't even have a season.



247 had Thomas Kithier ranked a 3 star and #31 PF in the country coming out of high school.  They had Joe Hedstrom rated a 3 star and the #62 ranked center and Trevor Anderson ranked a 3 star and the #92 point guard in the country. 247 also has Trey Woodyard ranked as a 3 star and the #64 small forward in the country.
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FWalum

#480
May 05, 2021, 02:20:09 PM
Trey Alexander is ranked number 55 in the ESPN top 100 players in the class of 2021. Keyondre Young beat him out for the super five player of the year in Oklahoma. If young is not a three or four star player then he had no business being voted ahead of Trey Alexander for POY. 

All of these rankings are so subjective they virtually mean nothing in the big picture.
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96

#481
May 06, 2021, 10:07:15 AM
Valpo might of found a diamond in the rough, with keyondre Young

IrishDawg

#482
May 06, 2021, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: 96 on May 06, 2021, 10:07:15 AM
Valpo might of found a diamond in the rough, with keyondre Young

The problem isn't finding them, it's keeping them and developing them for 4 seasons.  Fingers crossed he is as good as hoped and sticks around (unless he is going pro early).

bbtds

#483
May 08, 2021, 11:37:28 AM
Quote from: FWalum on May 05, 2021, 02:20:09 PM
Trey Alexander is ranked number 55 in the ESPN top 100 players in the class of 2021. Keyondre Young beat him out for the super five player of the year in Oklahoma. If young is not a three or four star player then he had no business being voted ahead of Trey Alexander for POY. 

All of these rankings are so subjective they virtually mean nothing in the big picture.

Amen!

vu72

#487
May 16, 2021, 11:03:11 AM
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VUBBFan

#488
June 28, 2021, 12:09:13 PM
Really seems to take his craft seriously. I like seeing someone constantly trying to get better.

https://twitter.com/Fox_Ball_/status/1409299841562382339

tiny707

#489
May 09, 2023, 07:02:07 PM
Wonder how Keyondre Young will do at De Paul? They did well in the transfer portal this year...

Chairback

#490
May 09, 2023, 08:24:19 PM
Who cares.  keyondre moved on, so should you.

tiny707

#491
May 09, 2023, 09:00:46 PM
De Paul fan so I will be watching..

JD24

#492
May 10, 2023, 12:23:39 PM
Quote from: tiny707 on May 09, 2023, 07:02:07 PMWonder how Keyondre Young will do at De Paul? They did well in the transfer portal this year...
Didn't exactly light it up at Triton. Looks like he would have fit right into Valpo's squad.

96

#493
May 29, 2023, 10:44:18 AM
Get your popcorn ready, DePaul baby

wh

#494
May 29, 2023, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: 96 on May 29, 2023, 10:44:18 AM
Get your popcorn ready, DePaul baby

IMO Keyondre was totally jacked around as a freshman, so I wasn't surprised when he transferred. He went from being redshirted to playing some but not much to a mysterious "season ending" thumb injury in an obvious attempt to salvage the mess created by Matt's "coaching by indecision" methodology.

Whether he made the right decision by following someone's advice to go JC for a year of seasoning, only time will tell. Yes, he's in the Big East, but DePaul is in the Big East like Evansville is in the MVC. Maybe he will be part of a big turnaround there. I wish him nothing but the best.
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