Davidson @ Valpo

covufan · November 10, 2012, 04:00:51 PM

Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 10, 2012, 03:32:32 PM
oren tweeting: "Valparaiso kicking off from Davidson 35 after two personal foul penalties on VU touchdown. Unreal. #ValpoGameDay" can somebody who's been following the game explain this?

The announcers couldn't explain it either. I didn't see the kickoff, but did we try to onside kick it?

There were some other questionable calls, that the flag came out late and no good explanation, including a TD for Valpo taken off the board.

setshot · November 10, 2012, 04:45:36 PM

Tough loss to another inferior team. Wait till next week. 1-10 on the season? Book it!

valpotx · November 10, 2012, 04:45:44 PM

That was one of the worst football games I have ever sat through. I have never seen so many bad calls and spots against one school, and to top it off, an absolutely moronic celebration penalty by our team in OT that gives them the ball at our 12 to start their possession. Oh wait, to even top that, we had just missed that extra point, so we lose on a missed XP...you have got to be freaking kidding me.

Has our running attack always started 6 yards behind the line of scrimmage this year? This is the first game I have watched, and starting that far behind the line on every running play is simply not smart.

IndyValpo · November 10, 2012, 04:49:38 PM

Unbelievable loss. Horrible officiating. A continuation of our sloppy undisciplined play.

KL31NY · November 10, 2012, 04:53:16 PM

Only saw Davidson's first score of the game and the last score of the game while attending to some work. Two questions: can anyone watching explain Pando's missed extra point (wide, blocked, whatever) and is there any chance that there'll be highlights put online? For the latter, I'd just love to see some of the better plays of the game that I missed while working.

valpotx · November 10, 2012, 04:57:55 PM

A little bit high of a snap, but recoved in plenty of time, with him pushing it wide. You could see Carlson giving him an earful when he came off after that kick

usc4valpo · November 10, 2012, 07:56:47 PM

Quote from: valpotx on November 10, 2012, 04:57:55 PMA little bit high of a snap, but recoved in plenty of time, with him pushing it wide. You could see Carlson giving him an earful when he came off after that kick

Carlson getting on the kicker in OT is really going to make a difference. Unbelievable, then again, we are talking about a coach who has been 2-30. I was listening to parts of the game while I was studying, and Davison was a brutal team that should be an easy win. Heartbreak, man.

Thank goodness USC is back on track.

VULB#62 · November 10, 2012, 09:15:16 PM

Quote from: valpotx on November 10, 2012, 04:45:44 PM
That was one of the worst football games I have ever sat through. I have never seen so many bad calls and spots against one school, and to top it off, an absolutely moronic celebration penalty by our team in OT that gives them the ball at our 12 to start their possession.

Watched half on my iPhone till the lightning break and the last part on my Mac at home with sound. I, too, have never seen so many offensive pass interferences called against one team. What bothered me most was that on the recalled TD the ball was caught and then run in from about twenty. The kids began celebrating and I see the back judge go for his flag and throw it a full 5-6 seconds AFTER the TD was scored. And the spot was way back behind the play. On the interception that was negated, the CB was running step for step, the safety came across just like it is written in the playbook, intercepted the ball, and 3 seconds later you see a flag come into the picture from a strange angle -- pass interference on the CB. On the 63 yard punt, Wood was hammered by three (count 'em three) Davidson players. The announcers went berserk (and usually they have been pretty balanced in their commentary) at the 5 yard running into the kicker instead of roughing and an automatic 1st down. The celebration in the end zone in OT was nothing inordinate either, IMO, to warrant that penalty that put Davidson on the 12.5 yard line.

That said, Valpo did not respond to Davidson in the second half in the same manner they attacked Campbell last week. The offense did not establish itself. As far as defense goes, we faced a team that historically all season could only run for 54 yards a game and relies 90% on the QB's arm, yet receivers were left open all second half for long yardage completions. We knew their go-to receiver, and we knew they were running delays across the shallow middle play after play, yet the go-to guy was not doubled and the LBs were dropping too deep to defend the shallow delay and no adjustments were made. In other words, we allowed the game to go to OT, and a missed kick cost us the game. The principle is that you take away what they do best and force the opponent to win doing what they are not good at. We didn't do that -- we gave up 400 passing yards. Davidson, on the other hand, took away our rushing attack (3.4 yards a carry) and forced us to win in it the air and we couldn't.

chef · November 10, 2012, 10:42:22 PM

I've watched the replay (a dozen times) of the offensive interference that negated the Tim Bennett touchdown. It's honestly one of the strangest calls you'll see. Fred Gladney is running a deep post pattern from the slot. At the end of his route he looks back to see if the ball is in the air. As he peaks back at the quarterback the ball is landing in the arms of a wide open Bennett at the sidelines. At that very moment the safety brushes Gladney in a feeble attempt to get to a football he has no shot at. Gladney never saw the safety and clearly didn't initiate contact. As strange as the call was, even more strange was the timing of the flag. Bennett had already run through the back of the end zone when the flag was thrown. I know officials make mistakes (as do announcers), but this call is so strange, I had to watch it 12 times over because I've never seen anything like it.

valpotx · November 10, 2012, 10:54:55 PM

It's ok to just say that these refs were terrible Chef. I will say it for you. These refs couldn't ref middle school games down here with that performance. Everything you and 62 said happened, and seemed very strange at the time they occurred. Not strange as in,
'crap, we got it called back, what poor luck,' but rather, 'you have got to be kidding me, the play was over 5 seconds ago and now they are throwing a flag?

' You were also correct on a lot of the strange spots, as you would see our guy go across the 40 or 45 without being down, but we would get spotted at the 38 and 43 in each instance. I usually give the guys in stripes the benefit of doubt, but they need to choose a new weekend hobby after that performance...

VULB#62 · November 11, 2012, 07:31:09 AM

Let's just hope the new contract finally gets ratified and the replacement refs can go back to....., oh wait. Different league. Sorry.

willy · November 11, 2012, 09:53:33 AM

I agree that the refs were sub par but they were bad for both teams. Davidson was not a very good team and this game should not have come down to blaming the refs for the loss. Davidson was the least athletic team Valpo has played so far and I've seen every game. The defense gave up over 500 yards of offense again which will never win games. The offensive play selection was also suspect. Valpos pass completion percentage is high because they don't throw the ball down the field. When its third and five it would be nice to throw the ball six yards instead of backwards on a bubble screen. Jake Hutson carries the ball 28 times against campbell for 248 yards last week and gets 8 carries this week. One of the wide receivers had 5 carries yesterday, tell me whats wrong with this picture! Morehead State dropped 70 points on Davidson two weeks ago, I hope Hutson is in the game plan this week and gets more than eight carries or I can see another blowout coming.

valporun · November 11, 2012, 03:01:13 PM

willy, if I remember correctly, Gabe Ali-El was back for this game, so it became a timeshare between him and Hutson. I'm not sure I like the idea of the timeshare, ride the hot streak, even if the #1 at the start of the season is back, keep him down while the backup is hot. Yes, a lot of the coaching decisions have been to blame this season, regardless of which coach made the decision. Sure, the box score shows the two receivers having carries, but unfortunately it seems Coach Carlson is all about Gabe Ali-El, instead of Jake Hutson. I've been talking about changing from Gabe to Jake before, and it was looking good, until Gabe was "healthy" again. I just wish the coaching staff would see that maybe Gabe would be a better fullback, than half-back?

willy · November 11, 2012, 03:21:28 PM

Quote from: valporun on November 11, 2012, 03:01:13 PMwilly, if I remember correctly, Gabe Ali-El was back for this game, so it became a timeshare between him and Hutson. I'm not sure I like the idea of the timeshare, ride the hot streak, even if the #1 at the start of the season is back, keep him down while the backup is hot. Yes, a lot of the coaching decisions have been to blame this season, regardless of which coach made the decision. Sure, the box score shows the two receivers having carries, but unfortunately it seems Coach Carlson is all about Gabe Ali-El, instead of Jake Hutson. I've been talking about changing from Gabe to Jake before, and it was looking good, until Gabe was "healthy" again. I just wish the coaching staff would see that maybe Gabe would be a better fullback, than half-back?

It wasn't a time share at all. Ali-El played a few snaps in the first quarter and that was about it, he ended the game with 3 carries and no receptions. Hutson played the entire game and should have been fed the ball. Hard to understand why a guy who rushes for 248 yards a week earlier isn't used the folowing week!!!!

valporun · November 11, 2012, 03:36:00 PM

It's possible Ali-El wasn't in the shape he needed to be, but I'm still saying that the game plan was for them to timeshare, and since the coaching staff doesn't adjust things well, they decided to get away from what worked and try something unexpected, that didn't work as well as hoped. I agree Hutson should be getting the ball more, and I don't know why Coach Carlson doesn't feed it to him consistently. It's like "riding the hot hand" in basketball, why not keep "driving with the right horse" in our running game. Hutson seems to be it, not Ali-El.

vu72 · November 11, 2012, 06:45:59 PM

I want to take a moment and reflect back on the missed extra point. My reflection comes from someone who actually has kicked extra points and tried to do that at Valpo as a freshman, only to find out that a guy named Bob Lampe could kick it harder and farther. In fact, Bob once hit a field goal from 50 yards.

Now, this might seem odd, old fashioned, old of date and weird, but I'll say it anyway. all those extra points were straight on kicks, no soccer style. In fact Garo Yepremian started the soccer style kicking in 1966 and gradually it became the norm.

Here's the point: The soccer style was adapted because you could develop more power and distance with this style of kicking. Nonetheless, when kicking an extra point, the ball only has to fly about 20 yards, something most of us could do to this day.

When I kicked, my shoe had a built in square toe. All I had to do was hit it somewhere near the middle and it generally flew the required distance. The idea of a "shank" was something religated to golf, not football. Next time you are on a football field, go to one end, back up about 10 yards from the goal line and then look at the goal post. It shouldn't be that hard, a block not withstanding.

I guess what I'm suggesting may seem odd, but, I'll suggest it anyway: For extra points, go back to a straight away kick (with a square toe).

setshot · November 11, 2012, 07:01:25 PM

Lampe just won his sixth consecutive men's golf championship at our club here in SC. A good athlete. His son-in-law,Brandon Jacobs,will be positive factor in the 49er's run to the Super Bowl. Book it!

VULB#62 · November 11, 2012, 07:21:58 PM

Bob Lampe graduated from Concordia Prep, Bronxville, NY back in the late 60's (I believe). He was playing at Bronxville while I was at Valpo. The Prep no longer exists. He was a do everything QB at the Prep and went to Valpo and payed DB. I played at to the Prep before him (captained the 8-0 1961 team) and also moved on to VU. After VU I returned to Concordia to coach. Missed Lampe but saw film (16 mm of course).

The world is so small.

KL31NY · November 11, 2012, 07:32:16 PM

Not a bad idea, 72. I actually was a straight-on kicker early in high school until losing the job to a better straight-on kicker. As little as we kick, an old school kicker for XPs and the few chip shots we try shouldn't be much of a detriment at all.

Also, to note back on the game that brings on this discussion, this was our first overtime game since VU-Davidson on Homecoming 2008 which we won 35-29. We scored first, David Hamaker missed the PAT wide left, and Anthony Curry intercepted the Wildcats to preserve the lead and gain the win. That was the first Crusader football game I ever attended, and I believe the only VUFB win I've ever seen in person. We were down big early, came back in the 2nd half, won it in OT, and the team stormed the field. It was a great day.

vu72 · November 11, 2012, 08:08:51 PM

Quote from: VULB#62 on November 11, 2012, 07:21:58 PM
Bob Lampe graduated from Concordia Prep, Bronxville, NY back in the late 60's (I believe). He was playing at Bronxville while I was at Valpo. The Prep no longer exists. He was a do everything QB at the Prep and went to Valpo and payed DB. I played at to the Prep before him (captained the 8-0 1961 team) and also moved on to VU. After VU I returned to Concordia to coach. Missed Lampe but saw film (16 mm of course).

The world is so small.

Bob did not play DB at Valpo. He played QB. My memory tells me that he was All State NY of some sort. true? As we were classmates, he must have graduated from high school in 67.

VULB#62 · November 12, 2012, 07:54:43 AM

My bad on the Valpo position -- based it on what I had heard.

He got all sorts of accolades in Westchester County, NY and probably got some state-wide recognition. Concordia Prep, was a boarding pre-college and pre-ministerial prep school, and at the time enrollment was down to probably about 140-150 boys grades 9-12 (my graduating class numbered 47). When I coached there, right after Lampe graduated, the enrollment was going down. The last season (67 or 68?) was cancelled after 3 or 4 games because there were less than 20 kids on the roster.