Valpo in the Polls (and the HL too)

[covufan]

I agree, but in defense of the number crunchers it is also important to know where we stand against our peers if the goal is to become a program that can be chosen as an at large candidate in those years when you don't win the conference tournament or if we want to be considered for a multi-bid conference.

I agree, as I also look to the computer rankings for comparisons.  As for an at-large berth, we need to be in the top 40 of RPI or other polls (the NCAA selection committee uses more than RPI).  To be considered for an at-large, we need to be in top 50.  I use the Massey comparison rankings, which averages most of the rankings and polls.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm

[covufan]

I agree, but in defense of the number crunchers it is also important to know where we stand against our peers if the goal is to become a program that can be chosen as an at large candidate in those years when you don't win the conference tournament or if we want to be considered for a multi-bid conference.

I agree, as I also look to the computer rankings for comparisons.  As for an at-large berth, we need to be in the top 40 of RPI or other polls (the NCAA selection committee uses more than RPI).  To be considered for an at-large, we need to be in top 50.  I use the Massey comparison rankings, which averages most of the rankings and polls.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm

Right now I'm liking Nolan:

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/npi

[a3uge]

Valpo was 60 RPI pretty much all day. Valpo was down .01 to Alabama. Looked at all Big South teams impacted by Alabama (was at 59) and of course, Coastal Carolina had a .01 impact. There was a brief time where Coastal Carolina lost and Valpo was exactly tied with Alabama (they had a presumable alphabetical tiebreaker). Then Alabama lost, so Valpo moved up the full spot to sit at 59. Detroit is now at 58. Funny how close they are.

[agibson]

Old news, but let me slap this up for posterity.

Valpo continues to be outside of any upward momentum.

Wright State did pick up one #25 vote.

Update: March 4th, 2013

1.    Gonzaga (31)    29-2    775    1    West Coast
2.    Middle Tennessee    27-4    730    2    Sun Belt
3.    Saint Mary's    26-5    692    4    West Coast
4.    Louisiana Tech    24-3    653    7    WAC
5.    Belmont    24-6    642    6    Ohio Valley
6.    Stephen F. Austin    24-3    577    8    Southland
7.    Creighton    24-7    572    11    Missouri Valley
8.    Akron    23-5    568    5    Mid-American
9.    Bucknell    25-5    534    9    Patriot
10.    Davidson    23-7    522    10    Southern
11.    Wichita State    24-7    487    3    Missouri Valley
12.    Valparaiso    24-7    441    12    Horizon
13.    Montana    20-6    354    14    Big Sky
14.    Denver    19-8    352    16    WAC
15.    Weber State    22-5    315    18    Big Sky
16.    BYU    21-10    309    15    West Coast
17.    Stony Brook    23-6    269    19    America East
18.    Ohio    21-8    249    17    Mid-American
19.    South Dakota State    22-9    178    20    Summit
20.    Western Illinois    21-7    134    21    Summit
21.    Murray State    20-9    127    13    Ohio Valley
22.    Lehigh    20-8    125    23    Patriot
23.    Detroit    20-11    103    22    Horizon
24.    Norfolk State    19-10    64    25    MEAC
25.    Robert Morris    20-9    46    NR    Northeast

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: New Mexico State 40, Eastern Kentucky 38, Northern Iowa 27, Evansville 22, Princeton 21, Indiana State 19, North Dakota State 18, College of Charleston 11, Long Beach State 11, North Carolina Central 8, Bryant 6, Northwestern State 5, Gardner-Webb 4, Niagara 4, Western Michigan 4, Elon 3, Northeastern 2, Tennessee State 2, Utah State 2, Hartford 1, Harvard 1, Mercer 1, Rider 1, Santa Clara 1, Wright State 1.

[VULB#62]

Hey,

Football guy wondering about that list. 

Middle Tennessee of the Sun Belt  #2     #2   

Creighton of the MVC # 7   

Wichita State of the MVC #11   

Detroit #23   

Doesn't make sense to me.  Looking for guidance and logic.

[agibson]

And, on the win Valpo's RPI rises... to 60.  Not sure this should count as a home win if talksalot can't get behind us.

At least we've passed Detroit (who falls to 65).

The collection just behind us isn't bad either.

61 is Alabama on their half court buzzer beater.
62 is Baylor knocking off Kansas and keeping their NCAA hopes alive.
63 is Stephen T. Austin who will be tough competition for NCAA seeding.
64 Stanford.. I've got no story.

[talksalot]

Home Win, for sure... I don't take credit for this one... that home CROWD was the catalyst for this win No Doubt !!    First time ever with 15 "currently verifiable" wins at home in the same season... It wasn't too bad tonight doing both teams enthusiastically, unfortunately a little too easy at time for GB...

Someone will argue about the 1944-45 and the 1923-24 teams that had enough wins on their record to possibly break the 15-at-home or 10-on-the-road records... but ONE of the must be broken this year...research research research... something for the off-season.

[oklahomamick]

Every bracketology I've seen has Valpo as a 14.

[FWalum]

Every bracketology I've seen has Valpo as a 14.

The ESPN BPI rankings list has us at a 13. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi/_/type/tournament

[valpo04]

Well, well well... look who is receiving vote(s) in the AP Poll:

Others receiving votes: Saint Mary's 117, Butler 105, North Carolina 49, Colorado State 48, Temple 20, Belmont 13, UNLV 7, Wichita State 6, Kentucky 5, Oregon 4, Valparaiso 1, Villanova 1

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2013/poll/1/week/19

[ValpoHoops]

Special thanks to John Feinstein of National Public Radio (one of three "national" voters along with Dick Vitale and Seth Davis) for the vote   

[valpotx]

That sounds like it is a quality vote 

[agibson]

Nice! 

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/interactives/_sports/top25_basketball/voters/men.html?SITE=AP

Who was it last time?  Elton Alexander of the Plain Dealer?  With us at #23 in the preseason poll?

I can't help but note that Stephen T. Austin, who will likely compete with us for seeds, picked up a vote in the coaches' poll.  (And has received votes in three other weeks this season.)

[valporun]

Who is Stephen T. Austin? An oil broker in Nebraska or some Wall Street guy? I know there is a school in Texas called Stephen F. Austin, and he has a bit of history behind him...

[valpotx]

Nice! 

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/interactives/_sports/top25_basketball/voters/men.html?SITE=AP

Who was it last time?  Elton Alexander of the Plain Dealer?  With us at #23 in the preseason poll?

I can't help but note that Stephen T. Austin, who will likely compete with us for seeds, picked up a vote in the coaches' poll.  (And has received votes in three other weeks this season.)

Ouch, that is sacrilege!!!!  The Texas founders are rolling over in their graves, including Stephen F. Austin. 

[agibson]

Clearly I'm better off going back to my usual practice of leaving out the middle initial.

As for the mid-major poll, I'm afraid Valpo may _remain_ stuck at 12. 

LA Tech did drop two games on the road, but to the other top teams in the WAC (who's again passed us as a conference).  I don't see them falling all the way to 12, but who knows.

Similarly I don't imagine that Wichita State falling in the MVC title game is enough to allow us to pass them - but maybe.

[bbtds]

Special thanks to John Feinstein of National Public Radio (one of three "national" voters along with Dick Vitale and Seth Davis) for the vote

I'm sure that the victory over Cuonzo Martin's Missouri State Bears has stuck in Dick's mind and keeps Valpo in his thoughts over other teams.  I find John Feinstein very capable of looking outside all the hype and really evaluating the teams. His reports on NPR are extremely fascinating.

[humbleopinion]

Special thanks to John Feinstein of National Public Radio (one of three "national" voters along with Dick Vitale and Seth Davis) for the vote

I'm sure that the victory over Cuonzo Martin's Missouri State Bears has stuck in Dick's mind and keeps Valpo in his thoughts over other teams.  I find John Feinstein very capable of looking outside all the hype and really evaluating the teams. His reports on NPR are extremely fascinating.

One more reason to support public radio...

[bbtds]

Special thanks to John Feinstein of National Public Radio (one of three "national" voters along with Dick Vitale and Seth Davis) for the vote

I'm sure that the victory over Cuonzo Martin's Missouri State Bears has stuck in Dick's mind and keeps Valpo in his thoughts over other teams.  I find John Feinstein very capable of looking outside all the hype and really evaluating the teams. His reports on NPR are extremely fascinating.

One more reason to support public radio...

WFYI gets my money here in Indy.

[ValpoHoops]

As for the mid-major poll, I'm afraid Valpo may _remain_ stuck at 12. 

Up to #10 FWIW

[agibson]

Indeed!  I'd missed Akron's loss to Kent State.  That dropped them six slots, and below us.  Wichita State's loss in the MVC title game caused them, a little surprisingly, to swap places with us.

Wright State, deservedly, picks up some more votes.  While Detroit hangs around in the top 25.

Update: March 11th, 2013

1.    Gonzaga (31)    30-2    775    1    West Coast
2.    Saint Mary's    27-5    719    3    West Coast
3.    Belmont    26-6    695    5    Ohio Valley
4.    Creighton    27-7    688    7    Missouri Valley
5.    Stephen F. Austin    26-3    629    6    Southland
6.    Middle Tennessee    28-5    627    2    Sun Belt
7.    Bucknell    27-5    559    9    Patriot
8.    Louisiana Tech    26-5    541    4    WAC
9.    Davidson    25-7    521    10    Southern
10.    Valparaiso    25-7    474    12    Horizon
11.    Wichita State    26-8    463    11    Missouri Valley
12.    Denver    21-8    455    14    WAC
13.    Montana    23-6    412    13    Big Sky
14.    Akron    24-6    380    8    Mid-American
15.    Weber State    24-5    336    15    Big Sky
16.    Ohio    23-8    290    18    Mid-American
17.    South Dakota State    23-9    259    19    Summit
18.    Western Illinois    22-7    220    20    Summit
19.    BYU    21-11    215    16    West Coast
20.    Stony Brook    24-7    151    17    America East
21.    Norfolk State    21-10    111    24    MEAC
22.    New Mexico State    21-10    94    NR    WAC
23.    Murray State    21-10    86    21    Ohio Valley
24.    Detroit    20-12    56    23    Horizon
25.    Florida Gulf Coast    24-10    50    NR    Atlantic Sun


OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Eastern Kentucky 29, Lehigh 26, Wright State 21, Harvard 20, North Dakota State 16, College of Charleston 15, Evansville 15, Indiana State 13, North Carolina Central 11, Northwestern State 11, Florida International 10, LIU-Brooklyn 10, Northern Iowa 10, Albany 8, Pacific 8, Long Beach State 7, Western Michigan 7, Lafayette 5, Mount St. Mary's 5, Robert Morris 5, Utah State 5, Iona 4, Albany 3, Princeton 3, Western Kentucky 1, Vermont 1

[agibson]

With Warren Nolan down I'm mixing and matching RPI sources here a little, but these might be accurate.

On the win... we climb from 60 to 59.  0.5670 to 0.5713.

Louisiana Tech... 46
Akron... 51
Bucknell... 52

Davidson... 61
Baylor... 63
Stephen F. Austin.. 64
South Dakota State... 65
(Detroit.. 67)

Wright State... climbs from 141 to 139 on the loss.

[valpotx]

Hopefully we get the 13 seed nod over SDSU!

[valpocleveland]

What is hurting us is we do not have a quality win. SD St beat New Mexico at New Mexico. I think that gives them the edge.

[milanmiracle]

What is hurting us is we do not have a quality win. SD St beat New Mexico at New Mexico. I think that gives them the edge.

Unfortunately, I think that's going to be the tiebreaker in most instances. That's a good win too. Valpo's quality win...(cue crickets).

Either way it won't matter too much, I'd rather have the right matchup over a better seed.