When we get healthy?

[truth219]

When everybody gets healthy and eligible, who will see their minutes cut the most?

[justducky]

When everybody gets healthy and eligible, who will see their minutes cut the most?

Half of the playing time Dority gets will come from Will Bogan. Capo will grab his from 4 different directions, but Vashil will lose the most. Vashil needs to get some offense going to prevent that from happening.

[vu72]

Or another way to look at it is that Vashil can be even more aggressive on the defense because if he fould out we still have Capo. Clearly you will have seen the end of Bogan's point guard duties but I think he does an OK job and certainly can shoot it maybe better than Dority, who knows.

[valporun]

Vashil also needs to get some time on the court right now so he has experience. He sat out all of last year, and didn't come to the game as early as most of his teammates did. Give him time. Dority might split with Boggs and Bogan. Capo should either start, or come off the bench when Kevin needs a breath or two. Consider a starting lineup of Buggs, Boggs/Bogan/Dority, Ryan(Rowdy), Kevin, and Bobby. The 2 could rotate, based on who we're playing, and which one of them is being the most productive. I'm not going to jump on the Dority bandwagon, as I've never seen him play, and YouTube highlights don't do enough to show he can play for me.

[truth219]

Vashil is too much of a liability to keep him on the court for any lenght of time. As good as he can be at times on defense, he has way to many turnovers. And bogan is our weakest guard. He can shoot, but so can everybody else...besides buggs. Coleman is good as well he should still get his minutes. Vashil,bogan, and boggs should lose the most minutes as far as I'm concerned. Rossi needs more, assuming he is healthy.

[valporun]

For someone with only 4 posts, so far, you definitely aren't aware that Vashil is NEW to the lineup, and still needs some work, but he can't get the kind of game experience without having the opportunities he has now to get that experience. Like I said in my earlier post, he's also relatively new to basketball, as Jamaicans don't normally grow up with basketball as they do track, soccer, and some of the more outdoor sports their climate is accustomed to.

[truth219]

Just because I'm new to this website does not mean I'm new to basketball or valpo basketball. I should be defending my comments and not myself, so I will do that. Sure vashil needs to play but there will be times when he can. Let's say if we get a comfortable lead. This season about developing vashil, its about getting wins. We have no choice but to play him now but when we get bobby back I see a big change in the rotations.

[HC]

I think PT might be delegated on a who is hot/not basis.

[wittynamehere]

Vashil is too much of a liability to keep him on the court for any lenght of time. As good as he can be at times on defense, he has way to many turnovers. And bogan is our weakest guard. He can shoot, but so can everybody else...besides buggs. Coleman is good as well he should still get his minutes. Vashil,bogan, and boggs should lose the most minutes as far as I'm concerned. Rossi needs more, assuming he is healthy.

I don't disagree about Vashil, but I do about the shooters.  I see no evidence to support the statement "but so can everybody else".  here's the facts:

Boggs shot 29% last year (overall and from 3)
Kenney shot 31% from 3 (much better overall)
Buggs shot 15% from 3 (but we agree that nobody would classify him as a shooter, although I love having him in the line-up for many reasons)

We're basically left with Ryan and Will as the primary outside threats.  It looks like Coleman can shoot it a little, at least so far.  And Rossi has lived up to his rep, again "so far".

I said this before, but I don't see any reason as to why Rossi didn't get in during the Kent State game or play more vs. Nebraska.  I think his shooting can really take presure off of Ryan and our bigs

[FWalum]

Vashil is too much of a liability to keep him on the court for any lenght of time. As good as he can be at times on defense, he has way to many turnovers. And bogan is our weakest guard. He can shoot, but so can everybody else...besides buggs. Coleman is good as well he should still get his minutes. Vashil,bogan, and boggs should lose the most minutes as far as I'm concerned. Rossi needs more, assuming he is healthy.

One of the problems we have right now is that it is improbable to have two bigs on the floor at the same time therefore limiting Vashil's minutes because of his lack of production in post offense.  With Capo back we could easily play two bigs leaving the defensive middle to Vashil and then Kevin or Capo in the post on offense.  It was difficult for us to score when Vashil was in the game (most of our offense was running through the post) but his defense really altered the KS offenses ability to drive to the basket. 

[lowposter]

If a shooter doesnt get in the game it is usually due to liabilities in other aspects such as rebounding, defense, and ball handling.

Vashil might be one of those electric big guys that simply will take quite a bit of time to develope offensive skills...and defensive skills.  Quite often the shot blocker mentality leads to easy offensive rebounding and scores as the defender is out of position. 

lowposter

[FWalum]

Vashil might be one of those electric big guys that simply will take quite a bit of time to develop offensive skills...and defensive skills.  Quite often the shot blocker mentality leads to easy offensive rebounding and scores as the defender is out of position. 

lowposter

I don't see us just using Vashil as a mop up minutes guy.  Many programs have defensive specialists that have a major impact on winning games.  I think that could be the case here except that currently we can really have only one big on the floor at a time.  When Capo comes back I think that Vashil can be used as that defensive stopper, when called upon, especially in a zone situation because we will have another post style player in the game for the offensive production.

lowposter, I am surprised to have you call out his defensive skills.  I have thought that defensively he has been in pretty good position and even has the speed to guard the smaller positions.  Sunday he got switched off out high on to one of the KS guards who tried to take him to the basket only to have the ball rejected.  Am I missing something?

[StlVUFan]

Vashil might be one of those electric big guys that simply will take quite a bit of time to develop offensive skills...and defensive skills.  Quite often the shot blocker mentality leads to easy offensive rebounding and scores as the defender is out of position. 

lowposter

I don't see us just using Vashil as a mop up minutes guy.  Many programs have defensive specialists that have a major impact on winning games.  I think that could be the case here except that currently we can really have only one big on the floor at a time.  When Capo comes back I think that Vashil can be used as that defensive stopper, when called upon, especially in a zone situation because we will have another post style player in the game for the offensive production.

lowposter, I am surprised to have you call out his defensive skills.  I have thought that defensively he has been in pretty good position and even has the speed to guard the smaller positions.  Sunday he got switched off out high on to one of the KS guards who tried to take him to the basket only to have the ball rejected.  Am I missing something?

I'm not a great observer, but I've seen nothing complain-worthy about his defense, and it seems like he's got quite a few blocks for his minutes.

[truth219]

He has more blocks than points. 6 blocks and 5 points in 62 mins....offensively unproductive.

[valpopal]

When Bobby gets back, Vashil's main contribution will be giving Bryce the ability to have two big men on the court any time he wants. Right now, Vashil can only sub for Kevin and is the lone big man when he is on the court. However, after Bobby returns, I would like to see a three-man rotation, as we saw often in preseason, with Kevin and Bobby starting while Vashil subs for one or the other to keep two big men on the court.

In this scenario, whenever Vashil would be on the court, he'd be beside Kevin or Bobby, either of whom could supply the offense, especially if Vashil occupies the attention of the opposing team's center. Vashil would not be relied upon for much offense, but he still would provide fine defense, which he has shown an ability to do. The stats don't fully indicate Vashil's presence in the paint. In addition to the blocks credited to Vashil, I have seen many times where he disrupted or altered shots by opponents that resulted in misses and turnovers.

Next year, after Kevin graduates, Vashil will probably be better on offense, but the team could still have a three-man rotation with Bobby, Vashil, and Chadwick.

[HC]

Pal, don't forget about Adekoya. I think he is a big fella who will be ready to rock as a freshman next year.

[StlVUFan]

He has more blocks than points. 6 blocks and 5 points in 62 mins....offensively unproductive.

I'm aware of that.  Was simply commenting on his defensive productivity, backing up the previous post.

[vubballfan10]

I think Vashil statistics this season will be similar to former UCLA center Anthony Stover's stats the past two seasons.  No scoring, not much PT, but a lot of shot blocking.

[wh]

When Bobby gets back, Vashil's main contribution will be giving Bryce the ability to have two big men on the court any time he wants. Right now, Vashil can only sub for Kevin and is the lone big man when he is on the court. However, after Bobby returns, I would like to see a three-man rotation, as we saw often in preseason, with Kevin and Bobby starting while Vashil subs for one or the other to keep two big men on the court.

In this scenario, whenever Vashil would be on the court, he'd be beside Kevin or Bobby, either of whom could supply the offense, especially if Vashil occupies the attention of the opposing team's center. Vashil would not be relied upon for much offense, but he still would provide fine defense, which he has shown an ability to do. The stats don't fully indicate Vashil's presence in the paint. In addition to the blocks credited to Vashil, I have seen many times where he disrupted or altered shots by opponents that resulted in misses and turnovers.

Next year, after Kevin graduates, Vashil will probably be better on offense, but the team could still have a three-man rotation with Bobby, Vashil, and Chadwick.

Congratulations, you're the only one who has hit on it.  Bryce is on the threshold of making a major paradigm shift to go "big" as soon as Bobby gets back and gets in game shape.  Bobby and KVW are simply too great a collective force at both ends of the court to not use them together, with Vashil as their primary backup. 

Conference schedule starting line-up:
Kevin - C
Bobby - PF
Ryan - SF
Erik/Dority - PG
Coleman - SG

This lineup (along with several quality back-ups) will dominate HL play and be much better positioned to do damage in the NCAA Tournament.

[justducky]

Bryce is on the threshold of making a major paradigm shift to go "big" as soon as Bobby gets back and gets in game shape.  Bobby and KVW are simply too great a collective force at both ends of the court to not use them together, with Vashil as their primary backup. 

Conference schedule starting line-up:
Kevin - C
Bobby - PF
Ryan - SF
Erik/Dority - PG
Coleman - SG

This lineup (along with several quality back-ups) will dominate HL play and be much better positioned to do damage in the NCAA Tournament.

I will agree that we should start to see some of this "go big" line-up perhaps as soon as our next game, but the speed of its implementation and the extent of its use rely somewhat on other unresolved factors. Specifically can the 1 and 2 guard rotation of Buggs Bogan, Coleman, Boggs or Kenny reliably get the ball down the court against the pressure of a St.Louis or New Mexico? If we struggle getting it into the half court then having 3 bigs in the lineup loses much of its effectivness. So my question is just how much mileage can we get from the "go big" until Dority is also added to the mix? Then when Horizon League play begins we will have to find out how many teams might have the players that will neutralize our go-big advantage, and some of them may offer us a stronger position of play if we make the choice to go small.

Don't get me wrong, because I love having this option; but how often we will be able to dictate the style of play especially in the near term remains an open question. LaVonte Dority might be that final missing piece of the puzzle, and by the time he is fully available we might already be out of the at-large picture.

[wh]

Bryce is on the threshold of making a major paradigm shift to go "big" as soon as Bobby gets back and gets in game shape.  Bobby and KVW are simply too great a collective force at both ends of the court to not use them together, with Vashil as their primary backup. 

Conference schedule starting line-up:
Kevin - C
Bobby - PF
Ryan - SF
Erik/Dority - PG
Coleman - SG

This lineup (along with several quality back-ups) will dominate HL play and be much better positioned to do damage in the NCAA Tournament.

I will agree that we should start to see some of this "go big" line-up perhaps as soon as our next game, but the speed of its implementation and the extent of its use rely somewhat on other unresolved factors. Specifically can the 1 and 2 guard rotation of Buggs Bogan, Coleman, Boggs or Kenny reliably get the ball down the court against the pressure of a St.Louis or New Mexico? If we struggle getting it into the half court then having 3 bigs in the lineup loses much of its effectivness. So my question is just how much mileage can we get from the "go big" until Dority is also added to the mix? Then when Horizon League play begins we will have to find out how many teams might have the players that will neutralize our go-big advantage, and some of them may offer us a stronger position of play if we make the choice to go small.

Don't get me wrong, because I love having this option; but how often we will be able to dictate the style of play especially in the near term remains an open question. LaVonte Dority might be that final missing piece of the puzzle, and by the time he is fully available we might already be out of the at-large picture.

Good points, ducky.

[FWalum]

I will agree that we should start to see some of this "go big" line-up perhaps as soon as our next game, but the speed of its implementation and the extent of its use rely somewhat on other unresolved factors. Specifically can the 1 and 2 guard rotation of Buggs Bogan, Coleman, Boggs or Kenny reliably get the ball down the court against the pressure of a St.Louis or New Mexico? If we struggle getting it into the half court then having 3 bigs in the lineup loses much of its effectivness. So my question is just how much mileage can we get from the "go big" until Dority is also added to the mix? Then when Horizon League play begins we will have to find out how many teams might have the players that will neutralize our go-big advantage, and some of them may offer us a stronger position of play if we make the choice to go small.

Don't get me wrong, because I love having this option; but how often we will be able to dictate the style of play especially in the near term remains an open question. LaVonte Dority might be that final missing piece of the puzzle, and by the time he is fully available we might already be out of the at-large picture.

I believe that Dority could end up being a huge factor for us when he gets on the floor, but I am not sure how he really makes a difference in your "go big" scenario.  Are you suggesting that he and Buggs would be on the floor together when we go big?  If Buggs, Bogan and Broekhoff can't get the ball up the floor and into the half court when Bobby and Kevin are on the floor together then we have some big problems going forward.

SLU is going to present a very interesting match-up situation for us.  Their 6'11" 5 will step out and shoot the 3, while their 4 mainly plays around the hoop and the 3 man is a 6'5" 230LB slasher that make most of his points from around the basket and is SLU's leading scorer.  Rounding out the line up is a 6'5" 2 guard and a 6'0" point.  I think that makes it very probable that we could see the Kevin - C, Bobby - PF, Ryan - SF, Erik - PG and Coleman - SG lineup. If this happens then I would think that Bobby would take their 6'11" guy because he plays more on the perimeter and the 4 whom Kevin would guard plays more of a post.

[vu72]

You won't see Coleman...he isn't eligible for this game on the 2nd.

Please don't drop a "bomb shell" like this without some additional information.

[LaPorteAveApostle]

yeah, no doubt...unless you meant "Dority"?

[lowposter]

The "big" lineup will be forced to play zone quite a bit in the HL, which often features lineups with 4 skilled quick players.  Dont get me wrong, the ability to have a big lineup is intriguing and a nice luxury, but it will be another arrow available in the quiver to use and not necessarily a definate. 

Basketball is about making defensive stops and overall team quickness.

lowposter