Mid-Major Top 25

[Valpofan00]

Green Bay passes us up, but we only fall to 6th.

Week midmajors this year?

Very

[LaPorteAveApostle]

i would say midweek, but ask me again in a couple days

[bbtds]

i would say midweek, but ask me again in a couple days

I heard Green Bay is much livelier on Sundays--so week-end mid-major in their case.

[valpopal]

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[agibson]

Green Bay picked up three points in the AP poll this week.  Their first national votes of the year.

[justducky]

Central Michigan has had a pretty good season and is also in the Mid-Major Top 25. Why did they not match up VU and CMU instead of both teams playing the cream puff combo of Maine and Pine Bluff?

My apology if this has been  answered before but in retrospect this looks like such a waisted opportunity.

[LaPorteAveApostle]

i would think, since CMU organized it, they wanted no part of a decent opponent and just wanted the 2 Ws.

[78crusader]

The last time VU was 16-3 was the first week of February, 1966.  We were ranked #7 in the country -- Division II.  Here are the rankings from that week:

Feb. 3, 1966
1. Southern Illinois
2. Grambling
3. Northern Michigan
4. Youngstown State
5. North Dakota
6. Cheyney
7. Valparaiso
8. Evansville
9. Central State (Ohio)
10. Akron

Paul

[vu72]

The last time VU was 16-3 was the first week of February, 1966.  We were ranked #7 in the country -- Division II.  Here are the rankings from that week:

Feb. 3, 1966
1. Southern Illinois
2. Grambling
3. Northern Michigan
4. Youngstown State
5. North Dakota
6. Cheyney
7. Valparaiso
8. Evansville
9. Central State (Ohio)
10. Akron

Paul

One of Valpo's all time best teams. Beat Purdue that year if I'm not mistaken.

[ml2]

This PDF from the athletics website is a great resource for dates, opponents and records in the history of Valpo basketball.

http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/9DE577C9-EC1C-4F8C-988F-6D5E9FE31CD7/YearByYear.pdf

Based on this document, the 65-66 team did indeed beat Purdue, 114-96 on December 22, 1965 in a home game. It also appears that you would have to go back to the 44-45 ("World's Tallest") team to find a record as good, numerically, as the current 16-3 mark. According to the records the 65-66 team was 15-3 before going on a 4 game losing skid in early February. The 44-45 team ended the season 21-3.

[valpopal]

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[valpopal]

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[bbtds]

This PDF from the athletics website is a great resource for dates, opponents and records in the history of Valpo basketball.

http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/9DE577C9-EC1C-4F8C-988F-6D5E9FE31CD7/YearByYear.pdf

Based on this document, the 65-66 team did indeed beat Purdue, 114-96 on December 22, 1965 in a home game.

Not to diminish the great win that Valpo had over Purdue in 1965 but I thought I would put it in some perspective. The Purdue team that Valpo beat was 8-16 and finished 9th in the Big Ten with a 4-10 conference record. Believe it or not there were 10 teams in the Big Ten back in 1965. This was the last year of Purdue head coach, George King. The unusual thing was that after Fred Schaus took over for King at Purdue, King was named the Purdue athletic director in 1966.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/purdue/1966.html

Yes, Valpo was in the college division (Div. II) while Purdue was in the university division (Div. I). Later on the NCAA created Div. III and therefore the need to change the names of the divisions.   

1965–66 Big Ten Conference men's basketball standings
                            Conf                                      Overall
Team                   W       L       PCT           W       L       PCT
#9 Michigan   11   –   3       .786           18   –   8       .692
Michigan State   10   –   4       .714           15   –   7       .682
Iowa                    8   –   6       .571           17   –   7       .708
Illinois            8   –   6       .571           12   –   12       .500
Minnesota            7   –   7       .500           14   –   10       .583
Northwestern   7   –   7       .500           12   –   12       .500
Wisconsin           6   –   8       .429           11   –   13       .458
Ohio State           5   –   9       .357           11   –   13       .458
Purdue           4   –   10       .286           8   –   16       .333
Indiana           4   –   10       .286           8   –   16       .333

Rankings from AP Poll

[a3uge]

This PDF from the athletics website is a great resource for dates, opponents and records in the history of Valpo basketball.

http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/9DE577C9-EC1C-4F8C-988F-6D5E9FE31CD7/YearByYear.pdf

Based on this document, the 65-66 team did indeed beat Purdue, 114-96 on December 22, 1965 in a home game. It also appears that you would have to go back to the 44-45 ("World's Tallest") team to find a record as good, numerically, as the current 16-3 mark. According to the records the 65-66 team was 15-3 before going on a 4 game losing skid in early February. The 44-45 team ended the season 21-3.

Delts of Valpo 1930-31 1930-31 1-0
Cincinnati YMCA 1923-24 1923-24 1-0
DePauw Pre-Flight 1943-44 1943-44 1-1
Detroit (Unknown) 1922-23 1925-26 1-4
Illinois Steel 1923-24 1923-24 1-0
Notre Dame 'B' 1925-26 1928-29 1-2
Wisconsin State 1971-72 1972-73 1-1
YMCA College 1922-23 1922-23 1-0

Explain.

[historyman]

Not to diminish the great win that Valpo had over Purdue in 1965 but I thought I would put it in some perspective. The Purdue team that Valpo beat was 8-16 and finished 9th in the Big Ten with a 4-10 conference record. Believe it or not there were 10 teams in the Big Ten back in 1965. This was the last year of Purdue head coach, George King. The unusual thing was that after Fred Schaus took over for King at Purdue, King was named the Purdue athletic director in 1966.

I was wondering who might have been playing for that Purdue 1965-66 team. I looked up the history of Rick Mount from Lebanon, IN who played for Purdue and later was a star in the ABA for the Pacers, Colonels, Utah Stars and Memphis Sounds. Rick started playing for Purdue in 1966-67 but the rule back then was that freshman could not play on the varisty. In a scrimmage between the freshmen team and the Purdue varsity Mount scored 33 points. I'm sure Fred Schaus was licking his chops to get Rick on the varsity for the 1967-68 season.

In 1968-69 Rick Mount, Billy Keller and Herm Gilliam led Purdue to a Big Ten championship and Purdue's first appearance in the NCAA tournament. Keller and Gilliam were seniors and Mount was a junior on the 68-69 team. So in 1965-66 Keller and Gilliam were freshmen and could not play on the varsity. Not to say that Valpo didn't have some freshmen that couldn't, by rule, play on the varsity but Purdue sure had a lot of talent in the pipeline when they played Valpo in 1965-66.

1966-1967
Rick was considering committing to the University of Miami. Due to the fact that many in Florida saw basketball as a second sport to football, he stayed home and attended Purdue University, located just 35 miles (56 km) northwest of his hometown, in West Lafayette, Indiana to play basketball under head coach George King.

As a freshman, Mount was unable to play on the varsity team due to NCAA regulations then in effect. Rick scored 33 points in a scrimmage against the varsity team in front of 9,500 in attendance at Lambert Fieldhouse. He averaged 35 points a game while shooting 54.5 percent on the freshman squad, tallying 490 points.

1968-1969
In his junior season at Purdue, along with seniors Billy Keller and Herm Gilliam, he led the Boilermakers to a Big Ten Conference title and the school's first NCAA Tournament appearance, leading to the NCAA Finals game where they eventually lost to a Lew Alcindor-led UCLA.

In a win against Marquette to bring the Boilers to the Final Four, Mount is remembered for his "leaping lofter" game-winning shot with two seconds left in overtime. He led all scorers in the tournament with a 40.6 point average in Purdue's three games. Purdue led the nation with 94.8 points a game during the 1968-69 season fronted by Mount's 33.3 a game, in effect beating Indiana 120-76 in the closing game of the regular season, becoming a school record for most points in a game.

Rick had a keen eye on telling if a goal wasn't balanced. He twice had officials adjust the same goal prior to the NCAA Finals game at Freedom Hall in Louisville, Kentucky. He went through the same procedure earlier in the season before a game at Iowa. He led Purdue to a 23-5 record on the season. He shot 51.5 percent on the season, whereas well-known scorers such as Pete Maravich and Calvin Murphy shot no better than 46 percent.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Mount

[vu72]

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I'm pretty sure the answer is Dave Schellhase.  Dave went on to play in the briefly in the NBA.

[usc4valpo]

I truly wish bracket busters was still around, it is a shame.

I live in Des Moines and would love to make a trip to the Uni Dome or Valpo to see that matchup. UNI has a great team this year.

More importantly, my wife went to "Stone Cold" SFA, which is an extemely well coached, fundamentally sound team.  That would be a wonderful matchup and an awesome roadtrip to Valpo or Nacodoches.

[valpopal]

Valparaiso received 4 votes in the USA Coaches Poll, which gives them the ranking of #41: http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/basketball-men/polls/coaches-poll/

[a3uge]

I truly wish bracket busters was still around, it is a shame.

I live in Des Moines and would love to make a trip to the Uni Dome or Valpo to see that matchup. UNI has a great team this year.

More importantly, my wife went to "Stone Cold" SFA, which is an extemely well coached, fundamentally sound team.  That would be a wonderful matchup and an awesome roadtrip to Valpo or Nacodoches.

Since it was always televised, the bracketbuster game was always very well attended. Also provided a way to boost RPI a bit without much penalty and provided a good return trip in following years.

Also awesome getting 4 votes. Guess the voters, bolded are my guesses.

List of Voters
The USA TODAY Sports Board of Coaches is made up of 32 head coaches at Division I institutions. All are members of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. The board for the 2014-15 season: Tommy Amaker, Harvard; Randy Bennett, Saint Mary?s; Jim Boeheim, Syracuse; Todd Bozeman, Morgan State; Glenn Braica, St. Francis Brooklyn; Rick Byrd, Belmont; Scott Cherry, High Point; Tim Cluess, Iona; Ed Conroy, Tulane; Keith Dambrot, Akron; Scott Drew, Baylor; Matt Driscoll, North Florida Steve Fisher, San Diego State; Bruiser Flint, Drexel; Mark Fox, Georgia; John Gallagher, Hartford; Ray Harper, Western Kentucky; Dick Hunsaker, Utah Valley; George Ivory, Arkansas-Pine Bluff; Ben Jacobson, Northern Iowa; Rob Jeter, Wisconsin-Milwaukee; Danny Kaspar, Texas State; Mike McConathy, Northwestern State; Greg McDermott, Creighton; Matt Painter, Purdue; Dave Paulsen, Bucknell; Randy Rahe, Weber State; Joe Scott, Denver; Herb Sendek, Arizona State; Shaka Smart, Virginia Commonwealth; Bob Williams, UC-Santa Barbara; Mike Young, Wofford.

[valpotx]

One off  Buck Futler.  As long as we stay above TCU and St. John's, I don't have to listen to crap from my friends that graduated from those schools.  Same with Arkansas, which has 29 votes, we need to get ahead of them so this trash talk can stop .  TCU came back to Earth after playing a crappy OOC schedule.  It was crap that they were ever ranked in the 20's throughout OOC.

[agibson]

Valparaiso received 4 votes in the USA Coaches Poll, which gives them the ranking of #41: http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/basketball-men/polls/coaches-poll/

First Horizon League votes in the Coaches' Poll this season!  Nice!

And 4 votes!  Either somebody votes us 22nd, or we had more than one coach go for us!

The AP votes seem to be public, if maybe not easily searchable.  Is there access to the individual coach voting info?

[vu84v2]

Wouldn't be surprised if Amaker, Hunsaker or even Painter gave Valpo a vote as well.  I strongly doubt that Mr. Potato Head would give a non-big time program like Valpo a vote.

[a3uge]

Maybe we got a 24 vote between Scott Drew and Jeter while the Arkansas-Pine Bluff coach voted us 25th?

Does it work like that?

[agibson]

Yes, depending on precisely what you meant.  1 point for a #25 vote, 2 points for a #24, etc.  So, a 24 and a pair of 25's would do it.

[chef]

Definitely got votes from multiple coaches. FYI, there's a former Valpo assistant coach on there, that is not highlighted.