Your Newest Horizon League Transfer

motowntitan · January 05, 2015, 10:04:50 PM

Compliments of Kampe:

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2015/01/05/oakland-basketball-martez-walker-oakland/21294119/

Extremely talented player, but paragraph six is where the story begins.

a3uge · January 05, 2015, 10:43:18 PM

"Walker hit his girlfriend four times in the ribs and dragged her by the arms to throw her out of his Texas dorm room."

Is there anything foul to Oakland?

wh · January 06, 2015, 04:12:00 AM

Quote from: motowntitan on January 05, 2015, 10:04:50 PM
Compliments of Kampe:

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2015/01/05/oakland-basketball-martez-walker-oakland/21294119/

Extremely talented player, but paragraph six is where the story begins.

Yep, Kampe is a regular Father Flanagan...

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valpotx · January 06, 2015, 04:32:48 AM

How the F can it be a misunderstanding that you hit a woman in the ribs 4 times, and drag her around by her arms? What a scumbag, and Oakland should be ashamed for letting him be on their basketball team in the hopes that they 'scored' a good transfer on the court. This guy is a complete P-word to me, and should be locked away.

momofalex · January 06, 2015, 08:51:32 AM

Not exactly the kind of student you hope your son will be a teammate with or roommate with when you send him off to school.

Kyle321n · January 06, 2015, 09:37:06 AM

Ugh I remember his story when he was released by Texas. Really talented player, but the kind of guy who should probably be playing cell yard ball, not appearing on a Horizon League court.

LaPorteAveApostle · January 06, 2015, 11:01:49 AM

remember all that jargle from Grizz about how we're 'the same as Oakland, we have the same mission, we are both trying to produce "roll models"?'

File this under Things Valpo Would Never Ever Do for $1000 and book it.

covufan · January 06, 2015, 11:46:29 AM

I can understand having a 'misunderstanding' with your girlfriend. I can understand things getting heated verbally. But to actually hit a woman four times, then drag her by the arms - I'll never understand. For his own sake, I hope that Martez Walker gets the help, guidance and mentoring needed to learn that those values and morals he may have been accustomed to when younger do not apply in sports, education or anywhere in his future.

I don't envy any of the coaches at the college level - you just don't know exactly what experiences these kids may have had as youngsters that shape their values, morals and mindset. You can do some homework - getting to know the player, his family and home life, even some background work with HS teachers - but you never know everything about that kid.

LaPorteAveApostle · January 06, 2015, 03:50:53 PM

Also, showing you who wears the pants at Oakland, the AAD said "I've been informed that Martez is here on his own accord, paying his own way".

FWalum · January 06, 2015, 04:04:54 PM

Quote from: covufan on January 06, 2015, 11:46:29 AMI can understand having a 'misunderstanding' with your girlfriend. I can understand things getting heated verbally. But to actually hit a woman four times, then drag her by the arms - I'll never understand. For his own sake, I hope that Martez Walker gets the help, guidance and mentoring needed to learn that those values and morals he may have been accustomed to when younger do not apply in sports, education or anywhere in his future.

I second your thoughts covufan. We took in a number of second chance players while I coached. Most had to do with things like stealing, team rules violations and minor drug use. Some of them worked out and many didn't. Some were big distractions and others learned to fit in. We tried to be good role models and make our team into a family and despite being a public school we made Christian values a priority. These kids knew that this was a second chance and we did not stand for any shenanigans. Our best player, and one of the best I ever had the privilege of coaching, was a second chance kid named Anthony Jones. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and based on his exemplary behavior with us, I believe that he was innocent of the accusations made towards him by his previous school. He wasn't the only success story but we also had many who did not make it. And while I like the fact that VU places a high value on character, I do think that at least for us it was worth giving some kids that second chance.

Anthony has had an extremely successful career in Europe.

LaPorteAveApostle · January 06, 2015, 05:11:32 PM

I remember Anthony was your avatar picture for a while!

I certainly don't think this kid should never get another chance. I would find it hard to imagine a person (other than Jesus and his mother) who could stand to be judged on their worst moment. And maybe even Oakland is the place for that, close to home, yada. (I don't get the feeling from motowntitan that he's just upset Kampe beat them to the punch.)

But to go from high major to mid-major does not seem like a fall commensurate with the offense, even if he is paying his freight (for now).

As they say in the NFL draft, though, "all it takes is one team to fall in love with you".

bbtds · January 06, 2015, 07:50:56 PM

"Kampe, he stuck me through all of this. He knew it was all a misunderstanding, even when the situation happened," Walker said. "He's been there with me. I've been talking to him for a while."

If I was Oliver Luck, in his new position of regulatory affairs VP, I would want to look into just exactly how long Martez Walker has been "talking to him (Kampe) for a while." Was Greg Kampe talking to a Texas student athlete while he was enrolled and playing for UT? Kampe just may run into some Luck and it may be some of the bad kind.

Also, great, we'll have another Walker in next year's Valpo/Oakland games for a total of 3. Three out of 10 starters named Walker may be too much for that announcing crew. They couldn't even keep the two Walkers for Valpo straight.

LaPorteAveApostle · January 06, 2015, 08:05:07 PM

Quote from: bbtds on January 06, 2015, 07:50:56 PMThey couldn't even keep the two Walkers for Valpo straight

And Jaz Walker for our WBB.

(Which one gets the "Sky" nickname?)

valpo64 · January 06, 2015, 08:57:33 PM

Once again it's the same old King Kampe...another feather in his cap. Now he is a social worker beyond reproach. And you say OU wants to be like Valpo in how we operate?

?? Really! Isn't it great to have so many of these "projects" in the Horizon League. Maybe OU is trying to keep up with their neighbor Detroit. These kind of situations appear to be happening on a regular annual basis in the HL.

oklahomamick · January 07, 2015, 10:27:39 AM

Quote from: valpo64 on January 06, 2015, 08:57:33 PMOnce again it's the same old King Kampe...another feather in his cap. Now he is a social worker beyond reproach. And you say OU wants to be like Valpo in how we operate??? Really! Isn't it great to have so many of these "projects" in the Horizon League. Maybe OU is trying to keep up with their neighbor Detroit. These kind of situations appear to be happening on a regular annual basis in the HL.

Not to mention two of their players last year were suspended because of rape alligations.

LaPorteAveApostle · January 07, 2015, 10:34:27 AM

I was restraining myself from making a kampe meme saying "well now that duke mondy's gone, dante williams needs somebody to party with" but i didn't. #proud

covufan · January 07, 2015, 10:45:24 AM

If it were me, being a coach of a mid-major near where a kid like this called home, I could see opening a dialogue and maybe giving some guidance. I don't think I could take a kid like this almost immediately after such an incident. You would need to form some kind of relationship before you could even begin to evaluate his remorse, changes in attitude, etc. If he went to a junior college of some kind, showed remorse for his actions, apologized to the woman in question, apologized to the Texas staff for the problems he caused, attended some counseling, volunteered his time to kids, homeless, etc., and continued to show a desire to reestablish himself into both school and basketball, and after much dialogue I truly felt that he had made a positive change in his life goals and values, I could see accepting him onto the team. Forgiveness is an important part of the process, but one needs to show that they desire forgiveness. By accepting Walker into the Oakland family so soon after the incident, even before the judicial process is finished, Oakland is putting the priorities of the Men's basketball program before those of every female student. If someone else at Oakland had done the same thing, including leaving school after the second arrest, would they be allowed to re-enter the student population so quickly? If not, why was he accepted so quickly right now?

LaPorteAveApostle · January 07, 2015, 12:16:54 PM

Excellent point. The only reason a second chance has been extended to him is because he can fire an orange sphere through a metal rim at a higher rate than the general public.

bbtds · January 07, 2015, 12:44:02 PM

Don't forget the story of Artis Cleveland, a transfer to Oakland from Mississippi Valley State.
He was suspended indefinitely from the Oakland team at the beginning of this season.

<a href="http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/101014aac.html">OAKLAND BASKETBALL SUSPENDS ARTIS CLEVELAND</a>

<a href="http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2014/10/28/kampes-road-success-oakland-middle/18078099/">Kampe's road to success for Oakland: Through the middle (Detroit Free Press 10/29/2014)</a>

... Artis Cleveland, a 6-10 redshirt freshman suspended indefinitely for violating team rules, likely will not return, according to Kampe.

FWalum · January 07, 2015, 01:24:06 PM

Everyone has good thoughts on this issue and I can see it both ways. Yes, if the kid was an average player it is sad to say that we would not have offered him that second chance. I get it, but we also weren't just giving kids a free pass. We had a kid sent to us from Tennessee by Bruce Pearl and he lasted about two months. If we were just going on talent alone we would have found some way to keep him. Never the less he was a major fail and I believe never made it back to the college ranks after we let him go.

covufan · January 07, 2015, 01:46:02 PM

Quote from: bbtds on January 07, 2015, 12:44:02 PM
Don't forget the story of Artis Cleveland, a transfer to Oakland from Mississippi Valley State.
He was suspended indefinitely from the Oakland team at the beginning of this season.

<a href="http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/101014aac.html">OAKLAND BASKETBALL SUSPENDS ARTIS CLEVELAND</a>

<a href="http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2014/10/28/kampes-road-success-oakland-middle/18078099/">Kampe's road to success for Oakland: Through the middle (Detroit Free Press 10/29/2014)</a>

... Artis Cleveland, a 6-10 redshirt freshman suspended indefinitely for violating team rules, likely will not return, according to Kampe.

Sooo, if you violate team rules, you're off the team (at Oakland). But, if you violate laws of society, get arrested twice, you can be on the team (at Oakland)

Kyle321n · January 07, 2015, 02:13:53 PM

I think someone needs to remind Kampe that Al Davis didn't own THAT Oakland.

HC · January 07, 2015, 04:06:23 PM

2 transfers for Oakland, both last names are Walker. It's like they're a mirror image of Valpo.

historyman · January 07, 2015, 04:48:34 PM

Quote from: HC on January 07, 2015, 04:06:23 PM2 transfers for Oakland, both last names are Walker. It's like they're a mirror image of Valpo.

Huh? I think you are as confused as the Oakland broadcasters. What two Oakland transfers were named Walker? There's Martez Walker from Texas and who else?

HC · January 07, 2015, 04:51:55 PM

Sherron Dorsey Walker from Iowa State