(This year's) Transfer(s) (?!)

[bbtds]

So the source of the aide doesn't matter. Even if it has nothing to do with the school?  If it comes from some other source entirely?

If the student is considered a "recruited athlete" by the NCAA then the source of the funds doesn't matter at all. By declaring yourself a "recruited athlete" by accepting invitations from schools for the purpose of playing on their athletic team then you severely limit the kind of funds you can accept.

[humbleopinion]

2.  McDermott gave up his scholarship.  His father was making millions as the head coach and was able to cover his son's cost of attendance.

Does this mean that VU could hire Vashil's wife as a consultant in the athletic department and pay her enough to cover the family's expenses and tuition?

[bbtds]

2.  McDermott gave up his scholarship.  His father was making millions as the head coach and was able to cover his son's cost of attendance.

Does this mean that VU could hire Vashil's wife as a consultant in the athletic department and pay her enough to cover the family's expenses and tuition?

Just my opinion. I would think the athletic dept would have to prove to an NCAA investigator that Vashil's wife was providing legitimate services to the athletic department for which she was receiving the pay that covered the family's expenses and tuition. In the case of the McDermotts it was clearly evident that Greg McDermott actually was coaching the Creighton MBB team and was not just receiving pay for some fake consulting job.

[justducky]

Does this mean that VU could hire Vashil's wife as a consultant in the athletic department and pay her enough to cover the family's expenses and tuition?

If she can make some progress with our scheduling nightmare then we should hire her even if it fails to clear our scholarship logjam.   

[wh]

For what it's worth, I caught a glimpse of Vashil working out with others players at Hilltop this morning. 

[hoopfan22]

If I had to guess, this will be taken care of easily. I say that one of the newcomers won't make it on campus and it won't be the one with the NBA pedigree.

[bbtds]

If I had to guess, this will be taken care of easily. I say that one of the newcomers won't make it on campus and it won't be the one with the NBA pedigree.

My thought is if it was that easy why hasn't the decision already been made. I think the reason it's taking so long is Bryce has to make a very unhappy decision about which person will not be back on the team.

[classof2014]

My guess is either Relvao or Davidson. My guess would be Davidson, I could see him going to D II so he can get a lot more playing time.

Fortunately for the program and unfortunately for him there's simply too much talent to give him a good opportunity to prove himself.

[vu72]

My guess is either Relvao or Davidson. My guess would be Davidson, I could see him going to D II so he can get a lot more playing time.

Fortunately for the program and unfortunately for him there's simply too much talent to give him a good opportunity to prove himself.

The Davidson situation is interesting.  He is a very valuable "glue" guy, well liked and very team oriented.  I agree that his playing time will be very limited going forward.  We've been told on previous occasions (maybe by chef??) that Nick is studying nursing and that may be a difficult major to find at some smaller D3 schools.  Valpo's Nursing program is also very highly regarded.  So could he simply decide that it is in his best interests to leave the team and focus on his studies?  If he isn't on the team could the University then be able to award scholarships, grants, loans etc based on need and academic performance? I certainly would think so.  I'm also thinking of the Cameron Witt situation where Valpo did continue to fund his school costs until he graduated.  Apparently those rules have changed however.  It would be a tough choice for him but sometimes it becomes clear that all the travel and time practicing is too much given the limited time on the court or future playing professionally.

[hoopfan22]

I highly doubt Davidson is gone. The team has been working out and he's been there.  My money is on Relvao.

[valpopal]

Speaking of Relvao: he is currently playing for the Portuguese Under-20 team in Europe. From what I hear, he has led his team to wins this week. Against Kosovo he had 16 pts, 16 rebs, and 6 blocks, and against Austria he had 20 pts, 14 rebs, 2 steals, and 8 blocks.

[wh]

Speaking of Relvao: he is currently playing for the Portuguese Under-20 team in Europe. From what I hear, he has led his team to wins this week. Against Kosovo he had 16 pts, 16 rebs, and 6 blocks, and against Austria he had 20 pts, 14 rebs, 2 steals, and 8 blocks.

Those are ridiculous numbers. Don't lose this kid!

[SanityLost17]

My opinion...and perhaps an unpopular one... 

The only ethical solution I see is that if Vashil wants to stay another year, he needs to pay his own way and pay full tuition if that is what the NCAA rules demand.  The coaches/school have made commitments to other players and we should honor those commitments.  Nobody should be forced to transfer or have their scholarship taken away before they even arrive on campus.  This is not just about next year, this is about building sustainable success.  Of course, this is based on the assumption that the impact of Revlao for 4 years will be greater than Vashil for 1 year.

Now... If somebody really wants to leave the program, that is a different story.   

Anybody know how much Vashil would have to pay for 1 year of grad school?   

[IndyValpo]

My opinion...and perhaps an unpopular one... 

The only ethical solution I see is that if Vashil wants to stay another year, he needs to pay his own way and pay full tuition if that is what the NCAA rules demand.  The coaches/school have made commitments to other players and we should honor those commitments.  Nobody should be forced to transfer or have their scholarship taken away before they even arrive on campus.  This is not just about next year, this is about building sustainable success.  Of course, this is based on the assumption that the impact of Revlao for 4 years will be greater than Vashil for 1 year.

Now... If somebody really wants to leave the program, that is a different story.   

Anybody know how much Vashil would have to pay for 1 year of grad school?   

I completely agree.

[vusupporter]

Yes, but on the flip side, the program made a commitment to Vashil before it made a commitment to anybody else on this roster.  Should this turn out to be the case, that he ends up getting the final year of eligibility, why do you punish Vashil and make him pay his own way for his fourth year of eligibility just because the NCAA made a decision and then reversed course later on?

[oklahomamick]

Its competitive, Davidson should be the one to leave.  I understand he hasn't don't anything wrong is a good student athlete that represents Valpo.  However, he is not good enough and I would hate to see us lose the portugal kid. 

[vu84v2]

This needs to be done in an ethical manner and I have no doubt that Valpo will handle this ethically (as they always have in the past). Commitments are commitments and going back on a commitment made to an incoming player sends a bad message to future recruits. I would love to see Vashil back for another year, but if it means violating a commitment to any player (Davidson, Relvao, etc.), then I am against it. You never need to feel bad or try to 'spin' when you have done the right thing.

Obviously, if someone wanted to leave or if Vashil could pay his own way, then it would be great to have him back for another year.

[vu72]

Yes, but on the flip side, the program made a commitment to Vashil before it made a commitment to anybody else on this roster.  Should this turn out to be the case, that he ends up getting the final year of eligibility, why do you punish Vashil and make him pay his own way for his fourth year of eligibility just because the NCAA made a decision and then reversed course later on?

I may be wrong but didn't we pay for Vashil while he was deemed ineligible?  He has already gotten both an undergrad and Master's.  If a student/athlete has to sit for transfer purposes he isn't paying his own way while sitting.  So, if I'm correct, we have honored our four year education agreement with Vashil.

As for the cost, Valpo's website say $615 per graduate credit (other then a MBA which he already has).  I remember speaking with Brandon Wood who told me he was taking something like 3 courses.  It isn't a very stiff requirement as they have already graduated and under grad graduation is what the NCAA is all about.

[agibson]

Probably you need 12 credits to be full-time, even as a grad student?  So, could be $14k.  Not chump change, by any means.  But, hopefully he'd make it back professionally?

Not, however, something that every 23 year old, or every family, can muster on short notice.

[valpopal]

Probably you need 12 credits to be full-time, even as a grad student?  So, could be $14k.  Not chump change, by any means.  But, hopefully he'd make it back professionally?

Not, however, something that every 23 year old, or every family, can muster on short notice.

The NCAA allows universities to determine the credit load for full-time status of graduate students. Valparaiso considers graduate students who enroll for 9 credits in a semester as full-time.

[covufan]

I highly doubt Davidson is gone. The team has been working out and he's been there.  My money is on Relvao.

Speaking of Relvao: he is currently playing for the Portuguese Under-20 team in Europe. From what I hear, he has led his team to wins this week. Against Kosovo he had 16 pts, 16 rebs, and 6 blocks, and against Austria he had 20 pts, 14 rebs, 2 steals, and 8 blocks.

Park Relvao at on the Portuguese traveling team(not professional) for one more year, or at a prep school (Oak Hill Academy, LaLumiere, etc).  Then get him for four!

[bbtds]

I highly doubt Davidson is gone. The team has been working out and he's been there.  My money is on Relvao.

Speaking of Relvao: he is currently playing for the Portuguese Under-20 team in Europe. From what I hear, he has led his team to wins this week. Against Kosovo he had 16 pts, 16 rebs, and 6 blocks, and against Austria he had 20 pts, 14 rebs, 2 steals, and 8 blocks.

Park Relvao at on the Portuguese traveling team(not professional) for one more year, or at a prep school (Oak Hill Academy, LaLumiere, etc).  Then get him for four!

Who's paying for his private schooling if he goes to LaLumiere or Oak Hill? Usually guys attend those schools so they improve their basketball skills so they can qualify for a scholarship. Relvao has already been promised a scholarship by Valpo. Valpo can't pay for that private school tuition. Why would Relvao pay his tuition when he already has a scholarship to Valpo.

[agibson]

The NCAA allows universities to determine the credit load for full-time status of graduate students. Valparaiso considers graduate students who enroll for 9 credits in a semester as full-time.

Interesting!  Cute little twist on early graduates, redshirts, etc.

[a3uge]

Fwiw I saw a bunch of Valpo players at the dunes today, and Vashil was not there.

[vu72]

Fwiw I saw a bunch of Valpo players at the dunes today, and Vashil was not there.

But, his fingerprints were found on a beachball!!