Opponent Games and Scores

[talksalot]

OK... I was out of town the last 4 days... here's the abysmal update...


Thursday 12/10... first the good news....
Missouri State (3-5) 88 IUPUI 74

Friday 12/11
only 6 D-1 games in the country... ought to give VU-Chicago State a good pick on the officials !  Here's the AP recap:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151211_VALPO@CHIST

Saturday 12/12... pretty much an "OUCH" all day... 3-6 on the day...but only IPFW won in the "teams already played"
Ohio 76 Cleveland State (2-7) 67
Detroit (5-3) 95 Bowling Green 80  (falcons now 7-3)
Pepperdine 72 Ball State (7-3) 63
IPFW (8-4) 85 Austin Peay 68
Purdue 94 Youngstown State (4-6) 64
Illinois 83 UIC (1-6) 79
Boise State 74 Oregon (7-2) 72
Oakland (6-3) 76 Toledo 64
Oregon State @ Kansas 82 Oregon State (6-2) 67... and the beavers were ahead by 14 !!  Adam Amin on the call...

Sunday, 12/13... for the day...1 - 5 for the day, and that 1 was not D1)

Milwaukee (8-3) 125 Judson 74... here's the box score... 7 players in double figures
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151213_JUDSON@MILW

Miami (OH) 72 Wright State (3-7) 67
Nebraska 70 Rhode Island (6-4) 67
Western Kentucky 75 Indiana State (3-6) 62
Tulsa 70 Missouri State (3-6) 62
AP Recap of that game:   http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151213_TULSA@MOST
Box Score:   http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151213_TULSA@MOST

Northwestern 77 Chicago State (3-8) 35
AP Recap:  (Valpo mention) http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151213_CHIST@NWEST
'I'd like to apologize for the showing,'' Cougars coach Tracy Dildy said


Monday, 12/14:
Nuthing... nada...

Tuesday 12/15
Northern Kentucky @ Miichigan
Geneva College @ Youngstown State
Quachita Baptist @ Belmont
Pacific @ Green Bay
UC Irvine @ Oregon

[vu84v2]

Oregon State got the uninspired Kansas in the first half and the national champ Kansas in the second half. No one would have outplayed Kansas in that second half.

Adam Amin did a great job. You can tell that he has a great future in broadcasting top flight games.

[vu84v2]

As RPI starts to take a little more meaning by having enough games, it is encouraging that two other Horizon teams are sub-100. Detroit at 41 and Milwaukee at 84. However, half of the conference is 213 or worse - so there will be lots of 'harmful' games.

[SanityLost17]

https://twitter.com/JohnGasaway/status/676748125881704448
(I don't know how to embed twitter links)

Interesting tweet concerning playing on the road.  I am starting to wonder why I even like a sport that is so incredibly unfair.  All of the top programs say they want college basketball to more closely resemble the NBA game...  Well, except for fairness in scheduling that is. 

[talksalot]

Tuesday 12/15 - I'll go out on a limb and predict our opponents go 3-2 in these games
Northern Kentucky @ Michigan
Geneva College @ Youngstown State
Quachita Baptist @ Belmont
Pacific (Winless #297)  @ Green Bay
UC Irvine @ Oregon

Wednesday 12/16 - and I'll predict 2-4 on this night.
Illinois-Springfield @ Indiana State
Texas Southern @ Iona - Texas Southern RPI #334...1-8
Cleveland State @ Loyola (IL) - good match-up, LU is 4-4 giving 9 points at home
Chicago State @ Minnesota - Gofers phavored by 20
Oral Roberts @ Missouri State - Interesting, ORU is #17 in RPI...(Valpo is #19), RPI Predictor says MoSt by 1.
Illinois State @ UIC... uh, same RPI Predictor has UIC winning by 5...

and one more of note:
(Hardin Simmons @ Baylor... for Drew Family #999)

[justducky]

https://twitter.com/JohnGasaway/status/676748125881704448
(I don't know how to embed twitter links)

Interesting tweet concerning playing on the road.  I am starting to wonder why I even like a sport that is so incredibly unfair.  All of the top programs say they want college basketball to more closely resemble the NBA game...  Well, except for fairness in scheduling that is. 

A quick tally of all 14 big-10 teams shows a grand total of 23 true road games with 4 of those owned by Penn St. Valpo, Oakland, and Green Bay play 7 each for a total of 21. Being a dangerous mid-major doesn't get you many home games or willing opponents.

I pointed out in an earlier post that Notre Dame and Butler also play only one true road game. For those of you who believe that Butler should be the model for our upward climb I hope you don't want us once reaching the summit to then piss downhill toward the trailing field.   

[talksalot]

Tuesday 12/15 ... as predicted  3-2 for the opponents...(this was an easy one)

Michigan 77 Northern Kentucky (2-6) 62 (Saturday, home to Winless SEMO, then @ Toledo)

Youngstown State (5-6) 99 Geneva 58  (Saturday @ Michigan, Monday @ Notre Dame)

Belmont (7-4) 80 Quachita Baptist 54(Valpo is last OOC)

Green Bay 93 (5-4) Pacific 88 (GB@ Wisconsin 12/23 and @ Morehead State 12/28)
** Wisconsin's first game in the "Post-Bo-Ryan Era" is against the Phoenix**

Oregon (8-2) 78 UC Irvine 63 (Ducks have Long Beach State at home then @ Alabama)


Valpo has fallen to #20 in RealTime and Nolan with the Oregon game coming up.... and this morning, the Nolan RPI has us up to #19.  way to go Ducks!

[talksalot]

Wednesday 12/16 - and we wound up 4-2...and the Nolan RPI bumps us up to 16 with an SOS of 47...

Indiana State (4-6) 75 Illinois-Springfield 60
Iona (4-3) 83 Texas Southern 73
Cleveland State (3-7) 60 Loyola (IL) 54
Minnesota 70 Chicago State (3-9) 52

Illinois State 72 UIC (1-6) 60 (UIC has Loyola and NIU ... plus Purdue-Calumet before they play us on 1/2)

and....
Missouri State 85 (4-6) Oral Roberts 66

Missouri State opened on an 18-2 run and led 45-22 at the half
AP Recap:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST

Box Score:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151216_ORAL@MOST



THURSDAY  12/17 - could be some help to the SOS of our opponents here... let's hope!
Belmont @ Middle Tennessee
Charleston Southern @ Wright State
South Dakota @ Milwaukee

[talksalot]

THURSDAY  12/17
Middle Tennessee 83 Belmont (7-5) 62 - all blue raiders from the start...
Wright State (4-7) 71 Charleston Southern 65
South Dakota 92 Milwaukee (8-4) 91 in 2 OT

FRIDAY 12/18 - predicting 2-0 on the day...
Long Beach State @ Oregon
Cal State Fullerton @ Oregon State


SATURDAY 12/19 - I'm thinking this looks like a 4-8 kinda day for the opposition
UCF @ Detroit
Belmont @ Cleveland State
Stetson @ IPFW
UIC @ Loyola
Oakland @ Washington
Western Illinois @ Chicago State
Youngstown State @ Michigan
Iona @ Rhode Island
Southeast Missouri State @ Northern Kentucky
Indiana State @ St Louis
Tulsa @ Oregon State

[a3uge]

UWM beats Wisconsin on the road and causes Bo Ryan to retire at semester.

A few days later they lose at home to South Dakota.

Makes sense.

[historyman]

https://twitter.com/JohnGasaway/status/676748125881704448 (I don't know how to embed twitter links) Interesting tweet concerning playing on the road.  I am starting to wonder why I even like a sport that is so incredibly unfair.  All of the top programs say they want college basketball to more closely resemble the NBA game...  Well, except for fairness in scheduling that is.

A quick tally of all 14 big-10 teams shows a grand total of 23 true road games with 4 of those owned by Penn St. Valpo, Oakland, and Green Bay play 7 each for a total of 21. Being a dangerous mid-major doesn't get you many home games or willing opponents. I pointed out in an earlier post that Notre Dame and Butler also play only one true road game. For those of you who believe that Butler should be the model for our upward climb I hope you don't want us once reaching the summit to then piss downhill toward the trailing field.   

I truly hope Butler sees that that is an awful path they have led for mid-majors and that it will only lead to teams pointing at them when they start having more and more trouble competing.


"No, sir, you didn't want to play us before."

[talksalot]

FRIDAY 12/18
Oregon (9-2) 94 Long Beach State 73 (Ducks put up 54 in the second half against RPI #84)
Oregon State (7-2) 82 Cal State Fullerton 69, tonight, they get Tulsa in the Far West Classic

Schedule:
Friday 5:30pm Weber State vs. University of Portland
Friday 8:00pm Cal State Fullerton vs. Oregon State University
Saturday 5:30pm Cal State Fullerton vs. University of Portland
Saturday 8:00pm Tulsa vs. Oregon State University

The spirit of a legendary 40-year holiday basketball tradition will return in 2015-16 when Oregon State University and the University of Portland team up to host the Far West Classic Invite at the Moda Center on Friday, December 18 and Saturday, December 19.

The two-day doubleheader will be played at the home of the NBA's Portland Trail Blazers and feature the West Coast Conference's Portland Pilots against Weber State from the Big Sky Conference – and alma  mater of Trail Blazers' All-Star Damian Lillard – on Friday night, followed by Cal State Fullerton from the Big West Conference battling the Beavers from the Pac-12. Saturday will feature Cal State Fullerton facing Portland and the Beavers taking on Tulsa from the American Athletic Conference. Tip-offs are set for 5:30 and 8 p.m.

Oregon State returns to the Far West Classic Invite, a tournament they have won 20 times. This year's version of head coach Wayne Tinkle's Beavers features a veteran cast of playmakers with an exciting group of newcomers who have created an early-season national buzz for their play.

[talksalot]

More about that Far West Classic... Reminds me of the Crusader Classic... sorta...
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http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/12/what_is_the_future_of_the_far.html
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Gary Payton II only recently learned about the significance of the Far West Classic from his father.

The Oregon State senior guard and reigning Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year has been making his own legacy in Corvallis for the past two years, but is not above a history lesson from the elder Gary Payton, the national player of the year with the Beavers in 1990.

"It's going to be a great environment," Payton II said. "I think that's pretty big that they're bringing it back."

That sentiment filtered to former players, such as three-time all-Pac-10 forward Charlie Sitton. Sitton, who played with the Beavers during some of their best seasons, from 1981-84, will be among dozens of Oregon State basketball alums watching at the Moda Center over the weekend.

Friday will mark the end of the 19-year absence of the Far West Classic, the Portland holiday tournament that was once among college basketball's premier events. Building the Classic up will be a step-by-step process, but one that Sitton said has helped add to the buzz around his old team.

"Who knows where it could be in five or 10 years from now?" he said of the event.

• • •

Founded in 1956 as the brainchild of legendary Oregon State coach Slats Gill, the Far West Classic moved from Corvallis to Portland three years later and found an annual home between Christmas and New Year's Eve at Veterans Memorial Coliseum.

In its heyday, the Classic was an eight-team tournament that hosted elite college teams and future NBA All-Stars like Michigan State's Magic Johnson and Gonzaga's John Stockton.

But it suffered from dwindling attendance and inability to attract top-flight opponents by the end of the 1980s. Fred Meyer ended its sponsorship in 1989, leading to the cancellation of the 1990 Classic. The event rebooted in 1991, shrinking from eight teams to four, and lasted six more years before folding in April 1997.

The Classic appeared done for good until Wayne Tinkle took over as Beavers head coach in 2014. Tinkle, 49, remembered watching the holiday tournament while growing up in Spokane and joined deputy athletic director Mark Massari in meetings with Portland Trail Blazers executives to restart the event at the Moda Center.

"We wanted to bring back the spirit of the Far West," Massari said.


Wayne Tinkle Gary Payton.JPG

Oregon State head coach Wayne Tinkle (right) and senior guard Gary Payton II will be two of the headline names at the first Far West Classic in 19 years.

The name is back, but the 2015 reboot will look different than prior versions. Oregon State, Tulsa, Cal State Fullerton, Weber State and Portland (a co-host with OSU) will make up the five-team field playing four games in two nights, a format closer to a round-robin than a championship tournament.

Instead of an immediate push to return the Classic to its elite national status, Oregon State is hoping for a longer-term building approach.

One of the continuing challenges will be competing against the variety of options that other teams already have for holiday tournaments.

In the later years of the Far West Classic, tournaments like the Great Alaska Shootout and Maui Invitational added to the selection pool. Since the Classic dissolved in 1997, events such as the Puerto Rico Tip-Off, Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas) and the Diamond Head Classic (Honolulu) – among others – have sprung up. That has only added to the array of destinations for elite teams, whose presence in Portland would likely increase tournament interest.

Given those circumstances, Tinkle said it would be difficult for the event to ever reach the stature it once held nationally.

"I would never say never, but with the amount of television exposure and money in some of these other tournaments, they're much more attractive to those top teams," he said.

Getting a premier team to play in the tournament was more challenging in its first year back, leading to some scheduling concessions by Oregon State.

Tulsa, which has garnered more national attention in recent years with the successive coaching hires of Danny Manning (now at Wake Forest) and Frank Haith, agreed but could commit to only one game. The result was a five-team event split over two days, with the Golden Hurricane and Weber State each playing a single game.


Schedule for the 2015 Far West Classic

Friday 5:30pm Weber State vs. University of Portland

Friday 8:00pm Cal State Fullerton vs. Oregon State

Saturday 5:30pm Cal State Fullerton vs. University of Portland

Saturday 8:00pm Tulsa vs. Oregon State

This means Oregon State will play Tulsa on Saturday on the second night of back-to-back games, while its opponent will be coming off five days' rest. In exchange for the trip to the Pacific Northwest, the Beavers will also return a game at Tulsa next season.

This was a major sticking point in the final years of the original Far West Classic.

By 1996, the Classic's final year, Oregon coach Jerry Green and Oregon State coach Eddie Payne both refused to exchange a road game with teams coming to Portland for the tournament. Neither had interest in playing a more challenging team on the road while also giving up multiple home dates for "neutral site" games at the Far West Classic.

But Tinkle said he sees benefit in hosting the event that outweighs not hosting additional games at Gill Coliseum.

Among the losses that came with the Far West Classic was Oregon State's annual connection to Portland. Oregon State has 49,034 alums in the Portland area, according to the university, more than one quarter of the school's alumni population.

Friday will mark the first time the Beavers will play in the Moda Center (formerly the Rose Garden) in 10 years, a new chance to connect with the team's fan base and promote the program.

"The timing, I think, is right," Tinkle said. "When your students are gone (on break), why not go somewhere and play in an event like this?"


Far West Classic

Oregon State played in all 40 Far West Classics, winning the first 10 and 20 overall. The Classic moved to the Moda Center, then the Rose Garden, for its final two seasons.

Ultimately, the future of the Classic will depend on its reception this weekend.

Tickets will be sold only in the Moda Center's lower bowl, meaning that the event's nightly capacity will be 10,600 instead of 19,980. Attendance is projected to be around 6,000 on Friday and 9,000 on Saturday, according to Massari, depending on walkups.

As of Thursday, individual tickets were on sale for between $15 and $40 per doubleheader.

At this stage, a traditional tournament option does not appear likely, but Tinkle expressed openness to changing the event format and dates in the future. Without regard to a specific format, the Trail Blazers gave their commitment to continuing the Far West Classic beyond 2015.

"If it was just going to be a one-off event ... we wouldn't have done it," said Vincent Ircandia, senior vice president of business operations for the Trail Blazers and Rose Quarter. "We understand that this takes time to build."

Tinkle said he has put out feelers to other teams for next year in attempt to get a top-level opponent. Work is in place to secure a title sponsor.

But regardless of the format, sponsorship or opponents, Tinkle said he was invested for the future of the Far West Classic.

"It's going to be a challenge," Tinkle said. "But we'll scrap and fight and try to get it going because we feel that it's worth honoring. It's worth trying to get up and going again."

-- Danny Moran, on the Oregon State Beaver blog

[justducky]

55-35 halftime Oakland lead at Washington. Felder is dominating.

[wh]

55-35 halftime Oakland lead at Washington. Felder is dominating.

Oakland up 79-63 with 7:30 left. Watching on Pac 12 Network. Oakland looks very impressive. Hopefully, a win for the HL.

[talksalot]

SATURDAY 12/19 - so in the 5 afternoon games, 4-2
Detroit (6-3) 95 UCF 89... UCF RPI is 204
Cleveland State (4-7) 67 Belmont (7-6) 65
IPFW 95 (9-4) Stetson 89... Stetson's RPI is 246...
Loyola 64 UIC (1-8) 47
Oakland (7-3) 97 Washington 83... Huskie RPI is 70

Chicago State (4-7) 77 Western Illinois 70... Leatherneck RPI 107
Michigan 105 Youngstown State (5-7) 46
Northern Kentucky (3-6) 79 Southeast Missouri State 69... who stays winless, SEMO plays Missouri State on Tuesday.
Rhode Island (7-4) 79 Iona (4-4) 74
Indiana State @ St Louis
Tulsa @ Oregon State

[FWalum]

Felder has a career best 38 with 9 assists and the transfer Walker has a terrific debut scoring 18 as Oakland beats Washington on the road 97-83.

[talksalot]

BTW... Ball State's has three games remaining in their OOC:

Tuesday 12/23, Indiana State (212)
Tuesday 12/29, Alabama A&M (221)
Thursday 12/31, Chicago State (303)

so... for those with the RPI memorized... Is it better for Ball State to win all three? Or do their games with Indiana State and Chicago State really not matter to us, it's a push either way?   

[Valpower]

BTW... Ball State's has three games remaining in their OOC:

Tuesday 12/23, Indiana State (212)
Tuesday 12/29, Alabama A&M (221)
Thursday 12/31, Chicago State (303)

so... for those with the RPI memorized... Is it better for Ball State to win all three? Or do their games with Indiana State and Chicago State really not matter to us, it's a push either way?   

It doesn't matter as far as RPI is concerned, but as far as perception, it may be better that the Ball State loss look less like a bad one.  Indiana State and, especially, Chicago State aren't going to look like great wins, no matter what. I suspect that most experts who might be evaluating the loss for ranking purposes are going to factor in the absence of Tevonn in making sense of the game.

[talksalot]

Recap of the CSU-Belmont game:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST

and here's the box:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST

and here's what the Belmont side of the story looks like... Headline:  'Heartbreak'
http://belmontbruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20151219morxxp

[VULB#62]

Just confirms that the rest of the season will not be anything near a cake walk.

[vu72]

So Indiana State just beat St. Louis 76-68.  Crews has to be on life support.  Obviously, at this time St. Louis isn't going to get a bid to the Big East.  The Indiana State win may be more valuable then originally thought.

[motowntitan]

Recap of the CSU-Belmont game:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST

and here's the box:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST

and here's what the Belmont side of the story looks like... Headline:  'Heartbreak'
http://belmontbruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20151219morxxp

So Belmont was 0-2 against Wright State last year,  and 0-3 against the Horizon this year.

Why would they join the Horizon, when the odds are greater they can compete in the OVC with the auto bid every year?

[oklahomamick]

Recap of the CSU-Belmont game: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST and here's the box: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20151219_BELMONT@CLEVST and here's what the Belmont side of the story looks like... Headline:  'Heartbreak' http://belmontbruins.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/releases/20151219morxxp

So Belmont was 0-2 against Wright State last year,  and 0-3 against the Horizon this year. Why would they join the Horizon, when the odds are greater they can compete in the OVC with the auto bid every year?

get out of a football conference.

[talksalot]

SATURDAY 12/19 - So, a pretty good day..., teams we've played go 4-2, overall our opponents go 9-4 with two pushes (CSU/Belmont and Rhody/Iona)... nice wins for Cleveland State, Oakland... and let the comments continue about Youngstown State's prowess.

Detroit (6-3) 95 UCF 89... UCF RPI is 204
Cleveland State (4-7) 67 Belmont (7-6) 65... CSU RPI 185, Belmont RPI 77,
IPFW 95 (9-4) Stetson 89... Stetson's RPI is 246...
Loyola 64 UIC (1-8) 47
Oakland (7-3) 97 Washington 83... Huskie RPI is 70
Chicago State (4-7) 77 Western Illinois 70... Leatherneck RPI 107
Michigan 105 Youngstown State (5-7) 46
Northern Kentucky (3-6) 79 Southeast Missouri State 69... who stays winless, SEMO plays Missouri State on Tuesday.
Rhode Island (7-4) 79 Iona (4-4) 74 
Indiana State (5-6) 76 St Louis 68... RPIs:  Sycamores 212, St Louis 226
Oregon State (8-2) 76 Tulsa 71...  Tulsa RPI 45