Opponent Games and Scores

[a3uge]

Watching Rhode Island put it on Dayton at their place.  If we played Rhode Island today, we don't win.

You can say that about any game.

Don't know about that...  I think Rhode Island would pay us back in a rematch.  Personally, I think we were playing better at that time in the season.

They had just lost 3 of 4 and also lost to UMass this month. Really silly to judge a team on just 1 game.

[oklahomamick]

Watching Rhode Island put it on Dayton at their place.  If we played Rhode Island today, we don't win.

You can say that about any game.

Don't know about that...  I think Rhode Island would pay us back in a rematch.  Personally, I think we were playing better at that time in the season.

They had just lost 3 of 4 and also lost to UMass this month. Really silly to judge a team on just 1 game.

You realize 3 of those loses are #19 Dayton by 2, @ VCU plus @ Davidson.  tough set of games, a lot of teams would lose those 3. 

[a3uge]

Watching Rhode Island put it on Dayton at their place.  If we played Rhode Island today, we don't win.

You can say that about any game.

Don't know about that...  I think Rhode Island would pay us back in a rematch.  Personally, I think we were playing better at that time in the season.

They had just lost 3 of 4 and also lost to UMass this month. Really silly to judge a team on just 1 game.

You realize 3 of those loses are #19 Dayton by 2, @ VCU plus @ Davidson.  tough set of games, a lot of teams would lose those 3.

And they weren't close in 2 of them. But whatever, we'll give them theoretical wins over Valpo. Let's give theoretical wins to Oregon State and Iona as well. Valpo's pretend record should be 43-25.

[oklahomamick]

Watching Rhode Island put it on Dayton at their place.  If we played Rhode Island today, we don't win.

You can say that about any game.

Don't know about that...  I think Rhode Island would pay us back in a rematch.  Personally, I think we were playing better at that time in the season.

They had just lost 3 of 4 and also lost to UMass this month. Really silly to judge a team on just 1 game.

You realize 3 of those loses are #19 Dayton by 2, @ VCU plus @ Davidson.  tough set of games, a lot of teams would lose those 3.

And they weren't close in 2 of them. But whatever, we'll give them theoretical wins over Valpo. Let's give theoretical wins to Oregon State and Iona as well. Valpo's pretend record should be 43-25.

Don't go overboard...

I like playing make believe too.  Point of saying, "I don't think we beat Rhode Island in a rematch," is I don't think we are playing as well as we were in the stretch vs. Iona, Rhode Island and Oregon St.  That was an impressive set of results all on the road. 

Could we do that again this week?  You don't have to actually answer that theoretical question....

[talksalot]

Saturday 2/27    so far... 3-1 for the non-conference opponents...

Rhode Island  (16-13) 75 Dayton 66   Great road win for the rams!
Wright State (19-12) 55 Cleveland State 51
IUPUI 80 IPFW (23-8) 77
Ball State (19-10) 115 (yes, 115) Eastern Michigan 79 - (61 in the first half for the Cards)
Indiana State (14-16) 77 Bradley 58

Youngstown State @ Northern Kentucky
Missouri State @ Southern Illinois

[talksalot]

3:10pm RPI update

46 Pittsburgh 
47 Stony Brook   
48 Virginia Commonwealth 
49 Monmouth   
50 Valparaiso   
51 Akron   
52 Michigan 

[talksalot]

3:10pm RPI update                 7:45pm

                                            44  Stony Brook
                                            45  Providence    0.5834
46 Pittsburgh                         46  Virginia Commonwealth  0.5834
47 Stony Brook                      47  Valparaiso    0.5833
48 Virginia Commonwealth      48  Vanderbilt    0.5832
49 Monmouth                         49  Pittsburgh
50 Valparaiso                         50  Monmouth
51 Akron                               51  Yale 
52 Michigan                           52  Akron
                                            53  Cincinnati
                                            54  Michigan

[talksalot]

Saturday 2/27    so far... 3-1 for the non-conference opponents...

Rhode Island  (16-13) 75 Dayton 66   Great road win for the rams!
Wright State (19-12) 55 Cleveland State 51
IUPUI 80 IPFW (23-8) 77
Ball State (19-10) 115 (yes, 115) Eastern Michigan 79 - (61 in the first half for the Cards)
Indiana State (14-16) 77 Bradley 58
Youngstown State (11-20) 94 Northern Kentucky (9-20) 75
Missouri State @ Southern Illinois - Bears leading at the half 33-30

[talksalot]

Saturday 2/27     3-2 for the non-conference opponents...

Rhode Island  (16-13) 75 Dayton 66   Great road win for the rams!
Wright State (19-12) 55 Cleveland State 51
IUPUI 80 IPFW (23-8) 77
Ball State (19-10) 115 (yes, 115) Eastern Michigan 79 - (61 in the first half for the Cards)
Indiana State (14-16) 77 Bradley 58
Youngstown State (11-20) 94 Northern Kentucky (9-20) 75
Southern Illinois 78 Missouri State (12-18) 68

3:10pm RPI update                 7:45pm                                9:25pm             

                                            44  Stony Brook                      44 Virginia Com  0.5836
                                            45  Providence    0.5834          45 Valparaiso     0.5834
46 Pittsburgh                         46  Virginia Comm  0.5834      46  Providence    0.5833
47 Stony Brook                      47  Valparaiso    0.5833          47  Vanderbilt     0.5831
48 Virginia Commonwealth      48  Vanderbilt    0.5832          48  Pittsburgh     0.5827
49 Monmouth                         49  Pittsburgh                        49  Monmouth    0.5827
50 Valparaiso                         50  Monmouth                        50  Akron          0.5824
51 Akron                               51  Yale                                  51  Michigan     0.5813
52 Michigan                           52  Akron                               52  Cincinnati    0.5811
                                            53  Cincinnati                         53  Yale            0.5801
                                            54  Michigan                           54  St. Marys    0.5793

[talksalot]

and after all of the west coast games are done... we moved up one more

39  Seton Hall 20 7            0.5895   
40  South Carolina 22 6      0.5893   
41  South Dakota St 21 7    0.5885   
42  Connecticut 20 8           0.5861
43  Virginia Common  21 8  0.5836
44  Valparaiso 23 5             0.5834 
45  Providence 20 9             0.5833
46  Florida 17 12                 0.5830 
47  Saint Mary's 23 4           0.5829
48  Pittsburgh 18 8              0.5827
49  Monmouth 24 6             0.5827

[talksalot]

Milwaukee 98 UIC 85 - UIC Clinches #10 seed in the HL Tournament

Belmont down 5 with 11:00 to play at Tennessee State
Iona down 5 at home to Canisius at the Half
Chicago State tipped off at 4pm at home to UT Rio Grande Valley
Oregon State at home to Wazzu at 5:30 central
Oregon at home to Washington at 7:30 central

and VALPO's RPI Jumps all the way to 42 with that road win at the Resch... 8 days off to get Skara and Walker healthy !!

39  USC 19 9                   0.5899 
40  South Carolina 22 6    0.5892 
41  South Dakota St 21 7 0.5885   
42  Valparaiso 23 5          0.5834   
43  Virginia Comm 21 8    0.5832 
44  Florida 17 12              0.5831   
45  Saint Mary's 23 4        0.5829 
46  Providence 20 9          0.5828 
47  Pittsburgh 18 8           0.5826 
48  Monmouth 24 6           0.5826   
49  Akron 21 7                  0.5825   

[talksalot]

Milwaukee 98 UIC 85 - UIC Clinches #10 seed in the HL Tournament
Tennessee State 87 Belmont (20-10) 72
Iona (19-10) 86 Canisius 78   and the Gaels lockup the #2 seed in the MAAC tournament, RPI was 108 going into this game, Griffins were #228

Chicago State tipped off at 4pm at home to UT Rio Grande Valley - leading 42-40 at the half
Oregon State at home to Wazzu at 5:30 central
Oregon at home to Washington at 7:30 central

[talksalot]

and Iona's RPI crept up to 107 after their win... passing #108... Ball State !  arggggggg.

Belmont hangs in at #80

Valpo falls to 43... but there is a large (statistically speaking) break in the arithmetic between 43 and 44. weird.

South Carolina            0.5889 39 
Pittsburgh                   0.5889 40
South Dakota State      0.5885 41 
Tulsa                           0.5885 42   
Valparaiso                    0.5870 43 
Florida                         0.5831 44   
Saint Mary's                 0.5829 45
Providence                    0.5828 46
Virginia Common           0.5827 47
Monmouth                     0.5825 48  already clinched #1 seed in MAAC tournament, but are playing #315 Niagara at home right now, so they will fall regardless of the outcome up 7 with 16:00 to play 

[talksalot]

Milwaukee 98 UIC 85 - UIC Clinches #10 seed in the HL Tournament
Tennessee State 87 Belmont (20-10) 72
Iona (19-10) 86 Canisius 78   
UT Rio Grande Valley 89 Chicago State (4-26) 79 - 17-game losing streak
Oregon State at home to Wazzu at 5:30 central - up 23-10 with 4:00 to play first half
Oregon at home to Washington at 7:30 central

[talksalot]

                                                      6:10pm       9:16pm

South Carolina            0.5889 39    0.5889 39
Pittsburgh                   0.5889 40    0.5888 40
South Dakota State      0.5885 41    0.5885 41
Tulsa                           0.5885 42    0.5885 42
Valparaiso                    0.5870 43    0.5868 43   0.5870 43 Beavers
Florida                         0.5831 44    0.5831 44
Saint Mary's                 0.5829 45    0.5830 45
Providence                    0.5828 46   0.5827 46
Virginia Common           0.5827 47   0.5827 47
Monmouth                     0.5825 48  0.5825 48
Monmouth                                      0.5791 54
(before and after their win over #308 Niagara went final)

[talksalot]

Milwaukee 98 UIC 85 - UIC Clinches #10 seed in the HL Tournament
Tennessee State 87 Belmont (20-10) 72
Iona (19-10) 86 Canisius 78   
UT Rio Grande Valley 89 Chicago State (4-26) 79 - 17-game losing streak

Oregon State (17-10) 69 Washington State 49  Beaver's do their part !    Unfortunately, Wazzu's RPI was 199... so just playing them will hurt.

Oregon at home to Washington at 7:30 central

[justducky]

Tennessee State 87 Belmont (20-10) 72

Was Belmont's automatic NIT bid at stake? ahhhh no!
Was their Ohio Valley tournament seeding at stake?  ahhh no!
Was their possible NCAA seeding affected? The answer here is little or none. So I guess my question is how many RPI .00001 points and places might it have cost us? I only bring this up because over reliance on any one selection or seeding tool can be myopic.

[HC]

Some of the bracket guys on Twitter I follow have said RPI isn't really relied on very much at all.

[talksalot]

Milwaukee 98 UIC 85 - UIC Clinches #10 seed in the HL Tournament
Tennessee State 87 Belmont (20-10) 72
Iona (19-10) 86 Canisius 78   
UT Rio Grande Valley 89 Chicago State (4-26) 79 - 17-game losing streak
Oregon State (17-10) 69 Washington State 49 
Oregon (23-6) 86  Washington 73

and I put the RPI out there... because it's a comparison, it does show relative strength... and the other thing Belmont was playing for was local bragging rights.  Lipscomb, Tennessee State and Belmont are all within a mile-or-so of each other... they are recruiting the same student athletes.

[a3uge]

Some of the bracket guys on Twitter I follow have said RPI isn't really relied on very much at all.

Not raw RPI, but certainly record vs top 50, top 100, etc - this is still measured in RPI.

[talksalot]

A little wider spread on the RPI this morning... showing a lot of the other mid-major bubble teams

Arkansas-Little Rock   24   3      0.5936   36   SOS   207   
Wichita State   22   7              0.5894   37   SOS   100
South Carolina   22   6         0.5889   38   SOS   123
Pittsburgh   19   8                 0.5888   39   SOS  34
Tulsa   19   10                         0.5887   40   SOS  42      
South Dakota State   21   7      0.5883   41   SOS  137      
Valparaiso   24   5                 0.5871   42   SOS  165   
USC   19   10                         0.5651   44   SOS  39
Providence   20   9         0.5833   44   SOS  55
Florida   17   12                 0.5830   45   SOS    14      
Virginia Commonwealth   21 8      0.5830   46   SOS  79
Saint Mary's College   23   4      0.5828   47   SOS  174
Akron   21   7                 0.5825   48   SOS  142      

[talksalot]

Time to expand this discussion a little... from "Opponent games" to "Opponent and other-teams-we-want-to-lose"

Tuesday 3/1/16
Central Michigan 65 Ball State (19-11) 57   That is the only VU opponent playing tonight

Also in action:
Dayton wins a big road game at Richmond 85-84 to move up to 23-6
Akron wins a MAC Home game with a decent Ohio team 91-76, zips move up to 23-7 and into the RPI #42, moving Valpo to #43.

Ark -Little Rock (27-3) 89 Arkansas State 80; UALR's RPI is still a healthy 36

St Marys at home to Grand Canyon, Gaels are up 8, at the half;  St. Marys RPI is 45; Antelopes are #95.

San Diego State is at the Pit and they lead the Lobo's by 12 with 12:00 to play

[talksalot]

Wednesday 3/2
Oregon is @ UCLA

Oregon State is @ USC - USC is hanging right with Valpo in the RPI; so this would be a big win for the Beavers and for Valpo.

and other games:

UMBC @ Stony Brook - SB is Mid Major #10 with a record of 23-6, Stony Brook is the best team this season that's never made the NCAAs

St Josephs at St Bonaventure... one of them has their bubble burst with a loss on Wednesday.
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Thursday, 3/3
UMass @ Rhode Island... Please Rams... win a game...
Drake @ Missouri State... Please Bears... win a game

Others:
UALR @ Appalachian State - Mountaineers are RPI #283... sorry little rock...

SFAustin (Mid Major #7)  @ Northwestern State-Demons RPI is #345...SFA would accept a bid to the Horizon right now.

Hawaii @ UCDavis; Rainbow Warriors are MidMajor #8
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Friday 3/4
Ball State @ Northern Illinois... please Cardinals... win a game

Indiana State @ Illinois State

and two big games in the Ivy:  Yale @ Cornell and Princeton @ Harvard
Yale (RPI 50) is 11-1; Princeton (RPI #33) is 10-1
(Cornell is 2-10; Harvard is 4-8)
Eli then goes to Columbia (RPI 123) on Saturday;
Tigers go to Dartmouth (RPI 284) on Saturday; and finish at home against Penn on Tuesday.

If they end in a tie (they split regular season); they will have a one-game playoff for the NCAA bid
Princeton's losses are to RPI:  7, 10, 26, 50 and 62... all on the road.
Yale's losses are to RPI:  12, 15, 86, 44, 33 and #161-Illinois.... all on the road

[justducky]

St Josephs at St Bonaventure... one of them has their bubble burst with a loss on Wednesday.

St Bonaventure  yes  St Josephs maybe not. They could still be in the conversation with some deep conference tournament success.

Oregon State is @ USC - USC is hanging right with Valpo in the RPI; so this would be a big win for the Beavers and for Valpo.[/quote]
An Oregon, Oregon St sweep puts USC out of the picture and losses to both UCLA and USC eliminates the Beavers as well. Hope for the best. 

I hate having to sit back hoping for help!

[SanityLost17]

Teams we want to lose tonight:
Texas Tech (probably already in, but if they lose their final 2-3 games they still might miss the tournament)
Notre Dame (more they lose the more it hurts Monmouth, in case an at large choice comes down to us vs. them) 
VCU
St. Bonaventure (I think St. Joe is in already)
Butler
Alabama
UCLA (Oregon needs to keep winning - UCLA is not going to make the tournament regardless)
USC (lost 5 out of last 6.  If they lose a few more they are going to be out.  Also hurts Monmouth since they played them twice.  Oregon State winning helps us.  This is the biggest game of the night for any slim hopes of an at-large.)