Game 33: Texas Southern at the ARC, NIT First Round

[agibson]

Tuesday 8:15 PM central.

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[agibson]

Looks like tickets are $10 and $15.

Ever want to sit court side? I think I'll skip it with my kids in tow, but get 'em while the getting's good. Also just $15. Available on valpoathletics.com as well.

http://www.etix.com/ticket/p/6060141/valpo-mens-basketball-vstexas-southern-valparaiso-valparaiso-universityathleticsrecreation-center-arc?cobrand=valpo

[NativeCheesehead]

Do we season ticket holders get first crack at our seats? (I'm assuming this is the case, unless we've sold out most of the chairbacks already.)

[agibson]

Do we season ticket holders get first crack at our seats? (I'm assuming this is the case, unless we've sold out most of the chairbacks already.)

Worth calling the box office? I assume they're holding them for you - I can't get three together in the center chairback section, for example.

[talksalot]

Texas Southern Roster... I could not have told you they are located in Houston...DIRECTLY across the street from the University of Houston ~!

http://tsuball.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

http://tsuball.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2015&

Starters in their last game against Southern:

6-5 Sr Malcolm Riley - 15.0 ppg
6-5 Sr Chris Thomas - 14.7 ppg
6-3 Sr David Blanks
6-7 Fr Derrick Griffin
6-5 Sr Orlando Coleman
6th man:  5-9 Freshman Brian Carey

[talksalot]

Fac Staff just got an email about $5 Mezzanine tickets...

[talksalot]

1-877-my-vu-tix

[oklahomamick]

Texas Southern Roster... I could not have told you they are located in Houston...DIRECTLY across the street from the University of Houston ~! http://tsuball.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball http://tsuball.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2015& Starters in their last game against Southern: 6-5 Sr Malcolm Riley - 15.0 ppg 6-5 Sr Chris Thomas - 14.7 ppg 6-3 Sr David Blanks 6-7 Fr Derrick Griffin 6-5 Sr Orlando Coleman 6th man:  5-9 Freshman Brian Carey

They are short.  We don't play well against small teams and often put Vashil on the bench for these occasions.

[agibson]

and they lost 11 of their 12 OOC games this year... then practically swept all of the 200+Rpi teams in their conference.... including losses to RPI 334 and 333... they did not play a home game until January 2nd!

When's the last time we hosted an HBCU at the ARC?

[oklahomamick]

Chicago St. ?

[nkvu]

Texas Southern Roster... I could not have told you they are located in Houston...DIRECTLY across the street from the University of Houston ~! http://tsuball.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball http://tsuball.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2015& Starters in their last game against Southern: 6-5 Sr Malcolm Riley - 15.0 ppg 6-5 Sr Chris Thomas - 14.7 ppg 6-3 Sr David Blanks 6-7 Fr Derrick Griffin 6-5 Sr Orlando Coleman 6th man:  5-9 Freshman Brian Carey

They are short.  We don't play well against small teams and often put Vashil on the beach for these occasions.

So we will play to their strength rather than making them play to ours?  Why not play more zone pushing out to defend the three and make them try to penetrate while we have Vashile to protect the rim. Just a thought.

[oklahomamick]

agreed, It's just what I have noticed. 

[agibson]

Chicago St. ?

I'll take that seriously.

Maybe not H enough? (OK, that's not very serious.)

Apparently, from wiki, Chicago State's debated the question themselves the question of whether to consider themselves an HBCU. As far as I know, they're not widely considered one. But they are apparently a member of the Thurgood Marshall College Fund, which seems to be basically for HBCU's.

[agibson]

For those of you that hadn't noticed this yet, Texas Southern won at Michigan State and Kansas State last year.

and they lost 11 of their 12 OOC games this year... then practically swept all of the 200+Rpi teams in their conference.... including losses to RPI 334 and 333... they did not play a home game until January 2nd!

If anybody's tempted to get too down on Texas Southern, we should probably make Kyle Whelliston's piece(s) on the plight of HBCU's required reading. It seems like at some of these schools they're playing two months of "guarantee games" (or "bodybag games") to pay the bill not just for the basketball team, but sometimes for the whole athletic department. Bus trips. Maybe not such nice buses.

So, yeah, their best win is RPI 186 Southern at home. They lost to them on the road. And in the conference tournament.

I also couldn't have told you they were in Houston, but their wikipedia page includes one anecdote I have heard before.

In 1946 Heman Marion Sweatt, an African American, was denied admission to the University of Texas law school on the basis of race. The Sweatt v. Painter case in the US Supreme Court didn't admit him, but led to Texas establishing the law school at Texas Southern as a "separate but equal" type of solution, and basically created the university (previously a junior college, segregated of course). Perhaps one of the lawyers on the board could tell us more. They now apparently rank 4th in the US in number of doctoral and professional degrees awarded to African Americans.

[talksalot]

http://hbculifestyle.com/list-of-hbcu-schools/

I found these HOME games...

December 2, 1998... Norfolk State... we won 104-69

December 4, 1963 ... Kentucky State... we won 94-72

December 4, 1962... Kentucky State... we lost 81-68

[agibson]

KenPom 177 (a bit below Detroit). Probably a 16 seed if they had won their conference tournament? (Which was in Houston, but not on their home court; single bye, or more like four teams playing in from a ten team conference.)

#241 defense, #130 offense. Reasonably methodical, playing only 1.5 possession per game faster than we do (#199 tempo to our #261).

I wonder if we'll open as... 15 point favorites? Or more?

But, obviously, very much can't overlook them. Our record in the post-season is not good. Hopefully a good warm-up game after a week off, and a lot of emotion, but got to play the game, got to win the game.

[agibson]

http://hbculifestyle.com/list-of-hbcu-schools/

I found these HOME games...

December 2, 1998... Norfolk State... we won 104-69

December 4, 1963 ... Kentucky State... we won 94-72

December 4, 1962... Kentucky State... we lost 81-68

Nice research!

Norfolk State a D1, but Kentucky State D2. So, not a first, but a fairly rare event.

This _is_ the first #1 NIT seed for the Horizon League (obviously a sort of a booby prize), but they've not been seeding the bracket for _so_ many years...

[nkvu]

Sounds like if we take this game seriously we should win. If we don't it could be a huge loss and devistating to our program. Take care of business and move on to the second round.

[talksalot]

Need to get the Student's out... and Rock the ARC...

[talksalot]

The Davidson / FSU game tips 15 minutes before we do...

the Seminole ticket prices are $10/adult $4/youth

[oklahomamick]

Sounds like if we take this game seriously we should win. If we don't it could be a huge loss and devistating to our program. Take care of business and move on to the second round.

So this is the reason the Power 5 avoid us?  Nothing to win but everything to lose?   

[nkvu]

Sounds like if we take this game seriously we should win. If we don't it could be a huge loss and devistating to our program. Take care of business and move on to the second round.

So this is the reason the Power 5 avoid us?  Nothing to win but everything to lose?   

Pretty much.

[agibson]

Paul Oren's piece on the day, and Texas Southern
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-snubbed-from-ncaa-earns-top-seed-in-nit/article_892fe358-78e6-51b5-9628-350848069700.html

Bryce had seen (on TV) the guarantee game Texas Southern played at Baylor (75-49).

They're coached by Mike Davis, who succeeded Bobby Knight at IU when Bobby got the heave-ho. Seven NCAA appearances across IU, UAB, and Texas Southern. A run to the national title game with IU (albeit with Bobby Knight's recruiting class; but as assistant I'm sure he played a role). Four NIT appearances including a trip to the quarterfinals with UAB.

Been to the NIT or NCAA in 13 of 16 seasons as head coach. And has won the SWAC, the SWAC tournament, or both in each of his four seasons at Texas Southern.

[vu72]

So, if we win games, like in the NCAAs, do we win money for us or for the conference or do we keep part of/all of the gate?

[a3uge]

and they lost 11 of their 12 OOC games this year... then practically swept all of the 200+Rpi teams in their conference.... including losses to RPI 334 and 333... they did not play a home game until January 2nd!

When's the last time we hosted an HBCU at the ARC?

Didn't we host Bethune Cookman in the first HL championship season?