Here is What We Now Know

[a3uge]

YSU is a football school that doesn't properly fund its basketball program

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In 2014 South Dakota State's basketball budget was $1,068,000, while Youngstown State's budget was $1,229,000. While they obviously have the smallest budget in the league, saying they're a "football school" is irrelevant - the entire MAC is made up of football schools with smaller basketball budgets (which are mostly funded by their football teams). North Dakota State is a football school and actually won a tournament game (also smaller budget than YSU).

Guess it's just water under the bridge, but YSU is awful because of poor leadership, piss poor coaching, and a small budget, not because they're a football school.

[StlVUFan]

There are probably other variables that you need to factor out, but you've answered my only bullet well.  There must be some other difference between the two

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[agibson]

YSU is a football school that doesn't properly fund its basketball program

Occasionally someone with a tiny budget does well (Yale has a surprisingly small MBB budget), but it often seems like it's pretty hard to compete even as a midmajor if you're below a $2M, $2.5M level.

Surprisingly, Youngstown's overall athletic budget isn't all that large ($14.9M). Only about third in the league, only slightly larger than Valpo's (or maybe it depends what year you check, one source has $15.0M) . For a football school, there isn't much money sloshing around overall (and, indeed, their football team is funded several times as well as their basketball).

YSU's men's basketball team is funded ($1.27M) about like Valpo's women team ($1.24M - compare Valpo men at $2.5M).

[elephtheria47]

NDSU and SDSU are , for the most part, by themselves. YSU is surrounded by a lot of other universities. Easier for schools out west to get better talent vs someone like YSU whose never had success in bball and recruiting vs a lot of nearby colleges who did.

YSU recruits for the same athlete as Cleveland State, Akron, Kent State, Ohio, and some of the Pittsburgh schools (all more successful with bball) while being grouped with Gary/Flint/Other declining rust belt cities.

[StlVUFan]

NDSU and SDSU are , for the most part, by themselves. YSU is surrounded by a lot of other universities. Easier for schools out west to get better talent vs someone like YSU whose never had success in bball and recruiting vs a lot of nearby colleges who did.

YSU recruits for the same athlete as Cleveland State, Akron, Kent State, Ohio, and some of the Pittsburgh schools (all more successful with bball) while being grouped with Gary/Flint/Other declining rust belt cities.

Indeed.

[ValpoDad89]

As far as Football goes, they can get into the Gateway League which houses all the good MVC schools and others that play football but want to keep their identity in their respective basketball conferences. I would bet the Gateway would welcome them with open arms.