David Skara is transferring...

[wh]

If cheating on a test is worth a 20-game suspension, how much is stealing while representing your country in China worth?

UCLA players quizzed over alleged shoplifting to remain in China: ESPN

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21370055/three-ucla-players-arrested-shoplifting-charges-fly-home-team

What do you wanna bet that some university baby coddler will deem that the emotional distress of not being allowed to leave China with their teammates is punishment enough.

[valporun]

If cheating on a test is worth a 20-game suspension, how much is stealing while representing your country in China worth?

UCLA players quizzed over alleged shoplifting to remain in China: ESPN

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21370055/three-ucla-players-arrested-shoplifting-charges-fly-home-team

What do you wanna bet that some university baby coddler will deem that the emotional distress of not being allowed to leave China with their teammates is punishment enough.

This ordeal will be covered by Big Baller Brand...

[agibson]

What do you wanna bet that some university baby coddler will deem that the emotional distress of not being allowed to leave China with their teammates is punishment enough.

It's not academic. Probably at Valpo this would be two games, like Burton and Sorolla, right? They've missed one already, they'll miss more than another as they wait in China for the legal process.

Bad situation for the students, horrible press for UCLA and NCAA.

[FWalum]

What do you wanna bet that some university baby coddler will deem that the emotional distress of not being allowed to leave China with their teammates is punishment enough.

It's not academic. Probably at Valpo this would be two games, like Burton and Sorolla, right? They've missed one already, they'll miss more than another as they wait in China for the legal process.

Bad situation for the students, horrible press for UCLA and NCAA.

Which begs the question, how in the world are they keeping up with academics while they're under house arrest in China.

[VU2014]

Which begs the question, how in the world are they keeping up with academics while they're under house arrest in China.

Most major power programs have their student-athletes take online classes so they don't even have to go to classes. That's one way how they avoid the "student" part of student-athlete.

[valpo64]

The power conferences may have athletes go the on-line route but I do know that my granddaughter has had a number of IU basketball players in her classes at Bloomington.  Of course I must add that perhaps IU is not a major program         After the way they played vs. ISU, perhaps they should do the on-line thing and spend more time in the gym.

[bigmosmithfan1]

I would like an explanation from the NCAA why the guy at the midmajor lost 20 games and the remainder of his senior season, but the player who transfers to a P5 only loses 9 games. I imagine VU and Jubril's family attorneys would be interested in having the NCAA answer that question in front of a judge as well.

[wh]

The power conferences may have athletes go the on-line route but I do know that my granddaughter has had a number of IU basketball players in her classes at Bloomington.  Of course I must add that perhaps IU is not a major program         After the way they played vs. ISU, perhaps they should do the on-line thing and spend more time in the gym.

My education credentials predate the www, so I never had an opportunity to take a class on-line. I do know they're popular, and I can certainly understand the convenience factor and other benefits. That said, I do have a question. In the case of students living in a dorm taking the same on-line class, wouldn't that be an invitation to improperly "collaborate," or are there built-in safeguards for that?  Again, I'm not picking at the validity of on-line classes. It seems like universities everywhere are using them and I'm sure they've been carefully assessed for quality, etc. Just asking a straightforward question.

[FWalum]

Which begs the question, how in the world are they keeping up with academics while they're under house arrest in China.

Most major power programs have their student-athletes take online classes so they don't even have to go to classes. That's one way how they avoid the "student" part of student-athlete.

I guess you are probably right. As the husband of a college professor I am aware of online courses, but working in software I also know the internet in China is not as we know it and access I to US academic websites are probably not available to the general public, but then I remembered that they would be in luxury tourist hotels that would have unrestricted access.

[VULB#62]

One thing they won't have:  social media sites. Those are not permitted in China. Those Bruins will be catatonic.

[agibson]

but then I remembered that they would be in luxury tourist hotels that would have unrestricted access.

It sounds like it's varied a lot over the years, and even month-to-month.

My conference hotel in Beijing a few months ago didn't seem to have any special privileges. No google, no facebook, no twitter, no NY Times.

But, VPN's are widely used and not too expensive. They might slow down your connection considerably, but they should allow unrestricted internet access.

[wh]

The power conferences may have athletes go the on-line route but I do know that my granddaughter has had a number of IU basketball players in her classes at Bloomington.  Of course I must add that perhaps IU is not a major program         After the way they played vs. ISU, perhaps they should do the on-line thing and spend more time in the gym.

My education credentials predate the www, so I never had an opportunity to take a class on-line. I do know they're popular, and I can certainly understand the convenience factor and other benefits. That said, I do have a question. In the case of students living in a dorm taking the same on-line class, wouldn't that be an invitation to improperly "collaborate," or are there built-in safeguards for that? Again, I'm not picking at the validity of on-line classes. It seems like universities everywhere are using them and I'm sure they've been carefully assessed for quality, etc. Just asking a straightforward question.

Looks like I may have answered my own question about improperly collaborating on answers, albeit slightly different circumstances. Hot off the press:

APPS 3 hours ago
Scandal rocks Ohio State University as 83 students accused of cheating via app

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/11/13/scandal-rocks-ohio-state-university-as-83-students-accused-cheating-via-app.html

[bbtds]

In the case of students living in a dorm taking the same on-line class, wouldn't that be an invitation to improperly "collaborate," or are there built-in safeguards for that? 

Good question. I have always wondered how profs that have their students take the class online deal with the issue of "cheating/collaboration/outside influence?"

[VULB#62]

In the case of students living in a dorm taking the same on-line class, wouldn't that be an invitation to improperly "collaborate," or are there built-in safeguards for that?

Good question. I have always wondered how profs that have their students take the class online deal with the issue of "cheating/collaboration/outside influence?"

Many on-line classes (at least in some of the MBA/MA/MS offerings I have witnessed) actually place a high premium on collaboration. Courses are set up with enollees divided into teams and grades are given based on each group's outputs.  Many outputs are team "projects" that are submitted as jointly prepared papers of one sort or another.  In theory, groups are expected to divide work evenly and monitor their own progress.  In reality, the strongest/smartest/dedicated enrollees usually carry the lesser enrollees along for the ride.

[vu84v2]

There are tools that allow professors to monitor whether the correct student is taking an exam. It essentially videotapes them for a length of time set by the professor (yeah, that is kind of creepy). You can also require them to go to a testing center to take online exams.  Still, online courses create lots of potential issues for whether the ultimate grade is credible.

[Pgmado]

Good question. I have always wondered how profs that have their students take the class online deal with the issue of "cheating/collaboration/outside influence?"

I've taught some online courses. The key is to make the material "uncheatable." I've taught a social media class online. I ask them to write papers about their own experiences with social media, things that they couldn't possibly cheat on, unless they were simply making it up.

[historyman]

unless they were simply making it up.

I think this is the way I passed most of my tougher classes. If the professor (or Ginger or Maryann) thought I was creative enough I passed anyway.