Valpo Opponents' Schedule & Results 2016-17

[justducky]

RI with a nice 70-59 win at Davidson. Nice surprise as I fell asleep with them trailing by 9. RPI still at 56.

[talksalot]

RI with a nice 70-59 win at Davidson. Nice surprise as I fell asleep with them trailing by 9. RPI still at 56.

I watched the the last 10 minutes, Davidson did not score a basket until the clock was at 5 seconds

[talksalot]

Valpo opens the first full week of February, First Place in HL, 1/2 game lead, and an RPI @# 64 0.5671; Sagarin fell from 77 to 85 this morning.

This week... the opponents see action:

Monday: 
NC Central @ Coppin State

Tuesday:
Ball State @ Akron
Alabama @ South Carolina
LSU @ Kentucky
Rhode Island @ UMass

Wednesday
Indiana State @ Bradley

Thursday:
Montana @ SUU
Missouri State @ Wichita State
Oregon @ UCLA
Santa Clara @ San Francisco
BYI @ Pepperdine
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Milwaukee @ Wright State
GB @ Northern Kentucky
Youngstown State @ UIC

(Oakland gets the rematch with Detroit on Friday)

[talksalot]

What do Wright State and Ball State have in common?

so... bbtds... what's the answer???

[bbtds]

What do Wright State and Ball State have in common?

Since nobody else will bite let me be the straight man. After exhaustive research I have discovered that both are located on planet Earth and both are named after 19'th century primates.
Your turn.

They are both named after brothers. Wright State was named for the very famous inventors of flight, Orville and Wilbur Wright. Ball State is named for Frank and Edmund Ball, who started the Ball Brothers Glass Manufacturing Company in 1886. In 1889 the company relocated to Muncie, Indiana. In 1969 after a few name changes it became the Ball Corporation. They also let three more Ball brothers into the company, William, Lucius and George. So there were actually 5 Ball brothers involved in the manufacturing business. Later on they bought the school in Muncie that had gone bankrupt and after a few years gifted it to the state of Indiana for the education of teachers. Later on the school was renamed Ball State University to honor the manufacturing brothers who donated the school to the state.

The Ball brothers uncle, George Harvey Ball, an educator and president of Keuka College of Kueka Park, NY in the Finger Lakes region, gave the money for the two original Ball brothers to buy the Wooden Jacket Can Company of Buffalo (which was the company that eventually became the Ball Corporation of Muncie). It was their gratitude for their uncle's sacrifice that led them to buy the school in Muncie and dedicate it to educating teachers.

I found this part of the history of Keuka College on wikipedia:

The College faced financial troubles and decided to suspend active instruction in 1915. In 1919, Arthur H. Norton (after whom the Norton Chapel is named) was chosen as the president of Keuka and worked to revitalize the College. Under Norton, who would serve as president for the next 16 years, Keuka resumed instruction in 1921 as Keuka College for Women. During this trying time (1919-1921), Norton personally wrote more than 3,000 letters, published and mailed at least 10,000 pamphlets, made 66 speeches, and surveyed 76 colleges in order to advance Keuka's cause. Dr. Gertrude Martin, former dean of women at Cornell University, became a Keuka trustee and advised the now women's college[29] The Ball Brothers—founders of what would become the Ball Corporation, a S&P 500 company, and benefactors of Ball State University—were among the key supporters of Keuka at this time. Years earlier, with their father in poor health, the young Ball brothers "found a friend and confidant in their uncle," George Harvey Ball. When the Ball brothers' mother, Lucius Styles Ball, died, Uncle George provided financial support and some measure of stability to the young Ball brothers. George Harvey Ball also provided his nephews with funds that helped launch their successful enterprise.[30][31] The Ball brothers expressed their gratitude to their uncle by supporting Keuka College, donating land and providing funds. In recognition of this, the first academic building was renamed Ball Hall (Ball Memorial Hall) in 1921 after founder and first president George Harvey Ball and the Ball Brothers[32] The Ball Family also supported Hillsdale College in Michigan.[33]

[justducky]

What do Wright State and Ball State have in common?

Since nobody else will bite let me be the straight man. After exhaustive research I have discovered that both are located on planet Earth and both are named after 19'th century primates.
Your turn.

They are both named after brothers. Wright State was named for the very famous inventors of flight, Orville and Wilbur Wright. Ball State is named for Frank and Edmund Ball, who started the Ball Brothers Glass Manufacturing Company in 1886. In 1889 the company relocated to Muncie, Indiana. In 1969 after a few name changes it became the Ball Corporation. They also let three more Ball brothers into the company, William, Lucius and George. So there were actually 5 Ball brothers involved in the manufacturing business. Later on they bought the school in Muncie that had gone bankrupt and after a few years gifted it to the state of Indiana for the education of teachers. Later on the school was renamed Ball State University to honor the manufacturing brothers who donated the school to the state.

The Ball brothers uncle, George Harvey Ball, an educator and president of Keuka College of Kueka Park, NY in the Finger Lakes region, gave the money for the two original Ball brothers to buy the Wooden Jacket Can Company of Buffalo (which was the company that eventually became the Ball Corporation of Muncie). It was their gratitude for their uncle's sacrifice that led them to buy the school in Muncie and dedicate it to educating teachers.

I found this part of the history of Keuka College on wikipedia:

The College faced financial troubles and decided to suspend active instruction in 1915. In 1919, Arthur H. Norton (after whom the Norton Chapel is named) was chosen as the president of Keuka and worked to revitalize the College. Under Norton, who would serve as president for the next 16 years, Keuka resumed instruction in 1921 as Keuka College for Women. During this trying time (1919-1921), Norton personally wrote more than 3,000 letters, published and mailed at least 10,000 pamphlets, made 66 speeches, and surveyed 76 colleges in order to advance Keuka's cause. Dr. Gertrude Martin, former dean of women at Cornell University, became a Keuka trustee and advised the now women's college[29] The Ball Brothers—founders of what would become the Ball Corporation, a S&P 500 company, and benefactors of Ball State University—were among the key supporters of Keuka at this time. Years earlier, with their father in poor health, the young Ball brothers "found a friend and confidant in their uncle," George Harvey Ball. When the Ball brothers' mother, Lucius Styles Ball, died, Uncle George provided financial support and some measure of stability to the young Ball brothers. George Harvey Ball also provided his nephews with funds that helped launch their successful enterprise.[30][31] The Ball brothers expressed their gratitude to their uncle by supporting Keuka College, donating land and providing funds. In recognition of this, the first academic building was renamed Ball Hall (Ball Memorial Hall) in 1921 after founder and first president George Harvey Ball and the Ball Brothers[32] The Ball Family also supported Hillsdale College in Michigan.[33]

Wait. Thats all you've got? Instead of a punchline you give us a scholarly history lesson?

Yesterday left us dismayed, in despair, and now this disappointment has rubbed fresh salt in our wounds.      You've got to do better than that.    We hold you to a higher standard. 

[valporun]

What do Wright State and Ball State have in common?

Since nobody else will bite let me be the straight man. After exhaustive research I have discovered that both are located on planet Earth and both are named after 19'th century primates.
Your turn.

They are both named after brothers. Wright State was named for the very famous inventors of flight, Orville and Wilbur Wright. Ball State is named for Frank and Edmund Ball, who started the Ball Brothers Glass Manufacturing Company in 1886. In 1889 the company relocated to Muncie, Indiana. In 1969 after a few name changes it became the Ball Corporation. They also let three more Ball brothers into the company, William, Lucius and George. So there were actually 5 Ball brothers involved in the manufacturing business. Later on they bought the school in Muncie that had gone bankrupt and after a few years gifted it to the state of Indiana for the education of teachers. Later on the school was renamed Ball State University to honor the manufacturing brothers who donated the school to the state.

The Ball brothers uncle, George Harvey Ball, an educator and president of Keuka College of Kueka Park, NY in the Finger Lakes region, gave the money for the two original Ball brothers to buy the Wooden Jacket Can Company of Buffalo (which was the company that eventually became the Ball Corporation of Muncie). It was their gratitude for their uncle's sacrifice that led them to buy the school in Muncie and dedicate it to educating teachers.

I found this part of the history of Keuka College on wikipedia:

The College faced financial troubles and decided to suspend active instruction in 1915. In 1919, Arthur H. Norton (after whom the Norton Chapel is named) was chosen as the president of Keuka and worked to revitalize the College. Under Norton, who would serve as president for the next 16 years, Keuka resumed instruction in 1921 as Keuka College for Women. During this trying time (1919-1921), Norton personally wrote more than 3,000 letters, published and mailed at least 10,000 pamphlets, made 66 speeches, and surveyed 76 colleges in order to advance Keuka's cause. Dr. Gertrude Martin, former dean of women at Cornell University, became a Keuka trustee and advised the now women's college[29] The Ball Brothers—founders of what would become the Ball Corporation, a S&P 500 company, and benefactors of Ball State University—were among the key supporters of Keuka at this time. Years earlier, with their father in poor health, the young Ball brothers "found a friend and confidant in their uncle," George Harvey Ball. When the Ball brothers' mother, Lucius Styles Ball, died, Uncle George provided financial support and some measure of stability to the young Ball brothers. George Harvey Ball also provided his nephews with funds that helped launch their successful enterprise.[30][31] The Ball brothers expressed their gratitude to their uncle by supporting Keuka College, donating land and providing funds. In recognition of this, the first academic building was renamed Ball Hall (Ball Memorial Hall) in 1921 after founder and first president George Harvey Ball and the Ball Brothers[32] The Ball Family also supported Hillsdale College in Michigan.[33]

Wait. Thats all you've got? Instead of a punchline you give us a scholarly history lesson?

Yesterday left us dismayed, in despair, and now this disappointment has rubbed fresh salt in our wounds.      You've got to do better than that.    We hold you to a higher standard. 

I guess the Ball is in your court? Crash the glass, gentlemen!

[bbtds]

What do Wright State and Ball State have in common?

Since nobody else will bite let me be the straight man. After exhaustive research I have discovered that both are located on planet Earth and both are named after 19'th century primates.
Your turn.

They are both named after brothers. Wright State was named for the very famous inventors of flight, Orville and Wilbur Wright. Ball State is named for Frank and Edmund Ball, who started the Ball Brothers Glass Manufacturing Company in 1886. In 1889 the company relocated to Muncie, Indiana. In 1969 after a few name changes it became the Ball Corporation. They also let three more Ball brothers into the company, William, Lucius and George. So there were actually 5 Ball brothers involved in the manufacturing business. Later on they bought the school in Muncie that had gone bankrupt and after a few years gifted it to the state of Indiana for the education of teachers. Later on the school was renamed Ball State University to honor the manufacturing brothers who donated the school to the state.

The Ball brothers uncle, George Harvey Ball, an educator and president of Keuka College of Kueka Park, NY in the Finger Lakes region, gave the money for the two original Ball brothers to buy the Wooden Jacket Can Company of Buffalo (which was the company that eventually became the Ball Corporation of Muncie). It was their gratitude for their uncle's sacrifice that led them to buy the school in Muncie and dedicate it to educating teachers.

I found this part of the history of Keuka College on wikipedia:

The College faced financial troubles and decided to suspend active instruction in 1915. In 1919, Arthur H. Norton (after whom the Norton Chapel is named) was chosen as the president of Keuka and worked to revitalize the College. Under Norton, who would serve as president for the next 16 years, Keuka resumed instruction in 1921 as Keuka College for Women. During this trying time (1919-1921), Norton personally wrote more than 3,000 letters, published and mailed at least 10,000 pamphlets, made 66 speeches, and surveyed 76 colleges in order to advance Keuka's cause. Dr. Gertrude Martin, former dean of women at Cornell University, became a Keuka trustee and advised the now women's college[29] The Ball Brothers—founders of what would become the Ball Corporation, a S&P 500 company, and benefactors of Ball State University—were among the key supporters of Keuka at this time. Years earlier, with their father in poor health, the young Ball brothers "found a friend and confidant in their uncle," George Harvey Ball. When the Ball brothers' mother, Lucius Styles Ball, died, Uncle George provided financial support and some measure of stability to the young Ball brothers. George Harvey Ball also provided his nephews with funds that helped launch their successful enterprise.[30][31] The Ball brothers expressed their gratitude to their uncle by supporting Keuka College, donating land and providing funds. In recognition of this, the first academic building was renamed Ball Hall (Ball Memorial Hall) in 1921 after founder and first president George Harvey Ball and the Ball Brothers[32] The Ball Family also supported Hillsdale College in Michigan.[33]

Wait. Thats all you've got? Instead of a punchline you give us a scholarly history lesson?

Yesterday left us dismayed, in despair, and now this disappointment has rubbed fresh salt in our wounds.      You've got to do better than that.    We hold you to a higher standard. 

I really don't understand why you thought "What do Wright State and Ball State have in common?" would lead to a comical answer.

Have I truly been that comical before?

Obviously not.        

Just a legend in my own mind.

I'm truly sorry for the letdown. The question was truly meant as a learning opportunity. This board doesn't need to talk repeatedly about improving facilities. Valpo is an educational institution We need more history lessons on this board!!!   

[talksalot]

so... we start our Tuesday with the RPI at # 64, numerically  0.5670

Tuesday:
Ball State @ Akron - Zips favored by 13
Alabama @ South Carolina - Gamecocks favored by 14
LSU @ Kentucky - BBN favored by 31 !  Yes, 31
Rhode Island @ UMass - Minutemen favored by 1

other questions to be answered tonight...

Can Butler lose it's third game in a row (on the road at Marquette)
Can Vanderbryce get revenge of the 1-point loss to Arkansas... this time on the road?
Can Penn State actually BEAT MARYLAND at the Bryce Jordan Center...Lions are favored by 1 (97% of the money is on the Terps)
and what about Naomi?... sorry, it's been a long day.

[talksalot]

so... we start our Tuesday with the RPI at # 64, numerically  0.5670

Tuesday:
Ball State @ Akron - Zips favored by 13- Isaiah Johnson with a shot at the buzzer...65-63 Zips
Alabama @ South Carolina - Gamecocks favored by 14 - took 'em 4 OTs but Bama pulled this one out 90-86 after missing GW shots at the end of every OT period.
LSU @ Kentucky - BBN favored by 31 !  Yes, 31... well, OK, they hung on to win 92-85... but, still a W
Rhode Island @ UMass - Minutemen favored by 1, another OOC OPP get's it done...Jared Terrell scored 14 points and Rhode Island made 5 of 6 free throws in the last 34 seconds to defeat UMass 70-62.

other questions to be answered tonight...

Can Butler lose it's third game in a row (on the road at Marquette)... no, they held on to win 68-65.

Can Vanderbryce get revenge of the 1-point loss to Arkansas... this time on the road? - Yup. Big Time!   Jumped out 39-18 at the half, won it 72-59.  Poor Adam Amin.  Because of the 4OT game with Bama, Adam came on the air on the SECNetwork with 12:21 to play in the game.  Relegated to the WatchEspn App for the blow-out portion.

Can Penn State actually BEAT MARYLAND at the Bryce Jordan Center...Lions are favored by 1 (97% of the money is on the Terps)... and 97% of the people LOST their money.  PSU wins it 70-64.

and what about Naomi?... sorry, it's been a long day.... and the "Electric Company" reruns may come back to PBS someday...

After coming within a buzzer beater to have the OOC OPP sweep tonight... the Valpo RPI... DROPS to #67   0.5684  gained 7/10,000ths of a point, but dropped 3 places in the rankings.

Looking up to these three:
Akron 18 - 5              0.5689   #64 
Houston 16 - 7           0.5688   #65   
Georgetown 13 - 12    0.5687   #66   

[bbtds]

and what about Naomi?... sorry, it's been a long day.... and the "Electric Company" reruns may come back to PBS someday...

Sorry....you're going to have to explain that one.....

[covufan]

and what about Naomi?... sorry, it's been a long day.... and the "Electric Company" reruns may come back to PBS someday...

Sorry....you're going to have to explain that one.....

"talksalot" does not always mean "makessensealot"??

[talksalot]

oh, come on... It started as a comedic line on the PBS kids show "Electric Company"... whenever there was a mystery, or tune in next week... they always threw in that tag line...    Rowan and Martin's Laugh-in Spoofed it regularly... but you would have to be as old as I am to remember it.

Here's a sample:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlTmEeCnRp0

The entire "Love of Chair" sequence ... classics if you happen to have a 2-year-old running around...like I did those many years ago...

[talksalot]

I'm sorry I even brought it up.   

What about those Sycamore chances against Bradley tonight???

[oklahomamick]

Always gotta like your chances when going up against wardle.

[talksalot]

Starting Wednesday...the Valpo RPI... is #67   0.5684 

One game for the OOC OPP... and its Indiana State vs. Mr. Wardle... and Van Soyc scored 19 and the Sycs won it 56-54 scoring the last 5 points of the game.

and the Valpo RPI ...moves up to....  62    0.5689 climbed up 5 spots and 5/10,000ths of a point.

lots of things can happen on Thursday!   

[covufan]

oh, come on... It started as a comedic line on the PBS kids show "Electric Company"... whenever there was a mystery, or tune in next week... they always threw in that tag line...    Rowan and Martin's Laugh-in Spoofed it regularly... but you would have to be as old as I am to remember it.

I remember Electric Company and Laugh-In, but don't recall the Naomi line or the spoof.

[talksalot]

Thursday... not a particularly good (OK, bad) day for the opponent games...

Seattle 90 Chicago State 65
Montana 70 Southern Utah 55
Wichita State 80 Missouri State 62
Ducks up 9 at the half on the Bruins

HL Games
Wright 76 Milwaukee 65
Northern Kentucky 69 Green Bay 67
UIC 84 Youngstown State 81

Late games: 
Santa Clara at San Francisco
BYU at Pepperdine

Updated HL Standings and RPI

Valpo 10-2  --- #72
Green 9-4  1.5  #129
Oakla  8-4  2   #143
NorKy 7-5  3   #124
Wrigh 7-5  3   #130
U.I.C 6-6  4   #234
DetMe 4-8  6  #270
Young 4-9  6.5  #283
Milwk  4-9  6.5  #274
Cleve 3-10  7.5  #250

Nice to have the lead... but we have to go to Oakland, Wright State and Northern Ky...have to go at least 2-1 against 'em.

With several games to go... RPI 72   0.5647  down .0047

Good news, we moved to 11-0 against teams ranked 200+
Bad news, we had to play 11 teams ranked 200+
Worse news, we have to play 3 more teams ranked 200+

[talksalot]

SUtahU     344
Coppin     337
Ball St      213
Cgo St      294

The other 7 games are in the HL

(Oh, Indiana State is 199 and Missouri State is 189)

[oklahomamick]

When was the last time we finished 200 plus in rpi?  And how many times has that happened In the last 8 years? 

[talksalot]

Thursday... not a particularly good (OK, Really bad) day for the opponent games...
Last week, they all won.  Last night.. every one of our OOC OPP who played, LOST!

Seattle 90 Chicago State 65
Montana 70 Southern Utah 55
Wichita State 80 Missouri State 62
UCLA 82 Oregon 79
San Francisco 61 Santa Clara 58 - The Don's RPI is 93, Broncos RPI 133
Pepperdine 99 BYU 83 - the Wave's RPI is 223, BYU's RPI 111...


HL Games
Wright 76 Milwaukee 65
Northern Kentucky 69 Green Bay 67
UIC 84 Youngstown State 81

 
With several games to go... RPI 72   0.5647  down .0047

When the three west-coast games ended our Thursday with an RPI 73 0.5630 down another .0017

So... The sun came up... looking at Friday's Games: 

Ohio at Ball State 5:30CT start on CBS SportsNet
Dayton at Rhode Island - 6CT start  RPIs #32 at #35 on ESPN2
Oakland at Detroit Mercy - 6CT start on ESPN3

But the big game... Undefeated in conference Valpo High at Once-beaten in conference Crown Point.... for ostensibly the Duneland Conference title.

[covufan]

When was the last time we finished 200 plus in rpi?  And how many times has that happened In the last 8 years? 

Not sure what you're asking here.  When I read '200 plus', I think above/plus/better than.  By my research we have finished the season with a better than 200 RPI in 9 out of the last 10 seasons, not counting 2017.  The only season where we finished with a lower than 200 RPI rating was 2008-9, when we finished 9-22.

[valpolaw]

Rhode Island with the last second loss to Dayton. URI should've won but missed one too many free throws

[talksalot]

and Ball State dropped to OU 79-77... so the OOC OPP losing streak continues...

Oakland beat Detroit Mercy, with three players scoring 20 or more... Hayes and Dorsey-Walker with 23 each; Walker with another 20.  Grizz win their 4th straight.

and the Valpo RPI takes another hit...

#73   0.5619 down another .0011 without stepping foot on the court.

so, Saturday... a busy day across the nation...

Kentucky at Alabama - Noon (CT) on CBS
Drake at Indiana State - 1pm on ESPN3
Utah Valley at Chicago State - 2:00pm
Montana State at Southern Utah - 3:00pm
Bethune Cookman at Coppin State - 3:00pm
Santa Clara at Pacific 9:00pm
Oregon at USC 9:30pm
BYU at San Francisco 10pm

Cleveland State at UIC 3pm ESPN3
Green Bay at Wright State 6pm ESPN3
Milwaukee at Northern Kentucky 6pm ESPN3

Other things that go bump in the night...

South Carolina Upstate at North Florida 6:00pm ESPN3 - (Dallas Moore is 3 points behind Alec for Active Career Points leader)

Vanderbryce at Missouri on SECNetwork 2:30pm



Crown Point scored 4 points in the last 5 seconds of the game on two separate baskets to beat Valpo High 53-51... with a week to go, the DAC title is up for grabs.

[talksalot]

Opening Saturday ...#73   0.5619

The early results are in...a win, a loss and a push...

Kentucky 67 Alabama 58 - push
Indiana State 84 Drake 60 - Finally... an OOC opponent wins
Utah Valley 87 Chicago State 54

and the RPI keeps on its trend...   #74   0.5619  as of 4:20pm.. no points lost/gained, but we fell one spot in the rankings.