Game #23- Wisconsin Milwaukee Thursday February 2 7pm Panther Arena

[hailcrusaders]

A .031 BAC can't be more than about two beers for a man of his size. Two game suspension for two drinks seems hefty, but I guess a minor is a minor.

[78crusader]

Sorolla's decision was stupid and selfish.

It matters not that he is only 19, that the legal age where he grew up is 16 or whatever, that other kids drink, that his BAC was only .031, that players in Power 5 conferences get away with a lot worse, etc.

What matters is that his actions have further eroded a short bench and have increased the chances we will lose one, or both, of the two games he is likely to miss.

Peters and everybody else, including the AD and everyone involved with the men's basketball program, have busted their ass to make sure this is a special season –  and then this guy puts it all in jeopardy by doing the very thing he was no doubt warned about many, many times.

He has also placed Coach Lottich in a tough spot--suspend him now, against tough opponents on the road, or later, against two weaker opponents at home.

I never agreed with Drew's decision to hold up the suspension of Hammink or whoever it was until we played a couple of cupcakes.  I'll bet Coach Lottich takes the tougher route.

Paul

[a3uge]

Texting and driving is insanely more dangerous to oneself and others than drinking two beers at a party. He should be punished by the team accordingly - maybe run some laps in practice. Sitting a player two games for being a normal college student is completely assanine. He's already been punished enough for being ARRESTED three years after it was legal to drink in his home country. I don't see why the team has to punish him at all.

[wh]

The spread Valpo -10

[VUBBFan]

Rules are rules whether they're fair or unfair or stupid. They are still the rules. If you play a game with rules you have to obey them or face the consequences. If you don't want to follow the rules, don't play. I may not like it but there are a lot of things in life I don't like or agree on but I live with them anyways.

[a3uge]

Rules are rules whether they're fair or unfair or stupid. They are still the rules. If you play a game with rules you have to obey them or face the consequences. If you don't want to follow the rules, don't play. I may not like it but there are a lot of things in life I don't like or agree on but I live with them anyways.

Where's this rule coming from?

[VUBBFan]

Rules are rules whether they're fair or unfair or stupid. They are still the rules. If you play a game with rules you have to obey them or face the consequences. If you don't want to follow the rules, don't play. I may not like it but there are a lot of things in life I don't like or agree on but I live with them anyways.

Where's this rule coming from?

This would be from rules of conduct. Almost every sports team has a list of  "team rules" regarding what players are expected to do or act.

[valpopal]

He has also placed Coach Lottich in a tough spot--suspend him now, against tough opponents on the road, or later, against two weaker opponents at home.

I never agreed with Drew's decision to hold up the suspension of Hammink or whoever it was until we played a couple of cupcakes.  I'll bet Coach Lottich takes the tougher route.

Paul

Hold him out of the games in which the team still has the best chance of winning. Why punish the rest of the team?

[JPEven]

When I was at Vu they would go so far as to pull over the student escort van to breathalyze everyone

I was not one of these students, but what started happening was students stopped using a dial a-ride and walking home and made other safe choices like putting 12 people in a car and trying to figure out how to use a round-about for the first time while intoxicated....

[bbtds]

Way off topic.

Underage drinking is a crime. I understand that. But VUPDs lengthy tradition of full on arrests and transportation to Porter County Jail is a bit much. When I was at Vu they would go so far as to pull over the student escort van to breathalyze everyone. I personally witnessed two male students taken from their dorm room where they were drinking and arrested. Other schools will make offending students attend a couple of meetings and/or write a report.

Now it's possible (looks likely) that they were off campus partying and if you're being stupid doing that you have what's coming. I appreciate this will need to be addressed by the team in terms of a suspension, but it's hard to not be a little pissed when I think of how few Baylor football players were actually suspended over the past few years.

End of rant. (for now)

Also, Sorrola has been able to legally drink in his country for THREE YEARS. An arrest is assanine. An ARREST!

I'm not sure this is true. If the alleged is true, Jay knew the law and ignored the law. He is just as guilty as the other athletes/students caught consuming alcohol. Especially since in happened during the basketball season.

[bbtds]

Oh, and... wait for it.  Wait for it...

It might surely be tempting to delay any penalty until we've clinched the conference title!

Or after the return of Jubril...

There it is!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffCEr327W44
(start at 30 seconds)

[bbtds]

Here's a good word of advice to VU athletes: Don't attend an "underage drinking party," especially outside of campus.
Odds are not in your favor. Valpo cops will find you.
Throughout the years, the Tuesday Police Blotter in the Times regularly features a "Police bust xx at underage drinking party."
Wait until you're 21. And then, don't do anything stupid during the season. It's not worth the grief.

Is that Jankowski guy some old dude?   

[bbtds]

Here's another interesting question: What if this happened Saturday night?
He played Sunday.
Hmm.

Oh, great. The next thing that will happen is the university will ask the NCAA for clarification about whether he should have played Sunday, and hold him out until they get an answer. We may see J again sometime in December.

[zvillehaze]

Here's another interesting question: What if this happened Saturday night?
He played Sunday.
Hmm.

Oh, great. The next thing that will happen is the university will ask the NCAA for clarification about whether he should have played Sunday, and hold him out until they get an answer. We may see J again sometime in December.

[agibson]

I'll admit, I do sometimes miss the days when we had more active memers and jokesters!

[VUSWIM08-12]

The spread Valpo -10

I would bet we cover. We have done really well without Jubril and we'll be fine without  Jay(whenever that may be). Plus its not like the players would be mad at him. He is 19 years old, made a mistake, not a big deal. Even if we lose a game its not like we can get an at large bid(win out and lose in horizon league finals,maybe but still not likely), however if we do win the tournament, seeding would matter, but still it's just a game. I coach swimming at the DIII level and you have no idea how hard it is to keep everyone in line. VU Basketball is obviously on a different level but they are all the same age. You can tell 18-22 year olds to not do something a million times, but sometimes they just want to take a risk. I had a run in or two with VUPD, fortunately never missed a meet but lets all relax and just enjoy the game tonight!

[VULB#62]

I'll be going to both the pre-game event and the game.  Anyone else from the fan board going to either or both?

[covufan]

A .031 BAC can't be more than about two beers for a man of his size. Two game suspension for two drinks seems hefty, but I guess a minor is a minor.

According to this site, he may have had about 4 beers in a 2 hour period. 

http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/

[crusader05]

While everyone has opinions about the drinking laws and their enforcement it's good to remember that Jaume would not be getting in trouble because he had alcohol, he would be getting in trouble because he was arrested.

You can dislike the arrest or whatnot but drinking in season is often a large no-no for this exact reason. A two-game suspension isn't much and it might have consequences for the team but if it didn't it wouldn't be nearly as an effective deterrent if it didn't.

I also think it's good to reflect on how willing we are to bend the rules for our team, or to decry something as unfair and how that reflects on how we see athletes get away with even worse stuff. It's not equal, but the mentality, "It's not like they did X" or "It's not that big a deal" or "The process isn't fair" are all reasoning that can be pushed into other, more serious offenses.

A player we liked, on a team, we care about, did something stupid and is suffering the consequences for it. It could be much worse, we should be glad it's something like this and also remember that enforcing these lower rules is a good way to avoid bigger issues in the future.

[VU2624]

What's interesting is that Sorolla has taken more of a verbal beating in this thread than Honors Student and NCAA Student Leader designate Adekoya accused (per inside source) of handing in work not of his own writing across a number of threads.

[justducky]

While everyone has opinions about the drinking laws and their enforcement it's good to remember that Jaume would not be getting in trouble because he had alcohol, he would be getting in trouble because he was arrested.

Ehhhh- Maybe.

Bigger picture, these team training rules exist for a reason. Any of you ever try to compete in basketball with either a slight or a severe hangover? Trust me it is not easy. Ok- I was never caught but had I been I would have been gone and that would have cost my HS teammates a memorable post season run because we were already shorthanded. As it was I only cost the team one unnecessary loss.

Long story short--he needs to sit out what Matt deems to be appropriate. As I and others have said, our only path to the dance requires a championship at JLA. I am still thinking that Jubril returning could make us one of the best 13 seeds in history!

[wh]

What's interesting is that Sorolla has taken more of a verbal beating in this thread than Honors Student and NCAA Student Leader designate Adekoya accused (per inside source) of handing in work not of his own writing across a number of threads.

Apples and oranges. The attitude toward Jubril has changed dramatically over time. The overwhelming sentiment initially was disappointment and criticism. Only after disciplinary action has continued unabated from 1 game to 5, from 5 games to 10, and now 10 to what will soon be 15 (with no end in sight), has Jubril become a sympathetic figure. We are all blessed with an innate sense of fairness, which for many of us has exceeded its limit.

[VU2624]

What's interesting is that Sorolla has taken more of a verbal beating in this thread than Honors Student and NCAA Student Leader designate Adekoya accused (per inside source) of handing in work not of his own writing across a number of threads.

Apples and oranges. The attitude toward Jubril has changed dramatically over time. The overwhelming sentiment initially was disappointment and criticism. 

What happened was confusion as to what happened in the game threads with some fingerpointing at the HC and the NCAA to a thread dedicated to the situation with nearly 100% dedication to fingerpointing at everyone but Jubril. There were later and occasional comments about who the real culprit is but not the type of post put up by Crusader78 and a few others in this thread regarding Sorolla. That's not a criticism of what they did post just pointing out the difference in reaction to the two situations which I find a little strange.

[a3uge]

While everyone has opinions about the drinking laws and their enforcement it's good to remember that Jaume would not be getting in trouble because he had alcohol, he would be getting in trouble because he was arrested.

You can dislike the arrest or whatnot but drinking in season is often a large no-no for this exact reason. A two-game suspension isn't much and it might have consequences for the team but if it didn't it wouldn't be nearly as an effective deterrent if it didn't.

I also think it's good to reflect on how willing we are to bend the rules for our team, or to decry something as unfair and how that reflects on how we see athletes get away with even worse stuff. It's not equal, but the mentality, "It's not like they did X" or "It's not that big a deal" or "The process isn't fair" are all reasoning that can be pushed into other, more serious offenses.

A player we liked, on a team, we care about, did something stupid and is suffering the consequences for it. It could be much worse, we should be glad it's something like this and also remember that enforcing these lower rules is a good way to avoid bigger issues in the future.

But whose rule is it? 2 games is absurd for something so minor. Is there no distinction between being arrested for Valpo having some of the most bored cops in America vs being arrested for something that actually puts anyone in danger?

[VU2014]

So Jay is playing? 

I just tune in for the last 5 min of the 1st half. So I guess Coach is going to suspend him for a different couple games, possibly?