NCAA College Basketball Talk

[VUGrad1314]

Metro State (Colorado) rejects WAC invite

[VUGrad1314]

Otzelberger taking over at UNLV

[vu84v2]

Metro State (Colorado) rejects WAC invite

Definition of an extremely weak conference:

You get rejected by a school that is considering a move to D1.

On the subject of the WAC, this board talks a lot about a twelfth team if Belmont were to join. New Mexico State has many positives, with the only possible negatives being travel (need to fly to El Paso and drive 45 minutes) and consistent financial resources. But basketball and other programs seem at a solid level versus current MVC members.

[valpo95]

Perhaps some of you have seen this elsewhere, yet there is a nice article detailing about how much each team has contributed in terms of NCAA tournament payoff units. The short version is that the team makes one unit for making the tournament, plus one unit for each win up to the final four. The units pay off over the next six years to the conference.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sports/March-Madness-NCAA-Payouts-AP-Analysis-507672241.html

One can contrast the payoffs contributed by VU with other schools. For example, VU making the tournament (and the Sweet 16 wins) added quite a bit to the conference payoff. The payoff for Butler was even higher, or the payoff for Youngstown State was zero.

As pointed out by the article, the payoff to the P5/6 conferences has increased over time. 

[JD24]

Nate Oats of Buffalo is taking the Alabama Coaching job not John Brannen.

[VUGrad1314]

The Missouri Valley Conference will collect $1.4 million in April and at least $8.45 million total from what Loyola University Chicago earned during its stunning run with Sister Jean to the 2018 Final Four. The conference is still cashing in from Wichita State's Final Four in 2013 as well as Creighton's recent NCAA appearances. Wichita State (American Athletic Conference) and Creighton (Big East) have both left the Missouri Valley, ripple effects from Power Five expansion. Elgin provided AP with MVC financial projections that show annual unit revenue falling from nearly $7.2 million in 2019 to $2.6 million in 2025.

The MVC hopes to cushion some of that fall through NCAA changes that will redirect a small percentage of money toward academic targets.

Conferences such as the Atlantic 10, Conference USA and the Mountain West could be in a similar situation. They regularly sent multiple teams to the tournament, recently their bids have dwindled and soon, so will their payouts.


And the MVC refused to add Murray State why again?

Full article here: https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2019/03/26/money-madness-ap-analysis-shows-growing-gap-in-ncaa-payouts/

[valpopal]

The National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame named its new class of inductees, which includes Coach Homer Drew: congrats! 


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[Just Sayin]

Who is the winningest school? Who has been the bridesmaid the most?
Stats don't lie! The major programs certainly fill out the top schools when it comes to championship games, and none more than Duke. Five titles and four runners-up results are the most number of championship games by far. UNC and the Huskies round out the top three titles with four apiece, while Michigan are the biggest bridesmaid.

Jason Zivkovic

[IrishDawg]

This didn't take long.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26889595/sun-belt-scraps-pod-plan-revamp-scheduling

[IrishDawg]

3 point line moving back: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26905011/ncaa-moving-3-point-line-back-next-season

[VU2014]

https://twitter.com/mid_madness/status/1138090101291061248?s=21

[M]

I, i, I just can't feel bad for the guy.

[valpo64]

Agree..."The King" lost his court

[bigmosmithfan1]

Whether you have sympathy for him or not, he's not wrong about how this transfer portal has strayed well away from what it was intended to be, and how it essentially enables schools to illegally recruit other team's players during the season.

[vu72]

Enjoyed listening to Kampe.  It really is a very different world versus just a few years ago.  The idea that players are being recruited during the season is just amazing and certainly goes for our guys as well. He said that he no longer will redshirt players.  This makes sense as does not bringing kids for classes during the summer.  Back in the day it took four years to graduate and if a kid insists on taking summer classes then the handwriting is clearly on the wall.

Verbal Commits now has the total transfers in D1 at 894 and probably will top 900 for the first time ever.  Something has to change but probably won't.  It is the "me first" generation.

[IrishDawg]

Enjoyed listening to Kampe.  It really is a very different world versus just a few years ago.  The idea that players are being recruited during the season is just amazing and certainly goes for our guys as well. He said that he no longer will redshirt players.  This makes sense as does not bringing kids for classes during the summer.  Back in the day it took four years to graduate and if a kid insists on taking summer classes then the handwriting is clearly on the wall.

Verbal Commits now has the total transfers in D1 at 894 and probably will top 900 for the first time ever.  Something has to change but probably won't.  It is the "me first" generation.

I don't think it's a "me first" generation as much as kids trying to maximize their college experience, whatever that means to them. Agree somewhat that a lack of patience is part of the problem, but Valpo's done well in the transfer market, and has 3 guys who will likely play significant roles next season who transferred in.

The in-season recruiting happens at all levels too, but obviously it hurts mid-majors more because they don't have the depth of talent or resources, but because it's all done via back channels (telling high school or AAU coaches there would be a spot for them that they then pass on to the player), it's extremely hard to crack down on.

[VU2014]

I understand we want kids to have freedom to transfer but it's borderline rediculous how many transfers there are and the level of cheating/poaching has become. The NCAA granting instant eligibility waivers now makes it even more of a clown show.

[VU2014]

Future Oakland recruit

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1141015890680569856?s=21

[bigmosmithfan1]

He said that he no longer will redshirt players.  This makes sense as does not bringing kids for classes during the summer.

I've said it on here before and I'll say it again: with this new transfer portal, any midmajor coach who redshirts a kid for any reason other than injury or academic eligibility issues is out of their mind.

[VUGrad1314]

UMKC back to the Summit League. Good move for them. Balancing out Augustana? What happens to Chicago State? Also what does this mean for the WAC? I know they have Dixie State coming in but they'll need to balance somehow. I'm surprised Denver doesn't go to the WAC. I feel like it makes more sense for them than the Summit.   

https://twitter.com/RCFOX4KC/status/1141878517422002182

[valpotx]

No one in their right mind wants to go the WAC, except as a necessity to have a conference.  UMKC was moronic for making that move.  Chicago State had no other options.  Denver will not move to the WAC, as the Summit has rounded into a nice league overall, and a somewhat stable geography for them.

[Just Sayin]

End-of-Season and Tourney Win% (Highest to Lowest)  for all 353 teams, 2018-2019 Season per Sports-Reference:

School            W-L% Virginia NCAA   0.921 Gonzaga NCAA   0.892 Houston NCAA   0.892 Buffalo NCAA   0.889 New Mexico State NCAA   0.857 Wofford NCAA   0.857 Nevada NCAA   0.853 Murray State NCAA   0.848 Duke NCAA   0.842 UC-Irvine NCAA   0.838 Tennessee NCAA   0.838 Michigan State NCAA   0.821 Belmont NCAA   0.818 Texas Tech NCAA   0.816 Kentucky NCAA   0.811 Michigan NCAA   0.811 Liberty NCAA   0.806 North Carolina-Greensboro   0.806 North Carolina NCAA   0.806 Cincinnati NCAA   0.800 Louisiana State NCAA   0.800 Utah State NCAA   0.800 Abilene Christian NCAA   0.794 Vermont NCAA   0.794 Florida State NCAA   0.784 Lipscomb   0.784 Hofstra   0.771 Furman   0.758 Toledo   0.758 Virginia Commonwealth NCAA   0.758 Auburn NCAA   0.750 Washington NCAA   0.750 Montana NCAA   0.743 Northern Kentucky NCAA   0.743 Old Dominion NCAA   0.743 Virginia Tech NCAA   0.743 Kansas State NCAA   0.735 Yale NCAA   0.733 Central Florida NCAA   0.727 College of Charleston   0.727 Jacksonville State   0.727 South Dakota State   0.727 Stony Brook   0.727 Kansas NCAA   0.722 Purdue NCAA   0.722 Villanova NCAA   0.722 Fresno State   0.719 Utah Valley   0.714 Davidson   0.706 Drake   0.706 East Tennessee State   0.706 Georgia State NCAA   0.706 Marquette NCAA   0.706 Texas State   0.706 Temple NCAA   0.697 UC-Santa Barbara   0.688 Colgate NCAA   0.686 San Francisco   0.677 Arizona State NCAA   0.676 Maryland NCAA   0.676 Mississippi State NCAA   0.676 Northeastern NCAA   0.676 Wisconsin NCAA   0.676 Austin Peay   0.667 Kent State   0.667 North Carolina State   0.667 Radford   0.667 Oregon NCAA   0.658 Central Michigan   0.657 Gardner-Webb NCAA   0.657 Iowa State NCAA   0.657 Iowa NCAA   0.657 Omaha   0.656 Northern Colorado   0.656 Bowling Green State   0.647 Loyola Marymount   0.647 Saint Mary's (CA) NCAA   0.647 Lehigh   0.645 Colorado   0.639 Saint Louis NCAA   0.639 Bucknell   0.636 Dayton   0.636 Georgia Southern   0.636 North Texas   0.636 Sam Houston State   0.636 South Florida   0.632 Texas Southern   0.632 NJIT   0.629 Prairie View NCAA   0.629 Brown   0.625 Marshall   0.622 Texas Christian   0.622 Maryland-Baltimore County   0.618 San Diego State   0.618 St. John's (NY) NCAA   0.618 Harvard   0.613 Pennsylvania   0.613 Memphis   0.611 Minnesota NCAA   0.611 Norfolk State   0.611 Campbell   0.606 Lamar   0.606 Louisiana Tech   0.606 Mississippi NCAA   0.606 Southern Mississippi   0.606 Fairleigh Dickinson NCAA   0.600 Winthrop   0.600 Wright State   0.600 Wichita State   0.595 Brigham Young   0.594 Duquesne   0.594 Louisiana   0.594 North Carolina A&T   0.594 Baylor NCAA   0.588 Clemson   0.588 Florida International   0.588 Grand Canyon   0.588 Louisville NCAA   0.588 Loyola (IL)   0.588 Oklahoma NCAA   0.588 Seton Hall NCAA   0.588 Syracuse NCAA   0.588 Western Kentucky   0.588 San Diego   0.583 Hawaii   0.581 Oregon State   0.581 Georgetown   0.576 New Orleans   0.576 Alabama-Birmingham   0.571 Bradley NCAA   0.571 Creighton   0.571 Ohio State NCAA   0.571 Princeton   0.571 Texas   0.568 Tulsa   0.563 Florida NCAA   0.556 Presbyterian   0.556 Green Bay   0.553 Nevada-Las Vegas   0.548 Utah   0.548 George Mason   0.545 Hartford   0.545 Purdue-Fort Wayne   0.545 Rhode Island   0.545 Saint Francis (PA)   0.545 Seattle   0.545 Weber State   0.545 Indiana   0.543 Louisiana-Monroe   0.543 North Dakota State NCAA   0.543 Xavier   0.543 Texas-Rio Grande Valley   0.541 Arizona   0.531 Southern Illinois   0.531 Texas-San Antonio   0.531 Alabama   0.529 Arkansas   0.529 Cal State Bakersfield   0.529 Charleston Southern   0.529 North Carolina Central NCAA   0.529 Providence   0.529 St. Bonaventure   0.529 DePaul   0.528 Nebraska   0.528 California Baptist   0.516 High Point   0.516 Quinnipiac   0.516 Rider   0.516 Santa Clara   0.516 Akron   0.515 Delaware   0.515 Florida Atlantic   0.515 Illinois State   0.515 Iona NCAA   0.515 Samford   0.515 Siena   0.515 Southeastern Louisiana   0.515 St. Francis (NY)   0.515 Texas-Arlington   0.515 UCLA   0.515 Hampton   0.514 Robert Morris   0.514 American   0.500 Coastal Carolina   0.500 Grambling   0.500 Howard   0.500 Illinois-Chicago   0.500 Long Island University   0.500 Missouri State   0.500 Northern Illinois   0.500 Portland State   0.500 South Alabama   0.500 South Carolina   0.500 Southern Utah   0.500 Ball State   0.485 Butler   0.485 Connecticut   0.485 Holy Cross   0.485 IUPUI   0.485 North Florida   0.485 Oakland   0.485 Southern California   0.485 Cornell   0.484 Indiana State   0.484 Sacramento State   0.484 Stanford   0.484 Cal State Fullerton   0.471 Eastern Washington   0.471 Longwood   0.471 Northern Iowa   0.471 Pepperdine   0.471 Canisius   0.469 Eastern Michigan   0.469 Massachusetts-Lowell   0.469 Miami (OH)   0.469 Missouri   0.469 Montana State   0.469 Sacred Heart   0.469 Southern Methodist   0.469 Stephen F. Austin   0.467 Boston University   0.455 Valparaiso   0.455 Bethune-Cookman   0.452 Boston College   0.452 Nicholls State   0.452 Ohio   0.452 Rutgers   0.452 William & Mary   0.452 Long Beach State   0.441 Air Force   0.438 Eastern Illinois   0.438 Florida Gulf Coast   0.438 Georgia Tech   0.438 Miami (FL)   0.438 New Mexico   0.438 Pacific   0.438 Penn State   0.438 Texas A&M-Corpus Christi   0.438 Texas A&M   0.438 South Dakota   0.433 Wagner   0.433 Central Arkansas   0.424 James Madison   0.424 Notre Dame   0.424 Pittsburgh   0.424 Saint Joseph's   0.424 Eastern Kentucky   0.419 West Virginia   0.417 Arkansas-Pine Bluff   0.406 Arkansas State   0.406 Army   0.406 Drexel   0.406 Jackson State   0.406 Niagara   0.406 Northwestern   0.406 Rice   0.406 Citadel   0.400 Houston Baptist   0.400 Monmouth   0.400 North Dakota   0.400 Troy   0.400 Boise State   0.394 Morehead State   0.394 Richmond   0.394 Alabama State   0.387 Florida A&M   0.387 Marist   0.387 Navy   0.387 Tennessee-Martin   0.387 Cal State Northridge   0.382 Albany (NY)   0.375 Chattanooga   0.375 Colorado State   0.375 Fordham   0.375 Jacksonville   0.375 Oklahoma State   0.375 Youngstown State   0.375 Dartmouth   0.367 Idaho State   0.367 Illinois   0.364 Columbia   0.357 UC-Davis   0.355 Central Connecticut State   0.355 Detroit Mercy   0.355 Mercer   0.355 Northwestern State   0.355 Savannah State   0.355 Wake Forest   0.355 Appalachian State   0.344 Elon   0.344 Evansville   0.344 Georgia   0.344 Loyola (MD)   0.344 Manhattan   0.344 Massachusetts   0.344 Middle Tennessee   0.344 Missouri-Kansas City   0.344 Oral Roberts   0.344 VMI   0.344 Washington State   0.344 Bryant   0.333 Lafayette   0.333 Alcorn State   0.323 Little Rock   0.323 Cleveland State   0.323 East Carolina   0.323 La Salle   0.323 Northern Arizona   0.323 Southeast Missouri State   0.323 SIU Edwardsville   0.323 Western Illinois   0.323 North Alabama   0.313 Saint Peter's   0.313 Towson   0.313 Binghamton   0.303 UC-Riverside   0.303 North Carolina-Wilmington   0.303 Morgan State   0.300 Tennessee State   0.300 Fairfield   0.290 McNeese State   0.290 Milwaukee   0.290 Mount St. Mary's   0.290 Vanderbilt   0.281 Charlotte   0.276 Texas-El Paso   0.276 George Washington   0.273 Denver   0.267 University of California   0.258 Tennessee Tech   0.258 Western Michigan   0.250 Wyoming   0.250 Coppin State   0.242 South Carolina State   0.235 Stetson   0.226 Maryland-Eastern Shore   0.219 Portland   0.219 Southern   0.219 Western Carolina   0.219 Cal Poly   0.207 Delaware State   0.194 Incarnate Word   0.194 Kennesaw State   0.188 Mississippi Valley State   0.188 South Carolina Upstate   0.188 New Hampshire   0.172 Alabama A&M   0.156 Idaho   0.156 Maine   0.156 North Carolina-Asheville   0.129 San Jose State   0.129 Tulane   0.129 Chicago State   0.094

[VUGrad1314]

SERIOUS UCONN to BE smoke:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-878013.html

http://www.digitalsportsdesk.com/ncaa-basketball/big-east/uconn-to-return-to-big-east/

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1142444127088455680?s=21

https://twitter.com/ManthonyCourant/status/1142437482996346880

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1142444801025085440

https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-sp-uconn-big-east-conference-aac-20190622-20190622-qgewcp6jhvd5fd4lenxr5vnncm-story.html

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-u-conn-move-to-the-big-east-inevitable-151200471.html

Denials abound but if stuff like this reaches such high levels and there are votes that are going to happen this looks like a fait accompli. My guess? AAC adds Army\VCU or ODU A10 adds somebody like ODU or maybe Vermont and the CAA\AE add somebody out east. Not sure if this impacts or informs other moves in other regions but the chess pieces will move on the Eastern Seaboard\Atlantic region. Perhaps this closes the door on the BE for Dayton and SLU and makes the MVC a player? The loss of VCU would severely weaken the A-10  and if the AAC takes ODU, which would be the A10's top alternative to VCU I bet, then maybe the western members start to rethink their conference positions. Remember adding UCONN would allow the BE an 11 team 20 game double round robin further hindering scheduling for mids. 

[VUGrad1314]

Oh God... This thought just entered my head... If the steps are

UCONN (BE)

ARMY (FB) VCU (Olympic) AAC

Watch Loyola for the A10

[FieldGoodie05]

Oh God... This thought just entered my head... If the steps are

UCONN (BE)

ARMY (FB) VCU (Olympic) AAC

Watch Loyola for the A10

Why does the loss of Loyola make you say "Oh God"?  Not for nothing, but they made the NCAA tournament one time in more than 30-years....

I'll grant you their 2018 success but it's not yet sustained.  I think the far more difficult job of sustained success has yet to be accomplished.  Valpo received a ton of national exposure after their Sweet 16 but the hardest work came in the following 20-years.

I have a hard time believing that 1999 Valpo MBB was going to get a shot at the MVC because of a few good years.  So why does Loyola get the opportunity after only two winning seasons?  Certainly these are only my opinions, by "Oh God" seems like you dread the day?  Why this level of concern, even if Loyola gets lucky?