NCAA College Basketball Talk

[valpolaw]

I don't think Matt will be going anywhere soon. He had to deal with adversity fairly frequently this year but a lot still remains to be seen on Matt. The next 2-4 years will be crucial for him. Does he continue winning the horizon or do we fall to the middle of the pack?

[Valpo13]

2016-2017 Vanderbilt Resume
19-15
RPI:         38
Non-Conf SOS:   1
Vs. TOP 25:   4-4
Vs. TOP 50:   6-8
Vs. TOP 100:   11-14
Vs. TOP 150:   15-14
Vs. SUB 150:   4-1

2015-2016 Valpo Resume
24-6
RPI:         49
Non-Conf SOS:   59
Vs. TOP 25:   0-1
Vs. TOP 50:   1-1
Vs. TOP 100:   4-2
Vs. TOP 150:   9-5
Vs. SUB 150:   15-1

I saw some people comparing the two resumes on twitter so figured I would leave this here for discussion.

[VU2014]

One of the best and most concise arguments I've seen from a coach ripping the selection committee and the NCAA. Calls them out for screwing smaller schools for the sake of $$ and matchups.

https://twitter.com/FOX19Jeremy/status/837037872721063939

[VU2014]

Illinois State coach Dan Muller is absolutely ripping the NCAA and Power Conference schools in the media.

https://twitter.com/DanMuller/status/841273731880218624
https://twitter.com/Kaleb_M_Carter/status/841162647450066944
https://twitter.com/WJBCRedbirds/status/841099662778105857
https://twitter.com/WJBCRedbirds/status/841102725593124864
https://twitter.com/WJBCRedbirds/status/841288946734772224

[bbtds]

Dan Dakich is also good - he has some good stories during the Northwestern-Rutgers blowout on 80's basketball that was fun to listen to.

You no longer exist to me.

[bbtds]

Put an official's shirt on Dan D also...then there would not be any mistakes by a ref because he knows it all/just ask him...if he knows so much like he thinks he does he would not have  lost his BGU job, or he would be on a staff somewhere.  I have heard that his son was a real jerk(like his Dad)/that's why he was a walk-on at Uof M.  Dan's radio show in Indy has been controversial also.  He has had to "take back" a number of his comments about people and situations... which is about par for the course for a person who knows it all.

You are my hero!

Dakich Dumbass is the biggest jerk in the world. No questions asked!!

[valpo64]

Amen, brother!

[VU2014]

Coach Cuonzo Martin just left the Cal job for Mizzou. Potential Valpo impact on recruiting. While Cuonzo was at Cal he offered to Walter Ellis (South Bend) who we are also recruiting.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/walter-ellis
https://twitter.com/iamwalterellis

If I was a parent I wouldn't want my kid playing for him. Switches jobs with a gust of wind. No loyalty in a profession already is un-loyal. Its a bad look.

https://twitter.com/si_ncaabb/status/842105072729391112
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/842105910331899911

[covufan]

Coach Cuonzo Martin just left the Cal job for Mizzou. Potential Valpo impact on recruiting. While Cuonzo was at Cal he offered to Walter Ellis (South Bend) who we are also recruiting.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/walter-ellis
https://twitter.com/iamwalterellis

If I was a parent I wouldn't want my kid playing for him. Switches jobs with a gust of wind. No loyalty in a profession already is un-loyal. Its a bad look.

https://twitter.com/si_ncaabb/status/842105072729391112
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/842105910331899911

While it looks like he moves around too much, take a look at each move.  From three years at Missouri State to Tennessee?  No brainer, every coach makes that move.  From Tennessee to Cal?  According to many, the situation for Martin at UT was toxic:

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/new-faces-new-places-cuonzo-martin-knew-it-was-time-to-leave-vols/

Seems like a reasonable move given the circumstances.  From Cal to Missouri - a chance to come near home.  I think many would also make that move.  Will he move again in three years?  Who knows.  My guess would be only for Purdue or the NBA.  If it were my son, I'd at least listen to Cuonzo and maybe ask a question or two to see how he handles the questions - salesman or honest man. 

[covufan]

Illinois State coach Dan Muller is absolutely ripping the NCAA and Power Conference schools in the media.

https://twitter.com/DanMuller/status/841273731880218624
https://twitter.com/Kaleb_M_Carter/status/841162647450066944
https://twitter.com/WJBCRedbirds/status/841099662778105857
https://twitter.com/WJBCRedbirds/status/841102725593124864
https://twitter.com/WJBCRedbirds/status/841288946734772224

I agree with Muller - Wichita St deserved a 5/6 seed, not a 10 seed.  I also thought that Illinois St deserved a bid over Providence. 

[valpo64]

Crean fired at IU,  names mentioned in IU circles include Billy  Donovan, Greg Marshall, T. Bennett,  Miller from Dayton,  Steve Alford, Bryce Drew and Greg Tonegel

[valpo64]

Some close to the IU program say they have already met with Donovan twice regarding the job

[VU2624]

IU waits until NCAA tip off to make the announcement. LOL! What a crew.

[vu72]

IU waits until NCAA tip off to make the announcement. LOL! What a crew.

When IU didn't make the tourney and then lost in the 1st round of the NIT, you knew he was doomed and should have been a couple of years ago.

[VU2014]

Crean fired at IU,  names mentioned in IU circles include Billy  Donovan, Greg Marshall, T. Bennett,  Miller from Dayton,  Steve Alford, Bryce Drew and Greg Tonegel

-Billy Donovan isn't leaving an NBA job where he doesn't have to recruit or deal with all the boosters bs, unless he's sick of not being contender and realizes he's never going to win an NBA Title with just Russ while we are in the Era of SuperTeams. IU would have to PAY. He's making $3.7M a yr so probably cost them $5M per

-Greg Marshall has been offered $4M to take jobs like UCLA, Texas and others but turned them down. He makes $3.3M at Wichita State right now. It would take more then $4M likely. Greg Marshall is a great coach but his personality is very abrasive and salty and not media friendly, so he may hate the IU media.

-T. Bennett is a real possibility. Apparently University of Illinois is waiting for Virginia to get knocked out the Tourney to drop a near $5M per year offer on him. So there will be a bidding war if he wants to leave.

-Archie Miller is strange. He's apparently turned down quite a few bigger jobs already and he "only" makes $600k. Its fairly well known he wants the OSU job when Thad Matta decides to retire (could be another few years)

-Steve Alford I guess is possible. He may just use IU to get a pay raise from UCLA. I don't think he's a particularly great in game coach. Pretty good recruiter though. I would take the IU job just to get away from Lavar Ball... He has 2 more sons committed to UCLA.

-Bryce Drew: It is so weird to me how much attention he is getting now as opposed to when he was with us. He did a great job with us but now that he's had some success at a larger school NOW people are now taking more notice. He'd be a great get for IU. I hope he doesn't take the job because I don't like IU and I think their fans are obnoxious. Sounds will likely get a bonus because other schools will come calling about him.

-Greg Tonagel? Love Greg (because he's an Valpo Alum) but lets not kid ourselves.

[VU2014]

Vandy lost to Northwestern. Close game. Prepare yourself for the media "love-fest" for Northwestern the next couple days...

[VU2624]

Vandy lost to Northwestern. Close game. Prepare yourself for the media "love-fest" for Northwestern the next couple days...

Appropriate in my view.

[usc4valpo]

I think Alford has a good thing going at UCLA and will not return to Indiana.

[VU2014]

Appropriate in my view.

Yeah probably, but it gets annoying sometimes. It's a little annoying how much local coverage that get because many of the major media players went to Northwestern's medill school of journalism. It's a good story but I've disliked NU for a few years now.

Back when I was in High School a couple of my buddies and I went to see Butler play Northwestern at Welsh-Ryan Arena, and the Northwestern students were some of the most smug SOBs I've ever met. A lot of looking down of other people's schools because Northwestern has great academics. But during the game the Northwestern student were chanting, "You are going to work for us", towards the Butler traveling fans. Left a really bitter taste in my mouth. Never liked Northwestern ever since... Keep in mind this was the year Butler went to the NCAA Title Game the first time and nobody really knew how good they were. Butler killed them that game.

[usc4valpo]

I have to say it - Chris Collins out coached Bryce Drew today - mistakes like this occur when timeouts are not available

[RS]

NCAA FACTS: someone may already have mentioned this but what does Texas Southern  , Florida State and St. Marys have in common?  All Ncaa entries this year that last year came to VU and lost in the NIT. 

[FieldGoodie05]

NCAA FACTS: someone may already have mentioned this but what does Texas Southern  , Florida State and St. Marys have in common?  All Ncaa entries this year that last year came to VU and lost in the NIT.

Is your point that they handled their business?  Last year is 1,000 years ago.

[FieldGoodie05]

Should we consider leaving a scholarship open for next year?  Earlier someone mentioned how we missed out on Mr Australia to Boise State, reportedly for lack of a spring scholarship open.

I've been looking at P6 depth charts and it appears 1 or 2 open spots is pretty common.  The walk ons become very important at that point for practices.  But this NCAA transfer world is not going away anytime soon it would appear.  The graduate transfer market is sizable these days as well.  This is less dependent on mid season availability though.

[WiscoCrusader]

I'm really surprised to see the complete lack of conversation about the most awkwardly failed play in NCAA tournament history since Chris Webber's ill advised timeout. 

Questions:

- Did Bryce yell for an intentional foul?  I was listening to the radio broadcast and the announcers insisted that Bryce was calling for a foul.
- Why did Bryce not have any timeouts left?
- Will Bryce return to Valpo after he is fired in a few weeks?
- Do we want him back?

All valid questions!

[FieldGoodie05]

I'm really surprised to see the complete lack of conversation about the most awkwardly failed play in NCAA tournament history since Chris Webber's ill advised timeout. 

Questions:

- Did Bryce yell for an intentional foul?  I was listening to the radio broadcast and the announcers insisted that Bryce was calling for a foul.
- Why did Bryce not have any timeouts left?
- Will Bryce return to Valpo after he is fired in a few weeks?
- Do we want him back?

All valid questions!

Players say different

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18927229/2017-ncaa-tournament-matthew-fisher-davis-vanderbilt-commodores-foul-dumb-mistake