NCAA College Basketball Talk

[VUGrad1314]

This is sad and very underhanded if it happens. If it does I hope Seattle U will end up where it belongs in the West Coast Conference (even though I know they don't have a chance of getting there while Gonzaga is still there. I wonder if maybe the Big Sky would be an option for them if they should lose a member, though that would take a move by another conference (say Murray State to MVC Western Illinois to OVC Northern Colorado to Summit) to open up room for the Redhawks. Which means there isn't likely to be movement on that front in the immediate future. I hope the WAC just finds its 14th and doesn't go around pushing out members that helped keep it afloat when it needed support. That's a really bad look.

https://andywittry.substack.com/p/could-the-wac-which-officially-adds

[VUGrad1314]

Very interesting article on Bellarmine's ambitions. It'll be very interesting to see where they end up in 10-20 years.

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mark-story/article252539153.html


Additionally I saw some message board speculation (I think the original source is a current or former beat writer for North Alabama) saying that Austin Peay and West Florida will be added to the Atlantic Sun within the next year. If that's true I have to wonder how that affects the other OVC schools. Might Belmont take another look at its conference affiliation if APSU bolts? If so would the MVC be ready to make a move? Would the SoCon open up its doors to the Bruins? The plot thickens. I think if Belmont is ready to make a move and is interested in the MVC the MVC has to do it (and take Murray State alongside them). It would do a lot to add depth to this conference a new market in Nashville and a huge passionate fanbase in Murray State. Moreover, Belmont's women's team is pretty darn good too. Interestingly, D1360 (a YouTube channel) thinks that Murray State and Belmont to the MVC is a real possibility if APSU does indeed move to the Atlantic Sun (which he also predicts).

Here's the speculation on the UNA board RE: APSU and West Florida:

https://unapride.proboards.com/thread/1258/asun-football?page=5

And the D1360 video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voi1a7FfK4Q&t=11s

Other predictions in the video: Virginia State to the MEAC

West Texas A&M to the WAC

Western Illinois to OVC

Southern Indiana to OVC ( This isn't stated in the video but I think the OVC would have to tweak its bylaws to make that happen. I don't think they take D2 callups. I do think USI could eventually be a target for the Atlantic Sun if they really are still considering the idea of eventually splitting into two (football and non football conferences).

[VUGrad1314]

File this one under K for KABOOM if it happens

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/Texas-Oklahoma-reach-out-to-SEC-about-joining-16330080.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

You had to think with NIL happening Texas and Oklahoma would scramble to the SEC or the Big 10 for the bigger payout to better accommodate the change in the college sports climate

[cornonthe]

File this one under K for KABOOM if it happens

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/Texas-Oklahoma-reach-out-to-SEC-about-joining-16330080.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

You had to think with NIL happening Texas and Oklahoma would scramble to the SEC or the Big 10 for the bigger payout to better accommodate the change in the college sports climate

Interesting to talk about, the potential for mass movement, but there is a lot to happen before this may happen. First, and the most difficult issue to resolve, by the legislature's of both states, Texas is married to Texas Tech and Oklahoma is married to Oklahoma State!!! Yes, this is a thing that has existed since Texas A&M left for the SEC.
The other issue is Texas A&M not wanting Texas and/or Texas Tech in the SEC!!! They will do whatever they need to do to keep the themselves as the only Texas team in the SEC. There may be teams that side with them on the issue too. Georgia, Alabama and Kentucky are the most likely. Anyway, all I'm saying is that this is far from a done deal, but it's fun to talk about. I think the most interesting thing about this is the conversation on where the other teams from the Big 12 go if they break up over this!!!

[valpotx]

There is no way in hell that UT and/or OU would join the Big Ten.  Absolutely no f'ing way.  The SEC?  Yes, that is possible.  As far as OU being tied to OkSt and UT to TTU?  No way.  OU and UT flirted with the Pac-10 several years back, and that would have been without the other schools.  OkSt and TTU are looked at as the little step-brothers that you tolerate, but don't need to see all of the time.

[VUGrad1314]

Father Harry retweeted this article and asked whether Chicago State could be headed to the OVC. Maybe he knows something. If so good for them. That's a great geographic and competitive fit for them... As long as it also means Murray State is gone to the MVC!

https://chicagodefender.com/chicago-states-next-athletic-conference-still-undetermined/

[vu72]

There is no way in hell that UT and/or OU would join the Big Ten

That may be true, probably is tx, but, the BIG is a really powerful conference with five of the top 10 teams in the latest Coaches poll coming from the BIG.  In basketball the BIG was second only to the Big 12 but that was only because of Baylor.

[VUGrad1314]

There is no way in hell that UT and/or OU would join the Big Ten

That may be true, probably is tx, but, the BIG is a really powerful conference with five of the top 10 teams in the latest Coaches poll coming from the BIG.  In basketball the BIG was second only to the Big 12 but that was only because of Baylor.

Totally moot point anyway because they're going to the SEC. Looks like the rest of the P5 has chosen to do nothing in response for now but the Big 10 could make a move at a later date. I have to believe that Kansas basketball would be attractive if they could stomach the football. Maybe as a combo with Missouri if Missouri would leave the SEC (unlikely on its face but also because I think the Big 10 is going to hold out for Notre Dame who they won't be able to get until the 2030s anyway) If Missouri were to leave the SEC I would guess they would go after Oklahoma State to get the Bedlam game under the SEC banner. Then the Big XII responds by adding Memphis and Boise State which is rumored anyway and possibly some schools from a pool of candidates like USF SMU Colorado State Air Force San Diego State. The Big XII might actually need to expand even further under this scenario because it opens up the chance that the PAC 12 would try to get into Texas potentially (there was some rumor of TCU and Houston going there before) and the ACC could possibly target Cincinnati and WVU. This is all speculation but a lot could be touched off again if and when the Big 10 decides to make a move as is the case when any P5 conference realigns.

[valpotx]

Texas and Oklahoma would never join a Midwest conference.  Regardless of your points on being in the top 10 currently, the Big Ten is looked down on in TX

[valpotx]

Father Harry retweeted this article and asked whether Chicago State could be headed to the OVC. Maybe he knows something. If so good for them. That's a great geographic and competitive fit for them... As long as it also means Murray State is gone to the MVC!

https://chicagodefender.com/chicago-states-next-athletic-conference-still-undetermined/

Chicago State is delusional if they think that they would get an MVC invite at any point in the near future (20+ years).

[VUGrad1314]

Father Harry retweeted this article and asked whether Chicago State could be headed to the OVC. Maybe he knows something. If so good for them. That's a great geographic and competitive fit for them... As long as it also means Murray State is gone to the MVC! https://chicagodefender.com/chicago-states-next-athletic-conference-still-undetermined/

Chicago State is delusional if they think that they would get an MVC invite at any point in the near future (20+ years).

Sorry if the wording in my post is confusing. It wouldn't be an MVC invite it would be an OVC invite which at this point I think they could get. Speaking of the OVC... Here's an article giving SEMO's (SE Missouri's) perspective on the conference landscape.


https://www.semoball.com/story/2908529.html


While I don't disagree with the premise of the article I must ask where with all due respect would they be able to go. The only OVC schools I see that have a legitimate chance of finding a life raft are Murray State (if the issues holding up their move to the MVC whatever they may be can be resolved) and Tennessee State (if they prefer to go to the SWAC) MAYBE Morehead State and SIUE could get into the HL if they are delusional enough to think that whatever meager presence SIUE would bring of the St Louis market would be worthwhile and if they think Morehead State is a strong enough brand to justify adding a somewhat far flung school that is not a great institutional fit but I see those latter two possibilities as pretty unlikely.)


SIUE for its part remains committed to the OVC. Translation: The HL thing probably isn't happening as their brand is too weak and they aren't interested.

https://www.theintelligencer.com/sports/article/Despite-league-departures-SIUE-committed-to-OVC-16493708.php

[VUGrad1314]

The AAC's decision is going to be a good litmus test for whether markets and academic\institutional concerns or performance should matter more. The AAC has chosen a market\academic oriented approach. As this video states performance played very little role in the conference's decisions. I still think for a league like the MVC performance should drive the bus but the AAC has some ability to be selective like this because they get some decent TV revenue and such. If this doesn't work the performance suffers and the payouts crater we'll know. if these schools flourish with the exposure and payouts they will be receiving then maybe other factors should be considered more heavily. All I can say is this is going to be interesting. I don't know why the AAC is going for a bunch of schools that didn't work for CUSA but more power to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNq-jKvr7iw

[VUGrad1314]

For its part CUSA could either break apart entirely or hold together. I think it all comes down to what James Madison decides to do. If James Madison chooses CUSA then Marshall Southern Miss and Old Dominion probably don't leave and Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee State don't have to seek a MAC invite. If James Madison chooses the Sun Belt though... I think all hell is going to break loose for CUSA and it will eventually cease to exist. This will be (and is already) fascinating to watch.

[VUGrad1314]

Hoo boy... Looks like in a few days CUSA is going to be down to 5 with the MAC supposedly circling on WKU and MTSU. This is huge for the Sun Belt. Their hoops get a little better with Marshall and ODU but their football gets way better.


https://csnbbs.com/thread-932888.html

[VUGrad1314]

The last line of this article is very interesting. It states that McNeese State and Sam Houston State have had recent contact with CUSA. If they can hold on to WKU and MTSU get two FCS callups and then add an independent or two they can and will survive. It's not pretty it's pretty gosh darn gross but it's a conference and at this point in this beggars can't be choosers situation CUSA will probably take that.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/conference-usa-future-in-doubt-with-four-teams-expected-to-join-sun-belt-next-week/amp/

[VUGrad1314]

Southern Miss is officially in the Sun Belt. Marshall Old Dominion and James Madison are expected to follow shortly. Liberty is no longer interested in CUSA which is a REALLY bad sign for the league. Sounds like the Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee State to the MAC thing might be very far along then. I don't know if being down to three schools is survivable for CUSA.

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1451668085572788231?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1451668085572788231%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcsnbbs.com%2Fthread-932952.html

[VUGrad1314]

CUSA looking at New Mexico State (all sports) Liberty (all sports) and UConn (football only) Surprised UMass (Football only) isn't also being considered

https://csnbbs.com/thread-933671.html

Marshall hasn't committed to anything yet Maybe they will stay and CUSA survives. They'd need a waiver while they wait on an FCS callup though  if Marshall leaves and Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee stay (they have been rumored targets of the MAC) You need 8 full members for FBS I believe. With NMSU and Liberty and without Marshall (but holding on to WKU and MTSU) they would only have 7. UConn and UMass would at least help them fill out their schedules though. If Marshall WKU and MTSU all leave it's game over even if NMSU and Liberty are willing to come. I don't think you can call up 3+ FCS schools that fast. There's been some talk that Marshall might go to the MAC instead of the Sun Belt (would be stupid) and UMass would take an all sports invite to join them there. If that happens I would think Loyola would be a massive flight risk. Trading UMass for Loyola would be a huge win for the basketball centric A10 and a big blow to a rival league. I hope UMass stays right where they are unless they do a football only membership with CUSA which I don't care one way or the other on since it wouldn't really affect the MVC.

[usc4valpo]

This will be a great competitive year for the conference of champions coming off a great performance in the NCAA tournament. Bill Walton is definitely optimistic. There are no truck stops in the conference of champions!

[wh]

Conference of champions? Obviously, this is not a football thread. lol

[usc4valpo]

you could say it is for most every NCAA sport except football and basketball.

[VUCE99]

If Valpo beats Stanford, will you start calling them "Champion of Champions"?

[VUGrad1314]

Multiple sources now confirm Marshall to the Sun Belt has been finalized.

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1454127077456846854?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1454127077456846854%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcsnbbs.com%2Fthread-933728.html

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1454130468413222918?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1454130468413222918%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcsnbbs.com%2Fthread-933728.html

It sounds like James Madison is indeed coming as well we're just waiting on everything to be fully finalized. They have some local political hoops to jump through (In Virginia funding rules are different for FBS and FCS teams FBS teams cannot rely as heavily on student fees as FCS teams can so James Madison has to show the state how they can fund their transition. That process should be completed within a week.

https://twitter.com/Madia_DNRSports/status/1454110177414758407?s=20

https://csnbbs.com/thread-933709.html

CUSA is now down to 5 schools and I'm not sure if I see their NMSU Liberty UConn gambit paying off and remember that WKU and Middle Tennessee are flight risks (assuming the MAC is interested and it's their turn to swing if they want to). The JMU news is the most significant because that WILL have ramifications at the FCS level which could impact Murray State's football situation assuming that is the only holdup. We'll see with the Missouri State rumors subsiding and CUSA possibly disappearing into the ether (shocking how a conference can go from 14 to gone in a matter of weeks what people thought would happen to the Big XII is happening to them) affects MVC expansion. Hopefully we can get this done soon as more potential paths forward (since the current ones are apparently not workable right now) become available and clearer.)

Is it me or did the Sun Belt just out football the AAC in terms of these realignment adds? Don't get me wrong as long as Memphis Navy and SMU are still around it will be a better conference but if Big XII expansion round II happens look out.

[VALPO LI]

Where would you rank Valpo among all 10 Indiana schools?  Click below to see where CBS sports ranked your school by state.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/united-states-of-college-basketball-2021-22-where-every-team-ranks-in-each-state-from-top-to-bottom/

[oklahomamick]

Former foe King Kampe and the Oakland Grizz just knocked off Oklahoma st. in Stillwater. 

Former foe Porter Moser opened his career at Oklahoma with a 50 point win against UTSA. 

[Valpo Joe]

The FREAKIN' BEACONS are now #225    How LOW can you GO!!!  Come "Door Matt" get real