Transfers

[IndyValpo]

From what I have heard both the Mooney kid and Tate would be good finds for us.

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/982298960931901440

Unless something significant changes, Mooney is likely out of Valpo's reach.

Agreed if he goes, he is hitting the big time.

[sliman]

Ryan Taylor headed to Northwestern:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/

Loyola to host Nevada:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-loyola-nevada-basketball-20180406-story.html

[VU2014]

Unsurprising that they are trying to find immediately eligible guys.

https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/984440119527690241

Good to hear that they won't settle. Best fit possible.

https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/984440328492118016

[VU2014]

UIndy transfer Tate Hall has a visit this weekend! He also has a visit with Loyola... this should be a interesting recruiting battle. Keep the Indiana kid in the state!

https://twitter.com/GrassrootsIND/status/984603487219707906

[FieldGoodie05]

UIndy transfer Tate Hall has a visit this weekend! He also has a visit with Loyola... this should be a interesting recruiting battle. Keep the Indiana kid in the state!

https://twitter.com/GrassrootsIND/status/984603487219707906

Anyone seen video on Tate?  Know anything about him?  What class size is Greenfield Central High in b-ball?

MaxPreps has him with the following high school averages which don't overwhelm:

FG% 51% (ok)
3-pt% 37% (ok)
FT% 69% (crap)
APG 1.5 / TO 0.9 (bad ratio for high school)

[VU2014]

Anyone seen video on Tate?  Know anything about him?  What class size is Greenfield Central High in b-ball?

MaxPreps has him with the following high school averages which don't overwhelm:

FG% 51% (ok)
3-pt% 37% (ok)
FT% 69% (crap)
APG 1.5 / TO 0.9 (bad ratio for high school)

There isn't much UIndy tape. He has a few highlights on his hudl from HS but you can't tell much from them other then that he's a shooter. He doesn't appear to be a super athletic guy but he's good shooter with size.

Stats: http://athletics.uindy.edu/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2017
High School Highlights: https://www.hudl.com/profile/2274340/Tate-Hall/videos

It looks like Tate is a very strong 3pt shooter (43.6% last season). He has good size for a guard.

https://twitter.com/tate_hall41/status/981242388189499392

#24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3EgejocBaY

[FWalum]

Anyone seen video on Tate?  Know anything about him?  What class size is Greenfield Central High in b-ball?

MaxPreps has him with the following high school averages which don't overwhelm:

FG% 51% (ok)
3-pt% 37% (ok)
FT% 69% (crap)
APG 1.5 / TO 0.9 (bad ratio for high school)

Not a whole lot of video that I could find other than his Hudl account.  Greenfield-Central is a 4A program that was 20-5 and ranked 58th in the state by Sagarin his Senior year.  I am a little surprised by the interest, especially Loyola because it would seem that the jump from a good DII player (Tate Hall UIndy Career Stats) to MVC level DI is a little much to expect if we are looking for impact players. On the other hand I have no real knowledge of this player and have to believe that the coaches know what they are doing if we are pursuing him.

[VU2014]

There have been some good transfers up from the D2 levels in the past but it is rare. Example: Max Strus played his first 2 seasons at Lewis and then transferred up to DePaul two years ago. Strus was DePaul's leading scorer last season and was one their best player.

Strus Lewis Stats: http://www.lewisflyers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4940
Strus DePaul Stats: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4065778/max-strus

When you compare Hall's stats at the D2 level to Strus', you can make the case Hall was a more efficient scorer and the better shooter. He didn't take the same volume of shots Strus did though.

http://athletics.uindy.edu/roster.aspx?rp_id=7887

[VU2014]

It sounds like Valpo officially offered Tate Hall this weekend, as did Loyola. Loyola seems to be highly involved in the transfer market this offseason. I have to think that recent tourney run is going to help them. It sounds like Tate would be a nice pick up for us.

He'd red-shirt next season (2018-19): Red-Shirt

2019-20 Season: (potentially Tate Hall's Junior year)
SG: Golder (Sr.), JFL (So.),
SF: Fazekas (Sr. (maybe he's a PF?)), Kiser (Sr.)

2020-21 Season: (potentially Tate Hall's Senior year)
SG: JFL (Jr.)
SF: 0

2020-21 could be a ugly season with all the Seniors graduating the year before... but Tate would definitely have a chance to play significant minutes his senior year. Even his Junior year he'd probably get the chance to play a significant role if he could play a swing role as a 2-3. He certainly has the size to play the 3.

https://twitter.com/MikeLewisCoach/status/985675355200671744

[VULB#62]

It will be an interesting to see if campus environment will be a factor.

LUC = Urban Chicago.  VS. Valpo = Semi-Rural/Suburban. 

UIndy is located in the Indianapolis south suburbs and is surrounded by a residential neigborhood of single family dwellings.  He grew up in Greenfield (population 21,709) only about 25 miles due east of there.

Valpo is closer to his present comfort zone, but he may be looking for a complete change in his life and the allure of the big city. 

As far as UNC-Greensboro, they are in the reigning SoCon (#16 RPI Conference vs, MVC #8) tournament champs, have 13K undergrads and the campus environment is kind of in-between Valpo's and an urban campus. It's also far from home for his folks.

[usc4valpo]

62 - Loyola is located is a pretty nice neighborhood and borders some very nice Chicago suburbs. I dont think he will go through culture shock.

[VULB#62]

That's certainly true about the N. Sheridan Rd. area.  Been there.  The Chicago north side neighborhoods are all really cool.  But it is still the city and contrasts markedly from Valpo's environment.  Not thinking 'shock' so much as 'different'.  Good personal example to illustrate:  I spent over 40 yars living in the crowded Boston area.  I have lived outside Green Bay now for the last 5 years.  I used to enjoy the crowded, energetic surroundings in the city and the close-in suburbs.  Not anymore -- I now crave open space and actually feel closed in when I visit my old haunts.  It could work the opposite way as well.  I'm just wondering how much the campus and surrounding environment will enter into his decision.  It might just come down to anticipated minutes once he's eleigible regardless of the school, urban or not.

[VU2014]

Another MVC team that could be a serious contender to land Hall is Evansville. They might not be a winning program the next few seasons but they're main selling point would probably be playing time.

I wonder how much the glut of Juniors is impacting us on the recruiting trail especially in the backcourt with 2 freshman guards coming in. We should be able to offer transfer PF's on playing time availability for next season. Landing impact wings might be a tougher task. I think we could use another guy with the versatility to play the 2-3.

[VUGrad1314]

Is it me or are the guys we're in on not terribly exciting? Jack Williams only shot 33% last year from 3 I'm looking for a bot better from a stretch 4 and I too have my concerns about this kid coming up from D2. At least he seems like a decent shooter and the fact that another conference member is in on him makes me feel better. Of the two I have more confidence in the D2 transfer.

[VU2014]

Is it me or are the guys we're in on not terribly exciting? Jack Williams only shot 33% last year from 3 I'm looking for a bot better from a stretch 4 and I too have my concerns about this kid coming up from D2. At least he seems like a decent shooter and the fact that another conference member is in on him makes me feel better. Of the two I have more confidence in the D2 transfer.

I talked to a friend (not a basketball expert fwiw) who is a UIndy alum and watches a lot of their games and I asked him about Tate and he said he's a shooter but is also a solid rebounder. Apparently the UIndy offense really spreads it around and tries to get everyone involved. He wasn't the focal point of the offense but probably would have been next season with them 2 of their top scorers. Clearly a lot of coaches like what they've seen in his game. Need to trust the coaches. They've seen a lot more tape on him then any of us and they're the real professionals. I like that we're going after shooters that can knock down shots.

Jack Williams shot (1.6-4.0) 39.1% from 3 the season before. Maybe it was just a off season? Maybe the coaches also think there is some unlocked potential there. His FT% is what bothered me. Only 64.2%. Not great. eFG%: 46.7. PER: 10.7

[VU2014]

Jack Williams won't be a Valparaiso Crusader.

I sure hope we don't settle with these 3 open scholarships just because we need to fill out the roster... We need help at PF.


https://twitter.com/_Jwilly32/status/985968478241738753

[VUGrad1314]

Somebody please tell me why this guy hasn't been brought in for a visit.

http://verbalcommits.com/players/messiah-jones

[VUGrad1314]

Is it me or are the guys we're in on not terribly exciting? Jack Williams only shot 33% last year from 3 I'm looking for a bot better from a stretch 4 and I too have my concerns about this kid coming up from D2. At least he seems like a decent shooter and the fact that another conference member is in on him makes me feel better. Of the two I have more confidence in the D2 transfer.

I talked to a friend (not a basketball expert fwiw) who is a UIndy alum and watches a lot of their games and I asked him about Tate and he said he's a shooter but is also a solid rebounder. Apparently the UIndy offense really spreads it around and tries to get everyone involved. He wasn't the focal point of the offense but probably would have been next season with them 2 of their top scorers. Clearly a lot of coaches like what they've seen in his game. Need to trust the coaches. They've seen a lot more tape on him then any of us and they're the real professionals. I like that we're going after shooters that can knock down shots. Jack Williams shot (1.6-4.0) 39.1% from 3 the season before. Maybe it was just a off season? Maybe the coaches also think there is some unlocked potential there. His FT% is what bothered me. Only 64.2%. Not great. eFG%: 46.7. PER: 10.7

That skillset makes me think he's the Will Bogan\ Matt Kenney type we've been seeking. The way you describe the offense he's comfortable running in makes me think he's a tailor made fit for Loyola. Of course maybe Loyola is more focused on Nixon right now so we can swoop in and get him by making him a priority.

[valpotx]

You can't beat scenic Missoula.

[valpo84]

Somebody please tell me why this guy hasn't been brought in for a visit.

http://verbalcommits.com/players/messiah-jones

Would that mean he could deliver us to the Promised Land.  Sorry, too easy...

[VU2014]

Isn't there a unwritten rule that you don't recruit kids from teams you just played? Oh well. I wish Marty never left but I wish him well.

https://twitter.com/AlexRileySN/status/988559909850673152

[FieldGoodie05]

Isn't there a unwritten rule that you don't recruit kids from teams you just played? Oh well. I wish Marty never left but I wish him well.

https://twitter.com/AlexRileySN/status/988559909850673152

Didn't we play SLU the season Keith Carter transfered to VU?

[VU2014]

Isn't there a unwritten rule that you don't recruit kids from teams you just played? Oh well. I wish Marty never left but I wish him well.

https://twitter.com/AlexRileySN/status/988559909850673152

Didn't we play SLU the season Keith Carter transfered to VU?

Good point, but Keith's situation as everyone knows was a bit different with him being a Rick Majerus recruit and him passing away and Crews not letting him take a red-shirt and all.

[VULB#62]

Good luck Marty. I hope the redshirt year helps you grow.

QUESTION:  Can a player request to be redshirted?  Might Marty and Valpo both have benefitted with him redshirting at Valpo instead of at UNCW?

[VUGrad1314]

Illinois State adds another:

https://twitter.com/boettger_eli/status/988585034134110208