Valpo in the Rankings 2017-18

agibson · November 13, 2017, 02:58:02 PM

We'll find out which polls and rankings are relevant for us and our colleagues this season.

At the beginning of the season it's the Mid-Major Top 25, unless we want to look back at Oakland.

agibson · November 13, 2017, 03:00:43 PM

This Midmajor Top 25 is from October 30. So, should be pre-season.

http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php

Ranking. School. Record. Points. Last Week. Conference

1.    Gonzaga (28)    0-0    772    -    West Coast
2.    Saint Mary's (3)    0-0    740    -    West Coast
3.    Vermont    0-0    626    -    America East
4.    Charleston    0-0    625    -    Colonial
5.    Oakland    0-0    587    -    Horizon
6.    Bucknell    0-0    540    -    Patriot
7.    Harvard    0-0    463    -    Ivy League
8.    BYU    0-0    453    -    West Coast
9.    UT Arlington    0-0    435    -    Sun Belt
10.    Belmont    0-0    391    -    Ohio Valley
11.    Northern Kentucky    0-0    371    -    Horizon
12.    FGCU    0-0    336    -    Atlantic Sun
13.    Louisiana    0-0    267    -    Sun Belt
14.    South Dakota State    0-0    258    -    Summit
15.    Mercer    0-0    223    -    Southern
16.    Missouri State    0-0    217    -    Missouri Valley
17.    Furman    0-0    210    -    Southern
18.    Albany    0-0    185    -    America East
19.    Yale    0-0    184    -    Ivy League
20.    Samford    0-0    183    -    Southern
21.    Princeton    0-0    179    -    Ivy League
22.    Elon    0-0    148    -    Colonial
23.    Western Michigan    0-0    147    -    Mid-American
24.    UNC Asheville    0-0    133    -    Big South
25.    Georgia State    0-0    117    -    Sun Belt

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Loyola Chicago 92, Lipscomb 91, Georgia Southern 89, Northern Iowa 82, Iona 71, Stephen F. Austin 69, Monmouth 71, UNCW 65, ETSU 51, Illinois State 49, New Mexico State 46, CSU Bakersfield 39, Morgan State 33, South Dakota 31, Valparaiso 31, Idaho 30, UC Irvine 26, Akron 25, UNC Greensboro 25, Buffalo 22, San Francisco 22, North Dakota 21, Ball State 20, Grand Canyon 20, Kent State 18, Weber State 15, Murray State 13, Liberty 12, UC Davis 12, Winthrop 11, Chattanooga 11, Wofford 11, Siena 8, Fairfield 7, Hofstra 7, UIC 5, Loyola MD 5, Montana State 5, Saint Francis (Pa.) 5, Fort Wayne 4, Campbell 3, Colgate 3, Lamar 3, Coastal Carolina 2, Saint Peter's 2, Santa Clara 2, UMBC 2, Jacksonville State 1, North Carolina Central 1, Troy 1.

VOTING PANEL: Casey Alexander (Lipscomb), Roman Banks (Southern), Randy Bennett (St. Mary's), Will Brown (Albany), Jamion Christian (Mount St. Mary's), Jon Coffman (Fort Wayne), Jim Engles (Columbia), James Fox (Appalachian State), Derrin Hansen (Omaha), Steve Hawkins (Western Michigan), Jason Hooten (Sam Houston State), Brian Jones (North Dakota), James Jones (Yale), Mike Jones (Radford), Robert Jones (Norfolk State), Greg Kampe (Oakland), Danny Kaspar (Texas State), Tod Kowalczyk (Toledo), Greg Lansing (Indiana State), Jim Les (UC Davis), Dan Majerle (Grand Canyon), Bob Marlin (Louisiana), Ritchie McKay (Liberty), Rob O'Driscoll (Drexel), Jimmy Patsos (Siena), Kyle Perry (USC Upstate), G.G. Smith (Loyola), Damon Stoudamire (Pacific), Jay Spoonhour (Eastern Illinois), Willis Wilson (Texas A&M Corpus Christi), Mike Young (Wofford).

I guess that reflects the Valley as a wide open conference.

Valpo has a lot of connections on the voting panel including Greg Lansing (Indiana State), G.G. Smith (Loyola), Greg Kampe (Oakland).

agibson · November 13, 2017, 03:10:21 PM

In other rankings, Oakland picked up a couple of votes in the pre-season writers and coaches rankings and holds their ground in this week's AP Top 25. 2 points. Last week it was Elton Alexander and a certain Paul Klee from Denver.

Lunardi in his Nov 8 Bracketology gave Loyola a 13 (?!) seed.

Pomeroy (kenpom.com) has, after a game or two,

(84 Oakland)
94 Illinois State
95 Missouri State
100 Loyola
(115 Northern KY)
119 Bradley
124 Southern Illinois
129 Northern Iowa
132 Valparaiso
143 Evansville
(158 UIC)
165 Indiana State
(191 Wright State)
(208 Milwaukee)
223 Drake
(230 IUPUI)
(248 Green Bay)
(268 Cleveland State)
(278 Youngstown State)
(280 Detroit)

I'm definitely liking "8 teams in the top 150"!

Valpo's at
AdjO 100.0 (189th)
AdjD 97.7 (85th)

for an overall +2.27 "adjusted efficiency margin" which puts us at #132.

I expect our offensive rating will improve. We'll see.

wh · November 13, 2017, 03:13:17 PM

Only a matter of time...

VUGrad1314 · November 13, 2017, 03:16:24 PM

It also speaks to the MVC being a great move for Valpo in terms of overall competition although the top of the Horizon looks to hold it's own against the top of the MVC the middle and bottom of the MVC is so much better than their Horizon League counterparts Also interesting that the A10 AAC and MWC don't count for this poll

agibson · November 13, 2017, 03:23:58 PM

And, just for fun, a look at some non-confernece opponents (all the best ranked ones, I think).

Samford KenPom 135, MM25 #20.
Kent State 160, RV
UNC Wilmington 121, RV
Utah State 134
Purdue Ken Pom 15, AP 20, USA Coaches 21
Ball State Ken Pom 133, MM25 RV
Northwestern Ken Pom 29, AP 19, USA Coaches 20
Santa Clara Ken Pom 125, MM25 RV

Altogether, a really solid schedule. You wish a few more of the good non-conference games were at home. And, if we do well, I guess we'll wish we had more games in the Pomeroy 50-100 range.

But, looks really decent.

VUGrad1314 · November 13, 2017, 03:28:00 PM

You missed UNC-Wilmington which also received votes in the Mid Major Top 25 I think they got like 65 and are entered in as UNCW

agibson · November 13, 2017, 03:34:34 PM

Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 13, 2017, 03:28:00 PM
You missed UNC-Wilmington which also received votes in the Mid Major Top 25 I think they got like 65 and are entered in as UNCW

Thanks! I was thinking that what I had for the Savannah tournament looked wrong.

VULB#62 · November 13, 2017, 04:07:32 PM

Quote from: wh on November 13, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
Only a matter of time...

Indeed. I've concluded that Valpo is the most "unknown" known quantity in mid-major college basketball. Nobody knows what to do with us. Heck, even we don't know who we are yet (and we won't know that much more after tonight, unfortunately).

VU2014 · November 13, 2017, 06:01:19 PM

EDIT: My bad wrong thread.

VULB#62 · November 13, 2017, 06:13:34 PM

Shouldn't that be in the game thread?

talksalot · November 13, 2017, 09:47:16 PM

Wait for the Samford game... they have a 6-8 kid named.... Alex Peters.

Valpower · November 13, 2017, 10:34:53 PM

Quote from: talksalot on November 13, 2017, 09:47:16 PM
Wait for the Samford game... they have a 6-8 kid named.... Alex Peters.

And a 7-ft Spaniard. Who do they think they are?

ValpoDad89 · November 13, 2017, 10:46:14 PM

Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 13, 2017, 03:16:24 PMIt also speaks to the MVC being a great move for Valpo in terms of overall competition although the top of the Horizon looks to hold it's own against the top of the MVC the middle and bottom of the MVC is so much better than their Horizon League counterparts Also interesting that the A10 AAC and MWC don't count for this poll

I'm thinking the WCC with Gonzaga in particular is no longer a true mid major conference but akin to the A10 and MWC. In fact one could argue they are better than the MWC.

bbtds · November 14, 2017, 06:15:22 AM

Quote from: Valpower on November 13, 2017, 10:34:53 PM
Quote from: talksalot on November 13, 2017, 09:47:16 PM
Wait for the Samford game... they have a 6-8 kid named.... Alex Peters.
And a 7-ft Spaniard. Who do they think they are?

The sincerest form of flattery is imitation.

Now if only they can secure two Canadians by next Tuesday.

VU2014 · November 14, 2017, 09:34:39 AM

Valpo actually slightly went down in the rankings as did a few other MVC Teams. The biggest surprise early is UC-Riverside who we play on the California road trip later this season.

Update Top 25 Mid-Major College Insider Rankings:

1.   Gonzaga (27)   1-0   771   1   West Coast
2.   Saint Mary's (4)   1-0   748   2   West Coast
3.   Vermont   0-1   675   3   America East
4.   Charleston   1-0   659   4   Colonial
5.   Oakland   1-0   635   5   Horizon
6.   Harvard   2-0   575   7   Ivy League
7.   Bucknell   0-2   536   6   Patriot
8.   BYU   1-0   523   8   West Coast
9.   UT Arlington   1-0   465   9   Sun Belt
10.   Belmont   0-1   443   10   Ohio Valley
11.   Northern Kentucky   2-0   437   11   Horizon
12.   FGCU   1-0   433   12   Atlantic Sun
13.   South Dakota State   2-0   346   14   Summit
14.   Louisiana   0-1   292   13   Sun Belt
15.   Missouri State   1-0   269   16   Missouri Valley
16.   Mercer   1-1   233   15   Southern
17.   Furman   1-0   205   17   Southern
18.   Albany   1-0   198   18   America East
19.   Georgia Southern   1-0   176   NR   Sun Belt
20.   Georgia State   1-0   138   25   Sun Belt
21.   Western Michigan   1-0   103   23   Mid-American
22.   Princeton   0-1   102   21   Ivy League
23.   Elon   1-1   96   22   Colonial
24.   UC Riverside   1-0   89   NR   Big West
25.   Indiana State   1-0   81   NR   Missouri Valley

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Loyola Chicago 80, Monmouth 73, UNC Asheville 52, Samford 46, Yale 46, Lipscomb 45, New Mexico State 43, Weber State 35, Delaware 28, Toledo 25, Valparaiso 23, CSU Bakersfield 22, Stephen F. Austin 20, Illinois State 19, Eastern Kentucky 16, ETSU 16, Iona 16, Loyola MD 15, Murray State 15, Lehigh 13, UC Irvine 13, Ball State 12, Northern Iowa 12, Akron 11, Hofstra 11, Kent State 11, Troy 11, Evansville 10, Lamar 10, Liberty 10, Montana State 10, North Dakota 10, Grand Canyon 9, Bowling Green 8, Buffalo 7, South Dakota 7, Bradley 5, UC Davis 5, UNCW 5, High Point 3, UNC Greensboro 3, Winthrop 3, Navy 2, Southern Illinois 2, Idaho 1, Long Beach State 1, Mount Saint Mary's 1, Niagara 1, San Francisco 1, Santa Clara 1, Texas Southern 1, Towson 1, Wofford 1.

oklahomamick · November 14, 2017, 09:38:03 AM

I'm higher on Oakland...Although they will be without Nunn next game due to an injury.

Surprised UWM is not the in top 25 mix.

Valpower · November 14, 2017, 10:03:21 AM

Quote from: VU2014 on November 14, 2017, 09:34:39 AM
Valpo actually slightly went down in the rankings as did a few other MVC Teams. The biggest surprise early is UC-Riverside who we play on the California road trip later this season.

I'm quite surprised by that. Neither Cal nor Riverside were predicted to be very good. Good for me, though, as I'll be at the Valpo/Riverside game to see my team for the first time in long while. I was hoping it wouldn't be a romp as their gym is not particularly entertaining. It will be a challenge, especially as it follows four tough road challenges.

agibson · November 16, 2017, 09:01:28 AM

Quote from: agibson on November 13, 2017, 03:10:21 PMValpo's at
AdjO 100.0 (189th)
AdjD 97.7 (85th)

for an overall +2.27 "adjusted efficiency margin" which puts us at #132.

I expect our offensive rating will improve. We'll see.

Edwardsville's defense is not (was not?) highly rated. But, you score 94, your offensive rating is going to go up.

KenPom:

118 Valparaiso MVC 3-0 +3.62 101.3 167 97.7 80

(#118 overall, +3.62 adjusted efficiency margin, #167 offense, defense basically unchanged at #80)

talksalot · November 16, 2017, 04:33:56 PM

Thursday morning Sagarins'... just the top 20... (just sayin')... and before the Redbirds chomped down on the Gamecocks.

CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%

1 BIG 12 = 86.25 86.30 ( 1) 10 86.28 ( 1)
2 ATLANTIC COAST = 84.86 84.64 ( 2) 15 84.72 ( 2)
3 BIG EAST = 83.05 83.22 ( 3) 10 83.21 ( 3)
4 BIG TEN = 82.94 83.02 ( 4) 14 83.00 ( 4)
5 SOUTHEASTERN = 82.65 82.90 ( 5) 14 82.84 ( 5)
6 PAC-12 = 80.05 80.07 ( 6) 12 80.04 ( 6)
7 AMERICAN ATHLETIC = 78.13 78.21 ( 7) 12 78.14 ( 7)
8 MOUNTAIN WEST = 75.56 75.33 ( 9) 11 75.40 ( 8)
9 ATLANTIC 10 = 75.16 75.35 ( 8) 14 75.29 ( 9)
10 MISSOURI VALLEY = 74.84 74.26 ( 11) 10 74.44 ( 10)
11 WEST COAST = 73.48 74.44 ( 10) 10 73.76 ( 11)
12 MID-AMERICAN(east) = 72.56 72.46 ( 12) 6 72.48 ( 12)
13 MID-AMERICAN(west) = 71.55 71.70 ( 13) 6 71.69 ( 13)
14 COLONIAL = 71.40 71.13 ( 14) 10 71.17 ( 14)
15 IVY LEAGUE = 70.85 70.76 ( 15) 8 70.79 ( 15)
16 SUN BELT = 69.80 69.94 ( 16) 12 69.93 ( 16)
17 SUMMIT LEAGUE = 69.38 69.78 ( 17) 8 69.70 ( 17)
18 METRO ATLANTIC = 69.17 69.15 ( 19) 11 69.16 ( 19)
19 CONFERENCE USA = 69.00 69.33 ( 18) 14 69.19 ( 18)
20 HORIZON = 68.69 68.89 ( 21) 10 68.84 ( 21)

10 MISSOURI VALLEY = 74.84 74.26 ( 11) TEAMS= 10 74.44 ( 10)
College Basketball 2017-2018 Div I games only through games of 2017 November 15 Wednesday
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 50 | PREDICTOR | GOLDEN_MEAN | RECENT
HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 3.00] [ 3.00] [ 3.00] [ 3.00]
78 Missouri State = 78.07 2 0 65.18( 256) 0 0 | 0 0 | 77.99 80 | 77.47 84 | 79.11 77
82 Northern Iowa = 77.88 1 1 74.62( 142) 0 1 | 0 1 | 77.91 82 | 77.42 86 | 76.42 117
97 Valparaiso = 76.47 1 0 63.91( 273) 0 0 | 0 0 | 76.44 97 | 75.77 103 | 77.06 108
107 Illinois State = 75.60 0 1 79.79( 83) 0 0 | 0 0 | 75.88 104 | 75.24 115 | 70.09 194
109 Southern Illinois = 75.57 1 0 73.42( 157) 0 0 | 0 0 | 75.13 114 | 75.64 106 | 80.81 60
115 Loyola-Chicago = 75.33 1 0 66.94( 233) 0 0 | 0 0 | 74.91 117 | 76.13 95 | 76.64 112
119 Indiana State = 75.03 1 0 80.73( 73) 0 0 | 0 0 | 74.30 129 | 75.44 108 | 89.02 8
153 Evansville = 72.54 2 0 63.36( 282) 0 0 | 0 0 | 72.41 151 | 71.59 163 | 75.95 122
171 Bradley = 71.32 2 0 63.81( 277) 0 0 | 0 0 | 70.97 174 | 70.09 184 | 80.66 62
273 Drake = 64.79 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.63 273 | 64.51 275 | 65.80 245

20 HORIZON = 68.69 68.89 ( 21) TEAMS= 10 68.84 ( 21)
College Basketball 2017-2018 Div I games only through games of 2017 November 15 Wednesday
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 50 | PREDICTOR | GOLDEN_MEAN | RECENT
HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 3.00] [ 3.00] [ 3.00] [ 3.00]
93 Oakland-Mich. = 76.68 2 0 64.67( 263) 0 0 | 0 0 | 76.60 94 | 75.91 100 | 78.43 92
138 Northern Kentucky = 73.77 1 0 68.44( 219) 0 0 | 0 0 | 73.45 139 | 73.48 140 | 77.77 99
160 Milwaukee = 72.13 1 0 82.28( 64) 0 0 | 0 0 | 71.26 168 | 72.82 152 | 84.63 35
193 Wright State = 69.94 0 2 74.57( 145) 0 0 | 0 0 | 70.00 189 | 69.79 191 | 66.68 234
210 Illinois-Chicago = 69.00 1 1 67.21( 231) 0 0 | 0 0 | 69.04 208 | 68.65 209 | 66.87 231
218 Green Bay = 68.21 0 1 75.00( 131) 0 0 | 0 0 | 68.15 219 | 68.47 214 | 65.20 252
228 Detroit Mercy = 67.81 0 1 88.42( 20) 0 0 | 0 1 | 67.50 235 | 68.29 221 | 68.32 216
285 Youngstown State = 63.94 0 1 76.49( 116) 0 0 | 0 0 | 63.58 287 | 64.83 269 | 63.46 277
287 IUPUI = 63.80 0 1 74.33( 147) 0 0 | 0 0 | 63.77 286 | 63.46 288 | 62.85 287
290 Cleveland State = 63.62 0 2 76.62( 114) 0 0 | 0 0 | 63.16 292 | 64.86 267 | 63.09 283

VULB#62 · November 16, 2017, 06:45:56 PM

MVC #10. That's pretty cool.

ValpoDad89 · November 16, 2017, 07:26:14 PM

Today, we are #118 on Kenpom.

VU2014 · November 20, 2017, 02:41:51 PM

No Valpo in the Mid-Major Madness Rankings. We're better then some of those teams receiving votes, imo. We have an opportunity to crack the Top 25 Mid-Major polls if we have a good showing this week. Games against: Samford, Kent State and UNCW. It's a big week.

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/11/20/16681414/mid-major-madness-power-rankings-belmont-bruins-rick-byrd-saint-marys-gonzaga

Mid-Major Madness Power Rankings: Week 1
RANK   TEAM   RECORD   LAST WEEK   POINTS
1   Saint Mary's (7)   4-0   -   199
2   Gonzaga (1)   3-0   -   193
3   Nevada   4-0   -   180
4   Vermont   3-1   -   178
5   UT Arlington   2-0   -   159
6   Rhode Island   2-1   -   137
7   Belmont   4-1   -   122
8   Boise State   4-1   -   120
9   Charleston   2-1   -   106
10   VCU   2-1   -   102
11   Florida Gulf Coast   2-1   -   94
12   Old Dominion   4-1   -   90
13   Davidson   2-0   -   75
14   Middle Tennessee   3-1   -   71
14   Oakland   2-1   -   71
16   New Mexico State   2-1   -   68
17   Georgia Southern   3-0   -   64
18   Northern Kentucky   4-1   -   62
19   Saint Louis   3-1   -   52
20   BYU   2-1   -   48
21   St. Bonaventure   1-1   -   47
22   Loyola Chicago   4-0   -   32
23   Missouri State   2-1   -   26
24   Mercer   4-2   -   25
24   Toledo   3-0   -   25
Also receiving votes: Grand Canyon 23, Saint Joseph's 23, Utah Valley 21, Dayton 20, San Diego State 18, Wyoming 18, South Dakota 15, Yale 14, Louisiana Tech 14, Princeton 13, Monmouth 12, Hofstra 11, South Dakota State 11, Bucknell 9, North Dakota State 9, UNC Asheville 6, Coastal Carolina 5, Furman 5, Montana 4, Albany 2.

VUGrad1314 · November 20, 2017, 03:21:18 PM

And with that loss to Georgia Southern Missouri State's spot in these rankings is gone baby gone For the good of the MVC please #FirePaulLusk

vu72 · November 20, 2017, 03:58:40 PM

Quote from: VULB#62 on November 16, 2017, 06:45:56 PM
MVC #10. That's pretty cool.

The Valley is #9 in the Sagarins. Valpo #82