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FieldGoodie05

Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 04, 2019, 08:16:57 AM
Getting all the juniors back next season, when we know some will graduate early, will largely depend on how we perform over the next 2 months. 

My honest opinion is we need to go at least 11-7 in conference to create enough buzz and excitement that we get everyone back for a run at a conference title next year.   

If we go 7-11 we will have multiple transfers.    This does not take into account performance in the conference tournament as a run to the finals would alleviate a so-so regular season record.  But you guys get the idea. 

Like it or not, we need to end the season strong if we want everyone back, it is the nature of modern college basketball.

I've also thought our MVC success will dicatate strongly our 2019/20 season for all the reasons mentioned.

Unlikely to transfer
Kiser
Golder
Fazekas
Smits


Borderline to transfer
Bradford
Sorolla
Evelyn
(Ranked order)

VUGrad1314

Due to injuries and somewhat to performance I doubt any of these players transfers except maybe Bradford. Evelyn and Sorolla get and will get plenty of playing time and I doubt Evelyn will want to sit out another year (though maybe he's graduating? I'm not sure).


talksalot

Gritty... Gritty... Gritty...

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Place  team conf %  D1 w/l   %    NET  T1 Rec  L10  streak
1 Valparaiso 3-0 1.000 - 8-6 0.571  183 0-0 6-4 4 Wins
2  Southern Illinois 2-1 0.667 1 9-7 0.562  124 0-3 6-4 1 Loss
2  Loyola-Chicago 2-1 0.667 1 8-7 0.533  78 0-2 4-6 1 Loss
2  Illinois State 2-1 0.667 1 8-7 0.533  202 0-1 5-5 2 Wins
2  Evansville 2-1 0.667 1 6-8 0.429  168 0-2 5-5 1 Win
6  Drake 1-2 0.333 2 10-4 0.714  148 0-1 7-3 1 Win
6  Indiana State 1-2 0.333 2 7-6 0.538  132 0-3 5-5 1 Loss
6  Missouri State 1-2 0.333 2 6-9 0.400  232 0-2 3-7 1 Win
6 Northern Iowa 1-2 0.333 2 4-10 0.286  229 0-2 2-8 2 Losses
10 Bradley 0-3 0.000 3 7-8 0.467  213 0-0 3-7 3 Losses
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oklahomamick

I'm extremely happy we are part of the Missouri Valley.  The conference can offer more than the HL could. 

However, I like the HL playing games on Friday and Sunday.  Gives a week of practice and recovery.  I think we are tired.  I assume the team will make the 5 and half hour drive to Carbondale on Friday.  That gives Wednesday (day after the game) and Thursday to be home in our training room and gym.  And little time for film......Would like to see the MVC go to the HL travel partners schedule.
CRUSADERS!!!

SanityLost17

Quote from: oklahomamick on January 09, 2019, 09:55:54 AM
I'm extremely happy we are part of the Missouri Valley.  The conference can offer more than the HL could. 

However, I like the HL playing games on Friday and Sunday.  Gives a week of practice and recovery.  I think we are tired.  I assume the team will make the 5 and half hour drive to Carbondale on Friday.  That gives Wednesday (day after the game) and Thursday to be home in our training room and gym.  And little time for film......Would like to see the MVC go to the HL travel partners schedule.

Everyone played less than 30 minutes last night with most in the 26 range.   Everyone got lower than average minutes against Missouri State as well.    Why do you think we are tired?   I mean, maybe we are tired, but it is not like we are running our guys out there for 36 minutes a game.  If we are tired so is every other team in the league through 3 games... 

M

These guys are also in their prime, no way they are tired.  Bumped and bruised a bit, but I don't think tired is the case at all.

VUGrad1314

They sure didn't defend like a  tired team last night.

talksalot

4-game winning streak is T-22 Nationally...
3-game HOME winning streak is T-117 Nationally
Point Differential:  -0.4  is 175th Nationally
Points per game:  67.8 Tied with the Portland Pilots for 272nd Nationally
FG % 44.6 is 163rd Nationally
2-pt FG % 51.6 is 149th Nationally
3-pt FG % 33.4 is 203rd Nationally
Points allowed is 68.1 a 4-way tie for 82nd Nationally (Brown, Fla St and Mississippi State)
FG % allowed is 44.8% is 213th Nationally
Most D-1 wins is 8 which is a T-139





oklahomamick

I didn't buy the tired and travel excuses from Lottich earlier.  But taking a bus from Valpo to Springfield after an emotional first conference game.  Then traveling back starting class and having another big test against Bradley.  A couple days latter take another 6 hour bus ride to play another important game.  All while playing with GRIT.  That gets physically and mentally exhausting.  I'm telling you they need a couple more days between contests. 
CRUSADERS!!!

vusupporter

Quote from: oklahomamick on January 09, 2019, 12:33:56 PM
I didn't buy the tired and travel excuses from Lottich earlier.  But taking a bus from Valpo to Springfield after an emotional first conference game.  Then traveling back starting class and having another big test against Bradley.  A couple days latter take another 6 hour bus ride to play another important game.  All while playing with GRIT.  That gets physically and mentally exhausting.  I'm telling you they need a couple more days between contests.

They're not taking a bus.

VUGrad1314

Quote from: oklahomamick on January 09, 2019, 12:33:56 PMI didn't buy the tired and travel excuses from Lottich earlier.  But taking a bus from Valpo to Springfield after an emotional first conference game.  Then traveling back starting class and having another big test against Bradley.  A couple days latter take another 6 hour bus ride to play another important game.  All while playing with GRIT.  That gets physically and mentally exhausting.  I'm telling you they need a couple more days between contests.



Everyone's facing the same difficulties. The schedule environments and travel is the same for everybody. No excuses for anyone in this conference.

oklahomamick

The team charters a flight from Valpo to Carbondale?  Nice. 
CRUSADERS!!!

vu72

Quote from: oklahomamick on January 09, 2019, 01:28:03 PM
The team charters a flight from Valpo to Carbondale?  Nice. 

Doesn't really surprise.  Valpo has really stepped it up in spending for athletics.  Consider that the women's team spent a night prior to a game in FORT WAYNE!  Or that Women's Tennis coach flew to California to see a recruit play a match.  Times have changed.  I doubt the men's buses anywhere other than Loyola.
Season Results: CBI/CIT: 2008, 2011, 2014  NIT: 2003,2012, 2016(Championship Game) 2017   NCAA: 1962,1966,1967,1969,1973,1996,1997,1998 (Sweet Sixteen),1999, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2013 and 2015

EddieCabot

Quote from: vu72 on January 09, 2019, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 09, 2019, 01:28:03 PM
The team charters a flight from Valpo to Carbondale?  Nice. 

Doesn't really surprise.  Valpo has really stepped it up in spending for athletics.  Consider that the women's team spent a night prior to a game in FORT WAYNE!  Or that Women's Tennis coach flew to California to see a recruit play a match.  Times have changed.  I doubt the men's buses anywhere other than Loyola.

Is that true?  Bradley, ISUr and ISUb are all 3-hour drives.  If they're now chartering flights for those trips, I think we can all stop criticizing the school for not committing money to athletics.

VULB#62

Quote from: EddieCabot on January 09, 2019, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 09, 2019, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 09, 2019, 01:28:03 PM
The team charters a flight from Valpo to Carbondale?  Nice. 

Doesn't really surprise.  Valpo has really stepped it up in spending for athletics.  Consider that the women's team spent a night prior to a game in FORT WAYNE!  Or that Women's Tennis coach flew to California to see a recruit play a match.  Times have changed.  I doubt the men's buses anywhere other than Loyola.

Is that true?  Bradley, ISUr and ISUb are all 3-hour drives.  If they're now chartering flights for those trips, I think we can all stop criticizing the school for not committing money to athletics.

I'm guessing that the three you mention are still bus trips -- the overall time saved flying against those shorter bus trips is not much and then you still ahve to charter buses at both ends anyway.  But the other 5 MVC locations are certainly worth flying to in terms of time savings and fatique lessening.

crusadermoe

Missouri State would be the very worst bus trip if they actually did that   I am doubtful. 

Yes, the logic of flying probably only holds for Drake, Northern Iowa, and probably Evansville. 

SIU would need to be a charter to be worthwhile flying.   Flying commercial Chicago to St. Louis to SIU in January makes no sense due to time/stress/risks.

wh

Quote from: EddieCabot on January 09, 2019, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 09, 2019, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 09, 2019, 01:28:03 PM
The team charters a flight from Valpo to Carbondale?  Nice. 

Doesn't really surprise.  Valpo has really stepped it up in spending for athletics.  Consider that the women's team spent a night prior to a game in FORT WAYNE!  Or that Women's Tennis coach flew to California to see a recruit play a match.  Times have changed.  I doubt the men's buses anywhere other than Loyola.

Is that true?  Bradley, ISUr and ISUb are all 3-hour drives.  If they're now chartering flights for those trips, I think we can all stop criticizing the school for not committing money to athletics.

What do "r" and "b" stand for?

VUGrad1314

Quote from: wh on January 09, 2019, 05:45:32 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 09, 2019, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 09, 2019, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 09, 2019, 01:28:03 PMThe team charters a flight from Valpo to Carbondale?  Nice.
Doesn't really surprise.  Valpo has really stepped it up in spending for athletics.  Consider that the women's team spent a night prior to a game in FORT WAYNE!  Or that Women's Tennis coach flew to California to see a recruit play a match.  Times have changed.  I doubt the men's buses anywhere other than Loyola.
Is that true?  Bradley, ISUr and ISUb are all 3-hour drives.  If they're now chartering flights for those trips, I think we can all stop criticizing the school for not committing money to athletics.
What do "r" and "b" stand for?



Red and blue for their team colors. Illinois State wears red so ISUr Indiana State wears blue so ISUb. Helps posters know which ISU is being referred to.

VU2014

Haslametrics Rankings and analysis of Valpo:

http://www.haslametrics.com/ratings2.php?yr=&tid=5371

"ANALYSIS: Regardless of what the win percentage says, Valparaiso isn't a very good team this year. They have a record of 10-6 and are ranked 187th overall (out of 353) in the latest Haslametrics ratings.

Valparaiso sports an offensive attack that is mediocre at best. Rated at #204 in offensive efficiency, they score about 100 points every 100 possessions vs. AO. Valparaiso is not one of the better teams at drawing fouls and getting to the free throw line. With a free throw attempt rate of just 22.87 vs. AO, they are 283rd in the overall rankings for that category.

Valparaiso doesn't rate much better on defense than they do on offense. Allowing roughly 104 points for every 100 trips upcourt vs. AO, they are ranked #194 in the nation in defensive efficiency. Valparaiso struggles on occasion to deny opponents opportunities to shoot from the floor. The team is ranked 311th in the nation in defensive field goal attempt rate with a rating of 87.13 vs. AO. If Valparaiso does have a bright spot on defense, it would have to be their success preventing opponents from getting to the free throw line. The team has a defensive free throw attempt rate of 21.25 vs. AO, which ranks 33rd-best in the country."

This analysis is computer generated and based solely on data and metrics.

tiny707

I don't care abut your metrics. I care about the 2019 improvement, 3-0 in conference and grittiness. That is like passing on Curry in the NBA Draft because he went to Davidson. Now go watch Hoosiers.

vu72

Quote from: VU2014 on January 10, 2019, 09:26:46 AM
Haslametrics Rankings and analysis of Valpo:

http://www.haslametrics.com/ratings2.php?yr=&tid=5371

"ANALYSIS: Regardless of what the win percentage says, Valparaiso isn't a very good team this year. They have a record of 10-6 and are ranked 187th overall (out of 353) in the latest Haslametrics ratings.

Valparaiso sports an offensive attack that is mediocre at best. Rated at #204 in offensive efficiency, they score about 100 points every 100 possessions vs. AO. Valparaiso is not one of the better teams at drawing fouls and getting to the free throw line. With a free throw attempt rate of just 22.87 vs. AO, they are 283rd in the overall rankings for that category.

Valparaiso doesn't rate much better on defense than they do on offense. Allowing roughly 104 points for every 100 trips upcourt vs. AO, they are ranked #194 in the nation in defensive efficiency. Valparaiso struggles on occasion to deny opponents opportunities to shoot from the floor. The team is ranked 311th in the nation in defensive field goal attempt rate with a rating of 87.13 vs. AO. If Valparaiso does have a bright spot on defense, it would have to be their success preventing opponents from getting to the free throw line. The team has a defensive free throw attempt rate of 21.25 vs. AO, which ranks 33rd-best in the country."

This analysis is computer generated and based solely on data and metrics.

Wonder what the computer would say when only looking at the last four game?
Season Results: CBI/CIT: 2008, 2011, 2014  NIT: 2003,2012, 2016(Championship Game) 2017   NCAA: 1962,1966,1967,1969,1973,1996,1997,1998 (Sweet Sixteen),1999, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2013 and 2015

VUGrad1314

Right. I think the season can rightly be divided into two parts: Pre PNW and post PNW. I bet the post PNW numbers are much better on both ends but especially on defense.

Valpower

Quote from: vu72 on January 10, 2019, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on January 10, 2019, 09:26:46 AM
Haslametrics Rankings and analysis of Valpo:

http://www.haslametrics.com/ratings2.php?yr=&tid=5371

"ANALYSIS: Regardless of what the win percentage says, Valparaiso isn't a very good team this year. They have a record of 10-6 and are ranked 187th overall (out of 353) in the latest Haslametrics ratings.

Valparaiso sports an offensive attack that is mediocre at best. Rated at #204 in offensive efficiency, they score about 100 points every 100 possessions vs. AO. Valparaiso is not one of the better teams at drawing fouls and getting to the free throw line. With a free throw attempt rate of just 22.87 vs. AO, they are 283rd in the overall rankings for that category.

Valparaiso doesn't rate much better on defense than they do on offense. Allowing roughly 104 points for every 100 trips upcourt vs. AO, they are ranked #194 in the nation in defensive efficiency. Valparaiso struggles on occasion to deny opponents opportunities to shoot from the floor. The team is ranked 311th in the nation in defensive field goal attempt rate with a rating of 87.13 vs. AO. If Valparaiso does have a bright spot on defense, it would have to be their success preventing opponents from getting to the free throw line. The team has a defensive free throw attempt rate of 21.25 vs. AO, which ranks 33rd-best in the country."

This analysis is computer generated and based solely on data and metrics.

Wonder what the computer would say when only looking at the last four game?

Any statistical evaluation that doesn't measure trend probably isn't good at ranking current strength or predicting performance.  Also, those on the MVC board who keep denouncing the MVC as "weak" or having a down year because of the overall OOC record are also flawed.  It assumes that no collective improvement in play is possible.  Interesting stats, but silly conclusions.

valpo84

Not sure why one would use something named Haslam to validate anything. :crazy:

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